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There’s tons of risk here and could cost a GM their job, but the upside is a Randy Miss 2007 Patriots talent injection. Someone will bite. 

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53 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

My guess would be NFC team - Seahawks, 49ers, or Falcons.

If AB is all about ego/money/recognition, why wouldn't Washington be on this short list. He'd be there biggest star and he'll be over paid by Snyder. Yeah, I realize we don't know who's going to throw him the ball, but I'm not sure that's overly important to AB, otherwise he'd appreciate Big Ben more than he has. 

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2 minutes ago, ffmail4me said:

If AB is all about ego/money/recognition, why wouldn't Washington be on this short list. He'd be there biggest star and he'll be over paid by Snyder. Yeah, I realize we don't know who's going to throw him the ball, but I'm not sure that's overly important to AB, otherwise he'd appreciate Big Ben more than he has. 

I don't think they'd want him given they currently only have $17m in cap space.  https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/

And can you imagine his reaction to Colt McCoy throwing him the ball?

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26 minutes ago, ffmail4me said:

If AB is all about ego/money/recognition, why wouldn't Washington be on this short list. He'd be there biggest star and he'll be over paid by Snyder. Yeah, I realize we don't know who's going to throw him the ball, but I'm not sure that's overly important to AB, otherwise he'd appreciate Big Ben more than he has. 

Washington needs to figure out their QB issue first. I would think this  is the top priority of the Redskins. If they roll with Colt Mccoy and make some cuts to free up some money then maybe but they also have to figure in the money they will need to allot for their rookie class they draft.

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I get why people say the Raiders don't make sense but I can come up with a few reasons I think they would be interested. I consider them one of the main contenders for his services.

 

Also I saw the other day he will be on that Lebron James HBO show called The Shop. I think it recorded already, but is airing on March 1.  I sure hope he does not damage his trade value even more.

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23 minutes ago, menobrown said:

I get why people say the Raiders don't make sense but I can come up with a few reasons I think they would be interested. I consider them one of the main contenders for his services.

 

Also I saw the other day he will be on that Lebron James HBO show called The Shop. I think it recorded already, but is airing on March 1.  I sure hope he does not damage his trade value even more.

I believe this was filmed before he said he would meet with Rooney, so he could say some dumb things. However, I expect the conversation to revolve around how oppressed Lebron, AB and the others are. 

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3 hours ago, Edgar said:

There’s tons of risk here and could cost a GM their job, but the upside is a Randy Miss 2007 Patriots talent injection. Someone will bite. 

 

C’mon.  Apples and oranges.  NE acquired Moss for a 4th rounder, paid him $3M his first year with them when Moss agreed to take a pay cut from $9.75M with OAK to $3M with NE, and then after Moss had his great year NE resigned him for $27M over 3 years, of which $15M was guaranteed. The risk to NE was relatively very small then.  That wasn’t a huge leap of faith on their part.

Think those kinds of numbers, Brown taking a large pay cut to move on and the pick being a 4th rounder make this work out for everyone involved?

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I would be very surprised if he went for a first and somewhat surprised if he went for a 2nd. 

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On 2/23/2019 at 6:08 PM, kittenmittens said:

Articles like Faust just posted. Jets, Raiders, Cardinals, Redskins all speculated as landing spots.  None of those teams should be buying a 31 year old with a first rounder...  All of their first rounders are in the top 5 or 10 or will be next year. 

Ok, but where is the top 5 pick part coming from? 

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4 minutes ago, Hankmoody said:

Ok, but where is the top 5 pick part coming from? 

The worst teams in the league tend to have the top picks in the draft. 

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1 hour ago, IHEARTFF said:

I would be very surprised if he went for a first and somewhat surprised if he went for a 2nd. 

he is probably going for a 3rd or a 4th.....

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10 minutes ago, kittenmittens said:

The worst teams in the league tend to have the top picks in the draft. 

Ok so wild speculation.  Got it.

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5 hours ago, osubuckeyeman said:

Washington needs to figure out their QB issue first. I would think this  is the top priority of the Redskins. If they roll with Colt Mccoy and make some cuts to free up some money then maybe but they also have to figure in the money they will need to allot for their rookie class they draft.

If this was fantasy football, Brown would be packaged with Mason Rudolph and shipped to Washington for their 1st and 3rd.

