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1.01 Shadowfax - Arian Foster, Houston, RB1

2.16 Shadowfax - Drew Brees, QB5, New Orleans

3.01 Shadowfax - Dallas Clark, TE3, Indianapolis

4.16 Shadowfax - Santana Moss, WR26, Washington

5.01 Shadowfax - Pierre Garcon, WR27, Indianapolis

6.16 Shadowfax - Ryan Grant, RB29, Green Bay

7.01 Shadowfax - Tim Tebow, QB20, Denver

8.16 Shadowfax - A.J. Green, WR47, ?

9.01 Shadowfax - Jacoby Ford, WR48, OAK

1.02 Thom Yorke - Jamaal Charles, Kansas City, RB2

2.15 Thom Yorke - Miles Austin, WR11, Dallas

3.02 Thom Yorke - Wes Welker, WR12, New England

4.15 Thom Yorke - Felix Jones, RB22, Dallas

5.02 Thom Yorke - Matt Schaub, QB10, Houston

6.15 Thom Yorke - Danny Woodhead, RB28, New England

7.02 Thom Yorke - Dustin Keller, TE13, NY Jets

8.15 Thom Yorke - Donavan McNabb, QB26, Washington?

9.02 Thom Yorke - Danny Amendola, WR49, St. Louis

1.03 Jeff Pasquino - Chris Johnson, Tenn., RB3

2.14 Jeff Pasquino - DeSean Jackson, WR10, Philadelphia

3.03 Jeff Pasquino - Tom Brady, QB6, New England

4.14 Jeff Pasquino - Chris Cooley, TE7, Washington

5.03 Jeff Pasquino- Mike Williams, WR28, Seattle

6.14 Jeff Pasquino- Matthew Stafford, QB19, Oakland

7.03 Jeff Pasquino- Terrell Owens, WR37, ?

8.14 Jeff Pasquino - James Jones, WR46, Green Bay

9.03 Jeff Pasquino - Michael Bush, RB39, Oakland

1.04 Sigmund Bloom - Adrian Peterson, Min, RB4

2.13 Sigmund Bloom - Peyton Manning, QB4, Indianapolis

3.04 Sigmund Bloom - Jermichael Finley, TE4, Green Bay

4.13 Sigmund Bloom - Sidney Rice, WR25, Minnesota

5.04 Sigmund Bloom- Steve Smith, WR29, NYG/FA

6.13 Sigmund Bloom- Steve Smith, WR36, Carolina

7.04 Sigmund Bloom - Jimmy Graham, TE14, New Orleans

8.13 Sigmund Bloom - Joseph Addai, RB38, Indianapolis

9.04 Sigmund Bloom - Mikel LaShoure, RB40, ?

1.05 Valence - Ray Rice, Bal, RB5

2.12 Valence - Phillip Rivers, QB3, San Diego

3.05 Valence - Mike Williams, WR13, Tampa Bay

4.12 Valence - Kenny Britt, WR24, Tennessee

5.05 Valence- Zach Miller, TE8, Oakland

6.12 Valence- Mark Ingram, RB27, ?

7.05 Valence- Reggie Bush, RB30, New Orleans

8.12 Valence - Mike Sims-Walker, WR45, Jacksonville

9.05 Valence - Arrelious Benn, WR50, Tampa Bay

1.06 BostonFred - Maurice Jones-Drew, RB6, Jacksonville

2.11 BostonFred - Mike Wallace, WR9, Pittsburgh

3.06 BostonFred - Knowshon Moreno, RB15, Denver

4.11 BostonFred - Steve Johnson, WR23, Buffalo

5.06 BostonFred - Jay Cutler, QB11, Chicago

6.11 BostonFred- Mark Sanchez, QB18, NY Jets

7.06 BostonFred - Rob Gronkowski, TE15, New England

8.11 BostonFred - James Starks, RB37, Green Bay

9.06 BostonFred - Julio Jones, WR51, ?

1.07 Jeter23 - LeSean McCoy, RB7, Philadelphia

2.10 Jeter23 - Aaron Rodgers, QB2, Green Bay

3.07 Jeter23 - Brandon Marshall, WR14, Miami

4.10 Jeter23 - Percy Harvin, WR22, Minnesota

5.07 Jeter23 - LeGarrette Blount, RB23, Tampa Bay

6.10 Jeter23 - Chad Johnson, WR35, Cincinnati

7.07 Jeter23 - Aaron Hernandez, TE16, New England

8.10 Jeter23 - Hines Ward, WR44, Pittsburgh

9.07 Jeter23 - Jermaine Gresham, TE18, Cincinnati

1.08 BusMan - Darren Mcfadden, RB8, Oakland

2.09 BusMan - Steven Jackson, RB14, St. Louis

3.08 BusMan - Marques Colston, WR15, New Orleans

4.09 BusMan - Brandon Lloyd, WR21, Denver

5.08 BusMan - Matt Ryan, QB12, Atlanta

6.09 BusMan - Brandon Pettigrew, TE12, Detroit

7.08 BusMan - Ryan Fitzpatrick, QB21, Buffalo

8.09 BusMan - Davone Bess, WR43, Miami

9.08 BusMan - Todd Heap, TE19, Baltimore

1.09 Reaper - Andre Johnson, WR1, Houston

2.08 Reaper - Jason Witten, TE2, Dallas

3.09 Reaper - Ryan Matthews, RB16, San Diego

4.08 Reaper - Tony Romo, QB9, Dallas

5.09 Reaper- Michael Crabtree, WR30, San Francisco

6.08 Reaper- Marshawn Lynch, RB26, Seattle

7.09 Reaper Fred Jackson, RB31, Buffalo

8.08 Reaper- Carson Palmer, QB25, Cincinnati

9.09 Reaper - Lance Moore, WR52, New Orleans

10.08 Reaper - Ryan Williams, RB46, ROOKIE

1.10 Yellow Line is Unofficial - Michael Vick, QB1, Philadelphia

2.07 Yellow Line is Unofficial - Larry Fitzgerald, WR8, Arizona

3.10 Yellow Line is Unofficial - Jahvid Best, RB17, Detroit

4.07 Yellow Line is Unofficial- Dez Bryant, WR20, Dallas

5.10 Yellow Line is Unofficial- Austin Collie, WR31, Indianapolis

6.07 Yellow Line is Unofficial- Tony Gonzales, TE11, Atlanta

