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Anybody still rostering Mr. Big Chest in dynasty? 

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36 minutes ago, pghrob said:

Anybody still rostering Mr. Big Chest in dynasty? 

I would if I could stomach him.  But he someone that just leaves a bad enough taste in my mouth that I wouldn't roster him even if he were a free gift.

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Dropped him for a backup TE last week.

 

Edit: Not dynasty.

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On 9/30/2019 at 8:22 PM, nightmare said:

Patriots are going to use the incident of A Brown releasing the pictures of the Women's kids on Twitter(?)
as the reason for the release. He's not getting paid another dime. 

Teams can't just take money away.  They have a process to follow in order to void out guarantees including notifying the player and the NFLPA in writing as to what caused the voiding - that's the part that Oakland did do that sent AB over the edge with them.  NEP didn't follow those processes, they just cut him.  I said this a dozen pages or so ago, he's gonna get that money.

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15 minutes ago, Hankmoody said:

Teams can't just take money away.  They have a process to follow in order to void out guarantees including notifying the player and the NFLPA in writing as to what caused the voiding - that's the part that Oakland did do that sent AB over the edge with them.  NEP didn't follow those processes, they just cut him.  I said this a dozen pages or so ago, he's gonna get that money.

Kraft strikes me as the type that would spend $20 million out of spite to fight giving Brown $10 million. It wouldn’t shock me if this ended up in court. 

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8 hours ago, mbuehner said:

Billionaire owes multi millionaire some money. Who cares? 

Given the volume of posts in the thread, lots of people.

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8 hours ago, Anarchy99 said:

Kraft strikes me as the type that would spend $20 million out of spite to fight giving Brown $10 million. It wouldn’t shock me if this ended up in court. 

Seems like a sound business model.

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9 hours ago, Anarchy99 said:

Kraft strikes me as the type that would spend $20 million out of spite to fight giving Brown $10 million. It wouldn’t shock me if this ended up in court. 

And the court will say, "go read the CBA and do whatever it says".

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11 hours ago, huthut said:

Dropped him for a backup TE last week.

 

Edit: Not dynasty.

Same....dropped him for Herndon last week.  OJ is looking not good.

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12 hours ago, pghrob said:

Anybody still rostering Mr. Big Chest in dynasty? 

I am.  Sent out a few offers to see what I could get (future 2nd or 3rd round rookie pick type stuff), no deals.  So I'll hold and see what happens. 

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1 hour ago, davearm said:
11 hours ago, Anarchy99 said:

Kraft strikes me as the type that would spend $20 million out of spite to fight giving Brown $10 million. It wouldn’t shock me if this ended up in court. 

And the court will say, "go read the CBA and do whatever it says".

:shrug:

Might be worth it to Kraft to make AB wait 18 months for that money.

True hardball: What are the penalties if the Patriots simply default on the bonus money? Even in the face of a court order? Does the State of Massachusetts sieze team property, put a lien on something, take a rake off of gate receipts?

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59 minutes ago, Doug B said:

:shrug:

Might be worth it to Kraft to make AB wait 18 months for that money.

True hardball: What are the penalties if the Patriots simply default on the bonus money? Even in the face of a court order? Does the State of Massachusetts sieze team property, put a lien on something, take a rake off of gate receipts?

I suspect that components of the NE vs. AB situation are not spelled out chapter and verse in the CBA, and NE added atypical language to his contract that will also be subject to interpretation. That's why I suggested that NE could fight it. So sure, in more typical situations the CBA may spell out a standard process, but there have been many other quirky player issues that have come up over the years where the outcomes haven't been cut and dry.

We also don't know what other things have gone on behind the scenes. Someone earlier mentioned that the CBA requires written notice before a team can attempt to withhold bonus or guaranteed money. At this point, we don't know what NE did and when. They could have notified Rosenhaus and then released him ten minutes later. It hasn't come out either way what happened.

We also don't know what dialogue and discussions went on between NE and the league. Maybe there was some talk of how things would play out if NE played the role of good soldier and released Brown (against the desire of BB). The league wanted the AB situation to go away and the best way for that to happen was if NE released him. Now the NFL is saying they are in no rush to move the investigation along, so they essentially are getting what they wanted all along . . . Brown not playing and not getting paid with no team likely to sign him based on a threat of a lengthy stint on the exempt list. Who knows if the league indicated to the Patriots that they will be lenient in a grievance for doing the league a solid in cutting Brown.

