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Here is your super awesome list of FA point guards to fantasize over:Rodney Stuckey, Detroit Pistons – $2.8 million – Restricted ($3.9 million Qualifying Offer)T.J. Ford, Indiana Pacers – $8.5 million – UnrestrictedCarlos Arroyo, Boston Celtics – $1.2 million – UnrestrictedRonnie Price, Utah Jazz – $1.3 million – UnrestrictedPatrick Mills, Portland Trail Blazers – $0.9 million – Restricted ($1.1 million Qualifying Offer)Sebastian Telfair, Minnesota Timberwolves – $2.7 million – UnrestrictedCharlie Bell, Golden State Warriors – $3.9 million – Early Termination Option ($4.1 million)Willie Green, New Orleans Hornets – $4.0 million – UnrestrictedMario Chalmers, Miami HEAT – $0.9 million – Restricted ($1.1 million Qualifying Offer)Jason Williams, Memphis Grizzlies – $1.4 million – UnrestrictedEarl Watson, Utah Jazz – $1.2 million – UnrestrictedPooh Jeter, Sacramento Kings – $0.5 million – UnrestrictedJose Barea, Dallas Mavericks – $1.7 million – UnrestrictedSundiata Gaines, New Jersey Nets – $0.7 million – Unrestricted*Chris Quinn, San Antonio Spurs – $0.9 million – UnrestrictedRoyal Ivey, Oklahoma City Thunder – $1.1 million – UnrestrictedMarcus Banks, New Orleans Hornets – $4.9 million – UnrestrictedEarl Boykins, Milwaukee Bucks – $1.4 million – UnrestrictedAnthony Carter, New York Knicks – $1.4 million – UnrestrictedAcie Law, Golden State Warriors – $0.7 million – UnrestrictedJohn Lucas, Chicago Bulls – $0.7 million – Unrestricted*Ben Uzoh, New Jersey Nets – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*As ####ty as Fisher and Blake are, I don't think there is anything to be gained in there for you guys.

I think Stuckey and Barea would be upgrades.

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id love to see the chris paul and dwight trade/transaction go through. more just dwight and if they can keep one of pau or bynum with him. i like shannaon brown coming off the bench very athletic and explosive player. also i like to seee a better backup point gaurd. d-fish isnt very skilled because he doesnt have to be but hes very smart, id like to see someone like jarret jack come off the bench and produce for the second line. obviously keep kobe and your team is set

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The NBA clearly has missed one of the things that has made the NFL dominant in US sports. Parity. The NBA has lost it's way. It has done nothing but gone downhill after the golden age of Magic/Bird/Jordan.

You cite the "Golden Age" of Bird/Magic/Jordan and then claim that the NBA has lost its' way because of insufficient parity (one season after the Dallas Mavericks won the championship)? Your argument is internally incoherent. Edited by scoobygang

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id love to see the chris paul and dwight trade/transaction go through. more just dwight and if they can keep one of pau or bynum with him. i like shannaon brown coming off the bench very athletic and explosive player. also i like to seee a better backup point gaurd. d-fish isnt very skilled because he doesnt have to be but hes very smart, id like to see someone like jarret jack come off the bench and produce for the second line. obviously keep kobe and your team is set

Shannon Brown opted out of his contract and both he and the Lakers expect he will get better offers than what the Lakers can offer. He's probably gone.

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I don't know if/how the Lakers could clear enough salary space to do it, considering they'd likely have to eat a nasty contract in the trade.

You're right that it probably won't happen, but this won't be the reason. Getting Howard and Paul would make the Lakers brand even more valuable than it is currently. The amount they would lose in some contract would be more than made up for by the revenue this would generate.

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I don't know if/how the Lakers could clear enough salary space to do it, considering they'd likely have to eat a nasty contract in the trade.

You're right that it probably won't happen, but this won't be the reason. Getting Howard and Paul would make the Lakers brand even more valuable than it is currently. The amount they would lose in some contract would be more than made up for by the revenue this would generate.
I'm talking about cap space rules, not Buss's pockets. I have to imagine both Orlando and New Orleans would like to ship out some bad deals along with their superstars, but the Lakers can't absorb that many more big contracts under the cap without shedding some undesirables of their own. I have a hard time believing both deals get done and the only stinker contract they have to fit in is Turkoglu's, Skribbles's brilliant work with the trade machine not withstanding.

