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I am interested in reading a wrestling book. I know there are a ton of biographies out there. Any recommendations? I like the behind the scenes stuff, dirt etc.

I have read quite a few of them. My list would be. I have both Jericho books on the to read list. Top 10 are all very good1 billy graham2 tery funk3 Bobby the Brain4 Mick Foley first book5 Hitman 6 Million Dollar Man7 Larry Zbyszko8 piper9 jerry lawler10 harley race11 dusty rhodes12 NWA - untold story13 rick flair14 hollywood hulk hogan15 Mick Foley 2nd book
well this should keep me busy :) Thanks for the list!

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David was always my favorite. Of all the wrestlers who left us too early, I think David was arguably the biggest loss.

I should also add Magnum TA and maybe to a lesser extent Owen as well.

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The only wrestling match I ever attended was in Greenville,SC in 1987.

The main event was:

The Road Warriors,Dusty Rhodes, and Paul Ellering

vs

Ric Flair, Arn and Tully Anderson, and JJ Dillon

Still remember it to this day!

That must have been fantastic to see live :)

Ahh, what happened to tag team wrestling? The 80's put on better 6 and 8 man tags than any regular tag match is today...

Some of my earliest memories are of tag teams (Putski and Santana, The Wild Somoans, Garea and Martel, The Moondogs etc).

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Speaking of tag teams, the height of the tag team era was to me was the Crockett Cup that ran for 3 years in the late 80's. We may never see anything like this again sadly. It was a two day knockout tournament of nothing but tag teams.

Look at the 24 teams in the 1986 version of the Crockett Cup...Holy smokes!!

* Arn Anderson and Tully Blanchard

* Giant Baba and Tiger Mask

* The Barbarian and Baron Von Raschke

* The Batten Twins (Bart and Brad)

* Black Bart and Jimmy Garvin

* Dino Bravo and Rick Martel

* Bill Dundee and Buddy Landel

* The Fabulous Ones (Steve Keirn and Stan Lane)

* The Fantastics (Bobby Fulton and Tommy Rogers)

* Manny Fernandez and Jimmy Valiant

* Ronnie Garvin and Magnum T.A.

* Chavo and Hector Guerrero

* Sam Houston and Nelson Royal

* The Italian Stallion and Koko Ware

* Bobby Jaggers and Mike Miller

* Wahoo McDaniel and Mark Youngblood

* The Midnight Express (Dennis Condrey and Bobby Eaton)

* D.J. Peterson and Brett Wayne

* The Road Warriors (Animal and Hawk

* The Rock 'n' Roll Express (Robert Gibson and Ricky Morton)

* The Russian Team (Ivan and Nikita Koloff)

* Buzz Sawyer and Rick Steiner

* The Sheepherders (Butch Miller and Luke Williams)

* Terry Taylor and Steve Williams

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The only wrestling match I ever attended was in Greenville,SC in 1987.

The main event was:

The Road Warriors,Dusty Rhodes, and Paul Ellering

vs

Ric Flair, Arn and Tully Anderson, and JJ Dillon

Still remember it to this day!

That must have been fantastic to see live :)

Ahh, went happened to tag team wrestling? The 80's put on better 6 and 8 man tags than any regular tag match is today...

Some of my earliest memories are of tag teams (Putski and Santana, The Wild Somoans, Garea and Martel, The Moondogs etc).

Tag teams are going the way of the Dodo, and it mainly comes down to economics. Why pay for 4 people to wrestle one match when you can pay those same 4 people to wrestle 2 matches for the same price.

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Tag teams are going the way of the Dodo, and it mainly comes down to economics. Why pay for 4 people to wrestle one match when you can pay those same 4 people to wrestle 2 matches for the same price.

The same economics applies to the death of midget wrestling. Why pay the same salary and only get half the wrestler?

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Speaking of tag teams, the height of the tag team era was to me was the Crockett Cup that ran for 3 years in the late 80's. We may never see anything like this again sadly. It was a two day knockout tournament of nothing but tag teams.

Look at the 24 teams in the 1986 version of the Crockett Cup...Holy smokes!!

* Arn Anderson and Tully Blanchard

* Giant Baba and Tiger Mask

* The Barbarian and Baron Von Raschke

* The Batten Twins (Bart and Brad)

* Black Bart and Jimmy Garvin

* Dino Bravo and Rick Martel

* Bill Dundee and Buddy Landel

* The Fabulous Ones (Steve Keirn and Stan Lane)

* The Fantastics (Bobby Fulton and Tommy Rogers)

* Manny Fernandez and Jimmy Valiant

* Ronnie Garvin and Magnum T.A.

* Chavo and Hector Guerrero

* Sam Houston and Nelson Royal

* The Italian Stallion and Koko Ware

* Bobby Jaggers and Mike Miller

* Wahoo McDaniel and Mark Youngblood

* The Midnight Express (Dennis Condrey and Bobby Eaton)

* D.J. Peterson and Brett Wayne

* The Road Warriors (Animal and Hawk

* The Rock 'n' Roll Express (Robert Gibson and Ricky Morton)

* The Russian Team (Ivan and Nikita Koloff)

* Buzz Sawyer and Rick Steiner

* The Sheepherders (Butch Miller and Luke Williams)

* Terry Taylor and Steve Williams

I loved the Crockett Cup. I was able to attend the 2nd night of the 3rd year in Greensboro. I hate that it was the last time they had it. Aside from the tournament, they also had Dusty Rhodes, as the Midnight Rider against JJ Dillon in a bullrope match and Ric Flair vs Nikita Kolloff, where Nikita won by DQ. IIRC, Sting and Lex Lugar won that year.

eta: But who can forget the 2nd year with Mulkey Mania running wild!

