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They are acting like kids.They're in their thirties. Ben is in his mid-thirties. Not sure how much growing up is left to do at this point.
They are acting like kids.They're in their thirties. Ben is in his mid-thirties. Not sure how much growing up is left to do at this point.
True. I don't disagree with that. I guess there is a lot of room for growth, as it were.They are acting like kids.
I think this is one of the main reasons he wants out - I think he wants to prove that he can be one if the (if not THE best) WR in the game on a different team.AB has never been accused of not being a hard worker. I think when he gets traded he's going to bust his ### to prove that he's just that good and he wasn't just a product of the Steeler's system.
I think it will depend on a lot of factors. He could get traded to a terrible team. He might not end up with a QB not on the same level as Roethlisberger. He could have an OC that is in over his head. Less accomplished WR's across the league could sign for way more money than Brown is due to make. If Brown still isn't happy, I am not sure he will automatically kill himself if ends up in a bad situation or if he doesn't get his contract tweaked. He could end up on a team like the Raiders with a rookie QB (if they move on from Carr).I think this is one of the main reasons he wants out - I think he wants to prove that he can be one if the (if not THE best) WR in the game on a different team.
I remember someone calling him out during the season saying something to the effect that he'd be nothing without Ben and the Steeler system, and his trolly on Twitter it IG was 'Trade me and let's find out'. I think from that moment on, he really started to wonder.
I wish.Irresponsible speculation - Will be traded to Detroit for a 3rd round pick.
The Steelers were using JuJu in the slot or on the outside depending on which CB they thought would give him the best matchup - I don't think that will change next year - it's smart to put your best WR (in 2019) in the best position to succeed.If/when Brown is dealt, am I alone in being worried about JuJu's fantasy value? Brown has commanded double teams, and his replacement will likely be either Washington(who looked lost as a rookie) or Switzer who is more of a slot guy, which is also where JuJu excels.
could you rephrase that.AB is one of the best WR's in the game and would be a tremendous assistance and up the fantasy value of any QB. Your QB literally might not be able to do better. Maybe I'm not understanding the questions because this should not be in question.
only if he was a former patriot.Irresponsible speculation - Will be traded to Detroit for a 3rd round pick.
I don't disagree that brown and his agent planned ahead on this, butIt's about the money. Brown is 30 and under contract for 3 years. He would be 33 when he hits the market again. Brown and his agent orchestrated all of this to get traded and rip up that contract to get a new contract. I would pull a Mike Brown on AB. You want to sit then sit you play in Pittsburgh or nowhere. Mike Brown did that with Carson Palmer and Palmer sat at home for 6 weeks and Oakland gave up 2 first rounders for Palmer. I would take nothing less for Brown or he can retire. Pittsburgh lets Brown do this they set a tone for the next diva to do the same thing. Sometimes you have to be willing to take a hit to protect your future. Brown has no leverage and seems like people feel that he does. Bell is a different situation altogether. He was a tagged player at age 26 decided not to play and gave up 14 million to do so for the chance to hit the market and recoup what he lost. Brown is under contract for 3 years and is 30 big difference
The killer B's rarely played together on the same field at the same time.The steelers flubbed their championship window with the killer Bs harder than any team since the vince young dream team eagles.
Just read a piece from Mike Lombardi on the Athletic and wrote something I'd not heard anyone else say previously. Per him, AB has a player option to void the last year of his contract.If you have three years left on your deal, being a malcontent is the only way to slither out of an underpaid contract and securing a new one. That’s the only way. Playing nice doesn’t stand a chance. AB’s mentor, Terrell Owens, knows this and is advising his pupil wi$ely. The owners will regret this decision to capitulate AB when the new norm becomes a handful of players annually throwing up their skirts to secure paydays they’re not entitled to. Do you really think AB cares about the Steelers negative cap implications?
https://steelersdepot.com/2019/02/kevin-colbert-says-3-teams-have-already-inquired-about-possibly-trading-for-antonio-brown/Three teams have already contacted the Steelers about Antonio Brown according to Steelers GM Kevin Colbert
If you have three years left on your deal, being a malcontent is the only way to slither out of an underpaid contract and securing a new one. That’s the only way. Playing nice doesn’t stand a chance. AB’s mentor, Terrell Owens, knows this and is advising his pupil wi$ely. The owners will regret this decision to capitulate AB when the new norm becomes a handful of players annually throwing up their skirts to secure paydays they’re not entitled to. Do you really think AB cares about the Steelers negative cap implications?