7.10 Yellow Line is Unofficial Ryan Torain, RB32, Washington

8.07 Yellow Line is Unofficial - Pierre Thomas, RB36, New Orleans

9.10 Yellow Line is Unofficial - Kevin Kolb, QB27, Philadelphia?

10.07 Yellow Line is Unofficial- Mike Tolbert, RB45, San Diego

1.11 Renesauz - Roddy White, WR2, Atlanta

2.06 Renesauz - Matt Forte, RB13, Chicago

3.11 Renesauz - Vincent Jackson, WR16, San Diego?

4.06 Renesauz - Ben Roethlisberger, QB8, Pittsburgh

5.11 Renesauz - Shonn Greene, RB24, NY Jets

6.06 Renesauz - Braylon Edwards, WR34, NY Jets

7.11 Renesauz - Mike Thomas, WR38, JAX

8.06 Renesauz - Tashard Choice, RB35, Dallas

9.11 Renesauz - Brent Celek, TE20, Philadelphia

10.06 Renesauz - Heath Miller, TE22, Pittsburgh

1.12 Blue Kun - Greg Jennings, WR3, Green Bay

2.05 Blue Kun - Antonio Gates, TE1, San Diego

3.12 Blue Kun - Jeremy Maclin, WR17, Philadelphia

4.05 Blue Kun - Johnathan Stewart, RB21, Carolina

5.12 Blue Kun - Joe Flacco, QB13, Baltimore

6.05 Blue Kun - Matt Cassell, QB17, Kansas City

7.12 Blue Kun - Beanie Wells, RB33, Arizona

8.05 Blue Kun - Deion Branch, WR41, NE?

9.12 Blue Kun - Ronnie Brown, RB41, Miami

10.05 Blue Kun - Anthony Armstrong, WR56, Washington

1.13 John Doe - Reggie Wayne, WR4, Indy

2.04 John Doe - Michael Turner, RB12, Atlanta

3.13 John Doe - Ahmad Bradshaw, RB18, NY Giants

4.04 John Doe - Eli Manning, QB7, NY Jets

5.13 John Doe- Johnny Knox, WR32, Chicago

6.04 John Doe- Marcedes Lewis, TE10, Jacksonville

7.13 John Doe - Colt McCoy, QB22, Cleveland

8.04 John Doe - Tony Moeaki, TE17, Kansas City

9.13 John Doe- Jordan Shipley, WR53, Cincinnati

10.04 John Doe- Donald Brown, RB44, Indianapolis

1.14 Dpeease - Rashard Mendenhall, RB9, Pittsburgh

2.03 Dpeease - Frank Gore, RB11,San Fran

3.14 Dpeease - Anquan Boldin, WR18, Baltimore

4.03 Dpeease - Santonio Holmes, WR19, NY Jets

5.14 Dpeease- Sam Bradford, QB14, St. Louis

6.03 Dpeease - Kellen Winslow, TE9, TB

7.14 Dpeease - Randy Moss, WR39, ?

8.03 Dpeease - Jerricho Cothery, WR42, NY Jets

9.14 Dpeease - C.J. Spiller, RB42, Buffalo

10.03 Dpeease - Matt Hasselbeck, QB28, Seattle

1.15 Toads - Peyton Hillis, RB10, Cleveland

2.02 Toads - Dwayne Bowe, WR7, Kansas City

3.15 Toads - BenJarvis Green-Elis, RB19, New England

4.02 Toads - Owen Daniels, TE6, Houston

5.15 Toads- Josh Freeman, QB15, Tampa Bay

6.02 Toads- Mario Manningham, WR33, NYGiants

7.15 Toads - Malcom Floyd, WR40, San Diego

8.02 Toads - Blaine Gabbert, QB24, ?

9.15 Toads - Chris Ivory, RB43, New Orleans

10.02 Toads- Earl Bennett, WR55, Chicago

1.16 Aaron Rudnicki - Calvin Johnson, WR5, Detroit

2.01 Aaron Rudnicki - Hakeem Nicks, WR6, New York Giants

3.16 Aaron Rudnicki - DeAngelo Williams, RB20, Carolina

4.01 Aaron Rudnicki - Vernon Davis, TE5, San Francisco

5.16 Aaron Rudnicki - Cedric Benson, RB24, Cincinnati

6.01 Aaron Rudnicki- David Garrard, QB16, Jacksonville

7.16 Aaron Rudnicki - Ladainian Tomlinson, RB34, Jets

8.01 Aaron Rudnicki - Jason Campbell, QB23, Oakland

9.16 Aaron Rudnicki - Ben Watson, TE21, Cleveland

10.01 Aaron Rudnicki- Lee Evans, WR54, Buffalo

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Honestly surprised to see Vick go so high in these. I see several flags telling me he may be moderately to severely over-rated at this point.

First of all...His numbers did start to tail off late in the season as teams got more game-film on him.

Second...We don't know for sure that he'll be an Eagle again next year. While it's a reasonable assumption to make...it's a HUGE assumption to make for a first round pick!

Third...he still carries an injury risk that's at least modestly higher than most other QB's.

As impressive as Vick was this year, I just can't see him as a reasonable first round gamble at this point.

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I am surprised to see Vick go as QB1. When he was healthy he put up good numbers. I only ask because I did not take the time to look, but how many seasons was he able to stay healthy for the full 16 games (1 or 2)? He does not have a good track record of staying healthy for a full season, so if I were to draft him I would dang well better be able to get a solid backup.

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Very interesting to see the diversity at the top 30-50% of the draft. Lots of RBs that could be first or eighth.