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Speaking of tag teams, the height of the tag team era was to me was the Crockett Cup that ran for 3 years in the late 80's. We may never see anything like this again sadly. It was a two day knockout tournament of nothing but tag teams.Look at the 24 teams in the 1986 version of the Crockett Cup...Holy smokes!! * Arn Anderson and Tully Blanchard * Giant Baba and Tiger Mask * The Barbarian and Baron Von Raschke * The Batten Twins (Bart and Brad) * Black Bart and Jimmy Garvin * Dino Bravo and Rick Martel * Bill Dundee and Buddy Landel * The Fabulous Ones (Steve Keirn and Stan Lane) * The Fantastics (Bobby Fulton and Tommy Rogers) * Manny Fernandez and Jimmy Valiant * Ronnie Garvin and Magnum T.A. * Chavo and Hector Guerrero * Sam Houston and Nelson Royal * The Italian Stallion and Koko Ware * Bobby Jaggers and Mike Miller * Wahoo McDaniel and Mark Youngblood * The Midnight Express (Dennis Condrey and Bobby Eaton) * D.J. Peterson and Brett Wayne * The Road Warriors (Animal and Hawk * The Rock 'n' Roll Express (Robert Gibson and Ricky Morton) * The Russian Team (Ivan and Nikita Koloff) * Buzz Sawyer and Rick Steiner * The Sheepherders (Butch Miller and Luke Williams) * Terry Taylor and Steve Williams

I loved the Crockett Cup. I was able to attend the 2nd night of the 3rd year in Greensboro. I hate that it was the last time they had it. Aside from the tournament, they also had Dusty Rhodes, as the Midnight Rider against JJ Dillon in a bullrope match and Ric Flair vs Nikita Kolloff, where Nikita won by DQ. IIRC, Sting and Lex Lugar won that year.
Loved the Midnight Rider gimmick. Impossible to tell that it was Dusty's finely honed body :D

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Speaking of tag teams, the height of the tag team era was to me was the Crockett Cup that ran for 3 years in the late 80's. We may never see anything like this again sadly. It was a two day knockout tournament of nothing but tag teams.

Look at the 24 teams in the 1986 version of the Crockett Cup...Holy smokes!!

* Arn Anderson and Tully Blanchard

* Giant Baba and Tiger Mask

* The Barbarian and Baron Von Raschke

* The Batten Twins (Bart and Brad)

* Black Bart and Jimmy Garvin

* Dino Bravo and Rick Martel

* Bill Dundee and Buddy Landel

* The Fabulous Ones (Steve Keirn and Stan Lane)

* The Fantastics (Bobby Fulton and Tommy Rogers)

* Manny Fernandez and Jimmy Valiant

* Ronnie Garvin and Magnum T.A.

* Chavo and Hector Guerrero

* Sam Houston and Nelson Royal

* The Italian Stallion and Koko Ware

* Bobby Jaggers and Mike Miller

* Wahoo McDaniel and Mark Youngblood

* The Midnight Express (Dennis Condrey and Bobby Eaton)

* D.J. Peterson and Brett Wayne

* The Road Warriors (Animal and Hawk

* The Rock 'n' Roll Express (Robert Gibson and Ricky Morton)

* The Russian Team (Ivan and Nikita Koloff)

* Buzz Sawyer and Rick Steiner

* The Sheepherders (Butch Miller and Luke Williams)

* Terry Taylor and Steve Williams

I loved the Crockett Cup. I was able to attend the 2nd night of the 3rd year in Greensboro. I hate that it was the last time they had it. Aside from the tournament, they also had Dusty Rhodes, as the Midnight Rider against JJ Dillon in a bullrope match and Ric Flair vs Nikita Kolloff, where Nikita won by DQ. IIRC, Sting and Lex Lugar won that year.
Loved the Midnight Rider gimmick. Impossible to tell that it was Dusty's finely honed body :D
If you loved that. Do you remember this match when the
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Didnt Bobby Eaton work with someone else. I dont remember Condrey

"Sweet" Stan Lane (formerly of the Fabulous Ones) "Loverboy" Dennis Condrey was an original member of the Midnight Express.

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Didnt Bobby Eaton work with someone else. I dont remember Condrey

"Sweet" Stan Lane (formerly of the Fabulous Ones) "Loverboy" Dennis Condrey was an original member of the Midnight Express.
I remember Lane. Thanks

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I loved the telecasts taht were filmed in a little TV studio...best part of wrestling...

Beautiful Bobby always looked like he was gonna hit his head on the light when he was jumping from the top turnbuckle in the TBS studios. That and the crowd of around 50, where you could hear every word said during an interview really added something to the atmosphere.

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For some reason last night I was unable to sleep, and as I tossed and turned one of the things that ran through my head was the NWO, the end of WCW, and the "merger" w/ WWF. And then I remembered that at some point Goldberg was in the WWF, but by that point I wasn't watching anymore. Whatever happened with that? Can one of you in the know give me a rundown of his tenure in WWF/E?

TIA

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For some reason last night I was unable to sleep, and as I tossed and turned one of the things that ran through my head was the NWO, the end of WCW, and the "merger" w/ WWF. And then I remembered that at some point Goldberg was in the WWF, but by that point I wasn't watching anymore. Whatever happened with that? Can one of you in the know give me a rundown of his tenure in WWF/E?

TIA

Look up Goldberg vs Brock Lesnar at Wrestlemania XX. One of the only Wrestlemania matches I remember that the crowd wanted to end before it started.

