He won’t “retire;” he already feels like Pitt is being unfair, he’s not going to make it easy on them by quietly going away. If they won’t work out a trade that he likes, he’ll keep doing what he has been doing. Forcing the Steelers to cut him. If they don’t cut him, and he’s smart (but that seems like a BIG if recently), he won’t do enough to validate a suspension, but he will make the team chemistry & locker room a ####ty situation, and Pitt will have ANOTHER ruined season (of Ben’s dwindling prime) because of their inability to work things out with one of their star players.
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cloppbeast
Footballguy
irish eyes
Footballguy
Steeler fandom goes above and beyond. The name on the front of the jersey matters more than the one on the back. That being said, AB is being a ##### in this situation, IMO,
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
He has an employment contract governed by a collective bargaining agreement whose salary is directly impacted by the good will of fans who spend money and time creating value in the nfl. If he was a free agent, that is different. He can try to use leverage to get what he wants, but he has gone about it terribly.
If I was a shareholder in a publically traded company whose CEO did something to hurt the company I would be mad. If a co-worker wanted to leave my company and went about it in an unprofessional way, I would be mad at them too.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
irish eyes
Footballguy
skinfanjon
Footballguy
And teams rip up those contracts whenever they feel like. I'll never understand why fans side with the billionaire aholes that own teams.
Steeler
Footballguy
skinfanjon
Footballguy
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
I’ll never understand guys who make these kinds of statements because they either don’t or won’t understand the concepts of signing bonuses or guaranteed money. There is risk on both sides of the equation.
This isn’t a government union job, where underperforming or ineffective workers are rewarded with continued employment and benefits.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
No they don’t. They adhere to the terms of the contract, allowing for its termination, and the rules of the collective bargaining agreement. If you want better contracts, blame your union or negotiate better terms if you have the leverage.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
No I also don't wear a helmet at my job. What does that have to do with anything?
He's not your co-worker though and he's a not a CEO. He is unhappy and in most careers if someone was unhappy, they could quit and apply to work for another company with similar pay. If they hated their fellow coworkers at the restaurant than they could quit and work at a new restaurant for similar pay. The NFL basically has a monopoly on pro football though so the only way to move to a new organization is to demand a trade. Also the NFL isn't a normal job. He is employed by the Steelers but he really works for the NFL. He isn't demanding to get out of NFL job, he just wants to be transferred to a different office.
I don't see what that has to do with anything. It's still just his job.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
skinfanjon
Footballguy
I can and do. Your last paragraph is exactly right.
Last reply on this but if a team can decide their situation has changed such that they won't fulfill a contract, so can a player. It's really not that difficult to understand.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
That perhaps your expectations of a typical workplace don’t apply to the NFL? But you knew that already, right?
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
I’m sure there isn’t. Just like there isn’t a clause barring him from wishing he was 3” taller.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
He can only go so far with that. He's under contract and they don't have to trade him.
It's looking more and more right now that they won't.
Ask Keyshawn Johnson how that works out.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I don't think that has anything to do with the situation- which was my point. He wants to get transferred to a different NFL branch. It is something that happens all the time in many workforces. They may decide to transfer him, not transfer him, cut him, whatever. However asking for a transfer is not something people should hate someone for.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
It probably will work out poorly for him. Look at Bell. It doesn't mean a person should hate him or bad mouth him on the internet.
Steeler
Footballguy
Clearly it's more complicated than that - you see that right? Can we be peeved at the way he is going about it? How about miffled? What is the appropriate level of displeasure we are allowed to have regarding how he's going about it?
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
*sigh* And when transfers are granted, the receiving branch has to compensate the donating branch equitably, right?
We can do this all day. Or rather you can. I’m pretty much done with it.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
I don't hate him. I love him for all he's done for the Steelers. I won't be burning jerseys any time soon.
That said, it doesn't mean I can't think he's been acting like a complete idiot and hurting both himself and the Steelers in the process.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I don't know all the details but if he did something like that, the NFL or Steelers have discipline procedures to follow. I don't condone attempting to hurt or humiliate coworkers.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Oh sure I get being miffed or disappointed but there are people saying he's dead to them, they hate him and much much worse
rockaction
Footballguy
The branch analogy is a little lacking. The NFL has franchisees and a monopsony on labor, but it's not like a movement to the same company but just at a different location. The franchises all run differently to the degree the NFL lets them.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
I agree. I don't get it and he does seem to be acting weird. I hope it's all a charade to get a trade and not some kind of mental breakdown.