But the NFL doesn't do business like that...

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2 minutes ago, Hankmoody said:

Ok so wild speculation.  Got it.

I don't think it's wild speculation to suggest that the Raiders, Jets, or Cardinals will be drafting in the top 5 or 10 picks next year.

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5 minutes ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

he is probably going for a 3rd or a 4th.....

That would be a steal for most teams.

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18 minutes ago, kittenmittens said:

I don't think it's wild speculation to suggest that the Raiders, Jets, or Cardinals will be drafting in the top 5 or 10 picks next year.

Ok so wild speculation and being intentionally obtuse in the process.  Got it.

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2 hours ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

he is probably going for a 3rd or a 4th.....

 

2 hours ago, Leroy Hoard said:

That would be a steal for most teams.

If the best the Steelers can get for AB is a 3rd or 4th (which is certainly possible) I hope they just keep him.  At that point he can either show up and toe the line, hold out, retire, or the Steelers can suspend him if he doesn't straighten up . I hope the Steelers don't have to settle for a 3rd because AB on the field is still more valuable that a 3rd (as long as he is getting his stats :)

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10 hours ago, Steeler said:

 

If the best the Steelers can get for AB is a 3rd or 4th (which is certainly possible) I hope they just keep him.  At that point he can either show up and toe the line, hold out, retire, or the Steelers can suspend him if he doesn't straighten up . I hope the Steelers don't have to settle for a 3rd because AB on the field is still more valuable that a 3rd (as long as he is getting his stats :)

Agreed.  If the Steelers don't get a first or high second I think they'll just hold onto him.   He is just too valuable of a player to get that little in return.   If he doesn't report then he doesn't get paid and the Steelers save $$.  If he does show up and acts up you can suspend him.  If he shows up and behaves himself then you have your great WR back.   In my mind the Steelers still hold the cards.

One other thing:   Although Brown is saying that he wants to redo his contract when he gets traded the team acquiring him is under no obligation to do so.   The only card AB has is to hold out and the team trading with the Steelers could place some conditions like they get a 2020 pick back if they are unable to work out a deal if AB doesn't report

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On 2/23/2019 at 10:20 AM, Dr. Dan said:

if I were the Steelers I would stand pat too. Kind of odd when they stand firm on Bell but seem to be giving into AB. Unless it's an age thing and they knew they would get a high comp pick for Bell, but with AB they are kind of stuck unless they do trade him. 

Bell wasn't under contract so there was no option to trade Bell.   Bell's case was pretty simple:  the Steelers offered X and the player wanted Y.   There were attempts at negotiating but the two sides could not come to an agreement and Bell decided to hold out rather than accept the $14.5 million tender.   There really weren't any other options available for the Steelers.

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10 hours ago, Steeler said:

 

If the best the Steelers can get for AB is a 3rd or 4th (which is certainly possible) I hope they just keep him.  At that point he can either show up and toe the line, hold out, retire, or the Steelers can suspend him if he doesn't straighten up . I hope the Steelers don't have to settle for a 3rd because AB on the field is still more valuable that a 3rd (as long as he is getting his stats :)

If AB is t traded, I think we will see a bunch of challenges to the CBA. For example, if Brown participates penny half heartedly in team activities while continuing to attack players, coaches, or management . . . the. What happens? Suppose Brown pulls a Kawhi Leonard and has an “injury” and suddenly can’t play. Or maybe he just refuses to go back to the team.

That last one is the easiest to sort out, but like Bell last year, the team couldn’t use the extra cap space until the following year. And as time goes by, Brown’s trade value only will go down. Would the potential distraction and circus be worth holding on to him in the hopes of getting a better draft pick?

Things will be different than with Bell, as Brown is under contract and the NFLPA will intervene if the Steelers try to suspend him or not pay him. I know a similar situation happened with TO and the Eagles, so there could be a similar outcome. But that didn’t turn out well for anyone involved. 

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Looking back at the Eagles and Owens riff, I believe a team can only suspend a player without pay for conduct detrimental to the team for 4 games. They can continue to hold him out, but Unless they changed the policy, the player would have to be paid (and one would guess that money would still count against the salary cap).  

