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Mark Ingram (2 Viewers)
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Insein
Footballguy
shadyridr
Footballguy
yeah he wasnt a three down back either. Kavin faulk was the third down back
Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
He wouldn't need to be on the field for every snap to have value. 17-22 carries and 2 catches a game and he would be fine.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
14-16 Car @Chi Atl just makes me horny.
Wow...I didn't know it was that good. He has to be the ww pick up of the year in redraft.
Sir Psycho
Footballguy
MattFancy
Footballguy
Pick up? I drafted him in the 2 leagues I own him and don't think he hit the WW in the other 2.
Adam Harstad
Moderator
It's just a matter of what they can afford. Good teams lose players. For New Orleans, it's not a question of "is Mark Ingram great", it's a question of "is Mark Ingram $5+ million dollars better than some combination of Khiry, Pierre, and Cadet, knowing that we're so far over the cap right now that that $5m is going to come at the expense of another player we really like, instead?"
Chris Ivory was a really good runner, too. Maybe not as good as Ingram has looked recently, but he wasn't as expensive as Ingram is going to be, either.
montana_grizzly_bears
Footballguy
He hit a lot of WW while hurt, especially with the way Thomas and Robinson are used. My guess is carries drop down to the 15-18 range a game giving him about 75-90 yards and possibly a td a game. Still in the RB2 range borderline RB1.
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Adam Harstad
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In the three games Pierre played, Ingram averaged 2.67 targets, 2 receptions, and 11.67 receiving yards. So basically identical receiving numbers with and without Pierre. His rushing numbers are really what has spiked with Pierre out, though some of that is just because the Detroit game (10/16/0 rushing) fell in the "with Pierre" sample and not the "without Pierre" sample- it wasn't the presence of Pierre Thomas that held Ingram to 16 yards in that game.
Adam Harstad
Moderator
They did not. It's been around for decades. See also: Larry Centers, Terry Metcalf, Ronnie Harmon, Keith Byars, Tony Nathan, Terry Kirby, etc.
For the most part, there's not really any new ideas in the NFL, there's just old ideas that get dusted off and recycled.
JFS171
Footballguy
Those saying Carolina would be a fit - don't see it. Too many needs elsewhere, too much cap hell to still sort through, and JStew can't go anywhere without paying him heavily to do so. I'd be floored if Carolina brought in a FA RB.
I think ATL is a legit possibility, as is NE.
I think ATL is a legit possibility, as is NE.
RBM
Footballguy
Adam Harstad
Moderator
I wouldn't mind Oakland as an Ingram owner. I can think of worse landing spots. At least he'd be a workhorse.
Personally, I'd be most excited for Indianapolis. Bradshaw is on a 1-year contract and Richardson is ungood. Plenty of cap space.
Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
I wouldn't want to see Oakland. Indy or Atlanta would be great, or in the unlikely event Murray leaves Dallas
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karmarooster
Footballguy
Really? I can't think of anywhere worse... maybe if the Browns added to their 3 RBs? lol
JFS171
Footballguy
Oakland with the current regime, no thanks. Oakland with regime change, OK. I can think of much better places, but a new GM, new HC (Gruden perhaps, finally off the sidelines?), and plenty of cap space with some pieces in place... that could work just fine.
I believe the current Oakland system is broken, and will continue to be broken despite flashes of "success" until sweeping changes are made. Call it the Gene Smith theory.
thecardiackid
Footballguy
I'm thinking Eric Metcalf, but then again, i'm biased...
as for our boy mark ingram, he's #13 in RB points through this week, on 3 to 4 less games played. SOD (along with bradshaw imo)
we've got the NFC north run coming home vs. CIN / BAL then @ PIT. BAL is the only game that might be concerning.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
NO needs to cut PT and Colston to resign him. I actually could see it happening.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
thecardiackid said:
Remaining opponents rank vs the RB pos (FF pts allowed to RBs) thru wk 9
Cin 28
Bal 2
@Pit 15
Car 29
@Chi 13
Atl 32
FF playoffs =
Andrew74
Footballguy
thecardiackid said:
Remaining opponents rank vs the RB pos (FF pts allowed to RBs) thru wk 9
Cin 28
Bal 2
@Pit 15
Car 29
@Chi 13
Atl 32
FF playoffs =
What's also encouraging for all Saints' players owners is that if ATL stays within a game, then NO will have to play hard all the way through week 16 b/c ATL owns the tie-break due to week 1.thecardiackid said:
Remaining opponents rank vs the RB pos (FF pts allowed to RBs) thru wk 9
Cin 28
Bal 2
@Pit 15
Car 29
@Chi 13
Atl 32
FF playoffs =
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Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
What's also encouraging for all Saints' players owners is that if ATL stays within a game, then NO will have to play hard all the way through week 16 b/c ATL owns the tie-break due to week 1.thecardiackid said:
Remaining opponents rank vs the RB pos (FF pts allowed to RBs) thru wk 9
Cin 28
Bal 2
@Pit 15
Car 29
@Chi 13
Atl 32
FF playoffs =
Loved that NO lost last week.