Well, here's the match on YouTube. Part 1 (Background) - Part 2 (Match starts) -

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For some reason last night I was unable to sleep, and as I tossed and turned one of the things that ran through my head was the NWO, the end of WCW, and the "merger" w/ WWF. And then I remembered that at some point Goldberg was in the WWF, but by that point I wasn't watching anymore. Whatever happened with that? Can one of you in the know give me a rundown of his tenure in WWF/E?TIA

Goldberg did not go to WWF during the merge. His contract ran out and he went to Japan for a little while. He then came back to the now named WWE.Here is a copy from wiki on the WWE yearsEarly feudsAfter leaving Japan, Goldberg signed a one year contract with World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) in March 2003, debuting in WWE on the March 31 edition of Raw, the night after WrestleMania XIX. Immediately, he began a feud with The Rock by spearing him.[1] Their rivalry intensified when The Rock held a segment entitled The Rock Concert, where he taunted Goldberg along with Gillberg. He defeated The Rock in his debut match at Backlash. The match was won by Goldberg following three spears and a Jackhammer.[20] Goldberg went undefeated over the subsequent half-year, defeating 3-Minute Warning in his first match on Raw.[1] Goldberg defeated Christian on the following edition of Raw in a steel cage match.[1]Goldberg next feuded with Chris Jericho. During Jericho's first edition of the Highlight Reel, an interview show, where Goldberg was the guest, he complained that no one wanted Goldberg in WWE and continued to insult him in the following weeks. On May 12 on Raw, a mystery assailant attempted to run over Goldberg with a limousine. A week later, Co-Raw General Manager, Stone Cold Steve Austin, interrogated several Raw superstars to find out who was driving the car. One of the interrogatees was Lance Storm, who admitted that he was the assailant. Austin forced Storm into a match with Goldberg, who defeated Storm. After the match, Goldberg forced Storm to admit that Jericho was the superstar who conspired Storm into running him over. On May 26, Goldberg was once again a guest on the Highlight Reel. Jericho expressed jealousy towards Goldberg's success in WCW and felt that since joining WWE, he had achieved everything he had ever wanted in his career and all that was left was to defeat Goldberg and challenged him to a match. At Bad Blood, Goldberg settled the score with Jericho and defeated him.[1]World Heavyweight ChampionGoldberg entered a rivalry with Triple H, challenging him for the World Heavyweight Championship at SummerSlam in the second Elimination Chamber match in WWE; after squashing and eliminating Randy Orton, Shawn Michaels, and Jericho, he was pinned by Triple H after Ric Flair threw a sledgehammer inside the Chamber. Triple H proceeded to attack Goldberg with the sledgehammer and as a result, Triple H retained the title.[21] Goldberg continued his feud with Triple H and finally defeated him for the World Heavyweight Championship at Unforgiven, after agreeing to put his career on the line.[22][23] The next night on Raw, Goldberg successfully retained the championship against Chris Jericho. A week later, Triple H issued a $100,000 bounty to anybody who could take Goldberg out of the game. Steven Richards, Mark Henry, La RĂ©sistance and Tommy Dreamer all attempted to collect the bounty but were unsuccessful. On October 20, Batista collected the bounty after he interfered in Goldberg's title defense against Shawn Michaels on Raw and attacked Goldberg, placing a folding chair around Goldberg's ankle and jumping off the middle rope onto the chair, shattering his ankle. Furious, Goldberg demanded a match against Batista. Triple H, however, got involved in the match between Goldberg and Batista trying to cripple Goldberg, but Goldberg fought back and speared Triple H before attacking Batista with a sledgehammer. At Survivor Series, Goldberg retained his championship against Triple H despite interference from Evolution.[24]On November 17, Goldberg faced Triple H, Randy Orton, and Batista in a Handicap match on Raw but was pinned following an RKO, a Batista Bomb and finally a Pedigree. After the match, Kane unexpectedly came out to seemingly assist Goldberg after Evolution continued their assault on him following the match. After scaring off Evolution however, he turned on Goldberg and chokeslammed him. The following week, Kane attacked Goldberg again while he was defending his championship against Triple H in a rematch from Survivor Series and later that night, expressed his desire to face Goldberg for the title. Raw General Manager Eric Bischoff announced that Goldberg would be defending his championship against both Kane and Triple H in a triple threat match at Armageddon. Goldberg teamed with Shawn Michaels and Rob Van Dam to take on and defeat Kane, Batista, and Orton in a six-man tag team match. On December 8 on Raw, Goldberg faced Kane in a Lumberjack match which ended in a disqualification when Evolution and Mark Henry entered the ring and assaulted Goldberg. At Armageddon, Goldberg ultimately lost the title when Triple H pinned him after interference from Evolution and a chokeslam from Kane.[25]Feud with Brock Lesnar & Departure From WWEDuring the Royal Rumble in 2004, he crossed paths with then-WWE Champion Brock Lesnar when the latter interrupted Goldberg during a backstage interview. While Goldberg was in the midst of dominating the Royal Rumble, Brock Lesnar interfered in the match and hit Goldberg with the F-5. With his attention turned on Lesnar, Kurt Angle eliminated a distracted Goldberg from behind.[1] Goldberg vowed revenge on Lesnar and after defeating Mark Henry and Jonathan Coachman in a No DQ match, he declared Brock Lesnar his next victim. On February 2, Goldberg was given a front row ticket to No Way Out by Austin. Smackdown! General Manager Paul Heyman appeared on Raw and, along with Vince McMahon attempted to get Goldberg to back off in his vendetta against Brock Lesnar which resulted in Goldberg spearing Heyman and accidentally spearing Austin when he was aiming for McMahon. Goldberg attended No Way Out as a fan, confronting Lesnar at the event and, after several insults by Brock Lesnar, entered the ring and executed a Jackhammer on him. Goldberg was then arrested and escorted out of the arena by security guards. During the main event between Brock Lesnar and Eddie Guerrero, Goldberg reemerged from the crowd and cost Brock Lesnar the WWE Championship.[26] This led to a match between the two being scheduled for WrestleMania XX with Austin serving as special guest referee. Fans knew this would be the final WWE match for both Goldberg and Brock Lesnar and thus gave largely negative reactions through the performance. After Goldberg defeated Brock Lesnar, both men were given a Stone Cold Stunner by Austin on their way out. One week later, Goldberg's contract expired and was not renewed.