As for Vick, I agree that he is likely being overdrafted. I don't see how he ends up being so high next year - although if that means Philly rolling again I will gladly be wrong.

I still hope that Philly trades him, selling high for a king's ransom.

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I am surprised to see Vick go as QB1. When he was healthy he put up good numbers. I only ask because I did not take the time to look, but how many seasons was he able to stay healthy for the full 16 games (1 or 2)? He does not have a good track record of staying healthy for a full season, so if I were to draft him I would dang well better be able to get a solid backup.

I agree with most of this, but he put up fantastic, not good, numbers when healthy this year. I can understand the temptation to burn a very early pick on him; I just don't think I'd do it, personally.

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Anyone else a little concerned about Roddy White down the stretch last year? After around week 10, his numbers really tailed off, and his YPC during those games took a nosedive (around 10.0 per). I haven't looked into it too much, but it seems like teams may have just completely sold out on defense to slow Roddy, knowing that all ATL had in the passing game other than him was an aging Gonzalez, the thoroughly mediocre Jenkins, and the disappointing Douglas. The fact that Turner is completely useless in the passing game probably doesn't help, either. Don't get me wrong, I still think he's a clear WR1, and I don't argue with taking him very early, just that I think I probably slightly favor a handful of other guys over him, unless ATL does some things to make themselves more dynamic on offense.

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I am surprised to see Vick go as QB1. When he was healthy he put up good numbers. I only ask because I did not take the time to look, but how many seasons was he able to stay healthy for the full 16 games (1 or 2)? He does not have a good track record of staying healthy for a full season, so if I were to draft him I would dang well better be able to get a solid backup.

I agree with most of this, but he put up fantastic, not good, numbers when healthy this year. I can understand the temptation to burn a very early pick on him; I just don't think I'd do it, personally.
Yes, he did put up fantastic numbers, just like he did in 2002 and 2006. In each of those 3 years he finished as QB3 (according to pro-football-reference). In 02 he played in 15 games and in 06 it was 16 games. The thing that scares me is that I think QB3 is more than likely his upside. In his other 2 years of full time duty he finished as QB12/QB11. The optimist looks at 5 years of full time play and finishing top 3 in three of them. The pessimist sees him coming off of a career year and is saying he is being drafted to high.

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Anyone else a little concerned about Roddy White down the stretch last year? After around week 10, his numbers really tailed off, and his YPC during those games took a nosedive (around 10.0 per). I haven't looked into it too much, but it seems like teams may have just completely sold out on defense to slow Roddy, knowing that all ATL had in the passing game other than him was an aging Gonzalez, the thoroughly mediocre Jenkins, and the disappointing Douglas. The fact that Turner is completely useless in the passing game probably doesn't help, either. Don't get me wrong, I still think he's a clear WR1, and I don't argue with taking him very early, just that I think I probably slightly favor a handful of other guys over him, unless ATL does some things to make themselves more dynamic on offense.

I find it hard to believe Atlanta wouldn't bring in a little more help around the guy. Also, his QB is still very young and should improve and grow in his own right. Roddy White is an interesting WR in that it's hard to imagine him ever leading the league in receptions or yards...but it's equally hard to imagine him falling out of the top 6 or 7. I probably won't have him in the top 3 come August, but here in January I can't think of many other receivers I trust as much to finish as a high end WR1.