Also, Buss already got his big T.V. payday, they've made it to the finals 3 of the last 4 years and they already sell out every game - how much more revenue will they generate via this deal? Is it going to come along with a hike in ticket prices? More advertising the Lakers get paid for somehow? The Laker girls already have a separate sponsor for each of the 600,000 costumes they wear during a game.

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So, realistically they only have a shot at one of Howard or Paul. Which do you think they should target?

Given that Bynum will have to go out in the deal, I think you have to get Howard. I can't see the Lakers being able to hang with the big boys with Gasol playing C full time.

So assuming it'd be the Magic, would they do Howard for Bynum straight up? Probably not. They'd probably want to at least dump Arenas or Turkoglu's contract. In that case the Lakers would have to deal Gasol or Odom as well, as I assume sending Artest and Walton back to Orlando would defeat the purpose of dumping Arenas/Turkoglu. I assume it'd be Bynum+Odom for Howard+Turkoglu. At that point the Lakers have increased payroll $5.3M. Maybe they amnesty someone at that point, maybe they hang on to it for next year to dump Turkoglu in a play for signing a FA PG.

Does that deal make the Lakers better now? At least you secure a franchise cornerstone for another 5-6 years in Howard. I think you have to do that deal if Orlando accepts.

It's going to be tough on the Lakers regardless trying to get acclimated to a new coach/system with basically no training camp. I can see the first few months of this season being pretty rough while they get things figured out.

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So, realistically they only have a shot at one of Howard or Paul. Which do you think they should target?Given that Bynum will have to go out in the deal, I think you have to get Howard. I can't see the Lakers being able to hang with the big boys with Gasol playing C full time.So assuming it'd be the Magic, would they do Howard for Bynum straight up? Probably not. They'd probably want to at least dump Arenas or Turkoglu's contract. In that case the Lakers would have to deal Gasol or Odom as well, as I assume sending Artest and Walton back to Orlando would defeat the purpose of dumping Arenas/Turkoglu. I assume it'd be Bynum+Odom for Howard+Turkoglu. At that point the Lakers have increased payroll $5.3M. Maybe they amnesty someone at that point, maybe they hang on to it for next year to dump Turkoglu in a play for signing a FA PG.Does that deal make the Lakers better now? At least you secure a franchise cornerstone for another 5-6 years in Howard. I think you have to do that deal if Orlando accepts.It's going to be tough on the Lakers regardless trying to get acclimated to a new coach/system with basically no training camp. I can see the first few months of this season being pretty rough while they get things figured out.

Personally, I would prefer a Bynum/Odom for Howard/Turk deal. They wouldn't be able to amnesty Turkoglu though with the CBA rules (can't amnesty a traded player).I would assume in a Paul deal it would end up being something like Bynum/Odom for Paul/Okafor, so the Lakers would get another big body back.Team AFish/Blake/FA FodderKobeMWPGasolBynum6 - OdomTeam BFish/Blake/FA FodderKobeMWP (or Turk)GasolHoward6 - Turk (or MWP)Team CPaulKobeMWPGasolOkafor6 - Barnes/Mid Level FA?

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I'm extremely torn. I think CP3 is the most underrated player in the NBA. Most folks know he's a great player, but I'm not sure many realize that he's one of the greatest 3-4 PGs to ever play the game. Adding CP3 turns the Lakers biggest and most glaring weakness into perhaps their biggest strength. If they're able to get him and only lose Bynum (from the core), it's hard to imagine any line with Howard and DFish (minus Bynum and Odom) being better than a lineup featuring Kobe, CP3, Odom and Gasol. I also think CP3's presence would do wonders for preserving Kobe; the wear and tear on Kobe's body from being the only perimeter playmaker the Lakers have had for 10 years is starting to mount.

That being said, adding the league's premier interior defender in his prime is difficult to turn down. Paul's leg injuries are also somewhat worrisome, especially when Howard is the iron man of iron men.

I just don't know.

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Also, Buss already got his big T.V. payday, they've made it to the finals 3 of the last 4 years and they already sell out every game - how much more revenue will they generate via this deal? Is it going to come along with a hike in ticket prices? More advertising the Lakers get paid for somehow? The Laker girls already have a separate sponsor for each of the 600,000 costumes they wear during a game.

Not sure if this is true or not, but I heard that the Lakers TV contract is bigger than each of the other Western Conference teams.....COMBINED.

