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I know Mathews was a big flop last year based on his draft status but we have to remember, he was a rookie.

He did miss 4 games which if he played descently in Ryan could have easily had 1,000 yards and 10 td's.

Not bad for a rookie. The nice thing is Mathews has NO competition at rb. Mike Tolbert isn't that good.

He is a fb that can can 3 yards and a cloud of dust. Mathews is an ewlite talent, SOD this year in fantasy drafts.

Mathews 2011 (based on 16 games)

300 carries 1300 yards 11 td's

20 catches 180 yards 1 td

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Mike Tolbert isn't that good.He is a fb that can can 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

Tolbert had 10 TDs inside the 5 yard line, Mathews didn't have any.I mean I wouldn't base my drafting decision on that info alone but it seems kind of important.

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I know Mathews was a big flop last year based on his draft status but we have to remember, he was a rookie.

He did miss 4 games which if he played descently in Ryan could have easily had 1,000 yards and 10 td's.

Not bad for a rookie. The nice thing is Mathews has NO competition at rb. Mike Tolbert isn't that good.

He is a fb that can can 3 yards and a cloud of dust. Mathews is an ewlite talent, SOD this year in fantasy drafts.

Mathews 2011 (based on 16 games)

300 carries 1300 yards 11 td's

20 catches 180 yards 1 td

This seems to be the opinion of Mathews owners and Mathews owners only. I agree that Mathews is obviously the better prospect given his age and raw talent, but to say that tolbert is anything less than a gauranteed bruised is stupid. Tolbert is consistent Mathews will never be the guy they call on in SD to get the short yardage as long as hes still there, if they dont resign Sproles then Mathews role becomes a little better but so does Tolberts.

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Mike Tolbert= Le'Ron McClain

This sounds like the arguement for all the Rice vs McClain owners. In the end talent speaks for itself.

Just like McClain faded, so will Tolbert. He is a good running fullback but not a good running back.

Mathews is BY FAR the guy to have in the backfield

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I know Mathews was a big flop last year based on his draft status but we have to remember, he was a rookie.

He did miss 4 games which if he played descently in Ryan could have easily had 1,000 yards and 10 td's.

Not bad for a rookie. The nice thing is Mathews has NO competition at rb. Mike Tolbert isn't that good.

He is a fb that can can 3 yards and a cloud of dust. Mathews is an ewlite talent, SOD this year in fantasy drafts.

Mathews 2011 (based on 16 games)

300 carries 1300 yards 11 td's

20 catches 180 yards 1 td

This seems to be the opinion of Mathews owners and Mathews owners only. I agree that Mathews is obviously the better prospect given his age and raw talent, but to say that tolbert is anything less than a gauranteed bruised is stupid. Tolbert is consistent Mathews will never be the guy they call on in SD to get the short yardage as long as hes still there, if they dont resign Sproles then Mathews role becomes a little better but so does Tolberts.
You say one of my comments is stupid so I have to question one of yours

Tolbert is consistent huh, here are his points in fantasy per week

2

21

8

16

9

6

7

14

3

21

17

5

13

10

0

That's consistant?

and 3 of those games would have been 3 points or less without a td

I don't see how you can call that consistant?

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I know Mathews was a big flop last year based on his draft status but we have to remember, he was a rookie.

He did miss 4 games which if he played descently in Ryan could have easily had 1,000 yards and 10 td's.

Not bad for a rookie. The nice thing is Mathews has NO competition at rb. Mike Tolbert isn't that good.

He is a fb that can can 3 yards and a cloud of dust. Mathews is an ewlite talent, SOD this year in fantasy drafts.

Mathews 2011 (based on 16 games)

300 carries 1300 yards 11 td's

20 catches 180 yards 1 td

This seems to be the opinion of Mathews owners and Mathews owners only. I agree that Mathews is obviously the better prospect given his age and raw talent, but to say that tolbert is anything less than a gauranteed bruised is stupid. Tolbert is consistent Mathews will never be the guy they call on in SD to get the short yardage as long as hes still there, if they dont resign Sproles then Mathews role becomes a little better but so does Tolberts.
You say one of my comments is stupid so I have to question one of yours

Tolbert is consistent huh, here are his points in fantasy per week

2

21

8

16

9

6

7

14

3

21

17

5

13

10

0

That's consistant?

and 3 of those games would have been 3 points or less without a td

I don't see how you can call that consistant?

pretty sure he means play to play, as you can expect him to get a few yards but not a big gain. Not game to game for FF. Not sure if it's true or not, but from what I saw it seems to be.