That's a big if. ATL beat NO week 1 and since then ATL has defeated ONE team. Tampa Bay. That's it.What's also encouraging for all Saints' players owners is that if ATL stays within a game, then NO will have to play hard all the way through week 16 b/c ATL owns the tie-break due to week 1.thecardiackid said:
Remaining opponents rank vs the RB pos (FF pts allowed to RBs) thru wk 9
Cin 28
Bal 2
@Pit 15
Car 29
@Chi 13
Atl 32
FF playoffs =
Even if ATL can pull something out of their butt @CAR and vsCLE coming up, after that it's ARI, @GB, vsPIT.
I fully expect NO to put some distance on ATL before week 16, unfortunately. And ATL is so bad that NO could get up by 3+ scores in the third quarter and not have to run Ingram into the ground if they don't want to.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I expect it to be much like the first two games of the season, Ingram will have less of the load but be the most effective RB with his touches
Free agent RBs Mikel Leshoure, Andre Brown, Tim Hightower and Brian Leonard worked out for the Saints on Tuesday.
It's a strong indication at least one of Pierre Thomas (shoulder) and Khiry Robinson (arm) won't be ready for Week 11, if not both
Lets do this again! Really good matchup this too!
It's a strong indication at least one of Pierre Thomas (shoulder) and Khiry Robinson (arm) won't be ready for Week 11, if not both
Lets do this again! Really good matchup this too!
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Interesting. Wonder if one of them (Khiry?) might be out for the year? Who knows but we are going on a month now.
Cincy is spiraling. Choo choo Mr. Ingram.
Timmay
Footballguy
From Rotoworld:
Saints signed RB Brian Leonard.
Leonard got the contract over fellow free agent RBs Mikel Leshoure, Andre Brown, and Tim Hightower, who all worked out for New Orleans this week. Leonard has experience in blitz pickup, but won't be a fantasy threat whatsoever.
Saints signed RB Brian Leonard.
Leonard got the contract over fellow free agent RBs Mikel Leshoure, Andre Brown, and Tim Hightower, who all worked out for New Orleans this week. Leonard has experience in blitz pickup, but won't be a fantasy threat whatsoever.
Chaka
Footballguy
[SIZE=14.2857141494751px]If they signed LeShoure I was sure it would be a sign that Khiry was worse off then previously indicated. [/SIZE]But this seems to bode poorly for PT more then Khiry, no? Leonard seems more valuable in the passing game to me.
Timmay
Footballguy
That is my first impression. I would say Leonard would effect Thomas and/or Cadet more than anyone.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
DNP for Pierre and Khiry
Did Not Participate
RB Pierre Thomas
(Rib/Shoulder)
WR Robert Meachem (Ankle)
RB Khiry Robinson (Arm)
RB Edwin Baker (Concussion)
DB Keenan Lewis (Knee)
LB Curtis Lofton (Ankle)
P Thomas Morstead (Illness)
Did Not Participate
RB Pierre Thomas
(Rib/Shoulder)WR Robert Meachem
(Ankle)RB Khiry Robinson
(Arm)RB Edwin Baker
(Concussion)DB Keenan Lewis
(Knee)LB Curtis Lofton
(Ankle)P Thomas Morstead
(Illness)
GreenNGold
Footballguy
Let's keep this HOF train rolling!
Insein
Footballguy
Barely hanging on to a division lead when that is the only ticket to the playoffs right now, I see Payton doing what works. A steady balance of run with Ingram sets up Brees a lot better than just chucking it 50 times. Payton's a smart guy. Ingram should get 20+ carries from here on out.
Alonzo Mosely
Footballguy
I think they are going to clinch early. CAR and ATL are horrible and NOR has a bunch of home games left. Those last few weeks might see him dialed back to 15.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
I dont think ive ever seen so many people in denial of whats right in front of their own eyes lol
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
IgglesFan
Footballguy
Huh? They have two tough home games against the Bengals and Ravens, then play three of their last five outdoors in December.
I doubt they are pass-heavy in Week 13 at Pittsburgh or Week 15 at Chicago, two places were running the ball in December is a way of life.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
That Ingram is playing really well and even though NO should get Thomas & Khiry back, that Ingram remains the Bellcow.
I have my doubts because Payton is Payton, but Thomases role was greatly reduced this pre-season according to the hype