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In the OC Times today Kevin Ding had an article basically saying the Lakers should wait and see while showcasing Bynum. He thinks he'll have even more game this year and as the season goes on the teams being held hostage will get more desperate. The risk is that Bynum gets hurt again. I guess that makes sense, but to me, if you're going to make a move, make it now and get all the adjustments over with at once rather than disrupting the roster in mid season.

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Also, Buss already got his big T.V. payday, they've made it to the finals 3 of the last 4 years and they already sell out every game - how much more revenue will they generate via this deal? Is it going to come along with a hike in ticket prices? More advertising the Lakers get paid for somehow? The Laker girls already have a separate sponsor for each of the 600,000 costumes they wear during a game.

Not sure if this is true or not, but I heard that the Lakers TV contract is bigger than each of the other Western Conference teams.....COMBINED.
The conservative estimate for the value of the deal (assuming the option to extend is not exercised) s 4 billion over 20 years, 200 million a year. I don't know what the other teams' t.v. contracts are, but that's a pretty big meatball.

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I think Paul is the better player, but if Bynum and Odom are the guys on the block then the Lakers have to get Howard in return.

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Also, Buss already got his big T.V. payday, they've made it to the finals 3 of the last 4 years and they already sell out every game - how much more revenue will they generate via this deal? Is it going to come along with a hike in ticket prices? More advertising the Lakers get paid for somehow? The Laker girls already have a separate sponsor for each of the 600,000 costumes they wear during a game.

Not sure if this is true or not, but I heard that the Lakers TV contract is bigger than each of the other Western Conference teams.....COMBINED.
The conservative estimate for the value of the deal (assuming the option to extend is not exercised) s 4 billion over 20 years, 200 million a year. I don't know what the other teams' t.v. contracts are, but that's a pretty big meatball.
That's nuts.

Do the Lakers have their own network or do they show their games on something like Fox Sports?

ETA: I should have clicked on the link, looks like its some sort of Time Warner sports network.

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Also, Buss already got his big T.V. payday, they've made it to the finals 3 of the last 4 years and they already sell out every game - how much more revenue will they generate via this deal? Is it going to come along with a hike in ticket prices? More advertising the Lakers get paid for somehow? The Laker girls already have a separate sponsor for each of the 600,000 costumes they wear during a game.

Not sure if this is true or not, but I heard that the Lakers TV contract is bigger than each of the other Western Conference teams.....COMBINED.
The conservative estimate for the value of the deal (assuming the option to extend is not exercised) s 4 billion over 20 years, 200 million a year. I don't know what the other teams' t.v. contracts are, but that's a pretty big meatball.
That's nuts.

Do the Lakers have their own network or do they show their games on something like Fox Sports?

ETA: I should have clicked on the link, looks like its some sort of Time Warner sports network.

I think there are teams that have annual deals of less than 10 million. I think the Celtics just signed one that nets them ~40 million a year.

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Also, Buss already got his big T.V. payday, they've made it to the finals 3 of the last 4 years and they already sell out every game - how much more revenue will they generate via this deal? Is it going to come along with a hike in ticket prices? More advertising the Lakers get paid for somehow? The Laker girls already have a separate sponsor for each of the 600,000 costumes they wear during a game.

Not sure if this is true or not, but I heard that the Lakers TV contract is bigger than each of the other Western Conference teams.....COMBINED.
The conservative estimate for the value of the deal (assuming the option to extend is not exercised) s 4 billion over 20 years, 200 million a year. I don't know what the other teams' t.v. contracts are, but that's a pretty big meatball.
That's nuts.

Do the Lakers have their own network or do they show their games on something like Fox Sports?

ETA: I should have clicked on the link, looks like its some sort of Time Warner sports network.

I know people like to bash Laker fans, but just consider that this deal is basically built on our backs as testimony to the idea that we're actually a pretty solid fan base. Edited by Gr00vus

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L.A. LAKERS

The Trade: Chris Paul, Trevor Ariza and Emeka Okafor for Andrew Bynum, Lamar Odom, Steve Blake and Derrick Caracter.

Additional Notes: I'm not sure the Hornets would keep Odom here — they could spin him to, say, the Clippers (for Aminu and Ryan Gomes) or Minnesota (for Michael Beasley and Anthony Randolph).

