Leeroy Jenkins
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Just bought 4 tickets for the sunday marlins game at the end of april.
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***Official Philadelphia Phillies Thread*** - Castellanos ****s wit Philly (3 Viewers)
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modogg
Footballguy
ehh, baseball different then all of the other sports. without a salary cap, I have no idea why baseball fans would care about a bad contract. not my money.
and my guess is it will be rough near the end, but we will get plenty of good years. honestly think the entire plan has been all about Trout coming here for a few years. I am sure that influenced Harper coming here. he will be motivated when Mike comes here too to be part of a top of the line lineup
Billy Bats
Footballguy
From Andy Martino
Late on Wednesday night, as the Phillies negotiated with Bryce Harper, the sides remained far apart on money, according to major league sources. Harper wanted to top Giancarlo Stanton's record $325 million contract, and the Phils were unsure if the even wanted to exceed $300 million.
On Thursday, the team stepped up and agreed with Harper on a 13-year, $330 million deal. A person with direct knowledge of negotiations said that the Phils were nowhere near that number early in the day.
Late on Wednesday night, as the Phillies negotiated with Bryce Harper, the sides remained far apart on money, according to major league sources. Harper wanted to top Giancarlo Stanton's record $325 million contract, and the Phils were unsure if the even wanted to exceed $300 million.
On Thursday, the team stepped up and agreed with Harper on a 13-year, $330 million deal. A person with direct knowledge of negotiations said that the Phils were nowhere near that number early in the day.
Insein
Footballguy
Middleton got involved because it was his reputation on the line. Probably just said get it done.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
I got them at 8 to 1 in January (5th best in NL). Now they are 9 to 2 (2nd best in NL). God bless “stupid money”
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Yup 11 years from now the league minimum may be 22 million. I kid but your point is true.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Looks pretty good in the red pinstripes.
Oh and when Bryce Harper gets his final paycheck from the Phillies in 2031, Bobby Bonilla will still be four years away from his final paycheck from the Mets. Always fun to get a Bobby Bo update.
Oh and when Bryce Harper gets his final paycheck from the Phillies in 2031, Bobby Bonilla will still be four years away from his final paycheck from the Mets. Always fun to get a Bobby Bo update.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
The match of Harper in the Philly market has to be one of the worst possible matches. A prima donna with the largest contract in history who frequently doesn't play hard, bristles at criticism, whines, fights with teammates, etc in Philly? Oof. This is destined to get ugly.
Insein
Footballguy
Is that still true? Jesus.Looks pretty good in the red pinstripes.
Oh and when Bryce Harper gets his final paycheck from the Phillies in 2031, Bobby Bonilla will still be four years away from his final paycheck from the Mets. Always fun to get a Bobby Bo update.
ETA: just looked. Till 2035. That's hilarious. I mean good planning for Bobby. He knew he'd blow that money if he got it all at once. Now he gets paid $1m a year until he's 72. Damn good deal.
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Capella
Footballguy
bigmarc27
Footballguy
I feel like we’re definitely in line for a strike when the current mlbpa agreement is up in 2021. At that point, I’m guessing quicker paths to free agency and a salary floor will be on the table, at which point I’m guessing this contract looks pretty damn reasonable towards the end of it.
Jaysus
Good times!
I mean, Arod was getting that much 13 years ago.
P.S. did anybody else get a number 34 tattoo on their face today?
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belljr
Footballguy
People might not like Harper but I don't think he's known for not playing hard.... I could be wrong
I mean he had a couple instances similar to jroll not running balls out
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modogg
Footballguy
from what i hear a lot of those instances were when he was injured or last year when he had to ensure he didn't get injured for this contract
modogg
Footballguy
well good news is we will find out. Guarantee if they are winning he could pee on the field and everyone would love him. Apparently the Phils got McCutchen knowing he is a good lockerroom guide and can help guide any of this.
i mean i think it is fair to give him a clean slate. i don't know how Washington was for him but he was obviously unhappy for a few years. I think if any of what you list occurs it will be later in the contract after the Phils have done well for a few years.
it also really seems this was set up for the Phils to pay big bucks to Trout in 2 years. if that occurs, Trout will be the leader of the team and i'm sure he can keep any of this in check if needed
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Based on last year here is what we are replacing based on batting WAR.
2018 Phillies Catchers: 2.0 WAR (JT Realmuto 4.3 WAR) = +2.3
2018 Phillies Shortstops: -1.5 WAR (Jean Segura 4.3 WAR) = +5.8
2018 Phillies RF: -1.4 WAR (Bryce Harper 1.3 WAR) = +2.7
Carlos Santana 1.7 WAR (Andrew McCutcheon .8 WAR) = -0.8
Looks like a +9.9 WAR for the hitters.
Team should win 90-92 games and make the playoffs.
2018 Phillies Catchers: 2.0 WAR (JT Realmuto 4.3 WAR) = +2.3
2018 Phillies Shortstops: -1.5 WAR (Jean Segura 4.3 WAR) = +5.8
2018 Phillies RF: -1.4 WAR (Bryce Harper 1.3 WAR) = +2.7
Carlos Santana 1.7 WAR (Andrew McCutcheon .8 WAR) = -0.8
Looks like a +9.9 WAR for the hitters.
Team should win 90-92 games and make the playoffs.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
So Washington was asking Harper to defer $100mm of their $300mm offer. No wonder he balked at that.
Welcome to philly. This is a good contract for all parties and allows them to add more guys (trout?). Going to be a fun summer.