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9 hours ago, Godsbrother said:

Agreed.  If the Steelers don't get a first or high second I think they'll just hold onto him.   He is just too valuable of a player to get that little in return.   If he doesn't report then he doesn't get paid and the Steelers save $$.  If he does show up and acts up you can suspend him.  If he shows up and behaves himself then you have your great WR back.   In my mind the Steelers still hold the cards.

One other thing:   Although Brown is saying that he wants to redo his contract when he gets traded the team acquiring him is under no obligation to do so.   The only card AB has is to hold out and the team trading with the Steelers could place some conditions like they get a 2020 pick back if they are unable to work out a deal if AB doesn't report

Looking back at the Eagles and Owens riff, I believe a team can only suspend a player without pay for conduct detrimental to the team for 4 games. They can continue to hold him out, but Unless they changed the policy, the player would have to be paid (and one would guess that money would still count against the salary cap).  

 

Agree with you on all points. The one thing I slightly would differ though you are correct a team is not obligated to do another deal with Brown which I would totally love to see this played out. I'm sure this would be covered before the deal was finalized. No team wants to trade draft capital and devote resources to this type of deal and then not get the player on the field. 

I would also add that I think a first round pick is bare bones minimum and honestly more would have to be added to the deal if I ran the Steelers because I'm not about to open the door for every aging player under contract for  multiple years to start acting up and demanding a trade or to rip up the contract he agreed too. I might incentivize the contract some to try to keep the peace but no way I'm trading a player like Brown with multiple years left on his contract without an overpay to justify making the trade. If teams are not willing to do that then I'm sorry Mr. Brown your options are play for the Steelers, retire, or hold out and be fined as much as permitted including being suspended as much as possible if able. I don't care about his legal issues and acting up in social media if teams bring this up. Look at his production and what you are getting and I don't have to trade him. He's under contract.  The Steelers hold a ridiculous amount of leverage. The one point I would concede is age. Age would be a factor for me on the other end but really only teams looking at a title run should be putting their ball in the court for Brown anyway. 

This is nothing new.  Barry Sanders who retired.  Carson Palmer who was traded for 2 first round picks and TO who was represented by who?? You guessed it Drew Rosenhaus. TO went with the continue to act up and get suspended by the team multiple times once for a week and then again for four games. The Eagles ended up waiving TO a day before paying him 5 million.  TO being the worst case scenario for everyone but really was TO ever the same?? Nope.  Not sure he got his big payday to feed his family either. The team was hurt as well by dealing with him for as long as they had too but no one believes the Eagles caved in and not sure but don't believe they have had the same issue since.  

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ESPN's Jeremy Fowler reports the Steelers "prefer" to trade Antonio Brown to a team in the NFC.

Speaking Wednesday at the Combine, Steelers GM Kevin Colbert said "interest has grown" on Brown in trade talks. "Ideally you’ll like to trade him to someone you’d never play," Colbert said. "But if a team comes through with the best compensation you have to weigh that." It's hard to see the Steelers trading Brown within the AFC North or to the conference-rival Patriots. The Panthers, 49ers, and Packers have been talked about as potential destinations in recent weeks.

SOURCE: Jeremy Fowler on Twitter

Feb 27, 2019, 10:43 AM

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Gerry Dulac (long time Steelers beat reporter) said today Steelers GM Kevin Colbert has said a lot of things about this AB situation, but the one thing he has never heard him say is that th eSteelers would consider keeping AB if the price is not right.  Essentially Dulac thinks the Steelers will take whatever they can get.  But I still hope the Steelers can get decent compensation for Brown and not settle for something way under market value (for his on field ability).

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14 minutes ago, Steeler said:

Gerry Dulac (long time Steelers beat reporter) said today Steelers GM Kevin Colbert has said a lot of things about this AB situation, but the one thing he has never heard him say is that th eSteelers would consider keeping AB if the price is not right.  Essentially Dulac thinks the Steelers will take whatever they can get.  But I still hope the Steelers can get decent compensation for Brown and not settle for something way under market value (for his on field ability).

Ummmmm

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Colbert also insisted that the Steelers aren't locked into trading Brown, despite Brown's clear interest in moving on.

"We will only make a trade if it benefits the Pittsburgh Steelers," Colbert said. "He knows that. His representation knows that. That's been clearly explained, and we're willing to take a look. If there's something that can be done to benefit both sides, great. If not, then we'll deal with that when we get to it.