The Verdict: As a full-fledged Lakers hater, this one sends chills down my spine. The Hornets save $7 million this season, rebuild around Bynum (good luck with that) and dump the last three years of their Okafor/Ariza deals ($62.7 million). The Lakers get a true center back (Okafor, an underrated double-double guy who can protect the rim), a defensive swingman who knows how to play with Kobe (Ariza), and one of the biggest point guard upgrades in basketball history (going from Steve Blake and Derek Fisher to Chris Paul). They're reinventing their team AND making it better. Yikes.

If I'm The Lakers, Here's My Biggest Concern: We can't get Howard AND Paul. Is getting Paul a better course than getting Howard? My answer: Yes. Getting Howard requires a Bynum/Gasol package; getting Paul means you keep Gasol, which means you'd have three of the best 15 players in basketball (Kobe, Gasol, Paul) and some competent rotation guys (Okafor, Ariza, Fisher, Metta World Peace and Free Agent X). That's a no-brainer in my mind. I'd have a better chance of winning with Kobe, Gasol, Paul, Okafor and Ariza than Kobe, Howard, Odom and Turkoglu — not just this season, but the next two after that.

If I'm The Hornets, Here's My Biggest Concern: Do I really want to rebuild my entire team around Andrew Bynum, someone who missed an extraordinary number of games already, might be headed for more knee problems down the road, and seems to have the emotional maturity of a Real World roommate? Am I the only one who remembers him clotheslining little J.J. Barea last spring, then storming off half-naked? That's going to be my signature guy for the rest of the decade? Really?

Paul, Fisher, Morris

Kobe, Goudelock

Ariza, Barnes,Kapono, Ebanks

Gasol

Okafur

Amnesty MWP, Walton retires, Shannon Brown leaves.

MLE, and Vet mins to the best bigmen that want to come for that price.

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That looks bad for the Lakers to me. Also, why would the Hornets want Blake?

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If I'm The Hornets, Here's My Biggest Concern: Do I really want to rebuild my entire team around Andrew Bynum, someone who missed an extraordinary number of games already, might be headed for more knee problems down the road, and seems to have the emotional maturity of a Real World roommate? Am I the only one who remembers him clotheslining little J.J. Barea last spring, then storming off half-naked? That's going to be my signature guy for the rest of the decade? Really?

Haters can hate, but as a Laker fan I LOVED that from Bynum. It was his "#### EVERYBODY" moment. We've been waiting for it for a few years now.

I'm in favor of moving Bynum for Howard and/or Paul, but if it doesn't happen, I'm not stressing. I think this is the year the Bynum monster erupts and he's the starting C in the All Star game putting up beast numbers.

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If I'm The Hornets, Here's My Biggest Concern: Do I really want to rebuild my entire team around Andrew Bynum, someone who missed an extraordinary number of games already, might be headed for more knee problems down the road, and seems to have the emotional maturity of a Real World roommate? Am I the only one who remembers him clotheslining little J.J. Barea last spring, then storming off half-naked? That's going to be my signature guy for the rest of the decade? Really?

Haters can hate, but as a Laker fan I LOVED that from Bynum. It was his "#### EVERYBODY" moment. We've been waiting for it for a few years now.

I'm in favor of moving Bynum for Howard and/or Paul, but if it doesn't happen, I'm not stressing. I think this is the year the Bynum monster erupts and he's the starting C in the All Star game putting up beast numbers.

As a Laker fan that was pretty pathetic to see. Grow the #### up and have some class.

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If I'm The Hornets, Here's My Biggest Concern: Do I really want to rebuild my entire team around Andrew Bynum, someone who missed an extraordinary number of games already, might be headed for more knee problems down the road, and seems to have the emotional maturity of a Real World roommate? Am I the only one who remembers him clotheslining little J.J. Barea last spring, then storming off half-naked? That's going to be my signature guy for the rest of the decade? Really?

Haters can hate, but as a Laker fan I LOVED that from Bynum. It was his "#### EVERYBODY" moment. We've been waiting for it for a few years now.

I'm in favor of moving Bynum for Howard and/or Paul, but if it doesn't happen, I'm not stressing. I think this is the year the Bynum monster erupts and he's the starting C in the All Star game putting up beast numbers.

As a Laker fan that was pretty pathetic to see. Grow the #### up and have some class.
Meh. Class is overrated.

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From Adrian Wojnarowski:

Jason Kapono intends to sign a one-year contract for the veteran minimum with the Los Angeles Lakers on Friday, league sources tell Y!

