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1 minute ago, dahabi said:

So Tyrell Williams obviously...but does anyone else get a bump fantasy wise?

Waller for sure. 

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3 minutes ago, trader jake said:

If the Raiders don't move on from Brown that would say more about them than AB.  He keeps saying he doesn't need football, and it seems like he'll be without it soon enough.

This is awesome

You're fined

"screw you, I will punch you in the face, fine me for that"

you're suspended

(tearfully) "I'm so sorry"

not buying it, were taking back guarantees

"release me, I never want to play for you, I'll go play for someone else"

Nah, we will keep you for now

"fine, I dont need football anyways" 

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As an aside, how the heck is money "guaranteed" if it can be voided by the team that has to pay it laying down a suspension that they only have to give very vague reasons for?

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From PFT:

 The Raiders eventually may be able to put Brown on the reserve/left squad list, if he leaves the team and refuses return after receiving the so-called “five-day letter.” If that happens, Brown gets shut down for the season, and he can’t go play for another team.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/09/07/raiders-can-cut-antonio-brown-and-keep-him-from-playing-for-someone-else/

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What else is there? Renfroe? JJ Nelson? If you have a deep bench they may be worth a flyer. They have a pretty bad defense and should be plenty of garbage time. 

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16 minutes ago, Hairy Snowman said:

Neither of those teams are going to bring in AB.  

After this?  Maybe Seattle.  Maybe NE.  And that is the end of the line IMO.  What coach can handle that?  Tomlin looks like a champ now.  I never had so much respect for Gruden in how he handled this.  

And no one is going to guarantee significant money to AB anymore.  That money ride is over. 

I almost added NE because Belichick could handle him. But I think that would require a frank and mature discussion and nonguaranteed contract. Not sure AB could handle either currently. 

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1 minute ago, Man In The Box said:

What else is there? Renfroe? JJ Nelson? If you have a deep bench they may be worth a flyer. They have a pretty bad defense and should be plenty of garbage time. 

JJ Nelson is my guess.  Refroe in the slot. 

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21 minutes ago, Man In The Box said:

Gordon might be the most overrated football player ever. 

In 1989, Tony Mandarich was drafted AHEAD OF Barry Sanders, Derrick Thomas and Deion Sanders.  Mandarich was a monumental bust.  He has to be one of the most overrated football players ever. 

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10 minutes ago, GroveDiesel said:

I’m not buying it. He’d need to shut up & play football. 

 And he’s incapable of that. 

He perceives himself as some sort of victim in this. 

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Just now, kc homer said:

In 1989, Tony Mandarich was drafted AHEAD OF Barry Sanders, Derrick Thomas and Deion Sanders.  Mandarich was a monumental bust.  He has to be one of the most overrated football players ever. 

Yeah - roids had a bit to do with it but what a bust 

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Ok I’ll ask: What’s his current fantasy trade value in keeper / redraft?

He’s clearly a huge risk but there is obvious upside if / when he gets on the field. 

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At least Mandarich played for awhile, as did Gordon.  Go look up the Ryan Leaf saga.

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Just now, Jayded said:

Ok I’ll ask: What’s his current fantasy trade value in keeper / redraft?

He’s clearly a huge risk but there is obvious upside if / when he gets on the field. 

about the same a d'onta foreman 

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What a crazy fall from fantasy football grace. This guy needs some psychological help 

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First off, applause to the Raiders for putting the team and the tone they're trying to set above coddling their best player.  I thought that wasn't possible in today's NFL.  Second, it's unimaginable how much money he's cost himself.

 

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"The Raiders eventually may be able to put Brown on the reserve/left squad list, if he leaves the team and refuses return after receiving the so-called “five-day letter.” If that happens, Brown gets shut down for the season, and he can’t go play for another team."

 

Where is Rosenhaus here? Why isn't people telling AB look, you are getting yourself in SO deep you will lose everything if you don't shut your mouth, play the game and honor the contract in some way ?

Or ... AB is so selfish and diva nobody can tell him anything? I think this is it ... and in 5 years, AB will be broke if not sooner and I don't know that an NFL team will have him right now even 

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2 minutes ago, Jayded said:

Ok I’ll ask: What’s his current fantasy trade value in keeper / redraft?

He’s clearly a huge risk but there is obvious upside if / when he gets on the field. 

In a 12 team league in don't think you'd get anything for him even if the other 11 guys were all Antonio Brown.

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If he is released, it seems that he will be owed nothing. BUT, will he still owe the Raiders the fines? Can be in the minus?

I think his career is over. I really don't think anyone would be willing to take a chance on him. He's not worth the circus and chaos he would bring to a team.

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1 minute ago, Stealthycat said:

"The Raiders eventually may be able to put Brown on the reserve/left squad list, if he leaves the team and refuses return after receiving the so-called “five-day letter.” If that happens, Brown gets shut down for the season, and he can’t go play for another team."

 

Where is Rosenhaus here? Why isn't people telling AB look, you are getting yourself in SO deep you will lose everything if you don't shut your mouth, play the game and honor the contract in some way ?

Or ... AB is so selfish and diva nobody can tell him anything? I think this is it ... and in 5 years, AB will be broke if not sooner and I don't know that an NFL team will have him right now even 

Rosenhaus is a mediator. He also has other clients he has to manage. I think teams honestly like the guy. He’s not going to burn down those bridges for one idiot.