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Anyone else a little concerned about Roddy White down the stretch last year? After around week 10, his numbers really tailed off, and his YPC during those games took a nosedive (around 10.0 per). I haven't looked into it too much, but it seems like teams may have just completely sold out on defense to slow Roddy, knowing that all ATL had in the passing game other than him was an aging Gonzalez, the thoroughly mediocre Jenkins, and the disappointing Douglas. The fact that Turner is completely useless in the passing game probably doesn't help, either. Don't get me wrong, I still think he's a clear WR1, and I don't argue with taking him very early, just that I think I probably slightly favor a handful of other guys over him, unless ATL does some things to make themselves more dynamic on offense.

Yeppers....I'll jump on that concern.White's targets dropped significantly, and/or his catch percentage declined, come week's #11 through 17, suggesting that he was bracketed and taken out of games as teams analyzed how White was beating them like a rug.From an incredible 23 targets in week #1 (PIT) he dropped to 5 targets in Week #16 (NOS). In weeks #13 through #15, he had significant targets: 16 (NOS), 14 (CAR) and 13 (SEA) but managed only 22 catches out of those 43 total targets, suggesting that he was defended differently. He enjoyed a 64% catch rate for the season so something changed in the late season.White is still a top 10 WR talent (his 179 total targets is in Wayne territory) and he's in need of a compliment weapon to keep DEF's honest. The late season pattern sugggests that his targets will drop, as ATL adds WR talent for help, or his catch percentage will suffer as teams adjust to the ATL attack.

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RE: Bowe at the 2.02.

I carried this slug for four years in a contract League and could stand it no more, dropping him after fortifying with B. Lloyd in the Week #3 wavier processing.

My rational was that I couldn't justify him as even a bye week start for the rest of the season and his roster spot was no longer his. He was, as I rationalized, destined to mediocracy for basically forever.

This move didn't cost as much as I thought when Bowe was shut out (0 for 3 targets) in the DEN loss in Week #13, Week #1 for that League's playoff. Bowe is a talent that fits this format perfectly.

I am now consuming large quantities of crow by putting him in the 2.02 slot.

Spare me, Lord.

:tumbleweed:

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RE: Bowe at the 2.02.I carried this slug for four years in a contract League and could stand it no more, dropping him after fortifying with B. Lloyd in the Week #3 wavier processing.My rational was that I couldn't justify him as even a bye week start for the rest of the season and his roster spot was no longer his. He was, as I rationalized, destined to mediocracy for basically forever.This move didn't cost as much as I thought when Bowe was shut out (0 for 3 targets) in the DEN loss in Week #13, Week #1 for that League's playoff. Bowe is a talent that fits this format perfectly.I am now consuming large quantities of crow by putting him in the 2.02 slot.Spare me, Lord.:goodposting:

I'd be really surprised if he's on any of my teams next year.

2007-08 Kansas City 16 70 995 62.2 14.2 5 2008-09 Kansas City 16 86 1022 63.9 11.9 7 2009-10 Kansas City 11 47 589 53.5 12.5 4 2010-11 Kansas City 16 72 1162 72.6 16.1 15

To me, those 15 TD in 2010 SCREAM regression to the mean in 2011. I think he'll certainly be a nice, solid WR2 type next year, 1000 or so yards, 7-8 TD, but I just don't see anywhere near 15 TD in that offense. Cassel had 27 TD, but threw for only 3100 or so yards, which doesn't seem like something that is likely to happen again.

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Frank Gore will be an interesting guy to deal with next year also. He's now successfully played in 16 games once in 6 years, so the injury risk almost goes without saying. In 2010, he was averaging a career low 4.2 YPC (certainly still respectable, of course), and then he suffered a fractured hip, taking him out of 5 games. He's now dealt with fairly major knee, shoulder, and hip injuries, and is creeping closer to the dreaded RB age of 30. Though he hasn't had a huge workload (he's only had 300 carries once in his career), you have to wonder if the wheels will start to come off of Gore at some point soon.

With that said, the WCO that Harbaugh is going to run is good news for a back like Gore, who is talented in the receiving department. My guess is that he's got one, maybe two more productive seasons left in him, and he'll live up to a early-mid 2nd round pick in 12 team redrafts in 2011. But, given what looks like decent RB depth in the early rounds, and his pretty substantial injury risk, he's probably not a guy I draft.

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Not much to add at this point... Count me in with those who didn't have the nads to take Vick so early. I would feel I needed to take QB2 way too early in this format where normally I feel like if I make that stretch to pick QB1 early, I might even roll with just 1 QB or at least wait a long while.

As for my 1st pick of Andre Johnson, my hesitation was because ever since Sunday Night I felt like it was my destiny to wind up with Mendenhall after he pretty much stuck his foot up Rex's ###.

I resisted though hoping to catch some RB value later on.

Happy to Get Witten at 2.9!!!!!

