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kutta
Footballguy
Here's what I posted in the FA tracking thread:
I am a bit neutral on the Kolb deal, but I do think that Philly got the best of it. I also think that AZ didn't have much choice and had to do something here. I'm very worried about the D this year. I will grant that DRC did not have a great year last year, but the previous year he was a pro bowler, and he has a lot of potential to develop into something very good. He is also good enough to guard anyone on the opposing team. Our to three corners are now:
Greg Toler - fourth round pick a couple years ago from a small Div. II school. He's physical and has shown flashes. I like the way he plays. But I don't trust him to cover the #1 guy for the other team all year.
Michael Adams - a nice player on special teams, but really can't cover very well. He was completely exposed in the GB playoff game two years ago.
Patrick Peterson - a rookie. a rookie. a rookie. Sure, he looks great and could be special, but he's a rookie and will struggle this year.
Add in Adrian Wilson who can't cover anyone, and our secondary is in a world of hurt this year.
We definitely upgraded the offense with this deal, but we lose Breaston which offsets a little of that gain, and we weaken our secondary which offsets it some more.
Looks like a good year to have QB's and WR's playing the Cards.
I am a bit neutral on the Kolb deal, but I do think that Philly got the best of it. I also think that AZ didn't have much choice and had to do something here. I'm very worried about the D this year. I will grant that DRC did not have a great year last year, but the previous year he was a pro bowler, and he has a lot of potential to develop into something very good. He is also good enough to guard anyone on the opposing team. Our to three corners are now:
Greg Toler - fourth round pick a couple years ago from a small Div. II school. He's physical and has shown flashes. I like the way he plays. But I don't trust him to cover the #1 guy for the other team all year.
Michael Adams - a nice player on special teams, but really can't cover very well. He was completely exposed in the GB playoff game two years ago.
Patrick Peterson - a rookie. a rookie. a rookie. Sure, he looks great and could be special, but he's a rookie and will struggle this year.
Add in Adrian Wilson who can't cover anyone, and our secondary is in a world of hurt this year.
We definitely upgraded the offense with this deal, but we lose Breaston which offsets a little of that gain, and we weaken our secondary which offsets it some more.
Looks like a good year to have QB's and WR's playing the Cards.
Dude, we went to the Super Bowl with Roderick Hood and DRC (ROOKIE) as starting corners. Patrick Peterson and Toler are a much better combination than those two.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I think this is a good deal for both teams. ARI did give up a bunch, but if Kolb pans out (not a strech giving the WR in ARI) they got a steal. Face it, young QBs are tough to find on the open market. For PHI, DRC should benefit by playing on the other side of Samuel and have a bounce back year.
Win-win for both teams IMO.
Win-win for both teams IMO.
twistd
Footballguy
He wasn't awful in Chicago. He was actually decent in Chicago. He needs to have a solid running game and some decent WRs. He is certainly better than anyone in Seattle or Washington. He is never going to be a guy to take the team on his back and carry them, but he is a Trent Dilfer type of player.
Card Trader
Footballguy
Kutta is perpetually down on the Cards...so his Debbie Downer posts are pretty normal. It's definitely hard to shake the negative thoughts around this team. But take a look at the passing stats here: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/crd/2010.htmThat'll make you feel a little better about this trade
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azgroover
Footballguy
If Kolb can just keep that shabby D off the field as often as it seemed to be on it last year, he's worth the price.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Yup, I drafted him last year. Watched him get injured / #### the bed game 1. Continued to watch him be nothing but mediocre weeks 4-7. http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/KolbKe00-3.php#gl-2010Did you watch anything? To me he had the deer in headlights look all season. If he was the future and Reids guy they wouldn't be trading him.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
Wow, Arizona got raped here. While Kolb is obviously an upgrade for them (who wouldn't be?) they way overpaid.
To my knowledge no other team was seriously pursuing Kolb, so it looks like Arizona bid against itself.
DRC or the 2nd round pick alone should of been enough to get a deal done. If Arizona held their ground with philly, offering them their choice of a 2nd rounder or DRC what was philly going to do? Not accept it, hang onto Kolb this season with him being a backup, and then watch him leave in FA next year and get nothing in return?
I'd be highly suspect of any qb that's drafted and coached by Andy Reid, for 4 years, and is still notorious for bad decision making.
Philly made out better here than they did with the McNabb trade last year. Impressive.
To my knowledge no other team was seriously pursuing Kolb, so it looks like Arizona bid against itself.
DRC or the 2nd round pick alone should of been enough to get a deal done. If Arizona held their ground with philly, offering them their choice of a 2nd rounder or DRC what was philly going to do? Not accept it, hang onto Kolb this season with him being a backup, and then watch him leave in FA next year and get nothing in return?
I'd be highly suspect of any qb that's drafted and coached by Andy Reid, for 4 years, and is still notorious for bad decision making.
Philly made out better here than they did with the McNabb trade last year. Impressive.
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dhockster
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He was actually very good in weeks 5 and 6 last year against SF and ATL (4 TD's 1 int 579 yards passing). He struggled throwing the ball downfield against Washington but he was coming in off the bench after Vick got knocked out of the game. The Eagles actually almost won that game on the last play but Avant dropped a ball in the endzone that was in his hands. Actually if you take those 4 games and extrapolate his stats out over a full season, he would have 26 TD's, 16 Int's 4,044 yards passing. I think that is better than mediocre.