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Speaking of tag teams, the height of the tag team era was to me was the Crockett Cup that ran for 3 years in the late 80's. We may never see anything like this again sadly. It was a two day knockout tournament of nothing but tag teams.

Look at the 24 teams in the 1986 version of the Crockett Cup...Holy smokes!!

* Arn Anderson and Tully Blanchard

* Giant Baba and Tiger Mask

* The Barbarian and Baron Von Raschke

* The Batten Twins (Bart and Brad)

* Black Bart and Jimmy Garvin

* Dino Bravo and Rick Martel

* Bill Dundee and Buddy Landel

* The Fabulous Ones (Steve Keirn and Stan Lane)

* The Fantastics (Bobby Fulton and Tommy Rogers)

* Manny Fernandez and Jimmy Valiant

* Ronnie Garvin and Magnum T.A.

* Chavo and Hector Guerrero

* Sam Houston and Nelson Royal

* The Italian Stallion and Koko Ware

* Bobby Jaggers and Mike Miller

* Wahoo McDaniel and Mark Youngblood

* The Midnight Express (Dennis Condrey and Bobby Eaton)

* D.J. Peterson and Brett Wayne

* The Road Warriors (Animal and Hawk

* The Rock 'n' Roll Express (Robert Gibson and Ricky Morton)

* The Russian Team (Ivan and Nikita Koloff)

* Buzz Sawyer and Rick Steiner

* The Sheepherders (Butch Miller and Luke Williams)

* Terry Taylor and Steve Williams

I loved the Crockett Cup. I was able to attend the 2nd night of the 3rd year in Greensboro. I hate that it was the last time they had it. Aside from the tournament, they also had Dusty Rhodes, as the Midnight Rider against JJ Dillon in a bullrope match and Ric Flair vs Nikita Kolloff, where Nikita won by DQ. IIRC, Sting and Lex Lugar won that year.
Loved the Midnight Rider gimmick. Impossible to tell that it was Dusty's finely honed body :D
If you loved that. Do you remember this match when the
?
Yet another lost art, the heel manager. Damn was Cornette funny back in the day :)

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One of the single moment in time best entrances ever. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QccIiHbcyA

ECDub was great for what it was. And had a really big following at it's height. I went to an event at college when they came. We had great seats, and it was fun. My friend almost got thrown out for trying to grab Francines boob

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One of the single moment in time best entrances ever. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QccIiHbcyA

ECDub was great for what it was. And had a really big following at it's height. I went to an event at college when they came. We had great seats, and it was fun. My friend almost got thrown out for trying to grab Francines boob
ECW was a piece of wrestling history I totally missed out on. I am not sure if I just ignored it out of ignorance or never got to see it on TV during its run.

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For some reason last night I was unable to sleep, and as I tossed and turned one of the things that ran through my head was the NWO, the end of WCW, and the "merger" w/ WWF. And then I remembered that at some point Goldberg was in the WWF, but by that point I wasn't watching anymore. Whatever happened with that? Can one of you in the know give me a rundown of his tenure in WWF/E?TIA