Last year I DOMINATED this league.... :cough: ok ok ok, My team was the definition of Survivor with someone coming up big each week.. But, without Gates last year I would have been long gone and even though he was out at the end, Gates gave me that shot and bailed me out quite a few weeks. So, I'm happy to start off again with a top TE....

Last year I started Moss / Gates.... Hopefully I'm starting off with more firepower here than what Moss gave me.

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Felt like I was picking at the end of a tier at 01.08. Glad to get SJax in the second although it remains to be seen if the McDaniels offense will be good or bad for him. Time to focus on my receivers.

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Loved getting Forte in the second. Most people call Forte a mediocre runner in a good situation, but I tend to think that he's actually a very good NFL RB. There are better receivers, better runners, and better blockers, but there are only a handfull of RB's that can be called "average to above average" in all three phases. IN the end, I think Forte is generally under-rated and will again put up low end RB1 numbers consistant with a low first/early 2nd round pricetag, but usually available late 2nd or even early third (12 team).

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passed on RBs like Gore and Forte to land two stud WRs in Calvin Johnson and Hakeem Nicks. If both finish top-5 as expected, I'll have a strong core to build around. WRs feel like more of a sure thing and I wanted to keep things safe at this point.

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Loved getting Forte in the second. Most people call Forte a mediocre runner in a good situation, but I tend to think that he's actually a very good NFL RB. There are better receivers, better runners, and better blockers, but there are only a handfull of RB's that can be called "average to above average" in all three phases. IN the end, I think Forte is generally under-rated and will again put up low end RB1 numbers consistant with a low first/early 2nd round pricetag, but usually available late 2nd or even early third (12 team).

agreed

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passed on RBs like Gore and Forte to land two stud WRs in Calvin Johnson and Hakeem Nicks. If both finish top-5 as expected, I'll have a strong core to build around. WRs feel like more of a sure thing and I wanted to keep things safe at this point.

having to start 3 each week makes this a pretty solid play at the end of the draft...

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Felt like I was picking at the end of a tier at 01.08. Glad to get SJax in the second although it remains to be seen if the McDaniels offense will be good or bad for him. Time to focus on my receivers.

only thing missing from his fantasy line has been TDs, and with Bradford hopefully maturing and having more weapons, plus an offensive mind that can put together schemes that move a unit up and down the field, I think Sjax could easily be back in the top 5 in 2011.:popcorn:

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RE: Bowe at the 2.02.I carried this slug for four years in a contract League and could stand it no more, dropping him after fortifying with B. Lloyd in the Week #3 wavier processing.My rational was that I couldn't justify him as even a bye week start for the rest of the season and his roster spot was no longer his. He was, as I rationalized, destined to mediocracy for basically forever.This move didn't cost as much as I thought when Bowe was shut out (0 for 3 targets) in the DEN loss in Week #13, Week #1 for that League's playoff. Bowe is a talent that fits this format perfectly.I am now consuming large quantities of crow by putting him in the 2.02 slot.Spare me, Lord.:tumbleweed:

Not loving him that early simply because his production was so sporadic and should continue to be with the Chiefs likely remaining a heavy run-first team in 2011. The one thing that could help that a lot is the first place schedule that will be pretty much the opposite of this year's - from only two playoff teams (IND/SEA) to six (NE/NYJ/PIT/IND/GB/CHI) - the tougher schedule could easily force them to pass a lot more this year, making Bowe more consistent and less of a potential liability as a cornerstone in a survivor league.

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Add me to the chorus of Vick skeptics that high - mainly because of injury history, but also because he might have lasted to the mid 2nd when YLIU's spot came up again.

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Loved getting Forte in the second. Most people call Forte a mediocre runner in a good situation, but I tend to think that he's actually a very good NFL RB. There are better receivers, better runners, and better blockers, but there are only a handfull of RB's that can be called "average to above average" in all three phases. IN the end, I think Forte is generally under-rated and will again put up low end RB1 numbers consistant with a low first/early 2nd round pricetag, but usually available late 2nd or even early third (12 team).

good call. I think Chicago has finally figured out that their team is better when their offense runs through Forte, not Cutler.

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Half speed = March. :lmao:

Full speed = mid-February. :lmao::wub:

Pedal ------> Medal --------> a LOT more than 12 picks in 36 hrs. :lmao:

Stepping it up is priceless. :thumbup:

Suggestion: email the guy that's up then send another email :lmao: alerting the guy on deck that it's rollin' his way. :thumbdown:

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I was pretty happy to snag Austin at 2.15. Obviously, his numbers were down from 2009, but he still had a respectable 1,000+ yd, 7 TD season after losing Romo early in the year. I think his numbers creep back up into the 1100/9-10 range next year with Romo back.

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Here's hoping Bill B. doesn't bring in some kid from Division III to replace Welker after his now-infamous press conference. Coming off a pretty major injury, he still snagged almost 90 passes, which makes him very valuable in this format. I'd not be very surprised to see him get back to 100+ catches next year, so I feel like he's a very safe PPR pick here and forms a good 1-2 punch for me with Austin.

