rdrouyn
Footballguy
Too early to say they are horrible, they have some talent there. They were a top defense last year. Regression to the mean and all that.
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bulger2holt
Footballguy
Get's some rest Ingram and we'll see you fresh in 10 days. Pierre Thomas, stay away and don't piss on the parade, nomsayin' ?
just_want_2_win
Footballguy
So how long do we expect this to continue? Will he get hurt again? How much will Khiry siphon off? Sell high?
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
why say anything negative at all? hes working his ### off on the field...he at least deserves some respect ...nit picking just looks awful
werdnoynek
Footballguy
Milkman has officially taken the wet blanket role from Kool-Aid Larry. We've missed you on the Watkins thread pal.
ETA: Comic relief is always nice.
ETA: Comic relief is always nice.
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Agreed. I watched the last two games and he played well tonight. The difference in defensive play was evident. GB and Carolina were both bad statistically, but if you watched both games there was no doubt that the Panthers played more like their top 5 run D last year. They have the talent in the front 7 to play really well against the run. Honestly, I am not sure why they have been bad other than letting up some huge runs that didn't happen last year.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I agree that selling probably isn't the right move, but the way the RB landscape is, there are situations where it could make a lot of sense. Half the teams in my league are just a mess at RB.
rdrouyn
Footballguy
If someone is buying thinking he is an RB1, then hell yeah sell high. I feel pretty confident that he will be a solid RB2 going forward though, so dont just give him away.
just_want_2_win
Footballguy
Why not? Two big performances, guy gets hurt fairly often, Khiry will return and likely eat into those carry counts at least a little.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
top 10 rb from here out?
Milkman
Footballguy
oh I see you put me on ignore when your players aren't performing and then you take me off and talk crap when they are doing well. lol Werd.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Oh sorry, I didn't realize you projected someone to score 4 TD's. Now your posts are totally reasonable.No look at the thread earlier...I said 30-35 carries, 4 TD. He had a chance for 3 TD and did do 30 carries. His YPC was low, only 3.3. He had been averaging I think 5.7, which would've netted 171 yards, which would've been a knockout punch to any FF opponent. This was a good night but could've been a lot more.Boring shtick
steelerfan1
Footballguy
just saw this:
(KFFL)New Orleans Saints RB Mark Ingram (shoulder) suffered a right shoulder injury in the first half of the team's game Thursday, Oct. 30, and will play the rest of the game with a brace.
(KFFL)New Orleans Saints RB Mark Ingram (shoulder) suffered a right shoulder injury in the first half of the team's game Thursday, Oct. 30, and will play the rest of the game with a brace.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
Well, most of my teams are a mess at RB...I have Ingram in four leagues and he's my best RB in 3 of them (due to taking Peterson in two and generally going hard on WR/TE early, and also going heavy on Ryan Mathews and Reggie Bush)
Only road games left are CHI and PIT, and he's been 'running angry' for awhile now.
I know people keep saying "well, he did well this week because ___ but don't expect that going forward" but that's 4 very good games out of 4 weeks where we expected good games (and one bad game where we expected a bad game)
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Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
30 carries certainly better than 6
just_want_2_win
Footballguy
Carolina getting gashed on the ground and Ingram stood to get all the work with Khiry and PT out. Why not 4? Almost had 3.Oh sorry, I didn't realize you projected someone to score 4 TD's. Now your posts are totally reasonable.No look at the thread earlier...I said 30-35 carries, 4 TD. He had a chance for 3 TD and did do 30 carries. His YPC was low, only 3.3. He had been averaging I think 5.7, which would've netted 171 yards, which would've been a knockout punch to any FF opponent. This was a good night but could've been a lot more.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
He was the game plan tonight
just_want_2_win
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They are going to be thinking playoffs. You don't continually feed 25-30 carries per week to your guy if you don't have to. Lots of games left. So I'm sure other RB's will get rotated in, to a degree.
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Buffaloes
Footballguy
Because it's Payton. Not saying to sell him, but he'll almost certainly mess with what's been working.
karmarooster
Footballguy
This man is a beast. SO many carries on the week, but he ran hard and fiery as always. Pounding the ground when he only got two yards even with the brace on his shoulder. I don't think the injury was serious and he should be rested in 10 days.
Payton is a rational coach and he sees that Ingram is back that gets better if he gets 20 carries, and has favored him at the goal line all year (6 TDs in 5 games).
88 carries, 430 yards (4.9 ypc), 6 TDs.... Khiry and PT were active weeks 1 and 2, and yet when (if) they come back from injury suddenly Ingram will lose carries after being this effective? No way, they will simply spell him. 10 days rest and 15-20 carries going forward should be just fine.
Top 10 RB rest of schedule..... (maybe not quite PPR).