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Haters can hate, but as a Laker fan I LOVED that from Bynum. It was his "#### EVERYBODY" moment. We've been waiting for it for a few years now.I'm in favor of moving Bynum for Howard and/or Paul, but if it doesn't happen, I'm not stressing. I think this is the year the Bynum monster erupts and he's the starting C in the All Star game putting up beast numbers.

Who's we? Speak for yourself. You've been waiting for Bynum to behave like a punk? I'm surprised that you would write this. That act embarrassed and ashamed me as a Laker fan. The only way I can root for the guy again is if I believe that it was an emotional moment from an immature kid who was behaving stupidly and deserves another chance. But if being a Laker fan means that I have to cheer stuff like that, count me out.

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From Adrian Wojnarowski:

Jason Kapono intends to sign a one-year contract for the veteran minimum with the Los Angeles Lakers on Friday, league sources tell Y!

Meh. I hope he still has his stroke, he barely played the last two years, otherwise he's no-dimensional. Where's his PT coming at anyway? I heard they were supposedly grooming Ebanks to play some 2. Couldn't they have waited to see if something better comes along? Edited by Gr00vus

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L.A. LAKERS

The Trade: Chris Paul, Trevor Ariza and Emeka Okafor for Andrew Bynum, Lamar Odom, Steve Blake and Derrick Caracter.

Additional Notes: I'm not sure the Hornets would keep Odom here — they could spin him to, say, the Clippers (for Aminu and Ryan Gomes) or Minnesota (for Michael Beasley and Anthony Randolph).

The Verdict: As a full-fledged Lakers hater, this one sends chills down my spine. The Hornets save $7 million this season, rebuild around Bynum (good luck with that) and dump the last three years of their Okafor/Ariza deals ($62.7 million). The Lakers get a true center back (Okafor, an underrated double-double guy who can protect the rim), a defensive swingman who knows how to play with Kobe (Ariza), and one of the biggest point guard upgrades in basketball history (going from Steve Blake and Derek Fisher to Chris Paul). They're reinventing their team AND making it better. Yikes.

If I'm The Lakers, Here's My Biggest Concern: We can't get Howard AND Paul. Is getting Paul a better course than getting Howard? My answer: Yes. Getting Howard requires a Bynum/Gasol package; getting Paul means you keep Gasol, which means you'd have three of the best 15 players in basketball (Kobe, Gasol, Paul) and some competent rotation guys (Okafor, Ariza, Fisher, Metta World Peace and Free Agent X). That's a no-brainer in my mind. I'd have a better chance of winning with Kobe, Gasol, Paul, Okafor and Ariza than Kobe, Howard, Odom and Turkoglu — not just this season, but the next two after that.

If I'm The Hornets, Here's My Biggest Concern: Do I really want to rebuild my entire team around Andrew Bynum, someone who missed an extraordinary number of games already, might be headed for more knee problems down the road, and seems to have the emotional maturity of a Real World roommate? Am I the only one who remembers him clotheslining little J.J. Barea last spring, then storming off half-naked? That's going to be my signature guy for the rest of the decade? Really?

Paul, Fisher, Morris

Kobe, Goudelock

Ariza, Barnes,Kapono, Ebanks

Gasol

Okafur

Amnesty MWP, Walton retires, Shannon Brown leaves.

MLE, and Vet mins to the best bigmen that want to come for that price.

JMon, you so much remind me of my brother. Like you, he's got this romantic view of Ariza and thinks we never should have gotten rid of him. Ariza was OK, but he was no superstar and he's not going to be one.

If we can get Howard, that's the trade we make. To me, that's much more important than obtaining Paul.

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If we can get Howard, that's the trade we make. To me, that's much more important than obtaining Paul.

Trading 2 of the 3 quality bigs for a small is a non-starter in my book.

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Haters can hate, but as a Laker fan I LOVED that from Bynum. It was his "#### EVERYBODY" moment. We've been waiting for it for a few years now.

I'm in favor of moving Bynum for Howard and/or Paul, but if it doesn't happen, I'm not stressing. I think this is the year the Bynum monster erupts and he's the starting C in the All Star game putting up beast numbers.

Who's we? Speak for yourself. You've been waiting for Bynum to behave like a punk? I'm surprised that you would write this. That act embarrassed and ashamed me as a Laker fan. The only way I can root for the guy again is if I believe that it was an emotional moment from an immature kid who was behaving stupidly and deserves another chance. But if being a Laker fan means that I have to cheer stuff like that, count me out.
Yes tim. I'm installing a "MUST CHEER FOR FLAGRANT FOULS" symbian style machine in each and every Laker fans home that physically forces them to cheer for technical fouls. Let me know if you want me to cancel shipping to your address.