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Pretty happy with my balanced start (McCoy/Rodgers/Marshall). I expect Marshall to come back around with hopefully a more stable and able QB.

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I just couldn't pass up Peterson at the 1.4, even for RBs that have a better PPR profile - one of these years he's going to have the crazy 2K/20 TD type numbers and I don't want to miss it at #4. He has also been more involved than people think as a receiver, averaging about 40 receptions over the last two years. Any of the three RBs that went after him would have been fine picks too. Good year to have the 7th pick in a PPR league.

Peyton was my target at 2.13 - durable and a very consistent producer - this year even through losing two of his top weapons for big chunks of the season. Im happy to nail down a stud QB early in a 16 teamer and not have to worry about getting caught on the wrong side of a run before my 4/5 picks. I could have chanced one of Peyton/Brees/Brady falling thru to 3.4 and taken my other target (Finley), but I was worried about all 3 teams picking between my picks getting two shots at what I think were undervalued stud QBs.

Finley was a slam dunk at 3.4 and I was nervous about not taking him at 2.13, but I thought he had a better chance of sliding than Peyton Manning. He was on pace for 84/1200 when he went down, and I think he should be good for that next year, if not more. He should be a co-#1 target for Rodgers along with Jennings. I saw a decent-sized drop from him to the next group of TEs, and again, didnt want to have to worry about runs at a scarcer position being at the beginning/end of rounds instead of in the middle.

So far I like Reaper's AJ/Witten start and Jeter's McCoy/Rodgers/BM start best of the competition. BM was likely my pick if Finley had been sniped.

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Finley was a slam dunk at 3.4 and I was nervous about not taking him at 2.13, but I thought he had a better chance of sliding than Peyton Manning. He was on pace for 84/1200 when he went down, and I think he should be good for that next year, if not more. He should be a co-#1 target for Rodgers along with Jennings. I saw a decent-sized drop from him to the next group of TEs, and again, didnt want to have to worry about runs at a scarcer position being at the beginning/end of rounds instead of in the middle.

So far I like Reaper's AJ/Witten start and Jeter's McCoy/Rodgers/BM start best of the competition. BM was likely my pick if Finley had been sniped.

Wow...you like him for those kind of numbers? No doubt, he was off to an awfully good start, but don't you think it's pretty tough to extrapolate 1200+ yards (MONSTER tight end production) from less than four games this year. I'm a big Finley fan, and I have zero problem with where you picked him, just a little surprised to hear you make such a bold projection. Look forward to hearing your more detailed thoughts as I'm a fan of your work here.

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Finley was a slam dunk at 3.4 and I was nervous about not taking him at 2.13, but I thought he had a better chance of sliding than Peyton Manning. He was on pace for 84/1200 when he went down, and I think he should be good for that next year, if not more. He should be a co-#1 target for Rodgers along with Jennings. I saw a decent-sized drop from him to the next group of TEs, and again, didnt want to have to worry about runs at a scarcer position being at the beginning/end of rounds instead of in the middle.

So far I like Reaper's AJ/Witten start and Jeter's McCoy/Rodgers/BM start best of the competition. BM was likely my pick if Finley had been sniped.

Wow...you like him for those kind of numbers? No doubt, he was off to an awfully good start, but don't you think it's pretty tough to extrapolate 1200+ yards (MONSTER tight end production) from less than four games this year. I'm a big Finley fan, and I have zero problem with where you picked him, just a little surprised to hear you make such a bold projection. Look forward to hearing your more detailed thoughts as I'm a fan of your work here.
well he was able to catch 21 balls on only 26 targets (!) - in fact, in three of his four games, he only had 4 catches. So actually, his production wasn't that crazy out of the gate. That only projects to 104 targets - for comparison Witten led TEs with 128 and Cooley had 127. Maybe Finley doesn't have quite the scalding 80%ish catch rate, but I think there is room for more targets, especially with Driver declining and Jones entering FA. The yardage isn't that outlandish because Finley runs a lot more downfield routes than most TEs, he is pretty much a WR. Let's also keep in mind that Finley is only turning 24 in March. In other words, he is just now entering his prime physically, and he should be ready to take on a Gates-like role for this team. He has the talent and more than capable QB to do it.

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Andre Johnson WR

Jason Witten TE

Ryan Mathews RB

So, I have the draft forum open last night and the wife comes in the room "Are you doing a draft ALREADY?"

Me: "Haven't you gotten it yet....

THIS NEVER ENDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" :confused:

As for the Mathews pick... man, I had a list of 6 or so guys I liked and Mathews wasn't on it...

After checking byes I crossed off 2 guys and I was left with No WR's or QB's I liked value wise.

So looking at the RB's I was left with a few guys with talent that haven't done it yet and/or aren't guaranteed a starting spot or are on teams in flux.... A few I'll discuss after they get taken...

With Mathews at this point as my RB1, I at least know A) He has a starting job and B) He's on a good Stable offense. also C) I expect a comeback year and hopefully a healthier one - Would love to hear from BSS and Charger homers.

