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I think Kolb goes to ARI or SEA, maybe MIN. Ari and Min have playoff hopes, Cin needs a qb, too many places looking for a qb. Orton will go first because of demands, but unless there is no backup to Vick otherwise, I can't imagine him staying.

Harvin is a risk because of migraines, but produces when the Min O is not favred up. S Johnson isn't that good, as in Rice,Wayne, etc, but he is the best on that team. Moss should get traded and have a decent year. The other three are bye week fodder but that is why they are WR 4-6.

I see your points but color them differently.

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4.16 AhrnCityPahnder - Sam Bradford, STL, QB145.01 AhrnCityPahnder - Tim Tebow, DEN, QB151.01 AhrnCityPahnder - Adrian Peterson, MIN, RB18.16 AhrnCityPahnder - Tashard Choice, DAL, RB389.01 AhrnCityPahnder - Danny Woodhead, NEP, RB3816.16 AhrnCityPahnder - Darren Sproles, ???, RB6018.16 AhrnCityPahnder - Isaac Redman, PIT2.16 AhrnCityPahnder - Mike Wallace, PIT, WR83.01 AhrnCityPahnder - Wes Welker, NEP, WR97.01 AhrnCityPahnder - Chad Ochocinco, ???, WR3010.16 AhrnCityPahnder - Anthony Armstrong, WAS, WR5315.01 AhrnCityPahnder - Nate Washington, TEN, WR7017.01 AhrnCityPahnder - Mohamed Massaquoi, CLE, WR786.16 AhrnCityPahnder - Brent Celek, PHI, TE1811.01 AhrnCityPahnder - Visanthe Shiancoe, MIN, TE2512.16 AhrnCityPahnder - Stephen Gostkowski,NEP, PK313.01 AhrnCityPahnder - Atlanta Falcons, DST1514.16 AhrnCityPahnder - Miami Dolphins, DST27

it seems like you're weak or average at every position :shrug:
Since they are only average, give me 5-6 teams in this draft whose WR's you like better. :popcorn:

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Since they are only average, give me 5-6 teams in this draft whose WR's you like better. :popcorn:

No Problem, here are sevenBloomReaperDpeaseTwilightNorsemanMeno BrownTefertillerI would say you are solidly in the average camp.

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Since they are only average, give me 5-6 teams in this draft whose WR's you like better. :popcorn:

No Problem, here are seven

Bloom

Reaper

Dpease

Twilight

Norseman

Meno Brown

Tefertiller

I would say you are solidly in the average camp.

I like My WR's.... But, it's close and he might have an edge depending on how you feel about Ocho and where he winds up....

2.13 Reaper - Greg Jennings, GBP, WR6

3.04 Reaper - Vincent Jackson, SDC, WR10

11.04 Reaper - Lee Evans, BUF, WR54

13.04 Reaper - Jacoby Jones, HOU, WR64

16.13 Reaper - Jordan Shipley, CIN, WR77

18.13 Reaper - Jabar Gaffney, DEN, WR93

2.16 AhrnCityPahnder - Mike Wallace, PIT, WR8

3.01 AhrnCityPahnder - Wes Welker, NEP, WR9

7.01 AhrnCityPahnder - Chad Ochocinco, ???, WR30

10.16 AhrnCityPahnder - Anthony Armstrong, WAS, WR53

15.01 AhrnCityPahnder - Nate Washington, TEN, WR70

17.01 AhrnCityPahnder - Mohamed Massaquoi, CLE, WR78

I wouldn't argue too hard either way but, I'm open to hear some praise for my WR squad........ Go>

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4.04 Pictus Cat - Matt Schaub, HOU, QB11 (11)

7.13 Pictus Cat - Carson Palmer, ???, QB24 (???)

10.04 Pictus Cat - Andy Dalton, CIN, QB32 (7)

Schaub's weapons should be healthier, so at QB 11 he has a lot of upside based on past performance with this group. CIN QB for a by has nice weapons too, plus a shot at 3rd QB. I wish i could have gotten a better value pick on Palmer.

1.13 Pictus Cat - Steven Jackson, STL, RB9 (5)

2.04 Pictus Cat - Frank Gore, SFF, RB11 (7)

5.13 Pictus Cat - Deangelo Williams, CAR, RB24 (9)

SJax hasn't had it this good, Frank Gore should give good PPG, and DWill has performed well in the Carolina commitee with a shot to go improve his situation

3.13 Pictus Cat - Jeremy Maclin, PHI, WR16 (7)

8.04 Pictus Cat - Mike Thomas, JAX, WR36 (9)

9.13 Pictus Cat - Derrick Mason, BAL, WR47 (5)

13.13 Pictus Cat - Donald Driver, GBP, WR66 (8)

14.04 Pictus Cat - Kevin Walter, HOU, WR68 (11)

18.04 Pictus Cat - Damian Williams, TEN, WR88 (6)

I like this group, Damian could be TEN WR1, Kevin Walter has performed in the past, Drivier and Mason don't know they're done, Thomas and Maclin make a servicable 1-2.

