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Own both Kamara & Ingram in 1 league --- looking forward to starting them both weekly soon
(J White & L Miller other options in a standard)
(J White & L Miller other options in a standard)
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Deamon
Footballguy
Ya that's always the risk with the Edelman and Ingram picks. It always seemed like a "just hope to be 2-2" kind of thing when you drafted one, or especially numerous, of those guys.
doeseatplace
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
I agree with your assessment. I picked up Ingram from a nervous owner two weeks into the season with a 20% waiver bid. It's a tough league, and a tight one, and the guy couldn't go 0-3 or he's done. I also think it was an unwise decision by him, but that's not for me to really judge.
Edelman I drafted knowing full well the risk. But both of those roster spots are indeed valuable. I drafted both Gronk and Edelman, and I had no idea Josh Gordon would be on the NE receiving corps, so that news wasn't the best for me. It's going to be a hodgepodge year, and I can only move/trade these guys when they're beginning to be regulars and dominate or the return for them won't be good enough. I'm looking at making a late run.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Can’t believe he wasn’t picked up before waivers locked on Sunday.
Can’t believe he’d be dropped anywhere.
Yea, I agree...although I'm pretty decent at this whole thing myself and forgot to browse to the back of the list for him. I just assumed he was still rostered and missed the transaction. So I'll probably pay for this since I pick pretty late in the order.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Was just offered OBJ for my Ingram/Corey Davis.
12 team PPR league with ONLY 4 bench spots.
Would make my lineup - Goff-Melvin Gordon - OBJ-Thielen-K. Allen - Gronk - K - D
With a crap bench (Rivers, Ekeler, Shepard, empty spot for a RB)
I know this is more an AC question but we were discussing Ingram value.
12 team PPR league with ONLY 4 bench spots.
Would make my lineup - Goff-Melvin Gordon - OBJ-Thielen-K. Allen - Gronk - K - D
With a crap bench (Rivers, Ekeler, Shepard, empty spot for a RB)
I know this is more an AC question but we were discussing Ingram value.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
With Fournette killing me, I'm rolling him out there! All aboard!
Agree if you have injured guys but...do we really think Kamara and Thomas aren't the focal point of their offense? He's a RB2 all day long. Will vulture some TDs but I'm not so sure the layoff won't hurt him.
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Elevencents
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Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Yeah, and guys like Cohen, Aaron Jones, Derrick Henry, Breida are all on waivers. I'll likely pick up Cohen since he's on bye just to have some depth outside the Chargers run game.
Elevencents
Footballguy
I like that trade. Ingram has a brutal f’n schedule and you don’t really need him.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
I like Ingram, but FBG's seems a little generous RB11 ROS in PPR. I think he'll have his smash games, but then I think he'll have a few 18-67-0 and 2-14's mixed in. They might ride him to keep Kamara fresh for the playoffs.
I sure hope not. This would really suck for us Kamara owners if it starts taking both these guys to equal his production in weeks 1-4. If they want Ingram to wear down the D a bit with a handful of carries then no problem. Actually my biggest fear is Ingram ends up with the majority of the GL looks. No doubt Kamara is the lead dog but there are a few ugly scenarios for Kamara owners.
Shawnky
Footballguy
Look at last year. These assumptions you're making are ludicrous. Plus, he's in a contract year.
Elevencents
Footballguy
They both ate last year. No reason to think it won’t happen again this year. I see Kamara still getting his, Ingram is the one I see perhaps underperforming compared to last year.
Statorama
gangster
From a dynasty perspective my dream scenario has him toting the rock for Pittsburgh next year. Fingers crossed.
He's been working out with an old coach of his, so hopefully he's able to hit the ground running this year.
I don't think he's as big a vulture threat TD wise that others seem to view him as. Kamara is such a threat to score, both with his legs and his hands, I don't see how you keep him on the bench in the red zone.
He's been working out with an old coach of his, so hopefully he's able to hit the ground running this year.
I don't think he's as big a vulture threat TD wise that others seem to view him as. Kamara is such a threat to score, both with his legs and his hands, I don't see how you keep him on the bench in the red zone.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
If I were the saints I would want to use Ingram as much as I could this year. Last year of his contract and you have kamara locked up for the long haul. Obviously he isn’t the player that kamara is but he’s still a good runner.