I would have taken Brandon Marshall if he lasted - To me, that situation is a carbon copy of Fitzgerald who goes earlier and I like to highlight what I consider carbon copy plays for value.... Can't deny the talent of BM.....

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Andre Johnson WR

Jason Witten TE

Ryan Mathews RB

So, I have the draft forum open last night and the wife comes in the room "Are you doing a draft ALREADY?"

Me: "Haven't you gotten it yet....

THIS NEVER ENDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" :thumbup:

Gotta :shrug: that....my wife can't understand that part either. I have a standard retort when she asks me "....well, who's playing now?" Answer: "Little Sister's Of The Poor vs. The Hawaiiian All-Stars."

Re: the "Law Firm" pick. I wasn't absolutely sure he'd last until my next pick, some two picks from now. I was real certain he'd not last until two turns from now, some thirty picks down the road. I'll wait and see what his ADP is as he's a RFA and will sift out/remain in NEP me thinks.

Winkin', blinkin' and nod: Hillis, Bowe and Ben, all high risk picks but who's not a high risk anymore after about the first 30 picks?

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Several things to comment on - sorry, been driving / shoveling / sledding the past 2-3 days.

Forte - knew Rene was all over him. He's a big fan of his "undervalue" - although not sure a mid-2nd pick is low value. I do like the upside.

Round 1 - Peyton Hillis in Round 1 feels like a reach to me. I know, I know - he delivered - but what happened when teams (good teams) started to say "take away Hillis, CLE is done". Hillis got shut down. I still think he has value but I'd be very surprised if the Browns don't try and throw more and - more to the point - use more of a RBBC to take some of the workload off his shoulders.

Round 2 - Bowe went a tad early, but I get it. Wouldn't take him over DeSean personally in a best ball league. In a lineup league probably, but DeSean can explode more and TDs are more fluky. I agree that Bowe's TDs go down next year.

Quite the QB run at the back end there. Almost went QB at 2.14 but knew only 2 more could / would go and I'd be fine with any of 3 guys (got my 2nd choice after Brees, who will have a great year) and I didn't like the other names coming up for my WR1. Could have gone Maclin but wanted a big time playmaker so I took DeSean.

Pick 3 was easy for me - Brady. Last of the Top 6 IMHO.

Don't like Austin at the turn there though - I think he doesn't put up WR1 numbers next year. Mike Williams is a ballsy pick but I like that. Not a fan of the Boldin pick, but WR2s aren't stellar at first blush. Glad I got my WR1 already because it looks a lot like WR2/3BC the rest of the way.

Interesting to see when / who the next QB is.

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I agree some with Jeff in that I like the Williams pick. I think he will be ok as the WR1 in Tampa as long as Freeman continues to mature as a quarterback. Williams, Maclin, and Boldin were on my short list of possibles at 3/4. Mason can't last forever in Baltimore and Maclin makes a good WR2.

I went Bradshaw in the 3rd as I wanted a decent back for RB2 and felt like he was the best of the rest out there. Went QB at 4 because Eli should put up good numbers again this year and I did not want to cobble together a QBBC out of what would be left when it came back to me. Looks like I will be going WR2/3BC also close to this end of the draft also.

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reaper what byes are you referring to?

I was just trying to avoid players on the same team... I crossed off Romo and Dez Bryant for that round BUT, wound up pulling the trigger anyway a round later. Rationalizing that with the fact that I'll have another QB, hopefully without the same bye...I just like Romo a lot this year and I'm Looking for a nice rebound in Dallas post Phillips.... Romo has 3 targets that go very high in these drafts in Witten, Dez and Austin.... Hoping he will be in the elite QB range.

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Romo was a steal, shouldn't be too far off the elite QBs, if he is even off at all - again not picking in the middle of the rounds hurts as thats where the value is harvested.

same goes for Stewart. He should be going in the mid 2nd of these drafts, and I wouldn't be shocked at all if he is a top 10 back in 2011. Another massive value that stings to have missed.

Agreed on BJGE reach. With two firsts (really 3 having the first pick of the second round), NE will be able to take an elite RB, and even if they don't draft one, I would expect them to go after a back out of the deep free agent class. I really like BJGE (we profiled him on Draftguys TV), but I think NE knows that they can get more out of the RB position. BJGE is one of the biggest sell highs out there right now.

Not really sure why Lloyd isn't getting more respect. I would have been thrilled to see him fall to my next pick. He's the perfect WR for Tebow - just wing it up there and he'll adjust. Already saw this in action at the end of the season. Lloyd is one of the best buy lows going right now.

obviously, Im pretty jealous of those of you that drew mid round draft slots right now. Jeter is looking very strong at this point (as usual)

