brewer
Footballguy
I think management and ownership deserve a good bit of blame in this and the Bell situation. But AB's contract was not unfair or unfriendly to the player at all.
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brewer
Footballguy
People don't live in a vacuum. If a co-worker gets a raise or certain treatment, it affects the way you feel and what you request.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Of course but I don't think contract negotiations equates to "ownership's inflexibility and culture"
brewer
Footballguy
I think the ownership group has plenty of blame in how the Bell contract situation was handled and I think Coach Tomlin has plenty of blame for his general lack of discipline, especially in giving special privs to AB and Ben. I'm not the one that used the "ownership's inflexibility and culture" phrase, but do you not agree that both situations were handled poorly at the very least by the Steelers ownership and management group?
A famous Tomlin quote is "The standard is the standard", well unless you are AB of course, then there is a different standard. And we are not talking about a prime parking spot, we are talking about consistently being late or absent from mandatory meetings and by some reports, late to report on game day. If you don't think those sorts of things played into the attitude and stance of these players, then I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.
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Brown and his agent do not control where or if he gets traded. Brown's options are play for the Steelers, or if he is traded play for that team, or retire.
I guess he could hold out if he's not traded or he doesn't like the team he is traded to but I think this would be the most unlikely outcome.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I never said they didn't mishandle the situation, only that that Bell and AB were different cases.
irish eyes
Footballguy
Good luck to whatever team trades for this nut bag, geez.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Having Wentz in a keeper league, why not cross state and conference.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
So he wants more money to boot, new contract, more guaranteed cash etc. so was this whole thing all about worming his way into a better deal?
Wingnut
Footballguy
Ive been on the fence since this whole fiasco, but now I gotta agree, I want nothing to do with this weirdo.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Brown is playing his cards to where there is no way a team will give up a lot for him if they don't think he will play there. Brown is basically saying, "If you trade for me, you better be prepared to give me a lot of guaranteed money."
And I think it is likely that Brown will not want to go to a team that already has a legit number 1 WR or a team with an offense that is known for spreading the ball around. He is a stat whore and wants his targets and catches, above all else. I don't think it's a coincidence that this happened after the Steelers finally got a really good, reliable number 2 behind him. That is why he views SF as a good landing spot because they are starved for WR help.
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Statistically, his 2018 season was almost identical to his 2016 season, except in 2018 he had 15 more targets and 3 more TDs.
I mean, sure he's been a ##### about the whole Team MVP thing, but I'm not sure you can make a valid argument that his production has changed in any way.
Buttonhook
Footballguy
You clearly didn't watch ABs video on the stationary bike, posted in last 24 hours?
Buttonhook
Footballguy
I'm disappointed that AR look a photo with this loser, after he quit, blew everyone off on the team and organization, and had no problem publicly trashing the Steelers.
Wish AR had bigger balls to stand up for what's right. It's probably a lot of the reason we're such a ####-show for a team right now.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
It’s all good. He’ll just act cute and all the Steelers will love him for doing this.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
whoever does better name him team MVP every season....cant hurt the diva's feelings
Godsbrother
Footballguy
His problem with the Steelers has not been about money. That video was directed towards any team stupid enough to think about trading for him
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Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Yeah, it’s only about the team having unrealistic expectations of him, like showing up for meetings on time (or at all), playing in games, acting like the team doesn’t exist just to revolve around and gratiate him, and not walking off in the middle of games. It’s slavery, I tell you!
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Steelers GM Kevin Colbert has said the Steelers have not talked to any teams regarding a trade for Antonio Brown. He went on to say that AB will not be discounted nor will he be released.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
The Steelers really need to do this if they don't want to set a precedent of the inmates running the asylum
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Dynasty/Keeper question. If you own a QB on a different team, would you be against AB joining that team? Do you think your QB would do worse?
AB is one of the best WR's in the game and would be a tremendous assistance and up the fantasy value of any QB. Your QB literally might not be able to do better. Maybe I'm not understanding the questions because this should not be in question.