6.04 Pictus Cat - Tony Gonzalez, ATL, TE11 (8)

17.13 Pictus Cat - Fred Davis, WAS, TE32 (5)

Gonzo gets to work the seam with Roddy taking a corner and safety, JJ taking a corner and LBs watching for JR & Turner. More ops. Davis seem to have the best ops from what was left.

15.13 Pictus Cat - Ryan Succup, KCC, PK18 (6)

16.04 Pictus Cat - Shaun Suisham, PIT, PK22 (11)

11.13 Pictus Cat - New England Patriots, DST6 (7)

12.04 Pictus Cat - Chicago Bears, DST8 (8)

Overall my team has very good balance on bye weeks and weaknesses (QB2 strength, RB depth, WR punch, TE depth) with upside at each position (Possible 3 QBs, 3 very good RBs rollin', Steady fill for WR 1, 2, 3 #, TE upside.)

We kinda died. Thanks LHucks for a quick comment on my WRs. Anyone have anything else?

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4.04 Pictus Cat - Matt Schaub, HOU, QB11 (11)

7.13 Pictus Cat - Carson Palmer, ???, QB24 (???)

10.04 Pictus Cat - Andy Dalton, CIN, QB32 (7)

Schaub's weapons should be healthier, so at QB 11 he has a lot of upside based on past performance with this group. CIN QB for a by has nice weapons too, plus a shot at 3rd QB. I wish i could have gotten a better value pick on Palmer.

1.13 Pictus Cat - Steven Jackson, STL, RB9 (5)

2.04 Pictus Cat - Frank Gore, SFF, RB11 (7)

5.13 Pictus Cat - Deangelo Williams, CAR, RB24 (9)

SJax hasn't had it this good, Frank Gore should give good PPG, and DWill has performed well in the Carolina commitee with a shot to go improve his situation

3.13 Pictus Cat - Jeremy Maclin, PHI, WR16 (7)

8.04 Pictus Cat - Mike Thomas, JAX, WR36 (9)

9.13 Pictus Cat - Derrick Mason, BAL, WR47 (5)

13.13 Pictus Cat - Donald Driver, GBP, WR66 (8)

14.04 Pictus Cat - Kevin Walter, HOU, WR68 (11)

18.04 Pictus Cat - Damian Williams, TEN, WR88 (6)

I like this group, Damian could be TEN WR1, Kevin Walter has performed in the past, Drivier and Mason don't know they're done, Thomas and Maclin make a servicable 1-2.

6.04 Pictus Cat - Tony Gonzalez, ATL, TE11 (8)

17.13 Pictus Cat - Fred Davis, WAS, TE32 (5)

Gonzo gets to work the seam with Roddy taking a corner and safety, JJ taking a corner and LBs watching for JR & Turner. More ops. Davis seem to have the best ops from what was left.

15.13 Pictus Cat - Ryan Succup, KCC, PK18 (6)

16.04 Pictus Cat - Shaun Suisham, PIT, PK22 (11)

11.13 Pictus Cat - New England Patriots, DST6 (7)

12.04 Pictus Cat - Chicago Bears, DST8 (8)

Overall my team has very good balance on bye weeks and weaknesses (QB2 strength, RB depth, WR punch, TE depth) with upside at each position (Possible 3 QBs, 3 very good RBs rollin', Steady fill for WR 1, 2, 3 #, TE upside.)

We kinda died. Thanks LHucks for a quick comment on my WRs. Anyone have anything else?
Alright I'll say what I think.

QB's- You spent a 7th round pick on a QB who is likely to not play this season and if he does it probably comes at the expense of your 10th rounder because I don't think Palmer is getting traded. I like Schaub but unless I'm wrong and Palmer gets traded you used 4th, 7th, and 10th round picks and all you will have to show for it is Schaub and rookie QB. That's not enough for that investment. If Palmer returns to Cincy you wasted a 10th rounder. Only way this works out for you is if they trade Palmer.

RB's- Terrific 3. I think Deangelo is going to be a steal were you got him. On SJAX he's looking so solid right now but I still fear Mcdaniels history or RB usage suggests he's going to bring in another RB to complement SJAX. In the end a solid group of 3 but it's scary small number which gives you almost no margin for error.

