Foosball God 2,504 Posted February 13 If it is a 2019 draft pick I see them getting a high to mid range 3rd. If it is 2020 then I see them getting a 2nd. I can't see him fetching more than that, and that seems like best case scenario at this point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
need2know 5,125 Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Foosball God said: If it is a 2019 draft pick I see them getting a high to mid range 3rd. If it is 2020 then I see them getting a 2nd. I can't see him fetching more than that, and that seems like best case scenario at this point. i dont think they get that much Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brewer 202 Posted February 13 We know that there is some off the field risk, but he has consistently been the top performing WR for the past 5 years with no signs of slowing down physically. His salary cap hit to his new team will be in the $12M range next year. If I'm one of the teams who has a hard time attracting top talent via free agency, I offer a high second and don't think twice about it. All it takes is one and people seem to forget that the NFL draft is far from an exact science. You know what you are going to get with Antonio Brown(good and bad). 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mbuehner 552 Posted February 13 Im not sure if Brown or the Steelers ends up looking worse at the end of all this. Probably the Steelers given its their second star that is publicly demanding a ticket out of town. I heard an interesting story on ESPN radio this morning- said a former star player (unnamed) told the reporter he was offered a coaching job with the Steelers. When he asked about players skipping practices etc, Tomlin gave him the 'as long as they produce' line. The guy said thanks for the opportunity but no thanks. That franchise is a dumpster fire. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mbuehner 552 Posted February 13 8 minutes ago, brewer said: We know that there is some off the field risk, but he has consistently been the top performing WR for the past 5 years with no signs of slowing down physically. His salary cap hit to his new team will be in the $12M range next year. If I'm one of the teams who has a hard time attracting top talent via free agency, I offer a high second and don't think twice about it. All it takes is one and people seem to forget that the NFL draft is far from an exact science. You know what you are going to get with Antonio Brown(good and bad). The problem with that is unless you are willing to renegotiate his contract immediately, the Steelers headache just became your headache. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leroy Hoard 9,599 Posted February 13 14 minutes ago, brewer said: We know that there is some off the field risk, but he has consistently been the top performing WR for the past 5 years with no signs of slowing down physically. His salary cap hit to his new team will be in the $12M range next year. If I'm one of the teams who has a hard time attracting top talent via free agency, I offer a high second and don't think twice about it. All it takes is one and people seem to forget that the NFL draft is far from an exact science. You know what you are going to get with Antonio Brown(good and bad). When you consider what a crapshoot 2nd and 3rd rounders are this makes sense. Especially for a somewhat lesser team trying to move up and become relevant. A top team might not want the distraction. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 3,668 Posted February 13 49ers have much to consider in potential pursuit of Antonio Brown Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irish eyes 1,012 Posted February 13 16 minutes ago, mbuehner said: Im not sure if Brown or the Steelers ends up looking worse at the end of all this. Probably the Steelers given its their second star that is publicly demanding a ticket out of town. I heard an interesting story on ESPN radio this morning- said a former star player (unnamed) told the reporter he was offered a coaching job with the Steelers. When he asked about players skipping practices etc, Tomlin gave him the 'as long as they produce' line. The guy said thanks for the opportunity but no thanks. That franchise is a dumpster fire. And what will Brown do when his new coach actually makes him show up to practice on time, no special training camp housing, etc. Sh@@ show waiting to happen for whoever trades for him. IF anyone bothers that is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edgar 118 Posted February 13 99% chance AB’s new team will have to sweeten the pot on his 12M salary. That is why the Steelers will get a third, at best. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kittenmittens 1,028 Posted February 13 Sending a message to future players that acting like an unprofessional buffoon won't get you what you want seems to be worth a lot more to the Steelers than a 3rd round pick. Look at what they did with Le'Veon. Even if they give in to Brown, by now the perception is that they have already tarnished their general reputation with players (between this and the Bell situation), so they might as well stick to their guns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leeroy Jenkins 2,435 Posted February 13 2 hours ago, mbuehner said: Im not sure if Brown or the Steelers ends up looking worse at the end of all this. Probably the Steelers given its their second star that is publicly demanding a ticket out of town. I heard an interesting story on ESPN radio this morning- said a former star player (unnamed) told the reporter he was offered a coaching job with the Steelers. When he asked about players skipping practices etc, Tomlin gave him the 'as long as they produce' line. The guy said thanks for the opportunity but no thanks. That franchise is a dumpster fire. I think Bell still likes the Steelers and those players and fo are fond of him. He just wants wr money. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dizzy 696 Posted February 13 3 hours ago, mbuehner said: I heard an interesting story on ESPN radio this morning- said a former star player (unnamed) told the reporter he was offered a coaching job with the Steelers. When he asked about players skipping practices etc, Tomlin gave him the 'as long as they produce' line. The guy said thanks for the opportunity but no thanks. That franchise is a dumpster fire. Reminds of the time I interviewed at NASA... received an offer, quite nice, but asked the Director of the space program, "so what about these guys that take home office supplies?" He gave me the "as long as the shuttle makes it back in one piece" line. Of course I walked too. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anarchy99 4,120 Posted February 13 I can see PIT trading to TEAM X and that team flipping him to NE for way more than they gave up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edgar 118 Posted February 14 (edited) 5 hours ago, Anarchy99 said: I can see PIT trading to TEAM X and that team flipping him to NE for way more than they gave up. New England’s the last place he ends up. The Pats have been to 4 of the last 5 Superbowls on the back of humility and team-mindedness. Antonio Brown is the exact opposite of that. Edited February 14 by Edgar Wordiness Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anarchy99 4,120 Posted February 14 1 hour ago, Edgar said: New England’s the last place he ends up. The Pats have been to 4 of the last 5 Superbowls on the back of humility and team-mindedness. Antonio Brown is the exact opposite of that. The Patriots have only one WR signed for next year (Edelman) and have a history of taking on or bringing in divas, me first guys, or receivers with issues (Randy Moss, Chad Johnson, Josh Gordon, Donte Stallworth as examples). They certainly have shown they are not turned off at the prospect of taking on someone like AB. There really aren't any WR1's on the open market, their track record for drafting receivers is one step below terrible, and they probably wouldn't target someone like OBJ because his cap number would be too high. They definitely have a need for WR's. Not saying it's likely to happen, but I would bet there would be internal discussions as to whether they should consider it and what it would take to get him on the roster. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matuski 3,814 Posted February 14 8 hours ago, Edgar said: New England’s the last place he ends up. The Pats have been to 4 of the last 5 Superbowls on the back of humility and team-mindedness. Antonio Brown is the exact opposite of that. I don't think he ends up in NE either, but your argument's premise is pure myth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steeler 2,189 Posted February 14 15 hours ago, Anarchy99 said: I can see PIT trading to TEAM X and that team flipping him to NE for way more than they gave up. Now that is a scary thought because I would hate to see AB in NE with TB and BB, LOL. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyU 2,710 Posted February 14 8 hours ago, Anarchy99 said: The Patriots have only one WR signed for next year (Edelman) and have a history of taking on or bringing in divas, me first guys, or receivers with issues (Randy Moss, Chad Johnson, Josh Gordon, Donte Stallworth as examples). They certainly have shown they are not turned off at the prospect of taking on someone like AB. There really aren't any WR1's on the open market, their track record for drafting receivers is one step below terrible, and they probably wouldn't target someone like OBJ because his cap number would be too high. They definitely have a need for WR's. Not saying it's likely to happen, but I would bet there would be internal discussions as to whether they should consider it and what it would take to get him on the roster. I sure hope teams aren't stupid enough to trade AB to NE. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anarchy99 4,120 Posted February 14 16 minutes ago, JohnnyU said: I sure hope teams aren't stupid enough to trade AB to NE. I wouldn't have thought that the Raiders would trade Khalil Mack or Amari Cooper for picks in an attempt to draft the next Khalil Mack or Amari Cooper. So anything is possible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyU 2,710 Posted February 14 20 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said: I wouldn't have thought that the Raiders would trade Khalil Mack or Amari Cooper for picks in an attempt to draft the next Khalil Mack or Amari Cooper. So anything is possible. Both traded to the other conference. But a trade to the NFC, then back to the AFC and to NE sounds remote at best. A trade fom Pittsburgh to NE isn't happening. A trade to another AFC team then back to NE is not only remote, but would be very foolish of that AFC team. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anarchy99 4,120 Posted February 14 3 minutes ago, JohnnyU said: Both traded to the other conference. But a trade to the NFC, then back to the AFC and to NE sounds remote at best. A trade fom Pittsburgh to NE isn't happening. A trade to another AFC team then back to NE is not only remote, but would be very foolish of that AFC team. I agree that it's unlikely, but not much shocks me anymore. So I would not be totally surprised If AB got sent to the Lions and Patricia flipped him to NE for a bunch of picks. Probably less than a 1% chance of it happening, but something hoodie might try to finagle. Bottom line, NE is going to have to do something to bring in more receivers. How and from where will be interesting to observe. There's already been talk and speculation of the Pats revisiting their WR acquisition strategy like they did in 2007 when they brought in Moss, Welker, Stallworth, and Gaffney. I also would be curious what the Steelers would do if NE offered the best deal for Brown if PIT would still say no dice. Again, an unlikely scenario, but if NE offers a first and a second and no other team offers more than a 4th, would PIT still say no? (I am aware the Pats wouldn't offer that.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
menobrown 2,700 Posted February 14 17 hours ago, Anarchy99 said: I can see PIT trading to TEAM X and that team flipping him to NE for way more than they gave up. I actually had that same thought the other night when I read La Canfora's report. Easy to do since his contract has no bonus or guaranteed money in it. The risk a team might take of doing such a deal is incurring a bad rep so that the next time a team want's to make sure they send a player to a place that won't come back on them I think they'd have second thoughts about dealing with that team. But I honestly have never understood this stance of not trading a player you don't want anymore to a rival team. If you get the best deal for your team you should take it. If you think the player is so great you won't take the best available trade out of fear he'll come back on you then you probably need to think twice about making trading the player. Besides, and I'm saying this as a Steeler fan, if they trade AB I don't see them viably contending next year anyway. I don't really care where they trade him with respect to worrying about impact of Steelers making the SB next year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four 400 Posted February 14 17 hours ago, Anarchy99 said: I can see PIT trading to TEAM X and that team flipping him to NE for way more than they gave up. Has something like this ever happened? I don't recall but I'm also probably forgetting an obvious example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joey 993 Posted February 14 55 minutes ago, Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said: Has something like this ever happened? I don't recall but I'm also probably forgetting an obvious example. folks are just making up random stuff now. If we're doing that, then I predict that the NFL puts a team on the moon and AB will be their franchise player that draws the crowd to Telsa Moon Base Stadium. I know it's the offseason, so we gotta talk about something, but a trade that specifically leads to another trade seems like fun offseason conjecture that has 0.00001% of actually happening. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steeler 2,189 Posted February 14 11 minutes ago, joey said: folks are just making up random stuff now. If we're doing that, then I predict that the NFL puts a team on the moon and AB will be their franchise player that draws the crowd to Telsa Moon Base Stadium. I know it's the offseason, so we gotta talk about something, but a trade that specifically leads to another trade seems like fun offseason conjecture that has 0.00001% of actually happening. A more realistic scenario that gets AB to NE would be for him to be traded somewhere (lets say an NFC team)... then he keeps up his antics and gets cut... BOOM... he signs with NE. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyU 2,710 Posted February 14 3 hours ago, Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said: Has something like this ever happened? I don't recall but I'm also probably forgetting an obvious example. Collusion? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