Steeler
Footballguy
The new QB will be fine as long as AB gets 10 targets per game, constantly praises AB in the media, and buys him breakfast every morning. It wouldn't hurt if the new QB mentions how big AB's chest looks either.
Steeler
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
You did not ask that question and my previous answer should work again, of course not.
Steeler
Footballguy
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Foosball God
Foos
It sounds like they already do and have been for awhile.Godsbrother said:
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Well then let's up it a notch. Would the new team have a better record with or without him?
He'd be a tremendous addition to any team and make them better and all things being equal he'd lead to more wins but reality of any team he joins is he is just one player and a lot of things will impact final W-L record. But he'll make any team he joins better.
Foosball God
Foos
Also, while I don't think AB is going about this the right way at all, it does sound like Ben Rothlisberger is a real ##### that thinks his 
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Steeler
Footballguy
The new team will never lose another game as long as AB is on the team!
Seriously though, AB is an addition on the field, no question about it. Also pretty obvious is that there is some off field and locker room risk associated with acquiring AB given his antics over the last year or so. As long as AB is happy and getting his stats, the new QB and team should be better with him than without him. "As long as he is happy" is a big if/risk IMO.
I still think Ben should tamp down the public comments but after the glowing endorsement he got from Rooney today I would imagine he will be even more emboldened.Also, while I don't think AB is going about this the right way at all, it does sound like Ben Rothlisberger is a real ##### that thinks his
If Ben is interested, I think he'll make an outstanding analyst one day.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
I don't understand this at all. Why would there be any concern an elite WR brings any QB down?
Foosball God
Foos
AB has never been accused of not being a hard worker. I think when he gets traded he's going to bust his ### to prove that he's just that good and he wasn't just a product of the Steeler's system.
Except week 17. And in subsequent reports leaking out during this final dispute.
How much of the latter is spin to make the team look good is open for debate, but if it is true, it seems AB has moved away from the hard worker reputation he had early in his career.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
This is what I was looking for. I understand steeler fans and even AB owner being apprehensive about a move. But all the posts saying they didn't want him on their team made me wonder.
Foosball God
Foos
One incident doesn't mean he's suddenly not a hard worker. From what it sounds like AB ran a bad route, or at least a route that Rothlisberger didn't want him to run and forced the coaches to take Brown off the field. Brown had enough and decided he was done. I think he made the wrong choice, and I think he hasn't made very good choices subsequently, but I don't know that anyone has seen enough to say he isn't a hard worker anymore.
I think that is only a reasonable conclusion if you discount the reports of skipping training camp, showing up late on game days, missing meetings...
Admittedly it may be sensible to discount those, given the circumstances in which they came out, but that’s part of what I’m pointing to in raising the possibility that he isn’t the tireless worker he once was.
Foosball God
Foos
Agree that as a general manager I'd have to weigh that as a risk, I just don't think it is a slam dunk observation at this point.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Maybe but it seems there has been this narrative that Ben never blames himself and always throws his teammates under the bus. Anyone that actually listens to what he says after games knows this is not true. There is an article out now that lists them but the point is he routinely takes blame for losses.Also, while I don't think AB is going about this the right way at all, it does sound like Ben Rothlisberger is a real ##### that thinks his
I have no idea of what goes on during practices and in the locker room but publicly I can only recall a handful or times he called out specific teammates (although he used to put blame on former OC Todd Haley quite a bit, there is no denying that -- those two did not get along).
He probably was out of line when he said that AB ran a crappy route but I have a feeling he was getting sick and tied of AB's sideline antics.
rockaction
Footballguy
No, I don't think so. There was enough volume in Pittsburgh's offense within the passing game to support two top ten guys. JuJu will be drawing all the doubles now. It's like Golladay when Tate got traded and Jones went down. He didn't quite have the athleticism to compensate for the doubles he saw the rest of the year.
We'll see about JuJu.
Foosball God
Foos
rockaction
Footballguy
They're in their thirties. Ben is in his mid-thirties. Not sure how much growing up is left to do at this point.