Even if that were not the case, at this point, there are no penalties to NE for not paying Brown. They won't have to pay him any additional money other than the amount specified in the contract, as they are not even being charged interest by withholding the money. The league can also work on their investigation and come up with a plan on how best to discipline him. If they end up taking action, NE could argue that that was the likely outcome once he sent the harassing / threatening / menacing texts to the painter. The Patriots will argue he was on the outs after that, they confirmed he was the one that sent the texts, and they cut him immediately. I am also sure they will argue that the league indicated their investigation was leaning toward that outcome, which is why NE released him. (I'm not saying that will hold up, but they will likely argue that way.)

As for what potentially could happen to the Patriots in a legal battle, I don't think there would be much done to compel them to pay Brown until all of the team's appeals were exhausted . . . that includes through arbitration and the court system (which could take years). Just like Kraft has done in Florida, they could make it an extended, long-term, drawn out battle that Brown may not be able to go all 15 rounds, especially if he is not earning any money. Meanwhile, Brown would have to keep shelling out money for attorney's fees (which I do not believe NE would have to cover if they end up losing, although I am not 100% sure on that one.)

All that would happen to NE in the interim is that they would have to take a cap hit for the money in 2019 and the remainder of the cap hit for AB in 2020. Whatever they ultimately don't pay out, they can apply to have that amount added back as a salary cap credit. Maybe the Pats would just pay him the money at some point if a judgment doesn't go their way, but IMO they could try to drag it out.

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16 hours ago, pghrob said:

Anybody still rostering Mr. Big Chest in dynasty? 

100%. He will be welcomed on plenty of teams if the rape charges go away and he chills out. I'm not confident but he's a hold until next year. 

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15 hours ago, Phantom Knight said:

I would if I could stomach him.  But he someone that just leaves a bad enough taste in my mouth that I wouldn't roster him even if he were a free gift.

That makes no sense to me but to each their own.  He's on your magical football team (or he would be on mine if someone were to gift him to me), he's not living in your house.

Of course he's a hard hold in dynasty, no one should be cutting him or giving him away.

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10 minutes ago, mozzy84 said:

That makes no sense to me but to each their own.  He's on your magical football team (or he would be on mine if someone were to gift him to me), he's not living in your house.

Of course he's a hard hold in dynasty, no one should be cutting him or giving him away.

Was offered Pettis for him, I rejected.

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I cut Brown in dynasty 1.5 weeks ago, but it's a Keep 13 league, so can't "waste" a roster spot on many/any players.

That said, he was claimed for $300 FAAB by another owner at the next possible waiver claim, with 2 other lower offers.

I was also hampered by the fact that my team has MGordon, Guice, Hunt, Gallup and now Ross and Adams all dinged up and using way more roster spots than my 2 IR slots allowed. So that was definitely a contributing factor in me needing the space now to try to compete.

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6 minutes ago, joey said:

I cut Brown in dynasty 1.5 weeks ago, but it's a Keep 13 league, so can't "waste" a roster spot on many/any players.

That said, he was claimed for $300 FAAB by another owner at the next possible waiver claim, with 2 other lower offers.

I was also hampered by the fact that my team has MGordon, Guice, Hunt, Gallup and now Ross and Adams all dinged up and using way more roster spots than my 2 IR slots allowed. So that was definitely a contributing factor in me needing the space now to try to compete.

What's your record?

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6 minutes ago, Deamon said:

What's your record?

2-2 and in 6th place out of 12. I have Goff/Rodgers, Gurley/MBrown, BCooks...what was once a run-away-with-the-title team the past 2 years has turned into a bunch of studs with question marks, suspensions or injuries.  I also have rookies like Sanders, JJAW, DHenderson on my bench.

In retrospect, I could've/should've kept ABrown and dumped end-of-bench insurance like Mostert or Burkhead, but the need for heatlhy and active depth, plus the fact that I'm a Raiders fan who was burned "personally" by ABrown, I thought I'd just cut bait and let him be someone else's problem. If another owner gets a few games or a year of a stud WR, I guess that's on me.

 

(sorry for all the details on my roster but hopefully gives context to the types of real moves and decisions we are all faced with)

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5 minutes ago, joey said:

2-2 and in 6th place out of 12. I have Goff/Rodgers, Gurley/MBrown, BCooks...what was once a run-away-with-the-title team the past 2 years has turned into a bunch of studs with question marks, suspensions or injuries.  I also have rookies like Sanders, JJAW, DHenderson on my bench.

