jurb26
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I own them in leagues as well. I'd laugh in your face if you offered me Smith for Ingram.
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Perhaps I don't, but he's certainly giving Ingram a larger role this far in 2014 than he has for all of ingram's 4 year career. And he's involving him a bit in the passing game too which helps make the offense less one dimensional when Ingram is in the backfield. So, that's a change.
I'm mad at myself as well. I grabbed him in one league and started him this week based on Bell tearing up the Browns last week, but I had him easy in another and I didn't realize I skipped him for another RB (I thought he was gone already). With Reggie Bush seemingly invisible, it would have been nice if I didn't do something stupid. I liked him and had him on my radar as a late round stash and only in one league with lots of FBGs do I think I really didn't have a shot (got my QBBC of Cutler/Dalton instead and had a keeper pick right after).
IMO he has a pretty low floor and only moderately high ceiling right now. He's playing really, really well, and they're still only giving him 12 carries per game. What's going to happen if he only has a 2 ypc on his first 5 carries of a game? What if he fumbles, drops a pass, or Robinson or Thomas gets hot?
chad in Indy
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jurb26
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Apologies. I really only looked at Leo's post. Misread it for sure.
Fat Nick
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I just traded Ingram for R. Wayne...I'm happy about it given my situation. If the cards were different, maybe not so much.
I went WR/WR to start (picked last) and got AJ and D. Thomas. I then went on to build a stable of RB's in Spiller, J. Bell, Ingram, Pierce, Hyde, and Asiata (added). My WR3 was Hartline or Jennings...Now, I'm headed into likely 2 weeks with out AJ, and I was really OK with any of Spiller/Bell/Ingram/Pierce starting most weeks, but Wayne would start every week, so I took it.
He may boom...but I think it's equally as likely this will be his best 2 week stretch of the season. Who knows...
I went WR/WR to start (picked last) and got AJ and D. Thomas. I then went on to build a stable of RB's in Spiller, J. Bell, Ingram, Pierce, Hyde, and Asiata (added). My WR3 was Hartline or Jennings...Now, I'm headed into likely 2 weeks with out AJ, and I was really OK with any of Spiller/Bell/Ingram/Pierce starting most weeks, but Wayne would start every week, so I took it.
He may boom...but I think it's equally as likely this will be his best 2 week stretch of the season. Who knows...
shader
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Ingram is running like the HOF runner I thought he would be when I started this thread. As such, you gotta start Ingram until he stops running that good. He's on an explosive offense, and he's going to get 10-15 TD's.
The problem is the number of carries he's getting. It's absolutely insane that they are only giving him the ball 10-12 times a game. Payton is 0-2 and he has nobody to blame but himself.
That being said, I'm sure Ingram will have some huge stinkers this year. Some 9 carries for 40 yard games will happen. But there also is the possibility that Payton realizes what he has and Ingram runs for 1500 yards this year. He's running that good.
The thing is, we can't use Ingram's first two years to show what Payton will do. Ingram stunk his first two years. Every time he got the ball, he failed to make plays. He also was a signal to the opposing defense that the play was a run, when he entered the game.
That changed towards the end of last year, the preseason and the start of this season. He's running angry and looking to destroy people. If Payton gives him a chance, he will dominate this season and win a lot of people their leagues. If he doesn't give him a chance, he'll still be a solid starter that will have some big games, and some poor games.
Either way, I'd grab him in dynasty because he is going to explode next year.
The problem is the number of carries he's getting. It's absolutely insane that they are only giving him the ball 10-12 times a game. Payton is 0-2 and he has nobody to blame but himself.
That being said, I'm sure Ingram will have some huge stinkers this year. Some 9 carries for 40 yard games will happen. But there also is the possibility that Payton realizes what he has and Ingram runs for 1500 yards this year. He's running that good.
The thing is, we can't use Ingram's first two years to show what Payton will do. Ingram stunk his first two years. Every time he got the ball, he failed to make plays. He also was a signal to the opposing defense that the play was a run, when he entered the game.
That changed towards the end of last year, the preseason and the start of this season. He's running angry and looking to destroy people. If Payton gives him a chance, he will dominate this season and win a lot of people their leagues. If he doesn't give him a chance, he'll still be a solid starter that will have some big games, and some poor games.
Either way, I'd grab him in dynasty because he is going to explode next year.
shader
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hopefully this is ppr. If so, probably a decent trade. If not, it was a horrible trade.
shader
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well he has scored 37 points in 2 weeks if that's what a moderately high ceiling is. he is going to be in the top 5 for RBs so clearly he is startable in almost any league
All good points, but considering the rash of injuries to rbs across the league and also the ineffectiveness and rbbc situations that many other face, I still feel he a pretty easy start next week.
Yep, I consider that a moderately high ceiling in PPR. It's not a knock on him (although he isn't going to be in the top 5 for RBs), it's just the numbers- it's pretty tough to have a very high ceiling if you aren't getting a ton of touches.
TheFanatic
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I traded him before the season. About a week before the season. I traded Toby Gerhart and a first rounder in 2015 for Ingram and a 1st in 2016 and one in 2018. Straight up looks good right now. Getting an extra first rounder in a league that has franchise and transition tags that require first rounders to even bid on those players much less draft the top rookies.
Kool-Aid Larry
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Chaka
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msudaisy26
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That was last year though, I got that offer this year. Right before the start of week 1 lol
Fat Nick
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0.5ppr...Like I said, not considering situations, I think I could've gotten more...but I feel a lot better starting D. Thomas, Wayne, and Jennings/Hartline/James Jones along side some combination of Spiller/Bell/Pierce and Asiata than I would starting D. Thomas and 2 of the 3 lower-level WR's and RB's with Ingram. Plus, when AJ comes back from his turf toe, I'll have argueable the best starting WR corps in the league.
We have no idea if they win without those things happening, but you're making a pretty good case for running the ball more...
bulger2holt
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Great, Ingram is out a month. I'm screwed
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Wtf u talking about?
bulger2holt
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@AdamSchefter: Saints RB Mark Ingram is expected to miss about a month with a hand injury he suffered Sunday, per source.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
get the body bag
Week2 2014 - the massacre
Week2 2014 - the massacre
Franknbeans
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tape it up and get back in there
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
The last two pages of this thread are funny to read. Super excited to sad... Lol
msudaisy26
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Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
SameSongNDance
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Wow. Not an owner but that's crap.
Ghost Rider
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Damn. And I was finally comfortable enough to finally start him in several leagues.
