Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
This guy, AB is a ##### bag of the tallest order. Get this dude off the field!! My god!! And I have him in a few leagues. This guy doesn’t deserve the NFL nor any of the money/power that comes with it. What a POS.
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The texts are available for consumption on-line. They are not intimidating or threatening to any reasonable person.
tackle for loss
Footballguy
Put me in the camp that this guy has to be on the exempt list.
This is the exact thing it is for.
The NFL set this precedent, they need to live by it of holding people to the standard the injected into certain cases for all.
From Zeke to Gordon.
This is the exact thing it is for.
The NFL set this precedent, they need to live by it of holding people to the standard the injected into certain cases for all.
From Zeke to Gordon.
tackle for loss
Footballguy
Now read it pretending you are a woman who is suing him and was raped by him (allegedly).
They can be considered intimidating. What one person can say to one may not be intimidating to another.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Dizzy
Footballguy
I honestly don't know if the police were contacted or not? How could I?
By your message it sounds like you know for a fact that this is the case.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
NJ
Footballguy
There was no direct physical threat and its probably open to interpretation on an individual level what one would consider to be intimidating, but I would think at a minimum any reasonable person would consider these to be harassment. He's certainly not making contact with her to have a friendly chat about the situation and any time you bring someone's kids into it that's going to escalate the situation.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
brewer
Footballguy
Sending a photo of anyone's kids in any manner other than, these are excellent kids, is completely unacceptable.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
It’s the posting of pictures of her kids that throws it over the top for me. Any time that happens, you are bordering on intimidation at minimum imo.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
On a slightly different note...I wanted to relay observations of the quick press conference he had.
-I'm not sure how many questions he answered, I only saw one or two, but I saw/heard that New England has really good handlers just off of where the media was surrounding him..."Last question" as it was caught on the microphones and Brown looked like he was reading a script. AB is proof almost anyone can follow the Patriots rules but they seem to have a built in system of people that orchestrate the social media, print media, TV media, they can take rotten stories that would derail other franchises and they just move forward.
I agree with all posters who are advocating Brown be put on Commish list. I think even a few weeks there will send a loud and clear message to the rest of the players...that alone will make Goodell follow thru because if he doesn't this thing could snowball with other players on other teams.
-He must protect the SHIELD
-I'm not sure how many questions he answered, I only saw one or two, but I saw/heard that New England has really good handlers just off of where the media was surrounding him..."Last question" as it was caught on the microphones and Brown looked like he was reading a script. AB is proof almost anyone can follow the Patriots rules but they seem to have a built in system of people that orchestrate the social media, print media, TV media, they can take rotten stories that would derail other franchises and they just move forward.
I agree with all posters who are advocating Brown be put on Commish list. I think even a few weeks there will send a loud and clear message to the rest of the players...that alone will make Goodell follow thru because if he doesn't this thing could snowball with other players on other teams.
-He must protect the SHIELD
Doug B
Footballguy
It's the "I'm not touching you ... I'm not touching you!" of intimidation -- Brown's words in the text just barely staying on the right side of the line so that any intimidation has to be inferred and he can claim deniability of intent.
Doug B
Footballguy
One Captain-Obvious thing that your post reminds of:
There is a significant contingent of the national sports media that believes it's effed up, improper, and incorrect that Antonio Brown has an NFL job right now. But they're not content to merely heap dung on Brown from afar -- they want to effect change through their own actions as media. Whether it's finding that one smoking gun, or else finding a bunch more of smaller "mini-offenses" to throw on the bonfire ... they want him gone and will happily make themselves part of the news to make it happen.
To wit: Where was Klemko's SI article in, say, July?
matuski
Footballguy
Grown men raging on social media and message boards at the NFL's reality TV efforts.
Like my wife yelling at the TV when a Housewife of Portland gets into a fake fight with that Housewife of Memphis.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
AB sent what he sent to his attorney. Dumb move but pretty sure he was not threatening her if he CC'd his attorney about his concerns.
Are his comments "Threatening"? "Menacing"? "Intimidating"? "Harassing?" With the intent to scare her? Those are words the media has put in the headlines. Another case AB using poor judgment, acting stupidly, and ill-advised. But criminal?
To me it sounds like he is concerned that another woman is fabricating a story about him as a potential candidate to demand money. He included pictures of her kids to illustrate that she is broke and needs money. I don't read any threats in what he sent, but others may view it differently. But people will see the headline that he THREATENED her so that's the perception people will have.
The woman and her attorney went right to the NFL . . . and by extension right to the media. So another potential instance of avoiding law enforcement or trying things in a court. But they know they will get AB convicted in a court of popular opinion.
I would expect there will be more and more layered on this and more is destined to come out. That he cheated on a test in school. That he was handsy with a woman on a date back in high school. That he was drunk in a bar in Michigan and called someone inappropriate names 10 years ago. That he walked out and didn't pay at a restaurant.
Not trying to defend AB as a person. I would never do the things that he's done and his actions are deplorable. But if anyone of us had 500 reporters ratcheting up and digging into our personal lives and trying to gain access to our entire life history, what could people find? Who knows what any of us have from our past . . . texts, emails, pictures, videos, lawsuits, jilted exes, late payments, heated exchanges with someone in a public place, people with axes to grind, etc.