32 Counter Pass 505 Posted February 14 2 hours ago, Steeler said: A more realistic scenario that gets AB to NE would be for him to be traded somewhere (lets say an NFC team)... then he keeps up his antics and gets cut... BOOM... he signs with NE. "Insiders" allegedly said that the Steelers would be lucky to get a day 2 pick for AB. What if the Pats were offering a day 2 pick while all other teams were offering a 4th round pick? Would the Steelers bite? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steeler 2,189 Posted February 14 31 minutes ago, 32 Counter Pass said: "Insiders" allegedly said that the Steelers would be lucky to get a day 2 pick for AB. What if the Pats were offering a day 2 pick while all other teams were offering a 4th round pick? Would the Steelers bite? I doubt it. Steeler fans would be irate if they traded AB to NE. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
32 Counter Pass 505 Posted February 14 Should worrying about what fans think be the deciding factor in making football decisions? Definitely a factor but not the primary factor. If you could get a high value draft pick I think that would better serve the team long term. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stephen Holloway 245 Posted February 14 39 minutes ago, 32 Counter Pass said: "Insiders" allegedly said that the Steelers would be lucky to get a day 2 pick for AB. What if the Pats were offering a day 2 pick while all other teams were offering a 4th round pick? Would the Steelers bite? So, Mr. Brown is worth the same as Joe Flacco? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
32 Counter Pass 505 Posted February 14 Just to clarify, those aren't my words. I am quoting reports have been circulating about his value. Too lazy to google and link. What fascinates my is the notion that the Steelers would take substantially less from any team not named the Patriots. That seems to go against their own long term interests. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edgar 118 Posted February 14 3 minutes ago, 32 Counter Pass said: Just to clarify, those aren't my words. I am quoting reports have been circulating about his value. Too lazy to google and link. What fascinates my is the notion that the Steelers would take substantially less from any team not named the Patriots. That seems to go against their own long term interests. To take a significantly worse pick to keep him away from NE would be cutting off the nose to spite the face, but politics do play a role. All else equal, I imagine the Steelers don’t want AB to have a terrific season upon leaving. But wherever he goes, discussing his 2019-2021 contract will be huge. Every inch of me believes AB threw up his skirt so he could force a trade and get paid one, last, time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
32 Counter Pass 505 Posted February 14 I agree that getting paid is one motivating factor, but for whatever reason AB seems to have an ax to grind with BB. It is sounds like a pretty large ax. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
STEADYMOBBIN 22 3,505 Posted February 14 25 minutes ago, 32 Counter Pass said: I agree that getting paid is one motivating factor, but for whatever reason AB seems to have an ax to grind with BB. It is sounds like a pretty large ax. Huh? Why is he upset with B.B.? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buttonhook 453 Posted February 14 14 minutes ago, STEADYMOBBIN 22 said: Huh? Why is he upset with B.B.? Because he's woke. I'm convinced the only way to keep AB happy is to make him the QB. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
STEADYMOBBIN 22 3,505 Posted February 14 Just now, Buttonhook said: Because he's woke. I'm convinced the only way to keep AB happy is to make him the QB. I couldn’t be more confused. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buttonhook 453 Posted February 14 7 minutes ago, STEADYMOBBIN 22 said: I couldn’t be more confused. Did you just quote AB? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arodin 2,929 Posted February 14 Abbreviations have gotten completely out of hand on that board. But this recent exchange works best if we read “B.B.” as “Big Ben” rather than “Bill Bellichek,” as the 99% of us who weren’t the original poster did. Ironically, “B.B.” with the periods is actually more characters than just saying “Ben” and avoiding all confusion. 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