WR- Maclin probably wont' duplicate those TD numbers but should at least be a 10-20th ranked type WR. Mike Thomas was a steal were you got him. If Jacoby Jones exits Houston Walter is going to be a big pickup in the 14th but as of now he's a question mark. I feel production from every one of these WR's other than Maclin and Thomas is going to be pretty spotty and on the whole lacking but you have enough numbers to be solid at the position, but not spectacular. And I think your comment that Damian Williams could be the Titans #1 WR is way off base. Britt is head and shoulders above him and it's not close.

TE- Gonzo should be able to give you a solid year but I think he's a rapidly declining player and a big reason I think the Falcons made such a major push to get another weapon to go with Roddy. I think he continues to decline but even with if he drops down to the 60 or high 50+ type of catch numbers he should be solid. But than he's 35 and it's possible his play slips dramatically and that's going to cause a huge hole in your lineup because you can't expect much from Davis when Cooley is upright.

D- Two above average D's with top 5-10 potential.

K- Enough to get the job done.

Overall I think the only position that has a chance to be really strong is RB and the numbers are a little thin. All the other positions I see as average or less than average. You also drafted a ton of old players whose production already looked like it was slipping last year. Palmer, Driver, Mason, Gonzo and you might include SJAX in this group due to usage and production decrease. Father time is undefeated and not sure if these guys have another year left or if you we are not going to see further decline or outright falling off the proverbial cliff by a few of the guys in this group.

I'd give the team an overall grade of a C+.

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Palmer was definitely a mistake. I just missed McCoy. I think Palmer will get traded, but I could have gotten him later.

It is hard to imagine Sjax sharing this year. He is just too good.

I'll stand by my WRs.

While Quizz & Jones get worked in, Gonzo may find better production with his ops.

Thank you for your comments. Somw good points.

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Palmer was definitely a mistake. I just missed McCoy. I think Palmer will get traded, but I could have gotten him later.It is hard to imagine Sjax sharing this year. He is just too good.I'll stand by my WRs. While Quizz & Jones get worked in, Gonzo may find better production with his ops. Thank you for your comments. Somw good points.

Feel free to grade/rip my team. I already know the obvious, everyone is going to say my TE's suck and I don't have enough WR's. Both may be true but any other opinions from you or anyone else I'll take.

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2.05 MenoBrown - Peyton Manning, IND, QB3

8.05 MenoBrown - Matt Hasselbeck, ???, QB28

1.12 MenoBrown - Darren McFadden, OAK, RB8

6.05 MenoBrown - Marshawn Lynch, SEA, RB27

9.12 MenoBrown - Roy Helu, WAS, RB39

10.05 MenoBrown - Ryan Torain, WAS, RB42

3.12 MenoBrown - Mike Williams, TBB, WR15

4.05 MenoBrown - Dez Bryant, DAL, WR19

5.12 MenoBrown - Kenny Britt, TEN, WR26

16.05 MenoBrown - Brandon Lafell, CAR, WR74

18.05 MenoBrown - Roscoe Parrish, BUF, WR89

7.12 MenoBrown - Tony Moeaki, KCC, TE20

12.05 MenoBrown - Jeremy Shockey, CAR, TE28

14.05 MenoBrown - Anthony Fasano, MIA, TE29

13.12 MenoBrown - Josh Brown, STL, PK7

17.12 MenoBrown - Joe Nedney, SFF, PK28

15.12 MenoBrown - Houston Texans, DST30

11.12 MenoBrown - Green Bay Packers, DST5

Why 3rd TE vs a customary 6th WR?

LOL. No one told me 6 WR's were customary.

Answer: I think my top 3 WR's are studs. My top TE is not strong. My top two TE's are players with a good amount of injury history. Feel I'll get more use out of my 3rd TE than 6th WR.

Very good at QB.

Three swing for fence at RB.

WR - Good 1/2, WR 3 & bye weeks harder fill + Britt's Marshall like knuckle-headedess

TE - I considered Moeaki when you took him. Probably at value. Backups are hit or miss.

Like your Ds & PKs.

Overall, if McD & Lynch are top 10 and WR 3 spot can fill, good things ahead.

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I like Damian Williams. And I like what Pictus had to say on him.

QB's are fine even with spending x pick probably. Schuabb is the type of guy you need to build around. RB is awesome if only going 3. Much better than the other team that I saw try this. Llucks maybe. WR is okay. I think Thomas is not a #2 guy personally. So 2, 3 and a bunch of old guys but I do like Damian(I find it funny that Meno says what he did as he owns Britt. Britt is a punk and will never be as good as he should be. No desire. TE is old again and declining and Davis is crap backup. Susiaham is not guaranteed any job. In fact I think he loses it before all is said and done. But wait and see as most do on PK

Meno' team. Solid QB for sure as Hass will get a job. RB is not what I like but agree with 2 being big hit or misses. Who wants Washington anything. WR is okay. I am not a huge Britt fan and just dont know what Dez gets his head on straight. Best bet is option 3. Last 2 are waste and rather have had Damian Williams than either. TE is less than Avg and again at PK, Nedney is no guarantee to be kicking in NFL. Quite a few rookie FA PK's that just might get jobs.