"Anything we do has to benefit us. If it doesn't, then it won't."

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Steeler said:

Gerry Dulac (long time Steelers beat reporter) said today Steelers GM Kevin Colbert has said a lot of things about this AB situation, but the one thing he has never heard him say is that th eSteelers would consider keeping AB if the price is not right.  Essentially Dulac thinks the Steelers will take whatever they can get.  But I still hope the Steelers can get decent compensation for Brown and not settle for something way under market value (for his on field ability).

What is that compensation for you? 

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I think they should trade him to the Redskins for a 3rd round pick and then the Redskins trade him right to the Patriots for a 2nd round pick. 

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30 minutes ago, Steeler said:

Gerry Dulac (long time Steelers beat reporter) said today Steelers GM Kevin Colbert has said a lot of things about this AB situation, but the one thing he has never heard him say is that th eSteelers would consider keeping AB if the price is not right.  Essentially Dulac thinks the Steelers will take whatever they can get.  But I still hope the Steelers can get decent compensation for Brown and not settle for something way under market value (for his on field ability).

When you see what people like snacks harrison go for....you are talking about a 31 year old headache....who has to build rapport with a new qb....pitt will be lucky to get a 3rd rounder......then again amari cooper went for a 1st but his cost is more controlled

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17 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

Ummmmm

Thanks, hadn't seen the quotes directly from Colbert.  Only thing I can think is that Dulac interpreted the "then we'll deal with that when we get to it." as them taking whatever they can get :shrug: 

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17 minutes ago, Sebowski said:

What is that compensation for you? 

For me it's a first (but I understand why that's really not likely).

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4 minutes ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

.you are talking about a 31 year old headache

Who led the NFL in receiving TDs and has posted 6 consecutive 100+ catch seasons (and ridiculous yardage over that time frame).  Obviously he's a head case, but he is (and most likely will) be productive on the field for a few years.  Hopefully for the Steelers teams will look more at his production and less at the off field antics.

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It doesn't matter a whole lot what the Steelers think of his value. That will be in the eye of the beholder. I think they have decided to take the best they can get (probably not including in division or Pats offers) and are saying the right things to keep the bidding as high as possible.  So, you hope the buyers will look more at production and getting one of the best WRs in the world for the next 2-3 years than a guy throwing furniture off the upstairs balcony and quitting on his team because he didn't feel properly respected by his teammates.

I think it will help the Steelers to allow potential trade partners to talk with AB about contract terms, which I think may take as little as guaranteeing a bigger slice of the contract already in place. If there is a big sticking point, it may be guaranteeing the contract of a loose cannon who may find it easier to quit on teammates he doesn't know than those he had grown up amongst. A well written guarantee could fairly accommodate both concerns.

Ultimately, I think he is traded for a 2nd or early 3rd with his contract guaranteed against injury, but not against his behavior.

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30 minutes ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

When you see what people like snacks harrison go for...

What Snacks went for was a crime, highway robbery, theft, one organization taking advantage of a fire sale, etc. 

It still irritates me because if the Giants hold on to Harrison, Eli Apple, build the OL through the draft, and sign Foles -- they've got an immediate playoff roster.  

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52 minutes ago, Steeler said:

Who led the NFL in receiving TDs and has posted 6 consecutive 100+ catch seasons (and ridiculous yardage over that time frame).  Obviously he's a head case, but he is (and most likely will) be productive on the field for a few years.  Hopefully for the Steelers teams will look more at his production and less at the off field antics.

Won't his beef with the Steelers continue with the next team?  They gave him a huge front-loaded contract that now isn't good enough for him.  Won't that happen again?

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7 minutes ago, daveR said:

Won't his beef with the Steelers continue with the next team?  They gave him a huge front-loaded contract that now isn't good enough for him.  Won't that happen again?

Depends on how structure of contract but the big thing I'd encourage people to keep in mind is I'm not aware of AB every holding out complaining about his pay with the Steelers, seems like people are in bit of rush to judgment because he said he wanted guarantees. He's essentially out of guarantees, that's a completely understandable thing on his part to want. Does he want more money? Yes, of course, but I often reference a guy like Julio with AB and that's a guy who also got a front loaded contract and if ATL was not willing to redo his deal I guarantee he'd be holding out or asking to be traded.

