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The Official 2011 Boston Red Sox Thread (1 Viewer)
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Guster
Footballguy
should be rolling out a much improved lineup every day this year. can't wait for pitchers and catchers to report!
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Sounds like a disaster. :X
Just Win Baby
Footballguy
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
You and the projectors down in Bristol, CT. They have almost everyone in the lineup having career years.
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Insoxicated
Over/Under 100 SBs for Crawford+Ellsbury?
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SteelCurtain
Footballguy
I'm a sox fan, and I think they are the team to beat in the AL East.
That being said, I think we (Sox fans, media, etc.) are too quick to assume the Buchholz will repeat his 2010 performance. I think us assuming a 17-7 record with a 2.30 ERA is a bit optimistic.
I'm thinking he reverts back to a 13-10 with 3.5 ERA. Not bad, but not dominant.
Obviously, we have to hope that Beckett and Lackey will be much better than 2010.
Thoughts?
That being said, I think we (Sox fans, media, etc.) are too quick to assume the Buchholz will repeat his 2010 performance. I think us assuming a 17-7 record with a 2.30 ERA is a bit optimistic.
I'm thinking he reverts back to a 13-10 with 3.5 ERA. Not bad, but not dominant.
Obviously, we have to hope that Beckett and Lackey will be much better than 2010.
Thoughts?
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Insoxicated
IMO Beckett returns to 2 status and Buck regresses a little. I'm not sure on Lackey but we'll see. Lester is still among the best armis in the game and a great 1. Not the top rotation in the league but possibly top 5 if things shake out. Pen looks pretty decent with depth being questionable. I'm just not sold on Papelbon anymore but he's got something to prove this year....we'll see. Given the offense, we won't NEED the Arms to all revert to top form, but it wouldn't hurt. IMO Boston is a borderline lock for 900 runs and could flirt with 950. Assuming everyone stays healthy I think they win 93 with ease and could flirt with 100. IMO vegas is pretty decent at 96. I like the over there w/ a Push on that 96. Optimistic? Maybe... but not overly so.
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the moops
Footballguy
I'm not sure how you think their bullpen depth is an issue. They have 3 closers in Papelbon, Jenks and Bard. And nice set up men in Wheeler, Okajima, and Reyes and a nice long option in Wakefield. There depth at Pawtucket is also pretty deep. Bowden, Rice, Atchison, Albers and a few others.That Papelbon, Jenks, Bard top 3 is pretty sick.
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JMO of course but there seem to be a lot of question marks:
PAPELBON: is closer... off career worsts in era, whip, k/9, bb/9, oba, p/ip, etc... Rebound or decline?
BARD: Love the kid. should be the closer. May be by end of the year.
JENKS: Injury Prone : Back, Calf, forearm, etc. Losing FB Speed. I hope he returns to form but with his history and being on the wrong side of 30, is a gamble.
OKI : Love him but has been in decline. Terrible last year
WHEELER: Specialist
WAKE: Will this be the year the wheels fall off? Who knows....
Yes... they could be dominant... they could be mediocre.... it could be trouble.
PAPELBON: is closer... off career worsts in era, whip, k/9, bb/9, oba, p/ip, etc... Rebound or decline?
BARD: Love the kid. should be the closer. May be by end of the year.
JENKS: Injury Prone : Back, Calf, forearm, etc. Losing FB Speed. I hope he returns to form but with his history and being on the wrong side of 30, is a gamble.
OKI : Love him but has been in decline. Terrible last year
WHEELER: Specialist
WAKE: Will this be the year the wheels fall off? Who knows....
Yes... they could be dominant... they could be mediocre.... it could be trouble.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Not sold on Beckett, Lackey or Dice-K. They'll still dominate some games....but I think they are much closer to the middle of the pack than the league leaders.
Crawford and Gonzalez will do more than replace Beltre and V-Mart's production....but not off the charts more.
That being said, if the team is healthy....they'll win the division. Same as last year. If last years team didn't just get obliterated with injuries...they probably would have won the division. You can't replace the talent that they lost to injury last year.
Crawford and Gonzalez will do more than replace Beltre and V-Mart's production....but not off the charts more.
That being said, if the team is healthy....they'll win the division. Same as last year. If last years team didn't just get obliterated with injuries...they probably would have won the division. You can't replace the talent that they lost to injury last year.
wilked
Footballguy
Beckett, Dice-K, and Lackey are each in the 25-50th best starting pitcher range for the AL. Any one of them can jump into the top 20, or top 10 range. Lackey 2006-2009, Beckett 2007 - 2009, and Matsu 2008. Each of those years, each pitcher was a Top 20 pitcher in the AL. To say that each player is now unable to repeat that is a bit disingenuous. Maybe each guy only has a 25% chance of that, but combined, the odds are almost 60% that at least one does.
The beauty of this team is they have some really nice depth
The beauty of this team is they have some really nice depth
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ACEVES/OKAKIMA to AAA
REYES/ALBERS stay with Sox
DUNEDIN, Fla. --
Aceves, a righty, and Okajima, a lefty, were optioned to Triple-A Pawtucket on Monday because they can be. The two had options remaining in their contracts. Meanwhile, right-hander Matt Albers and left-hander Dennys Reyes, who were picked for those two relief spots, did not have options and would've had to clear waivers -- an unlikely proposition -- for Boston to keep them.
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Reyes and Albers join five right-handed relievers on the Red Sox: Jonathan Papelbon, Daniel Bard, Bobby Jenks, Dan Wheeler and Tim Wakefield. Bard and Papelbon -- and to some extent Wakefield -- are the only returning members from the 2010 bullpen.
