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Because it’s a great deal and there will presumably be at least a few teams interested in him. If he’s the missing piece (Packers, Colts, Texans) then you need to get him and shouldn’t be overly concerned with low balling the Steelers. If only 1 team is interested then sure, use whatever leverage you have but I don’t think that will be the case.
Teams out bidding each other is their only chance of getting a 1st round pick IMO.
I am not sure that Antonio Brown ever publicly demanded a trade but that that's a minor point. You may be right that no one will give up a 1st round pick but AB isn't your average 31 year old player. He is in great shape, and in top form, coming off a 15 TD season and at a very reasonable cost for the next 3 years. If you can deal with his antics he's probably worth it
It's actually never really been that old for a top end wr. It's not even too high an age for a WR to switch teams and still have success. Randy Moss, TO, Rice, Galloway, Derrick Mason, and Boldin all went to new teams after age 30 and had multiple years of success.
I don't see it that way. Golden Tate is not half the player AB is and he got a third for a half season rental. Cooper also not nearly as good as AB and he what at the time looked like possible premium first and he's only contractually signed for one more year and more expensive then AB.
Tate and Cooper didn't cancer themselves off their current team and quit on their teammates.
Might want to check on some of those Cooper stories getting floated out about him when that trade went down. Besides fact unlike AB there was a debate if he was even that good but reports came out that he was out of shape, had no passion for the game, did not like football. Those accusations are as bad as anything AB has been accused of IMO but I'm someone who views not willing to put in hard work as the worst kind of teammate. (Also think those accusations were bunk on Cooper, just saying that's the stories that were out there)
He didn't practice all week, he didn't show up to the walk through on SAT, he didn't return calls from the Steelers all week so by any measure he didn't do enough to play on Sunday. The fact that he showed up assuming he would play is irrelevant since he didn't put enough work in during the week. "He didn't quit" is semantics because he screwed over his teammates and the Steelers by his actions during the week. It doesn't diminish his actions at all because you think he didn't "quit".
I really want to be done with this but one more.
Maybe if you define quitting instead of simply saying AB didn't quit it would help me understand your POV. Also, it seems like you are trying to diminish ABs actions because he didn't meet your definition of quitting. You've said (paraphrasing) - ABs actions were bad, but he didn't quit - I say that's semantics because his actions were just about as bad as you can get during the week of a must-win game. The Steelers where right to bench him, and his actions during that week should give pause to any team considering him in a trade. He couldn't even be bothered to return calls from anyone in the Steelers organization.
If you think AB was any less prepared to play then TY because he missed two days of practice and team meeting we will have to respectfully agree to disagree.
I agree that he has been a phenomenal player. But I also think his recent antics make it difficult to make the first class pro claim.
Because there is a correlation with productivity? Maybe Connor wouldn't have seen many touches with Bell on the field. Maybe Bell would have pulled an AB if Connor got too much attention. Either way you roll it, Pittsburgh could roll with Connor and use the cap money somewhere else.
Everyone knows the list of things AB did during week 17, those aren't up for debate and I think his actions have been accurately portrayed. We both agree the Steelers punishment was correct, but you balk at the term "quit". I'm just trying to understand that aspect of it.
What is your definition of quitting? If someone meets that definition of quitting (not necessarily AB, any player in general) , what should a team do about it?
Again, just using the numbers to illustrate his productivity. As good a player as Bell is, he didn't want to be there. So you have to move on and its "next man up".
Ok.
They got a dictionary for that but if AB was healthy and failed to make himself available to play I'd have labeled him a quitter. If he was active but did not like way he was being used and refused to enter the game I'd have labeled him a quitter. As is I label him as someone who let his team down with his selfish actions.. In real world terms he got fired for week 17, he did not quit.
Yes, 100% this is how it works, but don't forget about the future bonuses, those will count when paid. He's due a roster bonus in March, so if he's traded before that's paid the new team will be responsible for that and his cap number will be $15.1M. If PIT doesn't trade him before that, they'll eat that too.
You're ignoring having them both in the field and you're also ignoring how they performed when Connor got hurt. If they had them both they would have had at least on one when Connor went down. Wins and losses have nothing to do with fantasy replacement points.
But the FF numbers don’t always translate to real football value.
Like I said, Bell didn't want to be there, at least not at a price the Steelers wanted to pay. Connor was a reasonable replacement; possibly an excellent one when you factor in salary and what that could mean at other positions. He wasn't the reason they missed the play-offs.
Again, was he?
I would welcome him to the Lions so that he gets the top CB and Stafford ignores him while he throws repeatedly to my guy Golladay. Of course by week 3 he will be going full blown nuts on the sidelines in Stafford's face when they lose and he gets 3 targets.matuski said:
DropKick said:
Because it’s a FF message board, and people are conflating FF value & real NFL value.
it's not really a joke, rather educating people that its "I couldnt care less". pet peeve of mine as well as people who call it a "mute point"
How do you know Bell isn't out in week one with a strained ego?
Week 14. Steelers vs. Raiders. James. Connor is out. Steelers rush for 32 total yards. Lose by 3 points. You don't think Bell helps them win that game? You don't think Connor has a shot of being healthy if they also had Bell all year? They missed the playoffs by half of a game. Half. Steelers aren't half a game better with Bell? You're crazy, dude.
Obviously Bell would have helped but it was the two 4th quarter TD drives the defense gave up that really cost them the game
) Bronco's would make some sense, traded away DT, Sanders with a torn Achilles and probably done, Sutton struggled once Sanders went down and could use some seasoning. Bronco's have a nice chunk of cap space and a high 2nd round pick to trade. Bronco's aren't currently contenders and they don't play each other in 2019 like the Colts. IIRC, Sanders had some pretty negative things to say about Big Ben once he left the Steelers, Brown may be attracted to that.