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I know Mathews was a big flop last year based on his draft status but we have to remember, he was a rookie.

He did miss 4 games which if he played descently in Ryan could have easily had 1,000 yards and 10 td's.

Not bad for a rookie. The nice thing is Mathews has NO competition at rb. Mike Tolbert isn't that good.

He is a fb that can can 3 yards and a cloud of dust. Mathews is an ewlite talent, SOD this year in fantasy drafts.

Mathews 2011 (based on 16 games)

300 carries 1300 yards 11 td's

20 catches 180 yards 1 td

This seems to be the opinion of Mathews owners and Mathews owners only. I agree that Mathews is obviously the better prospect given his age and raw talent, but to say that tolbert is anything less than a gauranteed bruised is stupid. Tolbert is consistent Mathews will never be the guy they call on in SD to get the short yardage as long as hes still there, if they dont resign Sproles then Mathews role becomes a little better but so does Tolberts.
You say one of my comments is stupid so I have to question one of yours

Tolbert is consistent huh, here are his points in fantasy per week

2

21

8

16

9

6

7

14

3

21

17

5

13

10

0

That's consistant?

and 3 of those games would have been 3 points or less without a td

I don't see how you can call that consistant?

pretty sure he means play to play, as you can expect him to get a few yards but not a big gain. Not game to game for FF. Not sure if it's true or not, but from what I saw it seems to be.
This.

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Mike Tolbert isn't that good.

He is a fb that can can 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

:no:

2010:

# of 20+ yd runs

MJD: 8

S. Jackson: 7

L. McCoy: 7

Frank Gore: 6

M. Tolbert: 6

Ray Rice: 4

To add to that, he had 9 games where he had double digit carries. In all but 1 of those games, he had a run of 10+ yds.

Sorry, but for you to say he's a "3 yds and a cloud of dust" runner means you really never saw him play much or paid attention to what he did.

I love FBs that can streak 70 yds up the sideline

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Not sure why Tolbert is being lumped into the Mathews spotlight? Are we going to have a Charles/Jones spotlight as well? Tolbert had the season he did because Mathews went down to injury. During that time Tolbert definitely showcased his talent and probably carved out a slightly bigger role going forward but completely healthy this is Mathews gig.

Mathews 250/1125/12 35/280/1

Tolbert 110/418/6 15/105/0

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I know Mathews was a big flop last year based on his draft status but we have to remember, he was a rookie.

He did miss 4 games which if he played descently in Ryan could have easily had 1,000 yards and 10 td's.

Not bad for a rookie. The nice thing is Mathews has NO competition at rb. Mike Tolbert isn't that good.

He is a fb that can can 3 yards and a cloud of dust. Mathews is an ewlite talent, SOD this year in fantasy drafts.

Mathews 2011 (based on 16 games)

300 carries 1300 yards 11 td's

20 catches 180 yards 1 td

This seems to be the opinion of Mathews owners and Mathews owners only. I agree that Mathews is obviously the better prospect given his age and raw talent, but to say that tolbert is anything less than a gauranteed bruised is stupid. Tolbert is consistent Mathews will never be the guy they call on in SD to get the short yardage as long as hes still there, if they dont resign Sproles then Mathews role becomes a little better but so does Tolberts.
You say one of my comments is stupid so I have to question one of yours

Tolbert is consistent huh, here are his points in fantasy per week

2

21

8

16

9

6

7

14

3

21

17

5

13

10

0

That's consistant?

and 3 of those games would have been 3 points or less without a td

I don't see how you can call that consistant?

pretty sure he means play to play, as you can expect him to get a few yards but not a big gain. Not game to game for FF. Not sure if it's true or not, but from what I saw it seems to be.
This.

Well than based on this info

2010:

# of 20+ yd runs

MJD: 8

S. Jackson: 7

L. McCoy: 7

Frank Gore: 6

M. Tolbert: 6

Ray Rice: 4

you are incorrect again

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Well than based on this info

2010:

# of 20+ yd runs

MJD: 8

S. Jackson: 7

L. McCoy: 7

Frank Gore: 6

M. Tolbert: 6

Ray Rice: 4

you are incorrect again

Do you not read?