My point is a 31 year old WR whose leverage is less every season, who is out of guarantees in his deal and his remaining years will pay him what I'd guess is an average of $5-7M per season less then the top paid WR each year will get wanting his contract redone with some guarantees added should not be viewed as some constant malcontent player always worried about his contract and considered prone to be difficult in the future.

I think a ton of conjecture is going on with AB by a lot of people. He's an easy target right now, but I think majority of players in the NFL who at his age  and perform like he has would want more money and guarantees.

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1 hour ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

you are talking about a 31 year old headache...

This narrative is absurd. Since 2012 Brown has only missed 6 games. Two of which were this year, apparently because of some kind of fallout with Big Ben. I do not agree with his choices but to label him as chronic head case feels like hyperbole. Maybe I am missing something but can someone point to so called head case behavior in years past?

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31 minutes ago, menobrown said:

Depends on how structure of contract but the big thing I'd encourage people to keep in mind is I'm not aware of AB every holding out complaining about his pay with the Steelers, seems like people are in bit of rush to judgment because he said he wanted guarantees. He's essentially out of guarantees, that's a completely understandable thing on his part to want. Does he want more money? Yes, of course, but I often reference a guy like Julio with AB and that's a guy who also got a front loaded contract and if ATL was not willing to redo his deal I guarantee he'd be holding out or asking to be traded.

My point is a 31 year old WR whose leverage is less every season, who is out of guarantees in his deal and his remaining years will pay him what I'd guess is an average of $5-7M per season less then the top paid WR each year will get wanting his contract redone with some guarantees added should not be viewed as some constant malcontent player always worried about his contract and considered prone to be difficult in the future.

I think a ton of conjecture is going on with AB by a lot of people. He's an easy target right now, but I think majority of players in the NFL who at his age  and perform like he has would want more money and guarantees.

 He could have done fewer years but got the money up front and the team got multiple years. I'm not hating on Brown good for him if he gets out of Pittsburgh that would be on the Steeler front office if they allow that to happen. I'm not a Steeler fan myself but I would be livid if my team did permit this to happen. I think people need to keep in mind that the team has the right to want the remaining years of the contract. Do I understand Brown? Sure. Should Pittsburgh be willing to redo his contract? I suppose they could but they are not under any obligation to do so. Players want the money up front and then don't want the years later that go with it. Brown and his agent had multiple options and agreed to the terms I'm sure we can google a picture of Brown with his big smile sitting at the table when he signed. I will concede I think they should bump the contract up if it would end all this to a point that benefits both team and player.

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1 hour ago, rockaction said:

What Snacks went for was a crime, highway robbery, theft, one organization taking advantage of a fire sale, etc. 

It still irritates me because if the Giants hold on to Harrison, Eli Apple, build the OL through the draft, and sign Foles -- they've got an immediate playoff roster.  

:lmao:

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3 minutes ago, 32 Counter Pass said:

This narrative is absurd. Since 2012 Brown has only missed 6 games. Two of which were this year, apparently because of some kind of fallout with Big Ben. I do not agree with his choices but to label him as chronic head case feels like hyperbole. Maybe I am missing something but can someone point to so called head case behavior in years past?

  https://937thefan.radio.com/articles/antonio-brown-report-just-latest-bizarre-year

The list of crazy things AB has done over the last year or so is pretty long.  The article lists some things that aren't very relevant but the 4 things below are probably the most egregious off field stuff.  I'm not saying this should change anyone's mind, just sharing the details of he antics.

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• Brown reportedly called Bouchette a “racist” after Bouchette tweeted that Brown was limping at training camp. He then called Bouchette a “clown” on Twitter. Reportedly, Brown apologized to Bouchette. 

• Brown threatened to assault ESPN’s The Undefeated reporter Jesse Washington, saying “wait to I see you bro we gone see what your jaw like.” Brown then issued public apology, then went on strange tirade to media in which he called himself an ”exceptionalism.”

• Brown was sued for trashing his Florida apartment and then claimed he had $80,000 in cash and a gun stolen from him. He was also sued for tossing furniture from 14th floor of his apartment building, nearly hitting and, potentially, killing a 22-month-old toddler. 