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Romo was a steal, shouldn't be too far off the elite QBs, if he is even off at all - again not picking in the middle of the rounds hurts as thats where the value is harvested.same goes for Stewart. He should be going in the mid 2nd of these drafts, and I wouldn't be shocked at all if he is a top 10 back in 2011. Another massive value that stings to have missed.Agreed on BJGE reach. With two firsts (really 3 having the first pick of the second round), NE will be able to take an elite RB, and even if they don't draft one, I would expect them to go after a back out of the deep free agent class. I really like BJGE (we profiled him on Draftguys TV), but I think NE knows that they can get more out of the RB position. BJGE is one of the biggest sell highs out there right now.Not really sure why Lloyd isn't getting more respect. I would have been thrilled to see him fall to my next pick. He's the perfect WR for Tebow - just wing it up there and he'll adjust. Already saw this in action at the end of the season. Lloyd is one of the best buy lows going right now.obviously, Im pretty jealous of those of you that drew mid round draft slots right now. Jeter is looking very strong at this point (as usual)

Romo was 3rd on my QB list at 3.03. Steal this late, plain and simple.Lloyd isn't getting as much respect because he put up most of his production in the first 1/2 of 2010 with Orton and that scenario is gone.

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To the Roddy White discussion. If Atlanta doesn't clearly realize they must address their WR2 position this year, this team will not go any further than they did this past year. It was clearly evident this is a big stumbling block for them late in the season as defenses coordinators figured this out.

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Lloyd isn't getting as much respect because he put up most of his production in the first 1/2 of 2010 with Orton and that scenario is gone.

4/79/15/1115/73/1in the three games with Tebow as a starter. speaks for itself

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Lloyd isn't getting as much respect because he put up most of his production in the first 1/2 of 2010 with Orton and that scenario is gone.

4/79/15/1115/73/1in the three games with Tebow as a starter. speaks for itself
Sure he put up good numbers in those 3 games. No question.However - what's the system going to be next year in Denver? Are teams going to be more ready for Tebow and Lloyd next year with 3 games on film now? Will Lloyd come back to earth - or should I say, the craptastic efforts he had prior to this amazing season?I think Lloyd's a great WR2 but I don't think he should be a Top 10 pick. I think him getting picked around WR15-20 is about right given the potential downside. Denver might actually get a defense next year and a ground game that would limit the passing attack.

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Phillip Rivers QB SDC

Ray Rice RB BAL

Mike Williams WR TBB

Kenny Britt WR TEN

Happy with this start. Rice and Rivers seemed like no brainers to me. Both of their situations should improve next year with VJax probably getting re-signed and McGahee likely playing elsewhere.

I wanted Finley at 3.5, but of course Bloom scooped him up. I know MW was probably a bit high, but no way was he making it back around. It was between him, VJax, and Marshall there for me. Didn't go VJax with Rivers in tow - maybe that was a mistake? I like MW's QB situation a lot more than whatever Marshall has next year.

Britt seems like pretty good value at 4.12

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Britt seems like pretty good value at 4.12

would have been very pleased to get him if you had passed. terrific value - if he stays healthy and keeps his head on straight, should be good for 60/1000/10 at least and a handful of top 5/10 weeks which is key in survivor

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Britt seems like pretty good value at 4.12

would have been very pleased to get him if you had passed. terrific value - if he stays healthy and keeps his head on straight, should be good for 60/1000/10 at least and a handful of top 5/10 weeks which is key in survivor
As I mentioned in the draft thread - all 3 of you guys grabbed the next WR on my list. Not sure how I'd rank them - probably Johnson, Britt then Rice - but you all picked them off nicely. Well done.I thought Rice might slip through, as he was injured and his numbers were down. No such luck. QB in MIN will be the big issue.Decided I'd go in another direction with Chris Cooley - a Top TE last year (actually #2 in catches, held back with just 3 TDs). Thought he was great value there.

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Britt seems like pretty good value at 4.12

would have been very pleased to get him if you had passed. terrific value - if he stays healthy and keeps his head on straight, should be good for 60/1000/10 at least and a handful of top 5/10 weeks which is key in survivor
with who at QB?

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I had Big Ben and Romo neck and neck, and felt like they were both good values at the time. Would have been equally pleased with either one of them but just happened to type Ben first on my short list early this AM.

Actually, I had Ben and Romo on my short list for the PREVIOUS round, but Jackson first on that list.

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Britt seems like pretty good value at 4.12

would have been very pleased to get him if you had passed. terrific value - if he stays healthy and keeps his head on straight, should be good for 60/1000/10 at least and a handful of top 5/10 weeks which is key in survivor
Britt was the other guy I was considering, but decided to go with Harvin instead. Both will likely have questions at QB, but I felt like Harvin was a bit safer in PPR.

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I had Big Ben and Romo neck and neck, and felt like they were both good values at the time. Would have been equally pleased with either one of them but just happened to type Ben first on my short list early this AM.

Actually, I had Ben and Romo on my short list for the PREVIOUS round, but Jackson first on that list.

Same here.... Figure Ben with more OL help should put up some good numbers...

We're both probably happy we waited.. My plan was to wait even longer and go deep for QB's but, I didn't love anyone else at that pick at WR/RB.

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I had Big Ben and Romo neck and neck, and felt like they were both good values at the time. Would have been equally pleased with either one of them but just happened to type Ben first on my short list early this AM.Actually, I had Ben and Romo on my short list for the PREVIOUS round, but Jackson first on that list.

Jackson?

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