Payton is a rational coach and he sees that Ingram is back that gets better if he gets 20 carries, and has favored him at the goal line all year (6 TDs in 5 games).
88 carries, 430 yards (4.9 ypc), 6 TDs.... Khiry and PT were active weeks 1 and 2, and yet when (if) they come back from injury suddenly Ingram will lose carries after being this effective? No way, they will simply spell him. 10 days rest and 15-20 carries going forward should be just fine.
Top 10 RB rest of schedule..... (maybe not quite PPR).
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ourmanflint
Footballguy
Whatever. He was dead pissed when Payton pulled him on the last drive when the game was in the bag.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Because it's extremely rare. It's like projecting a QB to throw for 575 yards and then acting disappointed when he doesn't.Carolina getting gashed on the ground and Ingram stood to get all the work with Khiry and PT out. Why not 4? Almost had 3.Oh sorry, I didn't realize you projected someone to score 4 TD's. Now your posts are totally reasonable.No look at the thread earlier...I said 30-35 carries, 4 TD. He had a chance for 3 TD and did do 30 carries. His YPC was low, only 3.3. He had been averaging I think 5.7, which would've netted 171 yards, which would've been a knockout punch to any FF opponent. This was a good night but could've been a lot more.
Adam Harstad
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Dodds and Henry had him at 11th RoS this week, and that was before he got 30 carries and 2 TDs tonight. I think top-10 is totally doable. I'm valuing him as a low-end RB1 the rest of the way.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
rdrouyn
Footballguy
Is that assuming he gets 20+ carries? Can he do it with 15 carries and a couple of receptions?
I Am the Stig
Footballguy
Because RBs like Arian Foster and Demarco Murray are limited to 15 touches for their production?Volume has always been a necessary component of any successful RB.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
what i love is he sees a crease and hes off and running ...fast and hard...and when the lanes are clogged he still doesn't go down on first contact...he fights for every inch
I Am the Stig
Footballguy
You mean the same San Fran defense that brought Tre Mason onto the scene?
jurb26
Footballguy
Wait so there are some complaints about a 100+ and 2 TD game? WTF?
I was at the game and it was a bit strange how much Car committed to stopping the run IMO. They stacked the box a lot and I'm not surprised running lanes were tough to come by. Still, what was more surprising is that NO stayed with the run and feed Ingram 30 carries.
As far as ROS, Ingram is a top 10 RB rather easily IMO. On the season he ranks as RB4 in PPG. The only game he's played and scored less than 16 points was last week, his first game back from injury. NO seems more committed to getting him the ball this year, even before this week and he's already shown to put up terrific results based on he weeks 1 and 2 performances.
I was at the game and it was a bit strange how much Car committed to stopping the run IMO. They stacked the box a lot and I'm not surprised running lanes were tough to come by. Still, what was more surprising is that NO stayed with the run and feed Ingram 30 carries.
As far as ROS, Ingram is a top 10 RB rather easily IMO. On the season he ranks as RB4 in PPG. The only game he's played and scored less than 16 points was last week, his first game back from injury. NO seems more committed to getting him the ball this year, even before this week and he's already shown to put up terrific results based on he weeks 1 and 2 performances.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Fever in the Funkhouse
Footballguy
Are the saints running more inside the ten this year? Feels like it. Jimmy is still the number one option there, but gotta love the commitment to run at goaline. And I'm not talkin' about the once in a blue moon qb sneaks.
shadyridr
Footballguy
what was so special about mason vs sf?
I Am the Stig
Footballguy
What was so special about San Fran's D against Mason? What has been so special about San Fran's D at all?You do realize that this is 2014 and not 2013 right? Reputation and brand name convinced people to bench Ingram most of the season already. There are enough weapons on NO that simply stacking the box will not work. Ingram will find room.shadyridr said:
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shadyridr
Footballguy
Theyre the #2 defense in football & #4 vs the rush
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/sort/netYardsPerGame/position/defense
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mphtrilogy
Footballguy
hes been passing the eyeball test fro the word go this season, looked great in the pre-season, has looked great every single game he has played.
I don't know if hes a top 10 the rest of the way, but I do know he's in my lineup until further notice.
Saints know there season is turning around, and its no coincidence that the Ingram has been a big part of that. He's even helped Brees look better.
I don't know if hes a top 10 the rest of the way, but I do know he's in my lineup until further notice.
Saints know there season is turning around, and its no coincidence that the Ingram has been a big part of that. He's even helped Brees look better.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Pretty much a must start, the guy scores TDs and runs with anger
I Am the Stig
Footballguy
I Am the Stig
Footballguy
karmarooster
Footballguy
Complaining that Ingram "only" had a 3.3 YPC on 30 rushes on 3 days rest after 24 rushes (7.2 YPC) Sunday night is like complaining that Madison Bumgarner "only" had a 97 MPH fastball coming off two days rest.