Foosball God
Foos
It's more like a car dealership model then a franchise with branches.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
You don’t seem to understand how contracts or collective bargaining works. Nobody is breaching or not fulfilling their contract when a player is cut or released. There are agreed upon terms within the individual contract and cba that govern. They are negotiated points.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I know it's not a perfect analogy. He is paid by the Steelers but his contract is with the NFL as a joint unit. It's a more complex situation but I thought it was a decent rough analogy. Also the monopsony is one of the reasons why players do these sorts of things. There is no other NFL he can work at. Most of us can walk out of our jobs and seek similar employment somewhere else. NFL players have no other options.
Warhogs
Footballguy
I'm a Packer fan from the great north so I can't say I have followed Antonio Brown's career but a few years ago the national coverage always painted him as a well liked player. In the last year that has changed to he is selfish and has to be a #1. I'm not sure what it really is?
With the latest news I wonder how this will end? I suspect this refusal to sign a long term deal with the Bills means the Steelers will get less for him in a trade. Does he end up going somewhere for a 3rd or a 4th with no guarantee that the team getting him can extend his contract? Do the Steelers get stubborn and say you have a year left you play for us or no one? I suspect he gets traded for around a 3rd round pick with no guarantee that he will sign a contract extension. What are the latest thoughts?
With the latest news I wonder how this will end? I suspect this refusal to sign a long term deal with the Bills means the Steelers will get less for him in a trade. Does he end up going somewhere for a 3rd or a 4th with no guarantee that the team getting him can extend his contract? Do the Steelers get stubborn and say you have a year left you play for us or no one? I suspect he gets traded for around a 3rd round pick with no guarantee that he will sign a contract extension. What are the latest thoughts?
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
I did a search. The only people in this thread using “hate” attached to Brown are people like you accusing others of hating him, or people responding to your comments or others like it specifically stating that they don’t hate Brown but do dislike his behavior in this whole situation. In fact, the only other time “hate” is used in any other reference in this thread is a comment that Brown is going to rethink his hate for his QB in PIT if he has to play with a WAS QB.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
The 49'ers make the most sense. Their brass is young and probably more suited to dealing with someone like Brown, plus there won't be any question who is number 1 on that team. I also like Green Bay, but in my mind Adams is the #1 on that team and that probably wouldn't change.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I wish this didn’t keep needing repeated but why would the Steelers take a $20 mil cap hit for a 3rd or 4th round pick? They’re better off with the cap space and dealing with him come camp.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
https://twitter.com/gerrydulac/status/1104023773475491845?s=21
“GM Kevin Colbert said last week #Steelers would not give permission to Drew Rosenhaus to find trade for AB, but they would keep him in the loop. When they kept him in the loop about possible trade to Buffalo, 84 said he wouldn't report.”
“GM Kevin Colbert said last week #Steelers would not give permission to Drew Rosenhaus to find trade for AB, but they would keep him in the loop. When they kept him in the loop about possible trade to Buffalo, 84 said he wouldn't report.”
Ilov80s
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
The roster bonus is creating an artificial deadline. Teams who are interested think the Steelers will sell low because of his antics and because of the roster bonus.
If he's not traded and the Steelers pay the bonus, there's no longer any incentive to move him for anything that doesn't make sense to the Steelers and the market price will increase again.
He may not get traded until draft day, or later even.
If he's not traded and the Steelers pay the bonus, there's no longer any incentive to move him for anything that doesn't make sense to the Steelers and the market price will increase again.
He may not get traded until draft day, or later even.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yep. They've probably worked the hit they'll take against the valuation of the improved pick and they'll go from there.
Foosball God
Foos
I'm to the point where I think he'll sit.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Fine. Cap hit is the same regardless if he is on the team or not. Trading him for a 4 or later is dumb — guys drafted that late may not even make the team.
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Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
Does he really want to play chicken with the Steelers.
I mean, we saw how that worked out for Leveon.