I would hesitate to use the phrase underpaid but it's for sure a lot less then he'd get on get on the open market so in that sense he is. That WR market got reset last year.Does anyone else find it impossible to take someone seriously when they insist that getting paid $60M over 4 years, including $19M guaranteed is being underpaid?
Virtually every position gets reset every year. If you want top dollar, sign 1 year deals every year. If you want security, sign 3+ year deals. If you want your cake and to eat it too:I would hesitate to use the phrase underpaid but it's for sure a lot less then he'd get on get on the open market so in that sense he is. That WR market got reset last year.
Until they mention the actual 3 teams, who knows.Three teams have already contacted the Steelers about Antonio Brown according to Steelers GM Kevin Colbert
Sure not arguing that but however you want to slice his contract is less then what he'd get on the open market. Falcons are going to redo Julio's deal and if they did not he'd have likely held out.Virtually every position gets reset every year. If you want top dollar, sign 1 year deals every year. If you want security, sign 3+ year deals.
Revis.Virtually every position gets reset every year. If you want top dollar, sign 1 year deals every year. If you want security, sign 3+ year deals. If you want your cake and to eat it too:
Step 1: sign the long term deal, gather the signing bonus.
Step 2: squawk your way off your team and to someone who will pay you another 3+
Step 3: Profit
AB forces his way out, gets paid again and this doesn’t smell at all orchestrated to you? With Terrell Freakin Owens in his ear?Sure not arguing that but however you want to slice his contract is less then what he'd get on the open market. Falcons are going to redo Julio's deal and if they did not he'd have likely held out.
That's why I don't think this is about money. If that was the case he had all off-season to work on a restructure or hold out. I have not nor at any point thought this was about money, but if you are 31, underpaid by current market price, and are about to get traded now would be the exact time to try and demand more guarantees/money.
He signed a 5 year deal that included two high price years up front and 3 lower price years later. Both sides fully intended for him to play those first 3 years.Virtually every position gets reset every year. If you want top dollar, sign 1 year deals every year. If you want security, sign 3+ year deals. If you want your cake and to eat it too:
Step 1: sign the long term deal, gather the signing bonus.
Step 2: squawk your way off your team and to someone who will pay you another 3+
Step 3: Profit
No because if getting paid was his main goal he'd not be acting such a fool. I outlined this in an earlier response to you today that I don't think what AB is doing will be a blueprint for anyone to follow because I think his actions will prohibit from seeking the compensation he'd get if he handled his business more professionally.AB forces his way out, gets paid again and this doesn’t smell at all orchestrated to you? With Terrell Freakin Owens in his ear?
How magnificently convenient for AB!
Acting a fool is the only way to get out from under his contract. Do you think he’d get his way if he asked nicely?No because if getting paid was his main goal he'd not be acting such a fool. I outlined this in an earlier response to you today that I don't think what AB is doing will be a blueprint for anyone to follow because I think his actions will prohibit from seeking the compensation he'd get if he handled his business more professionally.
I think you are going overboard on TO being in his ear, and not just you but other people. He talks to Jerry Rice a lot as well.
I do think his actions lately are in fact orchestrated but that's to achieve his main goal, he just wants out of Pittsburgh.
YesActing a fool is the only way to get out from under his contract. Do you think he’d get his way if he asked nicely?
agreed, he is doing everything to force his way out of pitt. To the degree of trying to just trying to get released (which obviously doesn't happen). But if the steelers wanted a 2nd before all of his circus antics, maybe they will take a 4th or 5th at this point to get rid of the headache. Personally, I'm with OSUBuckeyeMan, I'd make his life a living hell if i were the steelers. The problem really boils down to that the steelers hold all the cards. You need to make sure the steelers get what they want, then brown gets what he wants(BIG guaranteed money), then you get a 31 year old WR (best in the league the last 6 years) with whatever(if any) headaches he brings with him. Lots of hoops to jump through, but someone will inevitably do it. Arizona, SF, Buff, NYJ? If I'm the steelers, i dont ship him to a contender. I'd take a lesser pick from a rebuilding team willing to give him the contract he wants, just to spite him for how he has acted.Acting a fool is the only way to get out from under his contract. Do you think he’d get his way if he asked nicely?