Reyes posted a 3.55 ERA in 59 appearances for the Cardinals last year, but his lefty-righty splits weren't favorable for a situational left-hander. Lefty hitters batted .307 against him, while righties hit just .177. He showed signs of improvement while giving up three earned runs in 10 Grapefruit League innings.
Out of Albers, who had a 2.84 ERA while striking out 13 and walking two in 12 2/3 frames this spring, Francona gets a two-seamer he believes has "so much life, it was just hard not to like it." He's hoping the 28-year-old can use it to get quick outs and give him more than one inning if Boston is trailing in a game
REYES/ALBERS stay with Sox
DUNEDIN, Fla. --
Aceves, a righty, and Okajima, a lefty, were optioned to Triple-A Pawtucket on Monday because they can be. The two had options remaining in their contracts. Meanwhile, right-hander Matt Albers and left-hander Dennys Reyes, who were picked for those two relief spots, did not have options and would've had to clear waivers -- an unlikely proposition -- for Boston to keep them.
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Reyes and Albers join five right-handed relievers on the Red Sox: Jonathan Papelbon, Daniel Bard, Bobby Jenks, Dan Wheeler and Tim Wakefield. Bard and Papelbon -- and to some extent Wakefield -- are the only returning members from the 2010 bullpen.
Reyes posted a 3.55 ERA in 59 appearances for the Cardinals last year, but his lefty-righty splits weren't favorable for a situational left-hander. Lefty hitters batted .307 against him, while righties hit just .177. He showed signs of improvement while giving up three earned runs in 10 Grapefruit League innings.
Out of Albers, who had a 2.84 ERA while striking out 13 and walking two in 12 2/3 frames this spring, Francona gets a two-seamer he believes has "so much life, it was just hard not to like it." He's hoping the 28-year-old can use it to get quick outs and give him more than one inning if Boston is trailing in a game
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Still doesn't beat this.
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
There's needs to be a license to produce videos.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
So how long before Jed is playing full time?
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
With Bobby Jenks as a component? I think not.
scoobus
Footballguy
I liked the one with Eric Gagne better
Man In The Box
Footballguy
It's not even the best bullpen in the division.
the moops
Footballguy
Yes it is
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Insoxicated
Slim chance over Scutaro.... this has been covered already.
Finless
Footballguy
Easily the best bullpen in baseball.
wilked
Footballguy
Riiiiight....guys with >10 K/9 and >3.3 K/BB just grow on treesOR there were only 5 relief pitchers in the AL to accomplish this last year.People seem to forget / ignore / not realize that he had the second worst BABIP of all pitchers last year. http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=al&qual=y&type=2&season=2010&month=0&season1=2010&ind=0
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
You seem to forget / ignore / not realize that he had a line drive rate of 20.8%. A numbers that's gone up the last 3 years.You better hope that Tito's willing to coddle Bobby when his bottle of Jack is empty like Ozzie did.
Man In The Box
Footballguy
I'll take the pen with the stud who led the AL in saves, with a .8 WHIP, setting up the best closer ever. Not saying that Boston's pen isn't any good, I just think the Yankees are better. We'll see.
wilked
Footballguy
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
'wilked said:
2008 - 14.1%2009 - 18.1%
2010 - 20.8%
wilked
Footballguy
I'm no mathematician, but it looks to me that it has gone up the last two years, not three broski...'wilked said:
2009 - 18.1%
2010 - 20.8%
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Give it timeI'm no mathematician, but it looks to me that it has gone up the last two years, not three broski...'wilked said:
2009 - 18.1%
2010 - 20.8%
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
What stat would you like to be predictive? How about ERA, ERA+, WHIP, BB/9? Each number has been in decline since the end of 2008
wilked
Footballguy
How about looking at useful stats for relievers, to start with. FIP is a useful metric... Here are AL relievers last year, sorted by FIP. He keeps pretty good companyhttp://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=al&qual=y&type=8&season=2010&month=0&season1=2010&ind=0K/9 and K/BB are useful metrics for relievers, again, here is the company he keeps therehttp://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=al&qual=y&type=8&season=2010&month=0&season1=2010&ind=0http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=al&qual=y&type=1&season=2010&month=0&season1=2010&ind=0The guy had terrible luck last year with BABIP, there is no question on this. He strikes out a ton of guys and does not put guys on with a walk. If you really think he sucks still, I am not going to change your mind, but the stats lead me to believe he will have an excellent year with a good defense behind him.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
If healthy Oakland's is better.'Finless said:
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Stoked for baseball!
Go sox!
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Is Daniel Bard an important piece of this epic bullpen?
Finless
Footballguy
Yes. You're going to judge him by his outing today. Look at his numbers from last year.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Let me see if I have this right....You proclaimed the entire bullpen the 'best ever assembled' before a pitch was even thrown, yet you have a problem with me commenting about one player after real baseball actually took place?Is that how I should be reading this?
shadyridr
Footballguy
Woah woah woah. The Yanks have Joba, Robertson, Soriano, and Mariano. Easy here chief
shadyridr
Footballguy
If you put all the Sox & Yanks bullpen arms in a bag and could choose from any of them wouldn't the order be:
Mariano
Soriano
Bard
Papelbon
Jenks
Robertson
Chamberlain
Remaining flotsam and jetsam
I mean is this even debatable? People are really arguing the Sox bullpen is better than the Yanks?
Mariano
Soriano
Bard
Papelbon
Jenks
Robertson
Chamberlain
Remaining flotsam and jetsam
I mean is this even debatable? People are really arguing the Sox bullpen is better than the Yanks?
the moops
Footballguy
I think Joba deserves to be mentioned with the "remaining flotsam and jetsam". He's been terrible for two years.
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Guest
Guest
Is Pujols teh suck after going 0-5 on Opening Day?