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Just now, Stealthycat said:

"The Raiders eventually may be able to put Brown on the reserve/left squad list, if he leaves the team and refuses return after receiving the so-called “five-day letter.” If that happens, Brown gets shut down for the season, and he can’t go play for another team."

 

Where is Rosenhaus here? Why isn't people telling AB look, you are getting yourself in SO deep you will lose everything if you don't shut your mouth, play the game and honor the contract in some way ?

Or ... AB is so selfish and diva nobody can tell him anything? I think this is it ... and in 5 years, AB will be broke if not sooner and I don't know that an NFL team will have him right now even 

No agent can babysit a player in season.  This isn't on DR. 

This is all on AB.  

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1 minute ago, Stealthycat said:

"The Raiders eventually may be able to put Brown on the reserve/left squad list, if he leaves the team and refuses return after receiving the so-called “five-day letter.” If that happens, Brown gets shut down for the season, and he can’t go play for another team."

 

Where is Rosenhaus here? Why isn't people telling AB look, you are getting yourself in SO deep you will lose everything if you don't shut your mouth, play the game and honor the contract in some way ?

Or ... AB is so selfish and diva nobody can tell him anything? I think this is it ... and in 5 years, AB will be broke if not sooner and I don't know that an NFL team will have him right now even 

I can guarantee that he’s been told many times the ramifications of not shutting up and playing. He doesn’t care or is incapable of controlling himself.

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26 minutes ago, Enderdog said:

There's no way the Raiders should let Brown back on the property.  He's a faux injury waiting to happen.

This too, or an altercation.

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People saying he has no value. It's almost like they never opened the Tyreek Hill thread. 

"But this time it's different!"

Buy when there is blood in the streets. I offered a late first before this latest round of noise and will keep it on the table.

He'll be putting up WR1 numbers somewhere the next 2-3 years. 

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11 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:
22 minutes ago, joffer said:

Christine Michael

Onterrio “steak of the draft” Smith would like a word. 

I like the typo. ;)

But Smith was a 4th round pick who ended up making the All Rookie team and averaged 4.9 YPC. I don't think he was overrated; he was just another stupid kid who couldn't figure out how to stay clean long enough to get a pension.

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Just now, tombonneau said:

People saying he has no value. It's almost like they never opened the Tyreek Hill thread. 

"But this time it's different!"

Buy when there is blood in the streets. I offered a late first before this latest round of noise and will keep it on the table.

He'll be putting up WR1 numbers somewhere the next 2-3 years. 

Hill isn't a locker room cancer. Apparently, AB is. 

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1 minute ago, Hairy Snowman said:

No agent can babysit a player in season.  This isn't on DR. 

This is all on AB.  

True, but if I had that much at stake with a client, I assign an intern to do exactly that, babysit him, and I don't allow AB to say a word without it being first screened.  

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4 minutes ago, LBH said:

What a crazy fall from fantasy football grace. This guy needs some psychological help 

He may be doing this in a way. It’s possible he really doesn’t want to play football again. And maybe this is what he needs.

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3 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

In a 12 team league in don't think you'd get anything for him even if the other 11 guys were all Antonio Brown.

I’m playing against his owner in week 1. The guy is clearly fed up with Antonio. My WR situation is good but not great. 

Was mostly curious as I’m tempted to toss out something and see if he bites. If AB plays then all the better. If I give him something ehh and I’m wrong, oh well. That’s why I was curious what others might take now. 

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I went against my better judgement and took Brown in the second round.   :wall: Big Ben and Tomlin are looking pretty good right now as they were never the problem.  

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Just now, kc homer said:

True, but if I had that much at stake with a client, I assign an intern to do exactly that, babysit him, and I don't allow AB to say a word without it being first screened.  

“Oh yeah Drew seems like you’re trying to HOLD THE BLACK MAN DOWN. You’re fired”

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1 minute ago, Jayded said:

I’m playing against his owner in week 1. The guy is clearly fed up with Antonio. My WR situation is good but not great. 

Was mostly curious as I’m tempted to toss out something and see if he bites. If AB plays then all the better. If I give him something ehh and I’m wrong, oh well. That’s why I was curious what others might take now. 

In dynasty I'd take a bag of frozen broccoli. And I think that stuff comes directly from the devil.

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19 minutes ago, Iceman03 said:

Man... don’t #### with Mike Mayock

That headline slash url is BS. 

They can not cut him AND keep him from playing for somebody else. 

They can send him the 5 day letter, but if he shows up they have to pay him or cut him. 

Typical PFT 

 

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2 hours ago, TheDirtyWord said:

This thread just celebrated its 9th birthday.  41% of it covers his time with the Raiders.

44%

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I don’t think he wants to play anymore and this is his out. 

Or he’s just crazy and doesn’t care about the money and sees himself the victim and will put his perceived principles above money etc. 

 

Either way, he’s done. 

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2 minutes ago, Hairy Snowman said:

Hill isn't a locker room cancer. Apparently, AB is. 

So was TO. At age 32 the cancer shot his way out of the Philly locker room, called out his QB constantly, fights in locker room, etc and was suspended for conduct detrimental to the team. If there was Twitter back then I'm sure it was filled with "No one will sign the head case" etc. 

He was released the next year and went on to have three WR 1 seasons with Dallas averaging like 13 TDs. 

Talent >>>>>> Drama

Always has always will. 

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