Tolbert is consistent Mathews will never be the guy they call on in SD to get the short yardage as long as hes still there, if they dont resign Sproles then Mathews role becomes a little better but so does Tolberts.

>Mathews will never be the guy they call on in SD to get the short yardage as long as hes still there

>Mathews will never be the guy they call on to get short yardage

>Mathews will never get short yardage

pretty sure he means play to play, as you can expect him to get a few yards but not a big gain. Not game to game for FF. Not sure if it's true or not, but from what I saw it seems to be.

>as you can expect him to get a few yards but not a big gain

>get a few yards but not a big gain

>a few yards but not a big gain

>not a big gain

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The Chargers love Tolbert and he is not going anywhere. When both Tolbert and Mathews were healthy in week 14 and 15, Tolbert was the primary back until the game was sewn up. I see people drafting as if Mathews will get 300+ touches and Tolbert will be a backup. Ain't gonna happen. Tolbert is going to get at least 30-40% of the work including short yardage/goal line and that's in a worst case scenario. I see something more like a true RBBC with a 10th round or later pick on Tolbert being the shark play this year.

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The Chargers love Tolbert and he is not going anywhere. When both Tolbert and Mathews were healthy in week 14 and 15, Tolbert was the primary back until the game was sewn up. I see people drafting as if Mathews will get 300+ touches and Tolbert will be a backup. Ain't gonna happen. Tolbert is going to get at least 30-40% of the work including short yardage/goal line and that's in a worst case scenario. I see something more like a true RBBC with a 10th round or later pick on Tolbert being the shark play this year.

After the high ankle sprain Mathews was never really healthy last year, rb's can play through it but it's a stretch to say they are healthy.Also he was a rookie coming back at a time when SD had a serviceable rb who the offense was in tune with. The coach even said Mathews couldn't be trusted as he didn't know the pass protections well.I wouldn't judge much off of what happened last year when Mathews was a raw rookie with a high ankle sprain.

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The Tolbert situation is eerily similar to the McClain one of a few years ago. FB pressed into action due to injuries who performed well garnering hype for the next season only to go back to their old role once the teams rb stable got healthy.

Tolbert 2010

182 carries/735 yards/11 td's/4 YPC

25 rec/216 yards

McClain 2008

232 carries/902 yards/10 td's/3.9 YPC

19 rec/123 yards/1 td

McClain has gotten 37 carries a season since then.

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The Tolbert situation is eerily similar to the McClain one of a few years ago. FB pressed into action due to injuries who performed well garnering hype for the next season only to go back to their old role once the teams rb stable got healthy.Tolbert 2010182 carries/735 yards/11 td's/4 YPC25 rec/216 yardsMcClain 2008232 carries/902 yards/10 td's/3.9 YPC19 rec/123 yards/1 tdMcClain has gotten 37 carries a season since then.

Some key distinctions:1) Tolbert was actually a tailback in college2) SD has been known to use a multipurpose FB type in their offense a lot more than Baltimore3) SD tendered Tolbert at the 2nd round level, which shows that they value him more than as a starting fullback

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The Tolbert situation is eerily similar to the McClain one of a few years ago. FB pressed into action due to injuries who performed well garnering hype for the next season only to go back to their old role once the teams rb stable got healthy.Tolbert 2010182 carries/735 yards/11 td's/4 YPC25 rec/216 yardsMcClain 2008232 carries/902 yards/10 td's/3.9 YPC19 rec/123 yards/1 tdMcClain has gotten 37 carries a season since then.

Some key distinctions:1) Tolbert was actually a tailback in college2) SD has been known to use a multipurpose FB type in their offense a lot more than Baltimore3) SD tendered Tolbert at the 2nd round level, which shows that they value him more than as a starting fullback
1)Tolbert averaged 65 carries a season in 4 years of college. He wasn't used as a starting rb2)before Tolbert what SD fullback was given a lot of carries?3)of course they don't want to lose him. They are bare behind Mathews and Tolbert is a solid short yardage guy, knows the offense, and can fill a larger role if circumstances dictate.

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SD postseason position report from Kevin Acee, their best beat writer

The Chargers have a one-two punch for at least another season (and probably longer) that could rival any in the league if both Ryan Mathews and Mike Tolbert stay healthy.

The pair averaged a combined 4.2 yards per carry in 2010. The plan going forward would be to rotate them based on who’s hot and which defense the Chargers are facing.

HC Norv Turner talks about having two backs

Even if Mathews becomes the player the Chargers expect, head coach Norv Turner has become a believer in having two backs.

“I think you do,” Turner said when asked about the need to have two backs. “I’ve never been that guy, but this game has become so physical. You see so many eight-man fronts, and you want to run the ball. A week ago when they both had 16 carries and (17 apiece on Thursday), it works out. It saves them for a season and for a career.”

You guys can wish for the SD situation to turn out like Baltimore, but you're the only ones saying it is going to go that way. Bill Williamson, who covers the AFC West for ESPN, also said the Chargers "love" Tolbert.

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Its a chance for them to make up for the mistake of selling Michael Turner for whatever they could get. Tolbert reminds me so much of Turner.

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I think Tolbert has been regonized by the SD staff for his big play ability.

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Mathews was a much heralded rookie replacement of the legendary LT2. As soon as he was drafted, many were annointing him with the fantasy hype that Mark Ingram is now getting for the Saints. Except that Ingram is likely going to live up to his hype, and with Mathews may never know. Mathews comes from a small school, with an upright running style and injury history that has extended into his pro career. He's had an uphill battle learning to keep himself on the field either with nagging injuries or suspect pass protection. He had a 4.3 ypc, but was inconsistent when he played. There are indicators of his talent level, and he could eventually find his game on a consistent level. He also needs to learn to protect Phillip Rivers on pass plays or he will ride the pine.

Tolbert did everything well enough in the potent SD offense. He plays behind an elite QB and that opens holes consistently. Tolbert is an overachiever, and makes the most of the space he sees. He may be a fantasy bargain in the later rounds, as there will be many Mathews owners expecting a breakout year who will have to overpay for the handcuff.

Not saying a Mathews rebound won't happen, but I feel much more comfortable taking a Tolbert in the 9th/10th round than taking Mathews in the 3rd/4th. If the hype machine starts up again for Mathews, he'll start going in the 2nd round again.

Projection: Mathews: 210/850/7 with 30/200/1

Projection: Tolbert: 120/540/5 with 10/80/0

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Mike Tolbert= Le'Ron McClainThis sounds like the arguement for all the Rice vs McClain owners. In the end talent speaks for itself.Just like McClain faded, so will Tolbert. He is a good running fullback but not a good running back.Mathews is BY FAR the guy to have in the backfield

While I don't totally disagree with you, I think it's premature to totally writeoff Tolbert. He certainly showed value to the SD offense. We can easily envision a scenario where Tolbert gets most of the short yardage/goalline carries so that Mathews stays fresh and healthy. Mathews is going to need to score 10+ TD to have an opportunity to be the SOD, and I can't see that happening unless Tolbert gets injured. Plus, SD offensive line isn't that great and there is no reason to believe that Rivers will throw less. The offense goes through Rivers.Mathews - 230 car, 1025 yds, 7TD, 30 rec, 250 yds, 1TDTolbert - 140 car, 530 yds, 8TD, 15 rec, 100 yds, 0TDI am with the crowd that passing on Mathews in the 3rd/4th round and taking Tolbert many rounds later is a better play.

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It is interesting that Ryan Mathews was injured most of the season with a high ankle sprain, but it was Tolbert who finished the season on the inactive list with a neck injury. During this week 17 game, Mathews ran for 120 yards and 3 TDs. Sproles was only given 4 carries during the game, so I think they wanted to see what they had with their first round pick. Mathews ended the season as the starting RB for the Chargers and I believe his performance was enough to remain atop the depth chart to start the 2011 season. He will be a steal in redrafts in round 3 or 4.

Projection: Mathews: 270/1260/8 with 36/320/3

Projection: Tolbert: 130/540/4 with 10/80/1

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While McClain and Tolbert may not be carbon copies, the lessons learned should be similar. Last year is not this year. Talent will prevail.

Mathews, with his rookie learning curve and all his injuries, still averaged more carries per game than Tolbert (and ypc). That's not even taking into account all the partial games he missed due to injury. He was more explosive than Tolbert even with the debilitating high ankle sprain. Yet Mathews haters still like to say Tolbert is the smart play here. We've all heard the coach speak about splitting carries evenly but when one back is clearly better than the other, the split is never even. If Mathews improves at all, due to learning curve or health, this won't be a close race. However, I won't be surprised to see Tolbert in on the goal line. Given that Sproles was in on almost all 3rd downs, Mathews' 22 catches are pretty impressive. If Sproles is indeed out of the picture, receptions will be a huge part of Mathews' upside. That being said, Tolbert is a serviceable back and will be rotated in. There will likely be over 400 RB carries to spread around.

Mathews: 250 carries x 4.5 ypc = 1125 yds 9 TD, 45 rec x 7.0 ypr = 315 yds 2 TD

Tolbert: 120 carries x 4.0 ypc = 480 yds 7 TD, 15 rec x 7.0 ypr = 105 yds 0 TD

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I think that Mike Tolbert is a lot more capable than most are giving him credit for in this thread. Tolbert played in three more games than Mathews a year ago and averaged only one carry less per game. Tolbert gained 4.0 ypc while Mathews averaged 4.3, but Tolbert had four more rushing TDs (11 to 7). Tolbert only missed two opportunities for receptions, catching 25 on 27 targets and averaging 8.6 ypr against Mathews' 6.6.

I see a passing team that will feature Rivers and his receivers at the expense of a dominating running game and a couple of guys that complement each other well in Tolbert and Mathews.

I will provide a contrarian opinion on the split of opportunities in 2011. Looks a lot like RBBC right down the line.

Mathews 16 gms 214 rushes 860 yds 4.3 ypc 38 targets 32 recs 224 yds 7.0 ypc & 8 total TDs

Tolbert 16 gms 190 rushes 779 yds 4.1 ypc 30 targets 26 recs 208 yds 8.0 ypc & 12 total TDs

Definitely take Tolbert about ten rounds or so later and have yourself a chance at a TD per game with much more if injury strikes Mathews.

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Just an observation here. The projections I see so far are likely underestimating the receptions to be split between Mathews and Tolbert by a significant amount. Here are the receptions for the past 4 years (since Turner arrived) by Chargers RBs:

2007: 83

2008: 105

2009: 97

2010: 127

I think Sproles is likely gone, and he had 59 catches last year, while Mathews and Tolbert combined for 47. Most people seem to be predicting 40-60 combined catches for Mathews and Tolbert. Is that because they think RB catches will drop off significantly? Or because they think Todman and/or Hester is going to catch the rest?

IMO Mathews and Tolbert will likely combine for 70+ catches this year, assuming both stay healthy.

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It is interesting that Ryan Mathews was injured most of the season with a high ankle sprain, but it was Tolbert who finished the season on the inactive list with a neck injury. During this week 17 game, Mathews ran for 120 yards and 3 TDs. Sproles was only given 4 carries during the game, so I think they wanted to see what they had with their first round pick. Mathews ended the season as the starting RB for the Chargers and I believe his performance was enough to remain atop the depth chart to start the 2011 season. He will be a steal in redrafts in round 3 or 4.

Projection: Mathews: 270/1260/8 with 36/320/3

Projection: Tolbert: 130/540/4 with 10/80/1

I dont think its interesting at all, I also dont think having a good game against one of the worst teams the last week of the season matters either. Nor does Sproles performance, with Mathews injured and 3 of their 5 WR injured Sproles started as a WR for like 3 weeks. I think the Chargers are gonna be right behind the chiefs in having an almost perfect 50/50 split in workload.

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Just an observation here. The projections I see so far are likely underestimating the receptions to be split between Mathews and Tolbert by a significant amount. Here are the receptions for the past 4 years (since Turner arrived) by Chargers RBs:2007: 832008: 1052009: 972010: 127I think Sproles is likely gone, and he had 59 catches last year, while Mathews and Tolbert combined for 47. Most people seem to be predicting 40-60 combined catches for Mathews and Tolbert. Is that because they think RB catches will drop off significantly? Or because they think Todman and/or Hester is going to catch the rest?IMO Mathews and Tolbert will likely combine for 70+ catches this year, assuming both stay healthy.

While I agree that someone will likely see a jump in receptions, I went conservative with Mathews and decreased Tolbert's to correspond with him being on the field less. I feel that Sproles' high catch number was more due to SD game planning to get him the ball through the air than their propensity to throw the ball to the RB position. Someone new will be in on 3rd down and will reap some reception rewards from it. We just don't know who yet. When that is determined, it will be time to update projections.

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I get the feeling that some of you guys never saw Mike Tolbert play.

He's not going to go ride the pine this year.

I can see Mathews getting 60-40 carries, perhaps. The only way Tolbert really loses carries is if Mathews comes out and runs with an ability that he didn't show in 2010. I suppose that's possible.

But to compare Tolbert to Leron McClain is not valid, based on what I saw last year.

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I get the feeling that some of you guys never saw Mike Tolbert play.He's not going to go ride the pine this year.I can see Mathews getting 60-40 carries, perhaps. The only way Tolbert really loses carries is if Mathews comes out and runs with an ability that he didn't show in 2010. I suppose that's possible.But to compare Tolbert to Leron McClain is not valid, based on what I saw last year.

I can't tell if the bigger mistake isn't comparing mathews to ray rice. rice was a serious college player for several seasons. mathews really came out of nowhere with one big season. tolbert may end being mclain, but i am not anywhere near sold on mathews = rice.

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It is interesting that Ryan Mathews was injured most of the season with a high ankle sprain, but it was Tolbert who finished the season on the inactive list with a neck injury. During this week 17 game, Mathews ran for 120 yards and 3 TDs. Sproles was only given 4 carries during the game, so I think they wanted to see what they had with their first round pick. Mathews ended the season as the starting RB for the Chargers and I believe his performance was enough to remain atop the depth chart to start the 2011 season. He will be a steal in redrafts in round 3 or 4.

Projection: Mathews: 270/1260/8 with 36/320/3

Projection: Tolbert: 130/540/4 with 10/80/1

I dont think its interesting at all, I also dont think having a good game against one of the worst teams the last week of the season matters either. Nor does Sproles performance, with Mathews injured and 3 of their 5 WR injured Sproles started as a WR for like 3 weeks. I think the Chargers are gonna be right behind the chiefs in having an almost perfect 50/50 split in workload.
My first reaction: :fishing::thumbdown:

A few hours later I decided to check the facts. In week 17 V. Jackson, Floyd, Ajirotutu and Naanee all registered stats.

Naanee - 4 for 79

V Jax - 3 for 53

Ajirotutu - 1 for 17

Floyd - 2 for 57

Their top 4 wide receivers were healthy in that game. Patrick Crayton was hurt. Antonio Gates (TE) was out. Sproles did not start at wide receiver all year. He does sometimes line up wide as a scatback.

Also, the next time you write a :thumbdown: response you should check the punctuation. Or dont. Don't? Do not?

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SD postseason position report from Kevin Acee, their best beat writer

The Chargers have a one-two punch for at least another season (and probably longer) that could rival any in the league if both Ryan Mathews and Mike Tolbert stay healthy.

The pair averaged a combined 4.2 yards per carry in 2010. The plan going forward would be to rotate them based on who’s hot and which defense the Chargers are facing.

HC Norv Turner talks about having two backs

Even if Mathews becomes the player the Chargers expect, head coach Norv Turner has become a believer in having two backs.

“I think you do,” Turner said when asked about the need to have two backs. “I’ve never been that guy, but this game has become so physical. You see so many eight-man fronts, and you want to run the ball. A week ago when they both had 16 carries and (17 apiece on Thursday), it works out. It saves them for a season and for a career.”

You guys can wish for the SD situation to turn out like Baltimore, but you're the only ones saying it is going to go that way. Bill Williamson, who covers the AFC West for ESPN, also said the Chargers "love" Tolbert.

I don't ascribe much, if any, value in what Williamson and Acee say. Beat writers have a looooooooooooooooong history of confusing opinion with fact.

That said, I do think Tolbert is more of an offensive option than many are giving him credit for. To me, that translates into avoiding Mathews at his expected ADP and grabbing Tolbert in the mid rounds as a backup fantasy option with significant upside. :thumbup:

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It is interesting that Ryan Mathews was injured most of the season with a high ankle sprain, but it was Tolbert who finished the season on the inactive list with a neck injury. During this week 17 game, Mathews ran for 120 yards and 3 TDs. Sproles was only given 4 carries during the game, so I think they wanted to see what they had with their first round pick. Mathews ended the season as the starting RB for the Chargers and I believe his performance was enough to remain atop the depth chart to start the 2011 season. He will be a steal in redrafts in round 3 or 4.

Projection: Mathews: 270/1260/8 with 36/320/3

Projection: Tolbert: 130/540/4 with 10/80/1

I dont think its interesting at all, I also dont think having a good game against one of the worst teams the last week of the season matters either. Nor does Sproles performance, with Mathews injured and 3 of their 5 WR injured Sproles started as a WR for like 3 weeks. I think the Chargers are gonna be right behind the chiefs in having an almost perfect 50/50 split in workload.
My first reaction: :fishing::thumbdown:

A few hours later I decided to check the facts. In week 17 V. Jackson, Floyd, Ajirotutu and Naanee all registered stats.

Naanee - 4 for 79

V Jax - 3 for 53

Ajirotutu - 1 for 17

Floyd - 2 for 57

Their top 4 wide receivers were healthy in that game. Patrick Crayton was hurt. Antonio Gates (TE) was out. Sproles did not start at wide receiver all year. He does sometimes line up wide as a scatback.

Also, the next time you write a :thumbdown: response you should check the punctuation. Or dont. Don't? Do not?

The part about sproles was in regards to the comment that he had a poor performance. My point was for the last 1/4 of the season Sproles was a WR. He still lined up in the backfield on some third downs and a few other plays but as soon as Mathews was reasonably healthy they cut Sproles touches to deal with Floyd Nanee Jackson and Gates not being able to play.

Also, why would I ever check my punctuation when I have people like you to do it for me :thumbup:

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So before I go post a new topic, anyone want to chime in on what Tolbert would be worth, draft-pick-wise, in a rookie draft to someone who owns Matthews? I'm trying to figure out his value.

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So before I go post a new topic, anyone want to chime in on what Tolbert would be worth, draft-pick-wise, in a rookie draft to someone who owns Matthews? I'm trying to figure out his value.

Good call not posting a new topic. You'd likely get roasted.Tolbert's rookie draft pick value to a Mathews owner is bordering on gold. Couldn't get him with a decent 2nd round pick AND players. You'll probably need to send a first.

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So before I go post a new topic, anyone want to chime in on what Tolbert would be worth, draft-pick-wise, in a rookie draft to someone who owns Matthews? I'm trying to figure out his value.

Good call not posting a new topic. You'd likely get roasted.Tolbert's rookie draft pick value to a Mathews owner is bordering on gold. Couldn't get him with a decent 2nd round pick AND players. You'll probably need to send a first.
Sigmund was saying the shark play would be waiting until the 10th rd or later to draft Tolbert instead of drafting Mathews early. I don't think there is any conceivable way Tolbert lasts that long in a redraft. I'm guessing he will go in the 6th/7th round.

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So before I go post a new topic, anyone want to chime in on what Tolbert would be worth, draft-pick-wise, in a rookie draft to someone who owns Matthews? I'm trying to figure out his value.

Good call not posting a new topic. You'd likely get roasted.Tolbert's rookie draft pick value to a Mathews owner is bordering on gold. Couldn't get him with a decent 2nd round pick AND players. You'll probably need to send a first.
Sigmund was saying the shark play would be waiting until the 10th rd or later to draft Tolbert instead of drafting Mathews early. I don't think there is any conceivable way Tolbert lasts that long in a redraft. I'm guessing he will go in the 6th/7th round.
not sure I agree with that, i can't even get a 2012 2nd for him in a dynasty league where I'm loaded at RB

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So before I go post a new topic, anyone want to chime in on what Tolbert would be worth, draft-pick-wise, in a rookie draft to someone who owns Matthews? I'm trying to figure out his value.

Good call not posting a new topic. You'd likely get roasted.Tolbert's rookie draft pick value to a Mathews owner is bordering on gold. Couldn't get him with a decent 2nd round pick AND players. You'll probably need to send a first.
Sigmund was saying the shark play would be waiting until the 10th rd or later to draft Tolbert instead of drafting Mathews early. I don't think there is any conceivable way Tolbert lasts that long in a redraft. I'm guessing he will go in the 6th/7th round.
He's routinely lasting until the 9th/10th in the 16 team survivor drafts over in Mock Drafts R Us

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