It was a misguided emotional outburst from a player who's been accused of being soft and overly mellow his entire young career. Of course I don't want it happening on a regular basis, but #### it, the Lakers were getting pummeled and no one besides Kobe seemed to give a ####. I was glad to see some emotion - even if it was wrong and cost him 5 games this year.

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Now this......this I do

L.A. LAKERS

The Trade: Chris Paul, Trevor Ariza and Emeka Okafor for Andrew Bynum, Lamar Odom, Steve Blake and Derrick Caracter.

Additional Notes: I'm not sure the Hornets would keep Odom here — they could spin him to, say, the Clippers (for Aminu and Ryan Gomes) or Minnesota (for Michael Beasley and Anthony Randolph).

The Verdict: As a full-fledged Lakers hater, this one sends chills down my spine. The Hornets save $7 million this season, rebuild around Bynum (good luck with that) and dump the last three years of their Okafor/Ariza deals ($62.7 million). The Lakers get a true center back (Okafor, an underrated double-double guy who can protect the rim), a defensive swingman who knows how to play with Kobe (Ariza), and one of the biggest point guard upgrades in basketball history (going from Steve Blake and Derek Fisher to Chris Paul). They're reinventing their team AND making it better. Yikes.

If I'm The Lakers, Here's My Biggest Concern: We can't get Howard AND Paul. Is getting Paul a better course than getting Howard? My answer: Yes. Getting Howard requires a Bynum/Gasol package; getting Paul means you keep Gasol, which means you'd have three of the best 15 players in basketball (Kobe, Gasol, Paul) and some competent rotation guys (Okafor, Ariza, Fisher, Metta World Peace and Free Agent X). That's a no-brainer in my mind. I'd have a better chance of winning with Kobe, Gasol, Paul, Okafor and Ariza than Kobe, Howard, Odom and Turkoglu — not just this season, but the next two after that.

If I'm The Hornets, Here's My Biggest Concern: Do I really want to rebuild my entire team around Andrew Bynum, someone who missed an extraordinary number of games already, might be headed for more knee problems down the road, and seems to have the emotional maturity of a Real World roommate? Am I the only one who remembers him clotheslining little J.J. Barea last spring, then storming off half-naked? That's going to be my signature guy for the rest of the decade? Really?

Paul, Fisher, Morris

Kobe, Goudelock

Ariza, Barnes,Kapono, Ebanks

Gasol

Okafur

Amnesty MWP, Walton retires, Shannon Brown leaves.

MLE, and Vet mins to the best bigmen that want to come for that price.

JMon, you so much remind me of my brother. Like you, he's got this romantic view of Ariza and thinks we never should have gotten rid of him. Ariza was OK, but he was no superstar and he's not going to be one.

If we can get Howard, that's the trade we make. To me, that's much more important than obtaining Paul.

Honestly I have no clue what you are talking about. Ariza is a necessary evil we would have to take on to get Paul. I really would like to know how you came up with me having a romantic view of Ariza from posting this trade and liking it. I thought it was the right move to get rid of Ariza to bring in Artest 2 years ago.

Sometimes I want to defend you when you are being bashed on these boards, but other times I'm confused by you like everyone else.

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Haters can hate, but as a Laker fan I LOVED that from Bynum. It was his "#### EVERYBODY" moment. We've been waiting for it for a few years now.

I'm in favor of moving Bynum for Howard and/or Paul, but if it doesn't happen, I'm not stressing. I think this is the year the Bynum monster erupts and he's the starting C in the All Star game putting up beast numbers.

Who's we? Speak for yourself. You've been waiting for Bynum to behave like a punk? I'm surprised that you would write this. That act embarrassed and ashamed me as a Laker fan. The only way I can root for the guy again is if I believe that it was an emotional moment from an immature kid who was behaving stupidly and deserves another chance. But if being a Laker fan means that I have to cheer stuff like that, count me out.
Yes tim. I'm installing a "MUST CHEER FOR FLAGRANT FOULS" symbian style machine in each and every Laker fans home that physically forces them to cheer for technical fouls. Let me know if you want me to cancel shipping to your address.