Goldberg did not go to WWF during the merge. His contract ran out and he went to Japan for a little while. He then came back to the now named WWE.Here is a copy from wiki on the WWE yearsEarly feudsAfter leaving Japan, Goldberg signed a one year contract with World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) in March 2003, debuting in WWE on the March 31 edition of Raw, the night after WrestleMania XIX. Immediately, he began a feud with The Rock by spearing him.[1] Their rivalry intensified when The Rock held a segment entitled The Rock Concert, where he taunted Goldberg along with Gillberg. He defeated The Rock in his debut match at Backlash. The match was won by Goldberg following three spears and a Jackhammer.[20] Goldberg went undefeated over the subsequent half-year, defeating 3-Minute Warning in his first match on Raw.[1] Goldberg defeated Christian on the following edition of Raw in a steel cage match.[1]Goldberg next feuded with Chris Jericho. During Jericho's first edition of the Highlight Reel, an interview show, where Goldberg was the guest, he complained that no one wanted Goldberg in WWE and continued to insult him in the following weeks. On May 12 on Raw, a mystery assailant attempted to run over Goldberg with a limousine. A week later, Co-Raw General Manager, Stone Cold Steve Austin, interrogated several Raw superstars to find out who was driving the car. One of the interrogatees was Lance Storm, who admitted that he was the assailant. Austin forced Storm into a match with Goldberg, who defeated Storm. After the match, Goldberg forced Storm to admit that Jericho was the superstar who conspired Storm into running him over. On May 26, Goldberg was once again a guest on the Highlight Reel. Jericho expressed jealousy towards Goldberg's success in WCW and felt that since joining WWE, he had achieved everything he had ever wanted in his career and all that was left was to defeat Goldberg and challenged him to a match. At Bad Blood, Goldberg settled the score with Jericho and defeated him.[1]World Heavyweight ChampionGoldberg entered a rivalry with Triple H, challenging him for the World Heavyweight Championship at SummerSlam in the second Elimination Chamber match in WWE; after squashing and eliminating Randy Orton, Shawn Michaels, and Jericho, he was pinned by Triple H after Ric Flair threw a sledgehammer inside the Chamber. Triple H proceeded to attack Goldberg with the sledgehammer and as a result, Triple H retained the title.[21] Goldberg continued his feud with Triple H and finally defeated him for the World Heavyweight Championship at Unforgiven, after agreeing to put his career on the line.[22][23] The next night on Raw, Goldberg successfully retained the championship against Chris Jericho. A week later, Triple H issued a $100,000 bounty to anybody who could take Goldberg out of the game. Steven Richards, Mark Henry, La RĂ©sistance and Tommy Dreamer all attempted to collect the bounty but were unsuccessful. On October 20, Batista collected the bounty after he interfered in Goldberg's title defense against Shawn Michaels on Raw and attacked Goldberg, placing a folding chair around Goldberg's ankle and jumping off the middle rope onto the chair, shattering his ankle. Furious, Goldberg demanded a match against Batista. Triple H, however, got involved in the match between Goldberg and Batista trying to cripple Goldberg, but Goldberg fought back and speared Triple H before attacking Batista with a sledgehammer. At Survivor Series, Goldberg retained his championship against Triple H despite interference from Evolution.[24]On November 17, Goldberg faced Triple H, Randy Orton, and Batista in a Handicap match on Raw but was pinned following an RKO, a Batista Bomb and finally a Pedigree. After the match, Kane unexpectedly came out to seemingly assist Goldberg after Evolution continued their assault on him following the match. After scaring off Evolution however, he turned on Goldberg and chokeslammed him. The following week, Kane attacked Goldberg again while he was defending his championship against Triple H in a rematch from Survivor Series and later that night, expressed his desire to face Goldberg for the title. Raw General Manager Eric Bischoff announced that Goldberg would be defending his championship against both Kane and Triple H in a triple threat match at Armageddon. Goldberg teamed with Shawn Michaels and Rob Van Dam to take on and defeat Kane, Batista, and Orton in a six-man tag team match. On December 8 on Raw, Goldberg faced Kane in a Lumberjack match which ended in a disqualification when Evolution and Mark Henry entered the ring and assaulted Goldberg. At Armageddon, Goldberg ultimately lost the title when Triple H pinned him after interference from Evolution and a chokeslam from Kane.[25]Feud with Brock Lesnar & Departure From WWEDuring the Royal Rumble in 2004, he crossed paths with then-WWE Champion Brock Lesnar when the latter interrupted Goldberg during a backstage interview. While Goldberg was in the midst of dominating the Royal Rumble, Brock Lesnar interfered in the match and hit Goldberg with the F-5. With his attention turned on Lesnar, Kurt Angle eliminated a distracted Goldberg from behind.[1] Goldberg vowed revenge on Lesnar and after defeating Mark Henry and Jonathan Coachman in a No DQ match, he declared Brock Lesnar his next victim. On February 2, Goldberg was given a front row ticket to No Way Out by Austin. Smackdown! General Manager Paul Heyman appeared on Raw and, along with Vince McMahon attempted to get Goldberg to back off in his vendetta against Brock Lesnar which resulted in Goldberg spearing Heyman and accidentally spearing Austin when he was aiming for McMahon. Goldberg attended No Way Out as a fan, confronting Lesnar at the event and, after several insults by Brock Lesnar, entered the ring and executed a Jackhammer on him. Goldberg was then arrested and escorted out of the arena by security guards. During the main event between Brock Lesnar and Eddie Guerrero, Goldberg reemerged from the crowd and cost Brock Lesnar the WWE Championship.[26] This led to a match between the two being scheduled for WrestleMania XX with Austin serving as special guest referee. Fans knew this would be the final WWE match for both Goldberg and Brock Lesnar and thus gave largely negative reactions through the performance. After Goldberg defeated Brock Lesnar, both men were given a Stone Cold Stunner by Austin on their way out. One week later, Goldberg's contract expired and was not renewed.
Good lord, I didn't miss nothing.

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Vince really has never believed in Christian. He didn't even hold the belt a week :(

This is one of the biggest problems right now. There were 8 WWF/E Heavyweight title changes from 1963-1979. 5 in the 80's. 39 in the 90's. 49 since 2000. For the Intercontinental title, 15 title changes from 79-89, 44 in the 90's, 69 since 2000. Being champion doesn't mean jack anymore.

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Vince really has never believed in Christian. He didn't even hold the belt a week :(

This is one of the biggest problems right now. There were 8 WWF/E Heavyweight title changes from 1963-1979. 5 in the 80's. 39 in the 90's. 49 since 2000. For the Intercontinental title, 15 title changes from 79-89, 44 in the 90's, 69 since 2000. Being champion doesn't mean jack anymore.
:goodposting:

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The bolded part below is depressing.

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Former WWE wrestler MVP says the "tipping point" that led to him seeking his release last year was his frustration with WWE becoming "too corporate."

"I never wanted a 'job,'" MVP told former WWE writer Dave Lagana in a lengthy podcast interview on IWantWrestling.com.

"WWE became a very corporate-type atmosphere where it was a job. And that's not why I wanted to become a professional wrestler. I didn't want to be an actor - and I know all that comes with being well-rounded professional wrestler - but it became too corporate for me. I didn't want this suit & tie daily grind."

MVP cited the well-documented corporate shift away from using "wrestling" or "wrestlers" in any capacity, which trickled down to wrestlers being affected on TV.