• Brown was cited for driving in excess of 100 miles per hour on McKnight Road, which was over 55 miles per hour more than the posted speed limit. Brown reportedly told police that he was late for a team meeting.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, 32 Counter Pass said:

This narrative is absurd. Since 2012 Brown has only missed 6 games. Two of which were this year, apparently because of some kind of fallout with Big Ben. I do not agree with his choices but to label him as chronic head case feels like hyperbole. Maybe I am missing something but can someone point to so called head case behavior in years past?

Not my list...i just googled brown

 

 

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Antonio Brown’s laundry list of off-the-field antics and controversial headlines keeps growing.

Brown got into a verbal altercation with Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, skipped Saturday’s mandatory team walkthrough and then left Heinz Field at halftime of Sunday’s 16-13 win over the Cincinnati Bengals, according to numerous reports. 

The Post-Gazette’s Gerry Dulac and Ed Bouchette were first on the story, in which they report that the incident with Roethlisberger occurred Wednesday morning. Brown was listed as non-participant in practice that day due to a “coaches decision.” 

Steelers coach Mike Tomlin said Friday that Brown was kept out due to a knee injury, which had been added to the injury report on Thursday. Tomlin indicated that Brown could potentially play Sunday, despite not practicing. But Brown, reportedly, did not even test out the knee pregame and did not play.

The new report is the latest in a series of bizarre behavior and off-the-field issues for Brown, who caught 104 passes for 1297 yards and a career-high 15 touchdowns this season.

Below is a list of headlines from Brown since the 2017 season ended:

• Brown took to Instagram to publicly call out his girlfriend and mother of his children for not taking care of her children from a previous relationship.

Related: McDonald: Bell’s Absence ‘Rode’ With Steelers

• Brown skipped most of OTAs after he saw Roethlisberger wasn't there. Roethlisberger later admitted he had a pre-planned family vacation during the opt

• Brown slammed the media on first day of mandatory minicamp, appearing to question why he plays, saying, “Am I playing football to make a lot of money or am I playing football to take care of my family?” Brown continued, saying the media puts pressure on him and that he is unable to go out in public because of it.

• Brown showed up in a helicopter to training camp.

• Brown disappeared for a week during training camp. Mike Tomlin claimed that he had been sent to Pittsburgh for medical tests, but Brown was filmed in a pool in Miami.

• Brown reportedly called Bouchette a “racist” after Bouchette tweeted that Brown was limping at training camp. He then called Bouchette a “clown” on Twitter. Reportedly, Brown apologized to Bouchette. 

• Brown showed up more than four hours late to an event at Children’s Hospital, offering no explanation as to why he was so late.

• Brown makes a joke in a GQ article about cheating on his girlfriend and mother of children, saying “it’s kind of hard to keep it in my pants.” 

• Brown threatened to assault ESPN’s The Undefeated reporter Jesse Washington, saying “wait to I see you bro we gone see what your jaw like.” Brown then issued public apology, then went on strange tirade to media in which he called himself an ”exceptionalism.”

• Brown was spotted by CBS cameras hugging former Browns offensive coordinator Todd Haley during a game against Cleveland. He then was caught bragging about reaching 10,000 career receiving yards to Haley on team’s Snapchat, minutes after the 21-21 tie.

• Brown was seen yelling at his offensive coordinator Randy Fichtner and wide receivers coach Derryl Drake on sideline. He then left the locker room before media could ask him about it vs Chiefs.

• Brown tweeted "trade me let's find out" when criticized on Twitter by former Steelers public relations staffer Ryan Scarpino.

• Brown failed to show up for Monday meetings after the Chiefs game. He then told the media he was “pissed off” because “we suck.”

• Brown was sued for trashing his Florida apartment and then claimed he had $80,000 in cash and a gun stolen from him. He was also sued for tossing furniture from 14th floor of his apartment building, nearly hitting and, potentially, killing a 22-month-old toddler. 

• Brown was cited for driving in excess of 100 miles per hour on McKnight Road, which was over 55 miles per hour more than the posted speed limit. Brown reportedly told police that he was late for a team meeting.

• Brown repeatedly posted his personal accolades on social media after Steelers losses, including a crucial 31-28 loss in New Orleans.

• Brown reportedly got into a disagreement with Roethlisberger in practice, throws football at him and leaves practice.