Acting a fool is the only way to get out from under his contract. Do you think he’d get his way if he asked nicely?
While it's not inaccurate to say acting like a crazy person will get him out of his contract, it also prevents him from being traded and reduces the value of a new contract.Acting a fool is the only way to get out from under his contract. Do you think he’d get his way if he asked nicely?
There are a lot of good points in here. I still think the Steelers would be foolish to arbitrarily limit their possible trade partners b/c they don’t want to make a team they perceive as a rival better, or because they want to “punish” AB by sending him to a bad team. Losing two All- Pro players changes their team. They are no longer one of the top teams in the AFC, and they need to accept that. If they can improve their team, they can make the playoffs/a run at the title, but they need to get better to do that. Limiting who they’ll trade with makes getting better harder.The team trading for AB has to bake in they will have to give AB a new contract so his approval of the location is important. Can't see anyone rebuilding or not in what they believe is a two-year window to a championship wanting Brown. Pretty sure I don't want Brown unless he wants to be in my city and on my franchise otherwise you risk getting the unhappy version of Brown. I would make it plain to Colbert that Brown would need to approve of my city, team, and QB. I would also know that I have to pay Brown and be willing to accept that so what makes that acceptable? A Super Bowl. Plus I don't see the Steelers trading Brown without a first rounder involved at the minimum. The trading team needs a GM with big stones too.
I'm not a fan of trading to any AFC teams if I'm the Steelers. I like the Seattle Seahawks, Green Bay Packers, San Franciso Forty Niners and one team from the AFC. The Colts.
Seattle intrigues me because I think John Schneider though normally a builder through the draft he has the stones to make a move like this. They have decent cap space. They have a later first round pick (21) though no second rounder this year hurts a bit I think that would not stop them from getting a player like Brown. Wilson can handle the presence of Brown. Baldwin can slide right in as a number two. Lockett can go to the slot and AB can work slot or the outside.
Green Bay has two first rounders one (12) and (30) via Saints. Decent Cap Space and a different front office then years past. No doubt Rodgers can deal with Brown. The Packers have a legit shot in the Brown sweepstakes. That offense would be unfair with Adams, Brown, and Rodgers. Pretty good running game too.
San Francisco has the cap space and good front(Kyle) office for some reason I see this as less likely but surely much better chance than any AFC team has. Lynch is a non-factor Kyle calls the shots and would love to get a weapon like Brown but I think they are not ready just yet to contend though possible they are young and need to build through the draft the (2) is off the table not going to happen that leaves the (36) on the table which is still pretty good but would need to package more to compete.
The Colts have the most cap space lots of draft ammo thanks to the Jets deal from last season. I think Ballard is a genius who if any AFC team has a chance for Brown it's the Colts they own the (26), (34) (59). Andrew Luck also as the credibility to handle Brown. Ty Hilton can be an outstanding number two WR. Ebron at TE throw in an improving running game and fantastic head coach in Frank Reich this is enough. I bet Josh Mcdaniels would have nightmares if this trade went down.
brown wont go for a 1st. I'd honestly be surprised if they got a high 2nd.The team trading for AB has to bake in they will have to give AB a new contract so his approval of the location is important. Can't see anyone rebuilding or not in what they believe is a two-year window to a championship wanting Brown. Pretty sure I don't want Brown unless he wants to be in my city and on my franchise otherwise you risk getting the unhappy version of Brown. I would make it plain to Colbert that Brown would need to approve of my city, team, and QB. I would also know that I have to pay Brown and be willing to accept that so what makes that acceptable? A Super Bowl. Plus I don't see the Steelers trading Brown without a first rounder involved at the minimum. The trading team needs a GM with big stones too.
I'm not a fan of trading to any AFC teams if I'm the Steelers. I like the Seattle Seahawks, Green Bay Packers, San Franciso Forty Niners and one team from the AFC. The Colts.
Seattle intrigues me because I think John Schneider though normally a builder through the draft he has the stones to make a move like this. They have decent cap space. They have a later first round pick (21) though no second rounder this year hurts a bit I think that would not stop them from getting a player like Brown. Wilson can handle the presence of Brown. Baldwin can slide right in as a number two. Lockett can go to the slot and AB can work slot or the outside.
