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brady carried his ### and he sucked in cleveland

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Belichick and Brady need each other, as Brady needed his defense, who shutdown the Seahawks the last 1 1/2 quarters of the Super Bowl.

There is no ### carrying between Brady and Belichick. They work like a fine swiss timepiece.

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brady carried his ### and he sucked in cleveland

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Belichick and Brady need each other, as Brady needed his defense, who shutdown the Seahawks the last 1 1/2 quarters of the Super Bowl.

There is no ### carrying between Brady and Belichick. They work like a fine swiss timepiece.

Can't disagree with this. The Perfect Storm in an NFL sense.

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Best coach ever. People hate him because of that.

He probably is the best coach ever but if you read the article, it makes him out to be the best GM ever. He still can't draft a wide receiver to save his life.

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Best coach ever. People hate him because of that.

He probably is the best coach ever but if you read the article, it makes him out to be the best GM ever. He still can't draft a wide receiver to save his life.

cuz he had a couple busts?

ok

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Best coach ever. People hate him because of that.

He probably is the best coach ever but if you read the article, it makes him out to be the best GM ever. He still can't draft a wide receiver to save his life.

cuz he had a couple busts?

ok

2014 7 29 244 Jeremy Gallon Michigan 2013 2 27 59 Aaron Dobson Marshall 2013 4 5 102 Josh Boyce Texas Christian 2012 7 28 235 Jeremy Ebert Northwestern 2010 3 26 90 Taylor Price Ohio 2009 3 19 83 Brandon Tate North Carolina 2008 5 18 153 Matt Slater UCLA 2006 2 4 36 Chad Jackson Florida 2004 5 32 164 P.K. Sam Florida State 2003 2 13 45 Bethel Johnson Texas A&M

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Best coach ever. People hate him because of that.

He probably is the best coach ever but if you read the article, it makes him out to be the best GM ever. He still can't draft a wide receiver to save his life.

cuz he had a couple busts?

ok

2014 7 29 244 Jeremy Gallon Michigan 2013 2 27 59 Aaron Dobson Marshall 2013 4 5 102 Josh Boyce Texas Christian 2012 7 28 235 Jeremy Ebert Northwestern 2010 3 26 90 Taylor Price Ohio 2009 3 19 83 Brandon Tate North Carolina 2008 5 18 153 Matt Slater UCLA 2006 2 4 36 Chad Jackson Florida 2004 5 32 164 P.K. Sam Florida State 2003 2 13 45 Bethel Johnson Texas A&M

omg he wasted pick 244

and fyi matt slater is a pro bowler

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What's his record without Brady? Give any coach the best QB of all time and sure he will be great. He's a good coach that's about it

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What's his record without Brady? Give any coach the best QB of all time and sure he will be great. He's a good coach that's about it

So does that mean that all multi time SB winning coaches were nothing without their HOF QBs? I guess the coaches of the 49ers, Cowboys, Steelers, and the like we're only "good coaches" because they all had HOF QBs.

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What's his record without Brady? Give any coach the best QB of all time and sure he will be great. He's a good coach that's about it

Going 11-5 with Matt Cassel is pretty GOAT-worthy.

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What's his record without Brady? Give any coach the best QB of all time and sure he will be great. He's a good coach that's about it

Going 11-5 with Matt Cassel is pretty GOAT-worthy.

No question BB is worthy of GOAT consideration; didn't realize Todd Haley was as well :)

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Best coach ever. People hate him because of that.

He probably is the best coach ever but if you read the article, it makes him out to be the best GM ever. He still can't draft a wide receiver to save his life.

cuz he had a couple busts?

ok

2014 7 29 244 Jeremy Gallon Michigan 2013 2 27 59 Aaron Dobson Marshall 2013 4 5 102 Josh Boyce Texas Christian 2012 7 28 235 Jeremy Ebert Northwestern 2010 3 26 90 Taylor Price Ohio 2009 3 19 83 Brandon Tate North Carolina 2008 5 18 153 Matt Slater UCLA 2006 2 4 36 Chad Jackson Florida 2004 5 32 164 P.K. Sam Florida State 2003 2 13 45 Bethel Johnson Texas A&M

All of which pales in comparison to identifying the greatest QB of all time and not only getting him, but having the patience to maximize value by waiting until the 6th round to choose him. :thumbup:

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Best coach ever. People hate him because of that.

He probably is the best coach ever but if you read the article, it makes him out to be the best GM ever. He still can't draft a wide receiver to save his life.

cuz he had a couple busts?

ok

2014 7 29 244 Jeremy Gallon Michigan 2013 2 27 59 Aaron Dobson Marshall 2013 4 5 102 Josh Boyce Texas Christian 2012 7 28 235 Jeremy Ebert Northwestern 2010 3 26 90 Taylor Price Ohio 2009 3 19 83 Brandon Tate North Carolina 2008 5 18 153 Matt Slater UCLA 2006 2 4 36 Chad Jackson Florida 2004 5 32 164 P.K. Sam Florida State 2003 2 13 45 Bethel Johnson Texas A&M

All of which pales in comparison to identifying the greatest QB of all time and not only getting him, but having the patience to maximize value by waiting until the 6th round to choose him. :thumbup:

Nuts, blind squirrels, and such.

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My feeling is that Belichick has decided in at least a couple of areas, that things are way more random than the consensus says. I think it's the statistics classes he took going for his econ degree.

He believes that injury history is not an indicator of future injury probability, and that the draft, at least where successful teams end up picking, is a crap shoot. He may be right; he may be wrong, but I think that's what he's decided.

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What's his record without Brady? Give any coach the best QB of all time and sure he will be great. He's a good coach that's about it

Going 11-5 with Matt Cassel is pretty GOAT-worthy.

Take a look at those teams they faced that year. They were terrible

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Best coach ever. People hate him because of that.

He probably is the best coach ever but if you read the article, it makes him out to be the best GM ever. He still can't draft a wide receiver to save his life.

cuz he had a couple busts?

ok

2014 7 29 244 Jeremy Gallon Michigan 2013 2 27 59 Aaron Dobson Marshall 2013 4 5 102 Josh Boyce Texas Christian 2012 7 28 235 Jeremy Ebert Northwestern 2010 3 26 90 Taylor Price Ohio 2009 3 19 83 Brandon Tate North Carolina 2008 5 18 153 Matt Slater UCLA 2006 2 4 36 Chad Jackson Florida 2004 5 32 164 P.K. Sam Florida State 2003 2 13 45 Bethel Johnson Texas A&M

All of which pales in comparison to identifying the greatest QB of all time and not only getting him, but having the patience to maximize value by waiting until the 6th round to choose him. :thumbup:

Bill Bellichick wasn't in charge of player personnel that year. Probably Bobby Grier, Larry Cook and the QB coach who scouted Brady's pro day had much more to do with the input that went into that lucky choice

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What's his record without Brady? Give any coach the best QB of all time and sure he will be great. He's a good coach that's about it

So does that mean that all multi time SB winning coaches were nothing without their HOF QBs? I guess the coaches of the 49ers, Cowboys, Steelers, and the like we're only "good coaches" because they all had HOF QBs.

I would have to see what they did without their HOF QBs. Never said BB was "nothing" I said he was a good coach. I just think he gets way too much credit

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Brady did an awesome job with all BB's defenses over the years

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What's his record without Brady? Give any coach the best QB of all time and sure he will be great. He's a good coach that's about it

So does that mean that all multi time SB winning coaches were nothing without their HOF QBs? I guess the coaches of the 49ers, Cowboys, Steelers, and the like we're only "good coaches" because they all had HOF QBs.

I would have to see what they did without their HOF QBs. Never said BB was "nothing" I said he was a good coach. I just think he gets way too much credit

Since you asked . . .

Multi-time SB winning coaches with and without HOF QBs (regular season records).

Belichick with Brady: 160-47-0 (.773)

Belichick without Brady: 51-62-0 (.451)

Noll with Bradshaw: 107-51-0 (.677)

Noll without Bradshaw: 86-91-1 (.470)

Walsh with Montana: 75-36-0 (.677)

Walsh without Montana: 17-23-1 (.427)

Shula with Unitas, Griese, or Marino: 269-127-5 (.677)

Shula without Unitas, Griese, or Marino: 59-29-1 (.669)

Landry with Staubach: 85-29-0 (.746)

Landry without Staubach: 165-133-6 (.554)

Shanahan with Elway: 43-16-0 (729)

Shanahan without Elway: 127-122-0 (.510)

Seifert with Montana or Young: 87-26-0 (770)

Seifert withour Montana or Young: 27-36-0 (429)

Lombardi with Starr: 77-23-4 (.760)

Lombardi without Starr: 19-11-2 (.625)

Jimmy Johnson with Aikman: 38-30-0 (.559)

Jimmy Johnson without Aikman: 42-34-0 (.553)

And if you think Eli is HOF worthy . . .

Coughlin with Eli: 91-76-0 (.545)

Coughlin without Eli: 73-64-0 (.533)

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The Eli numbers are glaring. I can't believe he wants to be paid among the highest QBs in the NFL.

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He also wore an Armenian pin to the White House, which was politically interesting. Is he of Armenian descent?

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Best coach ever. People hate him because of that.

He probably is the best coach ever but if you read the article, it makes him out to be the best GM ever. He still can't draft a wide receiver to save his life.

cuz he had a couple busts?

ok

2014 7 29 244 Jeremy Gallon Michigan 2013 2 27 59 Aaron Dobson Marshall 2013 4 5 102 Josh Boyce Texas Christian 2012 7 28 235 Jeremy Ebert Northwestern 2010 3 26 90 Taylor Price Ohio 2009 3 19 83 Brandon Tate North Carolina 2008 5 18 153 Matt Slater UCLA 2006 2 4 36 Chad Jackson Florida 2004 5 32 164 P.K. Sam Florida State 2003 2 13 45 Bethel Johnson Texas A&M

omg he wasted pick 244

and fyi matt slater is a pro bowler

Don't be so daft. One special teams stand-out from 10 WRs chosen does not a good track record make. Despite all his success, admit that Bill hasn't been good at this position. The truth isn't that difficult,

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Best coach ever. People hate him because of that.

He probably is the best coach ever but if you read the article, it makes him out to be the best GM ever. He still can't draft a wide receiver to save his life.

cuz he had a couple busts?

ok

2014 7 29 244 Jeremy Gallon Michigan 2013 2 27 59 Aaron Dobson Marshall 2013 4 5 102 Josh Boyce Texas Christian 2012 7 28 235 Jeremy Ebert Northwestern 2010 3 26 90 Taylor Price Ohio 2009 3 19 83 Brandon Tate North Carolina 2008 5 18 153 Matt Slater UCLA 2006 2 4 36 Chad Jackson Florida 2004 5 32 164 P.K. Sam Florida State 2003 2 13 45 Bethel Johnson Texas A&M

omg he wasted pick 244

and fyi matt slater is a pro bowler

Don't be so daft. One special teams stand-out from 10 WRs chosen does not a good track record make. Despite all his success, admit that Bill hasn't been good at this position. The truth isn't that difficult,

How many of those guys were taken before pick 50?

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Best coach ever. People hate him because of that.

He probably is the best coach ever but if you read the article, it makes him out to be the best GM ever. He still can't draft a wide receiver to save his life.

cuz he had a couple busts?

ok

2014 7 29 244 Jeremy Gallon Michigan 2013 2 27 59 Aaron Dobson Marshall 2013 4 5 102 Josh Boyce Texas Christian 2012 7 28 235 Jeremy Ebert Northwestern 2010 3 26 90 Taylor Price Ohio 2009 3 19 83 Brandon Tate North Carolina 2008 5 18 153 Matt Slater UCLA 2006 2 4 36 Chad Jackson Florida 2004 5 32 164 P.K. Sam Florida State 2003 2 13 45 Bethel Johnson Texas A&M

omg he wasted pick 244

and fyi matt slater is a pro bowler

Don't be so daft. One special teams stand-out from 10 WRs chosen does not a good track record make. Despite all his success, admit that Bill hasn't been good at this position. The truth isn't that difficult,

How many of those guys were taken before pick 50?

I remember Chad Jackson being a high pick. And I was high myself on Josh Boyce - thought he could excel in that offense. Dobson was a second rounder - not sure about the rest. Overall the track record is what it is - they don't seem to value the position that highly. It has worked for them - how strong would the Gronk/Hernandez tandem be if AH didn't start killing every other person in Mass? The lack of WR depth has hurt them - specifically in playoff losses after Welker and/or Gronk were hurt. There were times they clearly lacked a play-maker. Tough to critique BB on almost any level, just thing he's swung and missed too many times at WR.

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Since the arrival of BB in 2000, here is the track record for all 32 teams with regard to their drafting of WRs in Rounds 2-7. NE has not selected a WR in the first round in that time, so to criticize BB for not hitting on (m)any WR in the draft without investing much at the position seems a bit unfair.

Team, # of WR drafted in rounds 2-7, # of WR with a 1,000 yards receiving in a season, total number of 1,000 yard receiving seasons

DEN	15	2	9CIN	20	2	9CAR	11	1	8ARI	12	2	8SDC	9	2	7GBP	20	3	7NOS	11	1	6PIT	16	3	6PHI	12	1	4NYJ	13	2	4SEA	14	2	4IND	6	2	3MIA	12	2	3BUF	14	1	3DAL	10	1	2MIN	12	2	2CHI	16	1	2ATL	11	1	1NEP	13	1	1CLE	14	1	1NYG	14	1	1BAL	15	1	1SFO	15	1	1STL	17	1	1DET	10	0	0HOU	10	0	0TBB	12	0	0WAS	12	0	0KCC	13	0	0JAX	15	0	0TEN	17	0	0OAK	18	0	0

Also of note is the 10 players the Lions drafted, not one of them has had 1,000 yards receiving in their career.

Bottom line, it's tough finding decent WR production from non-first round picks. I don't think the Pats have had a ton of success drafting WRs, but other teams have also struggled.

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If I'm not mistaken the only WR they've taken in the first 50 was Jackson.

I admit Bill seems to have a bad eye for predicting scheme fits at WR, but they aren't taking traditionally talented guys.

I don't think they take a WR with their first this year, but I would be perfectly okay with it. Bradys gonna need a guy to ride out his career with, and Jimmy is gonna need a legit WR.

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Since the arrival of BB in 2000, here is the track record for all 32 teams with regard to their drafting of WRs in Rounds 2-7. NE has not selected a WR in the first round in that time, so to criticize BB for not hitting on (m)any WR in the draft without investing much at the position seems a bit unfair.

Team, # of WR drafted in rounds 2-7, # of WR with a 1,000 yards receiving in a season, total number of 1,000 yard receiving seasons

DEN	15	2	9CIN	20	2	9CAR	11	1	8ARI	12	2	8SDC	9	2	7GBP	20	3	7NOS	11	1	6PIT	16	3	6PHI	12	1	4NYJ	13	2	4SEA	14	2	4IND	6	2	3MIA	12	2	3BUF	14	1	3DAL	10	1	2MIN	12	2	2CHI	16	1	2ATL	11	1	1NEP	13	1	1CLE	14	1	1NYG	14	1	1BAL	15	1	1SFO	15	1	1STL	17	1	1DET	10	0	0HOU	10	0	0TBB	12	0	0WAS	12	0	0KCC	13	0	0JAX	15	0	0TEN	17	0	0OAK	18	0	0

Also of note is the 10 players the Lions drafted, not one of them has had 1,000 yards receiving in their career.

Bottom line, it's tough finding decent WR production from non-first round picks. I don't think the Pats have had a ton of success drafting WRs, but other teams have also struggled.

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I said when the Pats traded me that they'll never win another championship. Say what you want about me, I was there 3yrs & left with 2 rings

— Bethel 4.0 Johnson (@2swiftjohnson) January 19, 2014

btw, when bethel johnson made his exit after those 3 yrs he was traded for the player who was taken 6th overall in that same draft (when johnson was drafted)

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yudkin's list notes 1 wr with a 1000 yd season, which I had just kind of mentally penciled in deion branch there, as he was probably our best drafted wr.

it was actually edelman --- taken in the 7th round

branch fell 2 yards short with 998 the year before they traded him for a first rounder

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