I had noticed for some time that WWE was moving in a more corporate type direction. And the emphasis had continually been on entertainment - we're not a wrestling show, we're an entertainment show," MVP said.

"Wrestling was a bad word. I cut a promo in the VIP Lounge once and I referred to one of the Superstars as 'one of the greatest wrestlers in the history of the business' and I had to do a re-recording that they dub in with 'Superstar' because I couldn't say 'wrestler.'"

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Vince really has never believed in Christian. He didn't even hold the belt a week :(

This is one of the biggest problems right now. There were 8 WWF/E Heavyweight title changes from 1963-1979. 5 in the 80's. 39 in the 90's. 49 since 2000. For the Intercontinental title, 15 title changes from 79-89, 44 in the 90's, 69 since 2000. Being champion doesn't mean jack anymore.
:goodposting:
Going from an average of 1 PPV per year and no weekly show where the top wrestlers fought each other to 12 PPVs and 2 shows a week probably has something to do with that.

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The bolded part below is depressing.

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Former WWE wrestler MVP says the "tipping point" that led to him seeking his release last year was his frustration with WWE becoming "too corporate."

"I never wanted a 'job,'" MVP told former WWE writer Dave Lagana in a lengthy podcast interview on IWantWrestling.com.

"WWE became a very corporate-type atmosphere where it was a job. And that's not why I wanted to become a professional wrestler. I didn't want to be an actor - and I know all that comes with being well-rounded professional wrestler - but it became too corporate for me. I didn't want this suit & tie daily grind."

MVP cited the well-documented corporate shift away from using "wrestling" or "wrestlers" in any capacity, which trickled down to wrestlers being affected on TV.

I had noticed for some time that WWE was moving in a more corporate type direction. And the emphasis had continually been on entertainment - we're not a wrestling show, we're an entertainment show," MVP said.

"Wrestling was a bad word. I cut a promo in the VIP Lounge once and I referred to one of the Superstars as 'one of the greatest wrestlers in the history of the business' and I had to do a re-recording that they dub in with 'Superstar' because I couldn't say 'wrestler.'"

Really? Seems like he's #####ing about nothing. So they're not using the word "wrestling". It's not changing anything about that promo other than the word.

Get over it. It's a multi-billion dollar business. It HAS to be a corporation.

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The bolded part below is depressing.

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Former WWE wrestler MVP says the "tipping point" that led to him seeking his release last year was his frustration with WWE becoming "too corporate."

"I never wanted a 'job,'" MVP told former WWE writer Dave Lagana in a lengthy podcast interview on IWantWrestling.com.

"WWE became a very corporate-type atmosphere where it was a job. And that's not why I wanted to become a professional wrestler. I didn't want to be an actor - and I know all that comes with being well-rounded professional wrestler - but it became too corporate for me. I didn't want this suit & tie daily grind."

MVP cited the well-documented corporate shift away from using "wrestling" or "wrestlers" in any capacity, which trickled down to wrestlers being affected on TV.

I had noticed for some time that WWE was moving in a more corporate type direction. And the emphasis had continually been on entertainment - we're not a wrestling show, we're an entertainment show," MVP said.

"Wrestling was a bad word. I cut a promo in the VIP Lounge once and I referred to one of the Superstars as 'one of the greatest wrestlers in the history of the business' and I had to do a re-recording that they dub in with 'Superstar' because I couldn't say 'wrestler.'"

Really? Seems like he's #####ing about nothing. So they're not using the word "wrestling". It's not changing anything about that promo other than the word.

Get over it. It's a multi-billion dollar business. It HAS to be a corporation.

I think it is horrible. They are doing everything they can to deemphasize wrestling. I don't want to watch a variety show, I want to see wrestling.

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I think it is horrible. They are doing everything they can to deemphasize wrestling. I don't want to watch a variety show, I want to see wrestling.

That's what you're seeing. There's much more actual wrestling on WWE shows now than the 90's. Much, much more actual wrestling on weeklies than the 80's WWF (squash matches aren't wrestling).They're just calling it something else for marketing purposes. Why does that upset you so much?

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WWE no longer even stands for wrestling as no one affiliated with WWE can ever say "wrestling" as part of the name.

Again, what's the big deal? They still wrestle. A lot.

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I think it is horrible. They are doing everything they can to deemphasize wrestling. I don't want to watch a variety show, I want to see wrestling.

That's what you're seeing. There's much more actual wrestling on WWE shows now than the 90's. Much, much more actual wrestling on weeklies than the 80's WWF
The amount of actual wrestling today Is way down. There is less actual match time, SiGNIFICANTLY less. PW Torch tracks the actual wrestling time for each show and for the two largest, WWE and TNA , the % of actual match time is the lowest it has ever been.

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WWE no longer even stands for wrestling as no one affiliated with WWE can ever say "wrestling" as part of the name.

Again, what's the big deal? They still wrestle. A lot.
You obviously do not follow this data too closely.

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I think it is horrible. They are doing everything they can to deemphasize wrestling. I don't want to watch a variety show, I want to see wrestling.

That's what you're seeing. There's much more actual wrestling on WWE shows now than the 90's. Much, much more actual wrestling on weeklies than the 80's WWF
The amount of actual wrestling today Is way down. There is less actual match time, SiGNIFICANTLY less. PW Torch tracks the actual wrestling time for each show and for the two largest, WWE and TNA , the % of actual match time is the lowest it has ever been.
That's great, but it's apples to oranges. Barry Horowitz matches don't count.

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I think it is horrible. They are doing everything they can to deemphasize wrestling. I don't want to watch a variety show, I want to see wrestling.