It was a misguided emotional outburst from a player who's been accused of being soft and overly mellow his entire young career. Of course I don't want it happening on a regular basis, but #### it, the Lakers were getting pummeled and no one besides Kobe seemed to give a ####. I was glad to see some emotion - even if it was wrong and cost him 5 games this year.

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Now this......this I do

L.A. LAKERS

The Trade: Chris Paul, Trevor Ariza and Emeka Okafor for Andrew Bynum, Lamar Odom, Steve Blake and Derrick Caracter.

Additional Notes: I'm not sure the Hornets would keep Odom here — they could spin him to, say, the Clippers (for Aminu and Ryan Gomes) or Minnesota (for Michael Beasley and Anthony Randolph).

The Verdict: As a full-fledged Lakers hater, this one sends chills down my spine. The Hornets save $7 million this season, rebuild around Bynum (good luck with that) and dump the last three years of their Okafor/Ariza deals ($62.7 million). The Lakers get a true center back (Okafor, an underrated double-double guy who can protect the rim), a defensive swingman who knows how to play with Kobe (Ariza), and one of the biggest point guard upgrades in basketball history (going from Steve Blake and Derek Fisher to Chris Paul). They're reinventing their team AND making it better. Yikes.

If I'm The Lakers, Here's My Biggest Concern: We can't get Howard AND Paul. Is getting Paul a better course than getting Howard? My answer: Yes. Getting Howard requires a Bynum/Gasol package; getting Paul means you keep Gasol, which means you'd have three of the best 15 players in basketball (Kobe, Gasol, Paul) and some competent rotation guys (Okafor, Ariza, Fisher, Metta World Peace and Free Agent X). That's a no-brainer in my mind. I'd have a better chance of winning with Kobe, Gasol, Paul, Okafor and Ariza than Kobe, Howard, Odom and Turkoglu — not just this season, but the next two after that.

If I'm The Hornets, Here's My Biggest Concern: Do I really want to rebuild my entire team around Andrew Bynum, someone who missed an extraordinary number of games already, might be headed for more knee problems down the road, and seems to have the emotional maturity of a Real World roommate? Am I the only one who remembers him clotheslining little J.J. Barea last spring, then storming off half-naked? That's going to be my signature guy for the rest of the decade? Really?

Paul, Fisher, Morris

Kobe, Goudelock

Ariza, Barnes,Kapono, Ebanks

Gasol

Okafur

Amnesty MWP, Walton retires, Shannon Brown leaves.

MLE, and Vet mins to the best bigmen that want to come for that price.

JMon, you so much remind me of my brother. Like you, he's got this romantic view of Ariza and thinks we never should have gotten rid of him. Ariza was OK, but he was no superstar and he's not going to be one.

If we can get Howard, that's the trade we make. To me, that's much more important than obtaining Paul.

Honestly I have no clue what you are talking about. Ariza is a necessary evil we would have to take on to get Paul. I really would like to know how you came up with me having a romantic view of Ariza from posting this trade and liking it. I thought it was the right move to get rid of Ariza to bring in Artest 2 years ago.

Sometimes I want to defend you when you are being bashed on these boards, but other times I'm confused by you like everyone else.

OK. sorry I confused you with somebody else. But I still don't understand why you value Paul over Howard.

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If we can get Howard, that's the trade we make. To me, that's much more important than obtaining Paul.

Trading 2 of the 3 quality bigs for a small is a non-starter in my book.
This is reeediculous!!! The only person you trade Bynum for is Howard. You don't trade your big man for a small with bone on bone in his knee. There is a reason Paul won't sign anywhere without an extension, his knee is garbage and he only has 1 maybe two years left and quite honestly he may not even have 1.

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There is a reason Paul won't sign anywhere without an extension, his knee is garbage and he only has 1 maybe two years left and quite honestly he may not even have 1.

:lmao: :lmao:

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It was a misguided emotional outburst from a player who's been accused of being soft and overly mellow his entire young career.

:lmao:Yeah, cause picking on a guy who is a foot shorter and a hundred pounds lighter is great way to shed the soft label.

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It was a misguided emotional outburst from a player who's been accused of being soft and overly mellow his entire young career.

:lmao:Yeah, cause picking on a guy who is a foot shorter and a hundred pounds lighter is great way to shed the soft label.
Also wasn't it his third such misguided emotional outburst?