In retrospect, I could've/should've kept ABrown and dumped end-of-bench insurance like Mostert or Burkhead, but the need for heatlhy and active depth, plus the fact that I'm a Raiders fan who was burned "personally" by ABrown, I thought I'd just cut bait and let him be someone else's problem. If another owner gets a few games or a year of a stud WR, I guess that's on me.

 

(sorry for all the details on my roster but hopefully gives context to the types of real moves and decisions we are all faced with)

you would think someone would have traded something better than say rex burkhead for him (being that's what you basically did)?  If nothing else you could have traded him for 300 blind bidding dollars from the sounds of it.      I might have to send out some lowball offers and test this out.

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I cut him without any regrets. He's so far from playing anytime soon. No willing traders in my league. He'll be 31 or 32 if (big if) he does play soon and he's escalating his off putting behavior that eill get him suspended.  He takes up a roster spot that can be used to find the next diamond in the rough.  All of it was my clear sign that his run is over and it's time to move on. 

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24 minutes ago, mozzy84 said:

you would think someone would have traded something better than say rex burkhead for him (being that's what you basically did)?  If nothing else you could have traded him for 300 blind bidding dollars from the sounds of it.      I might have to send out some lowball offers and test this out.

didn't search for low ball offers. Probably should have. Not the most active league for trading, though not a barren wasteland. Definitely should have at least tried.

And this league can't trade FAAB $, so that was off the table. I was personally shocked someone spent $300/$1000 FAAB on his. (next best offer was $150, which is more in the realm of what I expected).

All that said...I probably should have kept him.

Also adding...stupid Rex Burkhead. What was I thinking ;)

Final word: I'm still glad he's on ZERO of my dynasty teams.

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AB @AB84

My English paper do by tonight 12am need a prof reader make sure As and Bs #Eng303

9:47 AM 2019-09-29

 

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Antonio Brown Translator @ABTranslatorr

Replying to AB @AB84

Translation: Someone do my work for me.

 

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Is a “prof reader” a professor to read his paper?  Or perhaps a professional reader (like, a guy who does audio books I guess)?

Or perhaps he just needs somebody to proofread his tweets.

(Tempted to offer my services and global-replace every letter with an A or a B.  That’s what he said he wanted, after all!

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9 hours ago, Arodin said:

Is a “prof reader” a professor to read his paper?  Or perhaps a professional reader (like, a guy who does audio books I guess)?

Or perhaps he just needs somebody to proofread his tweets.

(Tempted to offer my services and global-replace every letter with an A or a B.  That’s what he said he wanted, after all!

Interesting that someone taking an English course can't quite muster English but I took it to mean that he wanted his essay proof read before midnight to ensure it is an A or B level paper (grade wise).

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14 hours ago, Arodin said:

Is a “prof reader” a professor to read his paper?  Or perhaps a professional reader (like, a guy who does audio books I guess)?

Or perhaps he just needs somebody to proofread his tweets.

(Tempted to offer my services and global-replace every letter with an A or a B.  That’s what he said he wanted, after all!


Antonio Brown as Thornton Mellon?

"And another thing, Vonnegut -- I'm gonna stop payment on the check!"

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21 hours ago, Faust said:

I've seen 2 AB jersey's in games this year.  The first one had tape over the BR with CL on it to spell C-L-O-W-N.    When I was in San Fran for the 49ers game there was a guy with an AB jersey attached to a rope and was dragging it around inviting all fans (Steelers and Niners) to wipe their feet on it.  

So he isn't totally forgotten...

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1 hour ago, Gustavo Fring said:

how long until he kills himself at this point?

 

Dude.

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3 hours ago, Gustavo Fring said:

how long until he kills himself at this point?

 

Watch the $ flow. When the money flow dries up, its either that or enroll in the local prison system.

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On 10/2/2019 at 1:55 PM, mozzy84 said:

That makes no sense to me but to each their own.  He's on your magical football team (or he would be on mine if someone were to gift him to me), he's not living in your house.

Of course he's a hard hold in dynasty, no one should be cutting him or giving him away.

What makes me sufficiently bothered by someone to not want to be associated with them on my fantasy team does not have to make sense to you, now does it?

So I take it there is litereally NOTHING that would make you disown a player?

To you I would  reply that as, you yourself say, it is just a game and it is simply not important enough to me to win that friendly game to allow some folks to rent the least bit of space from me.