That's what you're seeing. There's much more actual wrestling on WWE shows now than the 90's. Much, much more actual wrestling on weeklies than the 80's WWF (squash matches aren't wrestling).They're just calling it something else for marketing purposes. Why does that upset you so much?
Yeah, but the total amount of actual wrestling available to the consumer is way down. The 90s had WCW on a couple nights a week, and you may have even got some ECW depending on where you lived. Both operations emphasized wrestling over storylines way more than the WWE does now or ever has under Vince.

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WWE no longer even stands for wrestling as no one affiliated with WWE can ever say "wrestling" as part of the name.

Again, what's the big deal? They still wrestle. A lot.
You obviously do not follow this data too closely.
I'll stop trying to make a point here. You're obviously not going to listen. I made the point about 80's wrestling shows, but you set up the straw man anyway, and insulted me in the process.Enjoy your thread. I'll go somewhere else.

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I think it is horrible. They are doing everything they can to deemphasize wrestling. I don't want to watch a variety show, I want to see wrestling.

That's what you're seeing. There's much more actual wrestling on WWE shows now than the 90's. Much, much more actual wrestling on weeklies than the 80's WWF
The amount of actual wrestling today Is way down. There is less actual match time, SiGNIFICANTLY less. PW Torch tracks the actual wrestling time for each show and for the two largest, WWE and TNA , the % of actual match time is the lowest it has ever been.
That's great, but it's apples to oranges. Barry Horowitz matches don't count.
Yeah but Santino and the Cobra do count huh? Lol :) Edited by NewlyRetired

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The bolded part below is depressing.

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Former WWE wrestler MVP says the "tipping point" that led to him seeking his release last year was his frustration with WWE becoming "too corporate."

"I never wanted a 'job,'" MVP told former WWE writer Dave Lagana in a lengthy podcast interview on IWantWrestling.com.

"WWE became a very corporate-type atmosphere where it was a job. And that's not why I wanted to become a professional wrestler. I didn't want to be an actor - and I know all that comes with being well-rounded professional wrestler - but it became too corporate for me. I didn't want this suit & tie daily grind."

MVP cited the well-documented corporate shift away from using "wrestling" or "wrestlers" in any capacity, which trickled down to wrestlers being affected on TV.

I had noticed for some time that WWE was moving in a more corporate type direction. And the emphasis had continually been on entertainment - we're not a wrestling show, we're an entertainment show," MVP said.

"Wrestling was a bad word. I cut a promo in the VIP Lounge once and I referred to one of the Superstars as 'one of the greatest wrestlers in the history of the business' and I had to do a re-recording that they dub in with 'Superstar' because I couldn't say 'wrestler.'"

Really? Seems like he's #####ing about nothing. So they're not using the word "wrestling". It's not changing anything about that promo other than the word.

Get over it. It's a multi-billion dollar business. It HAS to be a corporation.

#####ing about Vince running the company that way now is stupid. Vince has been running the company that way since the 80's he took over. Edited by SlaX

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I think it is horrible. They are doing everything they can to deemphasize wrestling. I don't want to watch a variety show, I want to see wrestling.

That's what you're seeing. There's much more actual wrestling on WWE shows now than the 90's. Much, much more actual wrestling on weeklies than the 80's WWF (squash matches aren't wrestling).They're just calling it something else for marketing purposes. Why does that upset you so much?
Yeah, but the total amount of actual wrestling available to the consumer is way down. The 90s had WCW on a couple nights a week, and you may have even got some ECW depending on where you lived. Both operations emphasized wrestling over storylines way more than the WWE does now or ever has under Vince.
I have no problem with the statement that WCW and ECW promoting wrestling way more than WWE. That's 100% true.

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I think it is horrible. They are doing everything they can to deemphasize wrestling. I don't want to watch a variety show, I want to see wrestling.

That's what you're seeing. There's much more actual wrestling on WWE shows now than the 90's. Much, much more actual wrestling on weeklies than the 80's WWF (squash matches aren't wrestling).They're just calling it something else for marketing purposes. Why does that upset you so much?
Yeah, but the total amount of actual wrestling available to the consumer is way down. The 90s had WCW on a couple nights a week, and you may have even got some ECW depending on where you lived. Both operations emphasized wrestling over storylines way more than the WWE does now or ever has under Vince.
Exactly.

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The only wrestling match I ever attended was in Greenville,SC in 1987.

The main event was:

The Road Warriors,Dusty Rhodes, and Paul Ellering

vs

Ric Flair, Arn and Tully Anderson, and JJ Dillon

Still remember it to this day!

That must have been fantastic to see live :)

Ahh, what happened to tag team wrestling? The 80's put on better 6 and 8 man tags than any regular tag match is today...

Some of my earliest memories are of tag teams (Putski and Santana, The Wild Somoans, Garea and Martel, The Moondogs etc).

The High Flyers Gagne & Brunzel

Ray "The Crippler" Stevens & Pat Patterson

Super Destroyers I & II

The Blackjacks Mulligan & Lanza

The Long Riders Scott Hog Irwin and Wild Bill Irwin

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The only wrestling match I ever attended was in Greenville,SC in 1987.

The main event was:

The Road Warriors,Dusty Rhodes, and Paul Ellering

vs

Ric Flair, Arn and Tully Anderson, and JJ Dillon

Still remember it to this day!

That must have been fantastic to see live :)

Ahh, what happened to tag team wrestling? The 80's put on better 6 and 8 man tags than any regular tag match is today...

Some of my earliest memories are of tag teams (Putski and Santana, The Wild Somoans, Garea and Martel, The Moondogs etc).

The High Flyers Gagne & Brunzel

Ray "The Crippler" Stevens & Pat Patterson

Super Destroyers I & II

The Blackjacks Mulligan & Lanza

Where were the High Flyers out of. AWA?

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Vince really has never believed in Christian. He didn't even hold the belt a week :(

This is one of the biggest problems right now. There were 8 WWF/E Heavyweight title changes from 1963-1979. 5 in the 80's. 39 in the 90's. 49 since 2000. For the Intercontinental title, 15 title changes from 79-89, 44 in the 90's, 69 since 2000. Being champion doesn't mean jack anymore.
:goodposting:
Going from an average of 1 PPV per year and no weekly show where the top wrestlers fought each other to 12 PPVs and 2 shows a week probably has something to do with that.
Also part of the problem. Over-saturation of the product.

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The only wrestling match I ever attended was in Greenville,SC in 1987.

The main event was:

The Road Warriors,Dusty Rhodes, and Paul Ellering

vs

Ric Flair, Arn and Tully Anderson, and JJ Dillon

Still remember it to this day!

That must have been fantastic to see live :)

Ahh, what happened to tag team wrestling? The 80's put on better 6 and 8 man tags than any regular tag match is today...

Some of my earliest memories are of tag teams (Putski and Santana, The Wild Somoans, Garea and Martel, The Moondogs etc).

The High Flyers Gagne & Brunzel

Ray "The Crippler" Stevens & Pat Patterson

Super Destroyers I & II

The Blackjacks Mulligan & Lanza

Where were the High Flyers out of. AWA?
You betcha!

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The only wrestling match I ever attended was in Greenville,SC in 1987.

The main event was:

The Road Warriors,Dusty Rhodes, and Paul Ellering

vs

Ric Flair, Arn and Tully Anderson, and JJ Dillon

Still remember it to this day!

That must have been fantastic to see live :)

Ahh, what happened to tag team wrestling? The 80's put on better 6 and 8 man tags than any regular tag match is today...

Some of my earliest memories are of tag teams (Putski and Santana, The Wild Somoans, Garea and Martel, The Moondogs etc).

The High Flyers Gagne & Brunzel

Ray "The Crippler" Stevens & Pat Patterson

Super Destroyers I & II

The Blackjacks Mulligan & Lanza

Where were the High Flyers out of. AWA?
You betcha!
Was this your regional affiliation back in the day? I did not see much AWA growing up but have caught up a bit with the constant ESPN repeats from the mid 80's. If for nothing else it is nice to see Scott Hall healthy and sober.

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Vince really has never believed in Christian. He didn't even hold the belt a week :(

This is one of the biggest problems right now. There were 8 WWF/E Heavyweight title changes from 1963-1979. 5 in the 80's. 39 in the 90's. 49 since 2000. For the Intercontinental title, 15 title changes from 79-89, 44 in the 90's, 69 since 2000. Being champion doesn't mean jack anymore.
:goodposting:
Going from an average of 1 PPV per year and no weekly show where the top wrestlers fought each other to 12 PPVs and 2 shows a week probably has something to do with that.
Also part of the problem. Over-saturation of the product.
Exactly. PPVs were must watches when there were only 4-5 a year. NWA/WCW: Great American Bash, Starrcade and some free Clash of the Champions thrown in. WWF: Royal Rumble, Wrestlemania, Summer Slam, Survivor Series, with the possible addition of King of the Ring and added free Saturday Night's Main Events.

Now that the WWE owns WCW, the only WCW PPV I'd keep would be Starrcade.

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The only wrestling match I ever attended was in Greenville,SC in 1987.

The main event was:

The Road Warriors,Dusty Rhodes, and Paul Ellering

vs

Ric Flair, Arn and Tully Anderson, and JJ Dillon

Still remember it to this day!

That must have been fantastic to see live :)

Ahh, what happened to tag team wrestling? The 80's put on better 6 and 8 man tags than any regular tag match is today...

Some of my earliest memories are of tag teams (Putski and Santana, The Wild Somoans, Garea and Martel, The Moondogs etc).

The High Flyers Gagne & Brunzel

Ray "The Crippler" Stevens & Pat Patterson

Super Destroyers I & II

The Blackjacks Mulligan & Lanza

Where were the High Flyers out of. AWA?
You betcha!
Was this your regional affiliation back in the day? I did not see much AWA growing up but have caught up a bit with the constant ESPN repeats from the mid 80's. If for nothing else it is nice to see Scott Hall healthy and sober.
Yep.

First started watching it in grade school when it was on at 11PM

Then Sunday mornings at 11AM

Monthly matches down at the St Paul Civic Center with Dad and friends from the neighborhood

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Vince really has never believed in Christian. He didn't even hold the belt a week :(

This is one of the biggest problems right now. There were 8 WWF/E Heavyweight title changes from 1963-1979. 5 in the 80's. 39 in the 90's. 49 since 2000. For the Intercontinental title, 15 title changes from 79-89, 44 in the 90's, 69 since 2000. Being champion doesn't mean jack anymore.
:goodposting:
Going from an average of 1 PPV per year and no weekly show where the top wrestlers fought each other to 12 PPVs and 2 shows a week probably has something to do with that.
Also part of the problem. Over-saturation of the product.
Yeah the whole equation is different now. Back in the day the house shows were the backbone of the business, now they are at best an after thought.

The WWE has some interesting challenges. Their latest quarterly report showed the the buys dropping again for the ppv's. They have a tricky model now. Bad economy and pretty expensive ppv's do not mix especially with the relative ease to watch the ppv's free online.

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