• Brown reportedly skips the team’s walkthrough the day before Bengals game, shows up before game, is told he won’t play and leaves at halftime.

All of these incidents, some major, some minor, have occured since last offseason. Brown, who will turn 31 in July, is set to have a base salary of $12,625,000 in 2019. He is signed through the 2021 season.

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15 minutes ago, 32 Counter Pass said:

This narrative is absurd. Since 2012 Brown has only missed 6 games. Two of which were this year, apparently because of some kind of fallout with Big Ben. I do not agree with his choices but to label him as chronic head case feels like hyperbole. Maybe I am missing something but can someone point to so called head case behavior in years past?

I would be in complete agreement. I think this past season he got to be more of a headache and since week 17 he's been a problem but to suggest he's been some headcase or problem child over course of his Steeler career is folly. I'm pretty sure up until week 17 last year the Steelers have been totally happy making him one of the highest paid WR's in the game and would have been happy having him back next season had AB decided to make amends instead of trying to force his way out.  Things turned ugly quickly, but that in no way should mean people should look to rewrite the history he had with this team.

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21 minutes ago, Sebowski said:

:lmao:

I honestly don't get this.  They'd be in immediate contention if they pulled the trigger on Foles, tagged Collins, and built that line.  

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23 minutes ago, menobrown said:

I would be in complete agreement. I think this past season he got to be more of a headache and since week 17 he's been a problem but to suggest he's been some headcase or problem child over course of his Steeler career is folly. I'm pretty sure up until week 17 last year the Steelers have been totally happy making him one of the highest paid WR's in the game and would have been happy having him back next season had AB decided to make amends instead of trying to force his way out.  Things turned ugly quickly, but that in no way should mean people should look to rewrite the history he had with this team.

I disagree there is probably a ton of stuff we don't hear about, but the dudes a superstar. Tomlin couldn't control him no more

 

 

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55 minutes ago, 32 Counter Pass said:

This narrative is absurd. Since 2012 Brown has only missed 6 games. Two of which were this year, apparently because of some kind of fallout with Big Ben. I do not agree with his choices but to label him as chronic head case feels like hyperbole. Maybe I am missing something but can someone point to so called head case behavior in years past?

Watch some games from this year. Every time he didn’t get the ball or Ben missed him he threw a fit. Steelers stupidly let him do anything he anted and show up to games. Now the next team is going to change him after this has gone on for years? Good luck.

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10 minutes ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

I disagree there is probably a ton of stuff we don't hear about, but the dudes a superstar. Tomlin couldn't control him no more

 

 

So you are disagreeing based on stuff you think might have have happened but don't know about? Ok.

I agree that Tomlin can't control him now. I do not believe that has been the case until now. In other words he is a problem now, he's not been during most of his career.

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1 minute ago, menobrown said:

So you are disagreeing based on stuff you think might have have happened but don't know about? Ok.

I agree that Tomlin can't control him now. I do not believe that has been the case until now. In other words he is a problem now, he's not been during most of his career.

Teams keep stuff "in the locker room" all the time. Either way its time to get a divorce, the relationship is broken.

 

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4 hours ago, rockaction said:

I honestly don't get this.  They'd be in immediate contention if they pulled the trigger on Foles, tagged Collins, and built that line.  

Sorry. I missed the Foles part. Thought you meant with Manning. 

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6 minutes ago, Sebowski said:

Sorry. I missed the Foles part. Thought you meant with Manning. 

Ahh, okay Sebowski. I'd agree with the laughter if was saying that they'd be in contention with Eli. My thought was a really contingent one that centered around some realistic hypotheticals, some of which that can't be undone (Snacks and Apple).

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4 hours ago, rockaction said:

I honestly don't get this.  They'd be in immediate contention if they pulled the trigger on Foles, tagged Collins, and built that line.  

I wouldn't laugh, but I think the above would be a long shot.  A lot would have to break right for the Giants to be in true contention even doing those things.  

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Just now, kittenmittens said:

I wouldn't laugh, but I think the above would be a long shot.  A lot would have to break right for the Giants to be in true contention even doing those things.  

Yeah, and there's no way the Lions are giving the Giants back Harrison nor the Saints giving back Apple. It's more wishful thinking than any true realistic football discussion. 

I just wondered what the Giants were doing last year giving away quality players for mid-to-late round picks. 

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