STEADYMOBBIN 22 3,505 Posted February 14 33 minutes ago, Buttonhook said: Did you just quote AB? Nope. @32 Counter Pass said : 1 hour ago, 32 Counter Pass said: I agree that getting paid is one motivating factor, but for whatever reason AB seems to have an ax to grind with BB. It is sounds like a pretty large ax. I asked why AB would have an axe to grind with BB? Assuming BB = Bill Belichick. Am I wrong here? I could be, thats why I asked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
STEADYMOBBIN 22 3,505 Posted February 14 2 minutes ago, Arodin said: Abbreviations have gotten completely out of hand on that board. But this recent exchange works best if we read “B.B.” as “Big Ben” rather than “Bill Bellichek,” as the 99% of us who weren’t the original poster did. Ironically, “B.B.” with the periods is actually more characters than just saying “Ben” and avoiding all confusion. Thank you! WTF uses BB for Big Ben? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rockaction 14,547 Posted February 14 Just now, STEADYMOBBIN 22 said: Nope. @32 Counter Pass said : I asked why AB would have an axe to grind with BB? Assuming BB = Bill Belichick. Am I wrong here? I could be, thats why I asked. See Arodin's comment above yours. I think that explains it pretty well. It's Big Ben. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
32 Counter Pass 505 Posted February 14 10 minutes ago, STEADYMOBBIN 22 said: Nope. @32 Counter Pass said : I asked why AB would have an axe to grind with BB? Assuming BB = Bill Belichick. Am I wrong here? I could be, thats why I asked. BB = Big Ben in context to AB Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joey 993 Posted February 14 ah. I get it. AB has an axe to grind with BB, so he should force a trade to NE to play with BB and TB. pretty simple stuff. 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ghost Rider 4,491 Posted February 15 Greg Jennings talked about this today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syN2g-sIQ7E Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elevencents 727 Posted February 15 (edited) 3 hours ago, Arodin said: Abbreviations have gotten completely out of hand on that board. But this recent exchange works best if we read “B.B.” as “Big Ben” rather than “Bill Bellichek,” as the 99% of us who weren’t the original poster did. Ironically, “B.B.” with the periods is actually more characters than just saying “Ben” and avoiding all confusion. I assumed Belichick because why would you ever use B.B. for Roethlisberger? I’ve never seen that before in my life. Edit: Ok went back and it appears to be Big Ben. Can we never use that again, especially when the Pats are involved in the same conversation. Edited February 15 by Elevencents Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steeler 2,189 Posted February 15 5 hours ago, 32 Counter Pass said: Should worrying about what fans think be the deciding factor in making football decisions? Definitely a factor but not the primary factor. If you could get a high value draft pick I think that would better serve the team long term. Of course not and the Steelers will do what's best for them regardless of what the fans think. I answered your question with "I doubt it". Then added, as a separate comment, that the fans would hate a trade to NE, not that the Steelers would use that to determine what to do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IHEARTFF 475 Posted February 15 LB AB BB BB TB 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arodin 2,929 Posted February 15 21 minutes ago, IHEARTFF said: LB AB BB BB TB 2B or ~2B. ? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 3,668 Posted February 15 Quote ESPN's Mike Wells does not expect the Colts to pursue Antonio Brown. The Colts are overflowing with cap space. They also have a thin receiver depth chart behind T.Y. Hilton. Nevertheless, Wells does not expect GM Chris Ballard to make a run, due at least in part fo the distraction factor. The Steelers reportedly will not trade Brown to the AFC North or Patriots. If Indy also isn't a player, that's a fertile ground of potential suitors who are already off the board. RELATED: Indianapolis Colts SOURCE: ESPN.com Feb 14, 2019, 2:36 PM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voiceofunreason 877 Posted February 15 Looks like the typical guy the hawks go after, give too high of a pick for, sign to too big of an extension, don't throw them the ball enough and have it end up in a big hissy fit between the team and player. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites