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matttyl
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Last year the Saints backfield had 491 total touches (361 rush, 130 rec). The year before 518 (347 rush, 171 rec). Just to add some context.
That was with Thomas and Robinson missing 11 combined games. Also, Ingram averages 3.5 games missed per year so missing 3 games last year was better than usual. Given that fact and the addition of Spiller (and subtraction of Thomas who only had 90 touches), I'll take the under on 240 touches.
deancheated
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I agree. Love Brees, but the slow decline is coming. We are seeing it with Peyton too. I think the coaches see that, and the result is Ingram gets more carries, they bring in Spiller, just makes sense for this offense.matttyl said:I guess I just see more than the 480 touches that were projected in total. I just don't see Brees chucking it 650-670 times this year.
There's always a 4th string guy that gets some touches. Plus, total number of plays is not a static number like some would have you believe. There are teams that see a dip in passes AND rushes from the year before. It happens. I'm not saying it'll happen to the Saints, but don't expect them to throw the ball 600 times instead of 658 and magically run the ball 58 more times. That's not the way it works. With the departure of Graham and Stills, it's very likely the RBs see more carries and targets. I just feel that Spiller is the likely beneficiary of that due to his versatility and explosiveness. Pierre Thomas had 224 touches in 2013 with Sproles (124 touches) on the roster and this guy things Spiller is going to only have 150 touches with Thomas, Sproles, and Cadet gone? Fuzzy math.matttyl said:
FWIW, I like Ingram. I just like his fantasy outlook a lot less now that Spiller is on the team. I thought he was finally going to get some third down snaps this year. He's not bad in that phase of the game. I really wanted to see him on another team to be honest, but things looked ok in New Orleans before Spiller was signed.
Shutout
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Are you seeing the Saints trying to resurrect the Sproles role with Spiller?FF Ninja said:There's always a 4th string guy that gets some touches. Plus, total number of plays is not a static number like some would have you believe. There are teams that see a dip in passes AND rushes from the year before. It happens. I'm not saying it'll happen to the Saints, but don't expect them to throw the ball 600 times instead of 658 and magically run the ball 58 more times. That's not the way it works. With the departure of Graham and Stills, it's very likely the RBs see more carries and targets. I just feel that Spiller is the likely beneficiary of that due to his versatility and explosiveness. Pierre Thomas had 224 touches in 2013 with Sproles (124 touches) on the roster and this guy things Spiller is going to only have 150 touches with Thomas, Sproles, and Cadet gone? Fuzzy math.matttyl said:
FWIW, I like Ingram. I just like his fantasy outlook a lot less now that Spiller is on the team. I thought he was finally going to get some third down snaps this year. He's not bad in that phase of the game. I really wanted to see him on another team to be honest, but things looked ok in New Orleans before Spiller was signed.
msommer
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I get what you are really asking but to answer what you wrote: I'd be a lot happier if the Saints coaches were looking at resurrecting the Spiller in their offense in 2015.
Will he be the pass catching back?
Hopefully it will be a littel harder to figure out than that (from an NFL standpoint obviously).
Will he be the pass catching back?
Hopefully it will be a littel harder to figure out than that (from an NFL standpoint obviously).
Sort of. Spiller has hit 200 carries in back-to-back seasons. Sproles never cracked 100. Payton doesn't pigeon hole players into roles. He creates roles based on skill set. I think Spiller could see more of a 2013 Pierre Thomas type role, though, if we're trying to find a closest fit. If the Saints are behind in the 4th, Spiller could become the 3 down back. I don't see why they would hesitate to hand off to him if there are 6 DBs on the field obviously playing the pass. Spiller can eat up 20 yards in a hurry if the situation is right with a chance to take it all the way. He's not an ideal inside runner, that's what Ingram is there for, but like Pierre Thomas, he can be called upon to do it.Are you seeing the Saints trying to resurrect the Sproles role with Spiller?FF Ninja said:There's always a 4th string guy that gets some touches. Plus, total number of plays is not a static number like some would have you believe. There are teams that see a dip in passes AND rushes from the year before. It happens. I'm not saying it'll happen to the Saints, but don't expect them to throw the ball 600 times instead of 658 and magically run the ball 58 more times. That's not the way it works. With the departure of Graham and Stills, it's very likely the RBs see more carries and targets. I just feel that Spiller is the likely beneficiary of that due to his versatility and explosiveness. Pierre Thomas had 224 touches in 2013 with Sproles (124 touches) on the roster and this guy things Spiller is going to only have 150 touches with Thomas, Sproles, and Cadet gone? Fuzzy math.matttyl said:
FWIW, I like Ingram. I just like his fantasy outlook a lot less now that Spiller is on the team. I thought he was finally going to get some third down snaps this year. He's not bad in that phase of the game. I really wanted to see him on another team to be honest, but things looked ok in New Orleans before Spiller was signed.
psychobillies
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Pretty much.Are you seeing the Saints trying to resurrect the Sproles role with Spiller?FF Ninja said:There's always a 4th string guy that gets some touches. Plus, total number of plays is not a static number like some would have you believe. There are teams that see a dip in passes AND rushes from the year before. It happens. I'm not saying it'll happen to the Saints, but don't expect them to throw the ball 600 times instead of 658 and magically run the ball 58 more times. That's not the way it works. With the departure of Graham and Stills, it's very likely the RBs see more carries and targets. I just feel that Spiller is the likely beneficiary of that due to his versatility and explosiveness. Pierre Thomas had 224 touches in 2013 with Sproles (124 touches) on the roster and this guy things Spiller is going to only have 150 touches with Thomas, Sproles, and Cadet gone? Fuzzy math.matttyl said:
FWIW, I like Ingram. I just like his fantasy outlook a lot less now that Spiller is on the team. I thought he was finally going to get some third down snaps this year. He's not bad in that phase of the game. I really wanted to see him on another team to be honest, but things looked ok in New Orleans before Spiller was signed.
NajehHejan
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Not concerned with Spiller. Even if stays healthy, he won't get too much work. Love Ingram this year.
Mike Triplett@MikeTriplett
#Saints Mark Ingram continues to be featured as pass catcher once or twice per day, especially with Spiller sidelined. Nice gain from Brees
8:12 AM - 20 Aug 2015
#Saints Mark Ingram continues to be featured as pass catcher once or twice per day, especially with Spiller sidelined. Nice gain from Brees
8:12 AM - 20 Aug 2015
karmarooster
Footballguy
Love the way Ingram ran last year. Another year getting the carries and TDs in this offense (he's now the best RZ option), and should eclipse 964/9/29/145 from last year. Still gets dinged for some reason (probably early career suckage) and inspires one of the 'chippiest' discussion outside of the Michael thread. Too many people were burned by him to keep it objective. I never drafted him over AJG or Julio, so don't have that issue. Remember, he plays the Falcons and Bucs 4x.
Low end RB1 at RB2 value. If he catches 40+ passes, likely top 5ish RB. A much safer pick than e.g. Randle, Abdullah (as much as I loved that run), LMurray, Ellington (who should fall). Basically everyone in his neighborhood.
Low end RB1 at RB2 value. If he catches 40+ passes, likely top 5ish RB. A much safer pick than e.g. Randle, Abdullah (as much as I loved that run), LMurray, Ellington (who should fall). Basically everyone in his neighborhood.
Kwai Chang Caine
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Every time I read about him I kick myself for taking spiller once so far. At least I have Ingram on one team with a shot at two more. I'm really coming to believe Brees' quotes about Ingram are not a smoke screen. How much work has Spiler even gotten?
saintsfan1977
Footballguy
Not much and I dont think he gets any until the season starts. Payton said he will be ready week 1. He is pretty tight lipped about injuries. Simialr to Belichick
cstu
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Milkman
Footballguy
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Who is available?
Most think its probably all of the rookies.
Are you having too much talent and have to throw some back in? Or can you just keep him?
Apple Juice
Footballguy
Ingram will be a beast this season. NO is going to pound it on the ground this season like when they had Deuce in his prime.
FUBAR
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Milkman
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FUBAR
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Meatwad Reloaded
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Star.
First two plays on offense tonight:
[SIZE=10.5pt]1st and 10 at NO 30 (13:09) D.Brees pass short middle to M.Ingram to NO 41 for 11 yards (J.Morris). Pass 3, YAC 8 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]1st and 10 at NO 41 (12:31) (Shotgun) D.Brees pass short right to M.Ingram pushed ob at NE 30 for 29 yards (D.Harmon; J.Collins). Pass 10, YAC 19[/SIZE]
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Damn nice, Ingram in the passing game just like Brees was espousing.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Not according to Brees.
I'm not really wondering who I should listen to. Looks a lot like some typical owner/pimp-hype.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Ingram didnt cut his team a big discount to not be given every shot to be the main man.
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Seriously though, this doesn't really add up. Do you think Spiller is going to be the starting RB? These were the 1st two offensive plays of the game remember (both 1st downs).
I'm not saying that Spiller isn't going to be the main guy in the passing game, but there is still room for Ingram to catch a decent amount of passes, which has been talked about this pre-season.
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SameSongNDance
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Brees 29 yard pass to Ingram. I wouldn't mind owning either Ingram or Spiller (PPR) this year at their current ADPs. Both are talented, running behind a great OL and have a soft schedules. I don't see why they can't both be productive.
If you listen to anything other than the absolute, 100% occurrence of pure RB committee goodness, every season of Sean Payton's coaching career, as well as every season of every descendant of his in the coaching tree, you're nuts.BigSteelThrill said:
It's like 20 years of RBBC's, none of stud feature backs.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Completely agree.Not sure why anyone would think Payton suddenly wants to feature one back, and even if he did Ingram has mustered 255, 85, 162, and 133 TOTAL TOUCHES his first four years so I have my doubts he is up to the workload. Sounds like a lot of people trying to talk themselves into believing Ingram has suddenly changed into a three down back. For those that think he has.... how many touches do you thunk his career suddenly spikes up to?If you listen to anything other than the absolute, 100% occurrence of pure RB committee goodness, every season of Sean Payton's coaching career, as well as every season of every descendant of his in the coaching tree, you're nuts.BigSteelThrill said:
Keep in mind that P.Thomas continues to float out there in FA having turned down only a vet minimum offer. As the preseason grinds forward the likelyhood he returns to the offensive system he already knows increases and he has the trust of Payton/Brees already. Even if you think Spiller may be a complete bust(which seems way too early to tell) you have to admit Thomas could slide right back into his old role. Thomas played great last year and it's baffling to me a team won't give him more than the minimum but NO could be the big winner.
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BustedKnuckles
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more out of necessity than anything else id imagine....look at the player personnel....the wr`s arent what they used to be and you can see they want to pound the ball more this season....spiller will be a factor but i think he comes in to spell Ingram more than anything ...he seems to get dinged up a lot ...cant imagine they would use him for more than 10 -12 touches a game if thatCompletely agree.Not sure why anyone would think Payton suddenly wants to feature one back, and even if he did Ingram has mustered 255, 85, 162, and 133 TOTAL TOUCHES his first four years so I have my doubts he is up to the workload. Sounds like a lot of people trying to talk themselves into believing Ingram has suddenly changed into a three down back. For those that think he has.... how many touches do you thunk his career suddenly spikes up to?If you listen to anything other than the absolute, 100% occurrence of pure RB committee goodness, every season of Sean Payton's coaching career, as well as every season of every descendant of his in the coaching tree, you're nuts.BigSteelThrill said:
Keep in mind that P.Thomas continues to float out there in FA having turned down only a vet minimum offer. As the preseason grinds forward the likelyhood he returns to the offensive system he already knows increases and he has the trust of Payton/Brees already. Even if you think Spiller may be a complete bust(which seems way too early to tell) you have to admit Thomas could slide right back into his old role. Thomas played great last year and it's baffling to me a team won't give him more than the minimum but NO could be the big winner.