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Haters can hate, but as a Laker fan I LOVED that from Bynum. It was his "#### EVERYBODY" moment. We've been waiting for it for a few years now.

I'm in favor of moving Bynum for Howard and/or Paul, but if it doesn't happen, I'm not stressing. I think this is the year the Bynum monster erupts and he's the starting C in the All Star game putting up beast numbers.

Who's we? Speak for yourself. You've been waiting for Bynum to behave like a punk? I'm surprised that you would write this. That act embarrassed and ashamed me as a Laker fan. The only way I can root for the guy again is if I believe that it was an emotional moment from an immature kid who was behaving stupidly and deserves another chance. But if being a Laker fan means that I have to cheer stuff like that, count me out.
Yes tim. I'm installing a "MUST CHEER FOR FLAGRANT FOULS" symbian style machine in each and every Laker fans home that physically forces them to cheer for technical fouls. Let me know if you want me to cancel shipping to your address.

It was a misguided emotional outburst from a player who's been accused of being soft and overly mellow his entire young career. Of course I don't want it happening on a regular basis, but #### it, the Lakers were getting pummeled and no one besides Kobe seemed to give a ####. I was glad to see some emotion - even if it was wrong and cost him 5 games this year.

It was a punk ### move. You think slamming a little guy like Barea makes him look less soft?

And don't try to say now that it was misguided and wrong. I'm going to quote what you wrote above:

I LOVED that from Bynum. It was his "#### EVERYBODY" moment. We've been waiting for it for a few years now.

Sorry Tgunz, but that's disgusting.

Edited by timschochet

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Haters can hate, but as a Laker fan I LOVED that from Bynum. It was his "#### EVERYBODY" moment. We've been waiting for it for a few years now.

I'm in favor of moving Bynum for Howard and/or Paul, but if it doesn't happen, I'm not stressing. I think this is the year the Bynum monster erupts and he's the starting C in the All Star game putting up beast numbers.

Who's we? Speak for yourself. You've been waiting for Bynum to behave like a punk? I'm surprised that you would write this. That act embarrassed and ashamed me as a Laker fan. The only way I can root for the guy again is if I believe that it was an emotional moment from an immature kid who was behaving stupidly and deserves another chance. But if being a Laker fan means that I have to cheer stuff like that, count me out.
Yes tim. I'm installing a "MUST CHEER FOR FLAGRANT FOULS" symbian style machine in each and every Laker fans home that physically forces them to cheer for technical fouls. Let me know if you want me to cancel shipping to your address.

It was a misguided emotional outburst from a player who's been accused of being soft and overly mellow his entire young career. Of course I don't want it happening on a regular basis, but #### it, the Lakers were getting pummeled and no one besides Kobe seemed to give a ####. I was glad to see some emotion - even if it was wrong and cost him 5 games this year.

It was a punk ### move. You think slamming a little guy like Barea makes him look less soft?

And don't try to say now that it was misguided and wrong. I'm going to quote what you wrote above:

I LOVED that from Bynum. It was his "#### EVERYBODY" moment. We've been waiting for it for a few years now.

Sorry Tgunz, but that's disgusting.

:goodposting:

That made me feel very dirty.

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If we can get Howard, that's the trade we make. To me, that's much more important than obtaining Paul.

Trading 2 of the 3 quality bigs for a small is a non-starter in my book.
This is reeediculous!!! The only person you trade Bynum for is Howard. You don't trade your big man for a small with bone on bone in his knee. There is a reason Paul won't sign anywhere without an extension, his knee is garbage and he only has 1 maybe two years left and quite honestly he may not even have 1.
Huh? Are we talking about the same Chris Paul? Does he have a new knee injury that occurred after the last season? You know, the season in which he played 80 of 82 games and was finished 6th overall in Hollinger's PER rankings?

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Stephen A. Smith made a good point today. He said, even if the Lakers trade away 2 out of the 3 bigs, getting Howard still makes them a championship contender, getting Paul doesn't get them to that level. I agree.

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Stephen A. Smith made a good point today. He said, even if the Lakers trade away 2 out of the 3 bigs, getting Howard still makes them a championship contender, getting Paul doesn't get them to that level. I agree.

CP3, Kobe, Artest, Odom, and Gasol isn't a championship contending team?ETA: I"d argue that lineup is actually the best team overall that the Lakers could run out this season, even better than a lineup with Howard. In the long run, I lean toward acquiring Howard for the future however. Edited by tommyGunZ

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