Welcome to philly. This is a good contract for all parties and allows them to add more guys (trout?). Going to be a fun summer.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I don` think you are wrong..but Harper might regret it first. Either way this one won`t end well.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I remember when Magic Johnson signed the 25 year, 25 million dollar deal with the Lakers. I thought that is the best contract ever to get one million a year for 25 years.
E-Z Glider
Footballguy
He'll be 39 at the end of his contract. No one expects it to "end well". As long as the first 8-9 years go as anticipated, everything will be fine.
They're saying he didnt want the opt-outs because he wanted to show that he was committed to the team and to help recruit other players to come join him. Wonder what BIG FISH he could be thinking about recruiting?
need2know
Footballguy
Him and trout seem cool too. And they both want to win. Both haven't been able to so far.....He'll be 39 at the end of his contract. No one expects it to "end well". As long as the first 8-9 years go as anticipated, everything will be fine.
They're saying he didnt want the opt-outs because he wanted to show that he was committed to the team and to help recruit other players to come join him. Wonder what BIG FISH he could be thinking about recruiting?
DJackson10
Footballguy
Jim Bowden just predicted Trout and Harper will be in Philly together playing in 2 yrs. Bryce wanted his next contract to be his last so he could recruit players to play with him but I don't think Trout needs much recruiting come home.
DJackson10
Footballguy
I've always said MLB needs a quicker path to FA for Players. Cap floor has been discussed numerous times especially with the Marlins issues.
need2know
Footballguy
DJackson10
Footballguy
When Bryce Contract ends just remember the Mets will stay be paying Bobby Bonilla for 3 more seasons after that.He'll be 39 at the end of his contract. No one expects it to "end well". As long as the first 8-9 years go as anticipated, everything will be fine.
They're saying he didnt want the opt-outs because he wanted to show that he was committed to the team and to help recruit other players to come join him. Wonder what BIG FISH he could be thinking about recruiting?
DJackson10
Footballguy
Doesn't play hard? Harper is far from that especially what most writers say one of the hardest working players. He got on teammates fighting with them for not playing hard Thats a guy I want on my team. Most of these young bucks in Baseball are a bunch of hotdogging ####### who HR watch and then when they hit the ball long act like they won the WS in their 50th AB of the season. Then they pop or ground out and they won't hustle to first. If that guy was on my team I'm getting in his face and going to the manager and GM to bench his ###. Harper is exactly the type of guy Philly wants.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Harper was calling out teammates for lack of accountability since the manager or GM or anyone on the team wouldn't do it. SO as one of the veterans he started doing this. I'm Facebook friends with Brett Myers who goes live from time to time and was watching the WBC last year complaining about how Younger guys today carry themselves. Called a lot of the young guys soft and lazy, hot dogs, dawgs on Grounders and pop flys but hits a HR in the 1st inning and acts like they won the game. He said do to. players attitudes in his later years after leaving the Phillies it made his decision to retire even easier. He said he would've been one of those guys performance goes down but because of his love of the game wouldn't know when to hang em up but the newer environment of basball and managers and GMs babying players now made it a lot easier for him to finally retire. Harper actually is old school in his approach but with the new school feel. Point is baseball overall is changing. We're getting more Jose Reyes characters and less Utley's and Pete Roses. Guys who care about getting on highlight and not just wins.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Billy Bats
Footballguy
DJackson10
Footballguy
DJackson10
Footballguy
Jim Buck has made a rare appearance today
Larry Bowa and Uncle Charlie are in the House too
Larry Bowa and Uncle Charlie are in the House too
DJackson10
Footballguy
We already knew he looked good in Red but he looks Better in RED PINSTRIPES WITH THE PHILLIES ON IT!!!!
DJackson10
Footballguy
Who would've thought 6 yrs ago when some cocky punk ### kid named Bryce Harper would debut for the Washington Nationals and our Beloved Cole Hamels intentionally hits Harper and admits he did it intentionally because he deserved it (We all cheered Cole). Would end up coming to Philly to play for the Phillies in 2019 with the largest contract in American Sports history?
DJackson10
Footballguy
Harper said he chose #3 instead of 34 in respect to Halladay. No one should wear that Number again. Said he could've asked Phillies 3B Mikel Franco for & as Micky Mantle was Dad's favorite player growing up but didn't want to put that kind of Pressure on him. I agree with ken Rosenthal's comments on MLB Network after the PC. This was a great day for Baseball and the fans. The Fans finally got to see the Harper many of them in the media have grown to know and love. The Fans always saw the head on Fire passionate guy and yes he's the type of player you hate if he's not on your team and love if he is, but Harper showed he's a student of the game, well versed in the history of baseball and very smart individual as whole.
CentralPA
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Bryce Harper: "If you don't think I'm gonna call Mike Trout to come to Philly in 2020, you're crazy." -Just now on WIP
Insein
Footballguy
belljr
Footballguy
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Mike Trout still has a team and teammates and all. I don't know what Harper's relationship is with Trout but if it isn't great, I could see this being a huge turnoff to Trout. Harper seems to be trying really hard and I don't understand why.
need2know
Footballguy
harper doesnt really strike me as a smart guyfred_1_15301 said:Mike Trout still has a team and teammates and all. I don't know what Harper's relationship is with Trout but if it isn't great, I could see this being a huge turnoff to Trout. Harper seems to be trying really hard and I don't understand why.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Not sure it would be tampering or not. Saying he’s going to call a guy when he no longer is on a team doesn’t seem like it fits the criteria.