Especially between the tackles, I would look to preserve kamara for the long run, both this year and next
Especially between the tackles, I would look to preserve kamara for the long run, both this year and next
Aznflyer14
Footballguy
Agreed with bold texts. Payton has mentioned in the past on wanting to preserve Kamara as much as he can to retain his explosiveness during course of season and especially in the playoffs. He'll use Ingram often in tackles as well as ball-control possession to keep his defensive team fresh throughout the season.
If anything, Ingram's late night meeting with Saints after their flight from NY bodes well for him in eyes of Payton. This tells me how committed he is to Saints this season and especially his desire to be with his teammates.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
nighttime90
Footballguy
Just at some of the wishful thinking in this thread. Kamaras workload is barely going to be impacted given his dual nature threat as a receiver and RB. They certainly aren’t going to “ride Ingram” and let off the gas to preserve Kamara. Their roles will be similar to last year however I predict Kamara will benefit more due to being more involved with the offense now. Ingram will get his but I don’t think he’s anything more than a mid to high range RB2 going forward ala Marshawn.
leftcoastheel
Footballguy
If you have both, start both and enjoy.
Kamara is the top RB except maybe Gurley and Ingram will be solid RB2 with RB1 upside. That offense is scary good.
Truebluey
Footballguy
I have both, but starting both is a problem as I also have DJ and Mixon as my RBs. For me, Ingram is more of a handcuff.
leftcoastheel
Footballguy
Not a redraft I presume. I play in redrafts... definitely don't have DJ and Kamara...!Truebluey said:
I will be starting both in two FBG Players Championship Leagues.
dipandglide
Footballguy
What's he been doing these last two months (besides being on the sidelines)? I'm an Ingram guy, just curious what you have seen on the social feeds!
Oh you didn't see? He's got his 40 down to 3.9 and has been running through brick walls just for fun.
What did he do for the month on September? That's right...watch his teammates play while serving a suspension. Who cares what he did in pre-season. Are you suggesting that his pre-season workouts have changed? I would hope so because he'll get busted again, if not.
I'm always skeptical of guys coming back from an extended layoff, whether it be from injury or suspension. Some guys just never get on track. Not saying he won't produce, but if your FF championship title hopes rest with this guy...good luck.
Short Corner
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Yes, IIRC. What's the implication. Running harder, doing more?
I've never been high on Ingram and vowed never to roster him but finally have. I changed my mind the past three years. Seems like more of a victim of the Saints game planning than anything else.
Kamara is a beast, though.
Who knows?
I would think he will bust his ### on all touches. Of course I think he already does anyway. Would really like to see him as the feature back somewhere as long as its where a QB can get him the ball as a receiver. I've got him and Bell and hope one goes to Indy next year.
Synthesizer
Footballguy
Do you have any data to support this theory? Here are a few players that performed pretty well after a suspension:
E.Elliot was suspended 6 games in 2017. In his first game back he put up 120 yards.
T.Brady was suspended 4 games in 2016. In his first game back he put up 400 yards and 3 TDs.
L.Bell was suspended 3 games in 2016. In his first game back he put up 180 yards.
M.Bryant was suspended 5 games in 2016. In his first game back he put up 140 yards and 2 TDs.
rockaction
Footballguy
Ah, yep. Makes sense. Would be nice to see that.
Much like people have other irrational prejudices, I have mine about backs from Alabama. It's weird. But he's won me over when I watch.
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dipandglide
Footballguy
Owners heads would explode if he ended up on the Steelers next year
Mine is WRs from Ohio State. Drafted David Boston but he pumped himself right out of the league. Such an idiot and his parents & sister were smart & successful. Fortunately I didn't have a shot at Michael Thomas because I would have ended up passing on him.
rockaction
Footballguy
That's awesome.
Laughing with, not at. You also have Smith-Schuster and Golladay and Hill, don't you?
You...did not draft Lamar Miller like I did.
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Chaka
Footballguy
AJ and Golladay. Zeke and Marshawn at RB.That's awesome.
Laughing with, not at. You also have Smith-Schuster and Golladay and Hill, don't you?
You...did not draft Lamar Miller like I did.
Didn't draft Miller but I did draft Drake which I think is worse.
rockaction
Footballguy
Marshawn has been sweet at his ADP, eh?
Nice work.
Catch a touch like AJ, spin, raise your arms to the sky, and let the ball just fall where it does.