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In an Instagram video Wednesday, free agent Antonio Brown encouraged the Patriots to give him a call and re-sign him.

"The Patriots have to pay me," Brown said in reference to grievances filed last week against the team for unpaid signing bonus and guaranteed salary. "They may as well play me." Reports are Tom Brady wanted the Patriots to keep Brown, but owner Robert Kraft made the decision to pull the plug following rape and sexual assault accusations. This all comes two weeks after Brown tweeted he's done with the NFL. He obviously wants to come back, if someone will give him a chance. Nothing appears to be imminent.

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SOURCE: Profootballtalk on NBC Sports

Oct 9, 2019, 12:09 PM ET

 

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In three of my leagues AB was dropped and in all three he was picked up last week. All spent 10% FAAB on him. Is there something I don't know?

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He's going to come back eventually.  Some team is always dumb enough to risk their locker room with a guy like this.  I'm looking at you, Bruce Allen.  Jerry Jones probably can't resist forever either. 

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4 minutes ago, Mongidig said:

In three of my leagues AB was dropped and in all three he was picked up last week. All spent 10% FAAB on him. Is there something I don't know?

I doubt I'd roster the guy as of right now even if it didn't cost me anything. I think people are taking a shot in the dark with their last roster spot.

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6 minutes ago, Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:

I doubt I'd roster the guy as of right now even if it didn't cost me anything. I think people are taking a shot in the dark with their last roster spot.

I just don't get it in a redraft league. Given his legal issues/burning two teams already this year/probable exempt status etc. I suppose if your team is loaded and you can let him sit there then fine. I have a few loaded teams but I'd much prefer throwing darts at upside guy's, adding quality depth, or a Defense to stream with that roster spot. Even if he did come back how long would that last?

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3 hours ago, Faust said:

In an Instagram video Wednesday, free agent Antonio Brown encouraged the Patriots to give him a call and re-sign him.

"The Patriots have to pay me," Brown said in reference to grievances filed last week against the team for unpaid signing bonus and guaranteed salary. "They may as well play me." Reports are Tom Brady wanted the Patriots to keep Brown, but owner Robert Kraft made the decision to pull the plug following rape and sexual assault accusations.

Kraft isn't about to forget AB's tweet about Kraft getting "caught in the parlor"

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ESPN's Jeremy Fowler reports Antonio Brown "hopes to have his playing status cleared up" in the next few weeks.

Brown said he was done with the NFL last month but has since backed off that stance. He's been staying in shape in hopes of signing with another team. Brown is facing serious violations of the personal conduct policy, but it's not clear where the NFL is in its investigation. The odd are against Brown returning this year, but it's possible he gets a second chance when his league standing is resolved.

SOURCE: ESPN

Oct 12, 2019, 11:41 AM ET

 

If any team signs him, even my beloved Chargers, I hope their team implodes.  He is a locker room virus, and will only serve to infect others.  If he wants to remain in the spotlight, just marry a Kardashian. 

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2 hours ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

How does anyone sign him after those tweets about Kraft and Big Ben?

Or, you know, the bizarre sexual assault allegations...

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2 hours ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

How does anyone sign him after those tweets about Kraft and Big Ben?

Dont worry, his account was just hacked... 

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3 hours ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

How does anyone sign him after those tweets about Kraft and Big Ben?

These teams don’t care about this if he can help them win. They probably don’t care about the sexual assault either but fortunately the nfl will. 

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At this point it looks like he has real issues.  He was a pretty great everything for more than a few years.

The change was pretty damn huge - and I wonder at the timeline with the Burfict hit.  That was really bad when you think of head and brain rotation dynamics.

The people around him are likely telling him to get money when he should be getting help.

I'm OK with the NFL making mistakes removing these things from football.  There are plenty of non-head injuries to go around.

 

 

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39 minutes ago, infantsam said:

At this point it looks like he has real issues.  He was a pretty great everything for more than a few years.

The change was pretty damn huge - and I wonder at the timeline with the Burfict hit.  That was really bad when you think of head and brain rotation dynamics.

The people around him are likely telling him to get money when he should be getting help.

I'm OK with the NFL making mistakes removing these things from football.  There are plenty of non-head injuries to go around.

 

 

There is a pretty significant chance that he is just a huge jerk, slowly worsening over the years.  Who knows if he has a medical issue or is just an overconfident self important dickbag.

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