Green Bay has two first rounders one (12) and (30) via Saints. Decent Cap Space and a different front office then years past. No doubt Rodgers can deal with Brown. The Packers have a legit shot in the Brown sweepstakes. That offense would be unfair with Adams, Brown, and Rodgers. Pretty good running game too.
San Francisco has the cap space and good front(Kyle) office for some reason I see this as less likely but surely much better chance than any AFC team has. Lynch is a non-factor Kyle calls the shots and would love to get a weapon like Brown but I think they are not ready just yet to contend though possible they are young and need to build through the draft the (2) is off the table not going to happen that leaves the (36) on the table which is still pretty good but would need to package more to compete.
The Colts have the most cap space lots of draft ammo thanks to the Jets deal from last season. I think Ballard is a genius who if any AFC team has a chance for Brown it's the Colts they own the (26), (34) (59). Andrew Luck also as the credibility to handle Brown. Ty Hilton can be an outstanding number two WR. Ebron at TE throw in an improving running game and fantastic head coach in Frank Reich this is enough. I bet Josh Mcdaniels would have nightmares if this trade went down.
The Steelers would be in a tough spot except Brown is a great player. There's likely to be many suitors, so a team would have to outbid all the others. Consider what the Raiders got for Mack.brown wont go for a 1st. I'd honestly be surprised if they got a high 2nd.
The team trading for brown holds all the negotiating power. Steelers can decline and what are they stuck with? a headcase who os owed a roster bonus soon and doesnt want to play there.
A team trading for brown not only has to give up a draft pick but also has to pay him a big contract... likely bigger than or comparable to OBJ. That has negative impact to Browns trade value.
I think chances are the Steelers either rid themselves of Brown on the cheap, or keep him. I would be surprised if they got a 1st, and if they do they will have made out like bandits
Brown is 2 years older than Mack, which isnt a big deal on the surface but when you're talking about a long term deal it is. I also think WR is one of the most interchangeable positions in the NFL.The Steelers would be in a tough spot except Brown is a great player. There's likely to be many suitors, so a team would have to outbid all the others. Consider what the Raiders got for Mack.
Yeah, so Mack is more valuable. Ok. Brown won't go for 2 first round picks.Comparing what Mack got to what AB could cost is like comparing apples to elephants. not even in the same category. A top notch defensive player in his prime is worth way more than a top WR on a sunset tour of his career.
I get your point about Brown and a young QB, but Ben had won 2 super bowls before AB even got to the Steelers, id say that is pretty established for a QB.Luck won't have an issue with Brown. And if he did Luck has no worries at all. The Colts would back Luck before Brown. Just saying Luck won't feel a need to coddle Brown and should be able to handle any Brown issues based on being established. Rodgers pretty much the same thing really any established QB. Brown would be happy for a year or two anyway so really this is moot. Think about the Jets though. Not sure I want Brown around a very young QB there could be an issue there where Brown feels being a veteran he can control Darnold and or criticize the QB publicly if things went south.
What in Lucks history makes this such a factual statement?Luck won't have an issue with Brown. And if he did Luck has no worries at all. The Colts would back Luck before Brown. Just saying Luck won't feel a need to coddle Brown and should be able to handle any Brown issues based on being established.
Chronologically speaking, yes. That's about it..We are talking about grown men here.
Oh I agree 100%. I dont think AB will ever get the first point. and that's why I think he is destined to end up with a bad divorce with whatever team he ends up with.I guess my point would be that pretty much Brown has to accept though a great player he is not as important as a franchise QB and that's with any team.
The younger QBs might have issues dealing with Brown but that's because they are young not because of the franchise seeing Brown as more valuable. Brown just is not as important as a franchise QB.
I forgot about Philly. Yeah they are on the upswing too.Rams could play a role but they would have some work to do. Snead is clever though. Can't rule them out. Howie is super smart to in Philly but they are really up against the cap and not sure they have the assets to move around to make it happen without really hurting themselves. Trading Foles could acquire some more ammo. We are all speculating here as to landing spots. I see Brown actually being pretty happy anywhere he goes for at least a season maybe two and then what he is 32?