I like Pictus team better out of this two

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I like Damian Williams. And I like what Pictus had to say on him. QB's are fine even with spending x pick probably. Schuabb is the type of guy you need to build around. RB is awesome if only going 3. Much better than the other team that I saw try this. Llucks maybe. WR is okay. I think Thomas is not a #2 guy personally. So 2, 3 and a bunch of old guys but I do like Damian(I find it funny that Meno says what he did as he owns Britt. Britt is a punk and will never be as good as he should be. No desire. TE is old again and declining and Davis is crap backup. Susiaham is not guaranteed any job. In fact I think he loses it before all is said and done. But wait and see as most do on PKMeno' team. Solid QB for sure as Hass will get a job. RB is not what I like but agree with 2 being big hit or misses. Who wants Washington anything. WR is okay. I am not a huge Britt fan and just dont know what Dez gets his head on straight. Best bet is option 3. Last 2 are waste and rather have had Damian Williams than either. TE is less than Avg and again at PK, Nedney is no guarantee to be kicking in NFL. Quite a few rookie FA PK's that just might get jobs. I like Pictus team better out of this two

Thanks for the comments.Here are a few trailing thoughts I have:Damian Williams is battling Nate Washington for a starting job. He might have some nice redraft value but Britt's a stud. All I can say about him is what I've always said about him. Look at his game logs when Kerry Collins is QB versus when Vince was the QB. Difference is night and day. I don't view DMAC or Lynch as hit or miss guys. DMAC in particular was the #2 RB in PPG last year. Like any player if they get hurt they will miss but I don't see their on field performance as hit or miss.Who wants Washington anything? Me. Their is always value in Shanny's back. Obvious problem is knowing which one. To me this is the key to my team. If someone other than Torain or Helu seizes the job I blew two picks and probably can't recover from that unless the rest of my draft was near perfect and that's probably not the case.I sure don't love my team but I don't hate it and with a few breaks I think they can compete.

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2.05 MenoBrown - Peyton Manning, IND, QB3

8.05 MenoBrown - Matt Hasselbeck, ???, QB28

1.12 MenoBrown - Darren McFadden, OAK, RB8

6.05 MenoBrown - Marshawn Lynch, SEA, RB27

9.12 MenoBrown - Roy Helu, WAS, RB39

10.05 MenoBrown - Ryan Torain, WAS, RB42

3.12 MenoBrown - Mike Williams, TBB, WR15

4.05 MenoBrown - Dez Bryant, DAL, WR19

5.12 MenoBrown - Kenny Britt, TEN, WR26

16.05 MenoBrown - Brandon Lafell, CAR, WR74

18.05 MenoBrown - Roscoe Parrish, BUF, WR89

7.12 MenoBrown - Tony Moeaki, KCC, TE20

12.05 MenoBrown - Jeremy Shockey, CAR, TE28

14.05 MenoBrown - Anthony Fasano, MIA, TE29

13.12 MenoBrown - Josh Brown, STL, PK7

17.12 MenoBrown - Joe Nedney, SFF, PK28

15.12 MenoBrown - Houston Texans, DST30

11.12 MenoBrown - Green Bay Packers, DST5

Why 3rd TE vs a customary 6th WR?

LOL. No one told me 6 WR's were customary.

Answer: I think my top 3 WR's are studs. My top TE is not strong. My top two TE's are players with a good amount of injury history. Feel I'll get more use out of my 3rd TE than 6th WR.

Very good at QB.

Three swing for fence at RB.

WR - Good 1/2, WR 3 & bye weeks harder fill + Britt's Marshall like knuckle-headedess

TE - I considered Moeaki when you took him. Probably at value. Backups are hit or miss.

Like your Ds & PKs.

Overall, if McD & Lynch are top 10 and WR 3 spot can fill, good things ahead.

Again thanks for the comments.

I'm not sure how DMAC and Lynch are being labeled hit or miss guys. Lynch certainly needs to pick it up but so far he's got little comp for carries. DMAC is just a plain hoss but he does need to shake the injury label so if that's why he's considered hit or miss I can see it but that's the same for every player.

I'm not sure what you meant about my WR's. I understand you don't like Britt. Dez and Britt both have knucklhead factors about them, maybe Mike Williams as well. But I think they all have WR1 potential and a very high floors. It's possible the lack of numbers at the position will be an issue for this team.

I just hope my TE's can not be in the bottom 3 of the league.

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