Probably the best thing that could happen for all parties involved is if RG gave AB a very vague and ambiguous SUSPENSION for a few games for conduct unbecoming and made all of this go away. IMO, the exempt list is WAY WORSE than a suspension, as a player can sit on the exempt list for months if not an entire season and then STILL get suspended. If worded correctly, it would not be for any specific allegation so not to validate any one incident. If it happened immediately, the Patriots could live with it as they have a cupcake schedule until November. The accusers and those affected by Brown would feel somewhat vindicated. Brown avoids a lengthy trip to the exempt list and a longer suspension. That's a partial win for everyone.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
As an extension to this (the media part), it has been reported that the league won't act until there is some sort of criminal investigation or the possibility of criminal charges. So the media (who doesn't think he should be playing) has been trying extra hard to dig up more dirt on AB (still not criminal in nature) and open things up to anything and anything to make him look even worse. Apparently their hope is by coming up with 1,000 plastic spoons that added together that will somehow translate into a single steak knife and have that serve as a deadly weapon.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
If it weren’t for the pics of the kids I’d agree. Not sure what including them had to do with his point other than I know who your kids are. Cause they were wearing Carters clothes instead of Hanna Anderson, they’re poor? Dunno. Also the text about knowing where she’s going to be this weekend and asking ahead of time if anyone at the rally knows her can be seen as intimidating imo. Some crazy people in this world.
HULLOBUDMAN
Footballguy
bostonfred
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HULLOBUDMAN
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
He included her on a group chat asking other people to dig up information on her. It’s clearly an attempt to intimidate her.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
You lost me here.
He sent intimidating text messages to a woman who claimed he sexually assaulted her & included pictures of her children.
Thats....not good.
On another note, how powerful is Nike? I mean, they dropped him yesterday before this news broke. Makes you wonder if a little bird told them this was coming before the public/media knew.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
The existence of the text group identifying her to people she doesn’t know while she reads the chat alone is intimidating.
ffjunk
Footballguy
When Henry Ford talks, I listen. I think intimidation is how the recipient feels about it, not how the sender feels. He's just dumb to do it. I think his career is coming to an abrupt end.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
I don’t know if his career will be okay or not, but if he had been my client this morning he wouldn’t be this afternoon.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
God, I hope AB ends up broke post NFL
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Probably her lawyer did. If she were my client I would send it to the media, and I hate litigating in the media.
This is potentially a safety issue. Every person on that chain needs to know everyone is aware of the text chain and to lay off. Completely.
If the NFL did, I can think of no other reason than to justify an upcoming suspension.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Dizzy
Footballguy
Exactly. I'm not sure why that's hard for some to grasp.
Trying to step into her shoes... she receives a group message from the person she pointed a finger at... he posts pictures of her children, asking one of his "investigators" (???) to look into her, he responds with "send me her info bro"...
Yes, pretty obvious to see why she (right-fully so) did not take this lightly given recent actions of the person behind the message and the resources available to him (not to mention the unconditional love he receives for being an NFL superstar creating a Teflon Don persona).
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Not trying to be a tool here, but is it just the picture that is gnawing at you?
Aren't the picture(s) he included posted on social media (ie anyone can view them)?
Would including a link instead have also been considered inappropriate?
ffjunk
Footballguy
When you think you are bigger than the game itself, it's a huge mistake. He's made the worst decisions for himself over and over again.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Thanks. I’m on a lot of painkillers. Probably keeps me objective by keeping me from actually caring or overthinking.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
brewer
Footballguy
What is the point of including the kids photo? No, using a link to a photo of anyone's kids is also not ok. Just don't include kids in matters of adults.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Also, if you and I got in an ifight on here and I started exactly this text chain as a kind of thread, posting pictures of your kids and talking smack about you while I did, I hope you’d tell Joe or David and probably the police. It wouldn’t be an overreaction.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
his attorney flat out said "you'll notice i didnt reply/respond" to the group chat
man wants out
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Soulfly3
Footballguy
The Frankman
Footballguy
holy ####
https://twitter.com/RobertKlemko/status/1174912990333685760
I'm sorry not enough facepalms for this.
https://twitter.com/RobertKlemko/status/1174912990333685760
I'm sorry not enough facepalms for this.
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
The woman in question is the one who said he approached her in his house wearing a wash cloth to cover himself. She never alleged he assaulted her, she never said he touched her, and from what I remember, her commentary was that she described the encounter as inappropriate and making her feel uncomfortable. But the public has the perception that this is a second woman that he sexually assaulted. Read what he sent her. Some people will conclude it was threatening or intimidating . . . others may not.You lost me here.
He sent intimidating text messages to a woman who claimed he sexually assaulted her & included pictures of her children.
Thats....not good.
On another note, how powerful is Nike? I mean, they dropped him yesterday before this news broke. Makes you wonder if a little bird told them this was coming before the public/media knew.
As for Brown, the Nike stuff was hashed out yesterday in the local media. They deduced that Brown was not a big revenue producer for them so keeping him on wasn't much of a loss. Had he been bringing them in millions of dollars, they may have opted to stand by him. It sounds like he had issues in making public appearances and keeping to the schedule of what they wanted him to do, and that also was a factor. It sounds like they used him more for overseas events and he wasn't really much of a draw in the US.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I always wonder about people who say things like this. If somebody went digging through my background looking for dirt, they would find a handful of speeding tickets, a parking ticket from the University of Arizona that I deliberately ignored (UA police: If you're reading this, get bent), and an uncharacteristically bad performance on a differential equations final in my senior year. Nothing interesting, and definitely no track record of sexual assault.