Bingo ^Avant dropped a pass in one game, and Celek in another that were in their hands, wide open. Both games become wins, and Kolb is carried out on their shoulders. fast forward to today and now AZ got a steal in the deal! Amazing when people look at mere stats instead of the games.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
G-King, I love your inside info on Kolb, but you a bit biased on the situation.
kutta
Footballguy
Dude, we also had Rolle, Dansby, Warner, Boldin, and Breaston.
mchaps55
Footballguy
Philly got the better deal but Arizona did not bid against itself. Philly did not have to trade Kolb, they already paid him majority of his contract and they didn't have to trade him if they did not get the right deal. Odds are Vick does not play all 16 games and will get beat up at times this year. Eagles know that and will make sure they get a viable QB that will have to step in for a few games.
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Rolle
As a side note, I'm hearing now that with the trade the Cards and Eagles actually swapped 2nd round picks...anyone else hear this?
As a side note, I'm hearing now that with the trade the Cards and Eagles actually swapped 2nd round picks...anyone else hear this?
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
You really think Philly would have kept Kolb and let him walk after this season rather than acquire the Cards 2nd round pick or DRC? Because I don't.Arizona completely caved here.
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kutta
Footballguy
Wait, what?You bet I was down on them last year. You can't lose Warner, Boldin, Rolle, and Dansby, do NOTHING to replace a retiring hall of fame QB, and expect to be the same team that won the division the past two years. So if that is to what you are referring, I think I was proven right last year being a "debbie downer."This year I see us doing nothing at all to upgrade our D. Our only "upgrades" are rookies, and we all know that they may or may not work out. We have a defensive coordinator in his first year. And we just traded away the guy that can cover anyone (yes, he had a rough year last year, but we know he has the potential) and we have not replaced him. How is this D going to be better?I think Kolb is an upgrade. I hope he is. But he does have only 11 TD's in his career against 14 ints. And his passer rating last year was a dismal 76.1. But as I said earlier, I think it is something we needed to do, I'm just tempering my enthusiasm because he is such an unknown quantity.
kutta
Footballguy
I have not heard this.I agree that Rolle is "lmao: in coverage. But you have to admit he fit in well with the team, found himself around the ball quite a bit, and had some amazing picks for ints that helped us win some games.Rolle
Captain Hook
Footballguy
If the Ravens don't have a deal to sign Todd Heap back, he might end up signing with the Cardinals and that would be good for Heap, Kolb, and the Cards. Heap went to school here and is still around in the off seasons.....
kutta
Footballguy
Since the Cards just signed Jeff King, I doubt they will sign another veteran TE this year.
haha, no doubt I'm biased. But you as an Eagles fan can't deny what I wrote? You watched those two games, and my point is that if you add the 20-30 yards, 1 more TD, and the win to each of those games, then the guys spouting off his stats who did not even watch what happened then think he is the next Warner. Just saying that the stats do not always reflect what happened.Agree?
kutta
Footballguy
G, you have seen enough football to know that you can pretty much say that about any player, except the very worst ones. The difference in talent in the NFL is so small, and it is the small things that make the difference.I'm sure he also threw a few passes that had no business being caught but the WR made the play. You could just as easily take those plays away and his stats would be worse.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
Heap missing three games due to injury last year had close to the best season King had four years ago.....I doubt if the Cards knew Heap was going to have been cut would not have been interested - at least in checking him out healthwise. And there are two TE sets in Whiz' playbook in addition to Heap mentoring Housler....lots of reason to at least look at the AZ native and ASU star....we will see
Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
They knew he was cut before they signed King.
Federal
Footballguy
NFL.com typo, scared the crap out of an Iggles buddy with it 
The Eagles later confirmed the deal and said they were sending a 2012 second-round pick to Arizona.
The Eagles later confirmed the deal and said they were sending a 2012 second-round pick to Arizona.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
I would too....as a Hawks fan I was PRAYING he wouldn't come to Seattle. This move will set the Cardinals back 3-4 years now.
Federal
Footballguy
Yeah, too bad they missed out on Tavaris Jackson...
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Terrible move and an unreal amount of wasted money. This guy has proved nothing to me.
Johnny Ice
Footballguy
Well at least he will bring Fitz's stock back up, as far as winning games not so much.
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
I think he is going to get hurt. He just looks frail to me.
Federal
Footballguy
The Malcolm Floyd to AZ chatter is starting to pick up
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
I like this guy a lot and would like to see the boring Bears make a play on him.The Malcolm Floyd to AZ chatter is starting to pick up
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I wouldn't be surprised. Very disappointed...hopefully this will get Graves canned.
kutta
Footballguy
The Malcolm Floyd to AZ chatter is starting to pick up
Terpman22
Footballguy
I think the Cards bid against the fact that both Fitz and Kolb would become FA's next year. Eagles, I think would franchise him and shop him around, because, we do know there is a high probability of Vick missing a game or two. Show off his goods some more, get franchised in the off-season, and shopped around again. Situations change from year to year and we know that who is a starter today could easily become a goner tomorrow. I think they overpaid just to avoid a headache of a possible off-season after 2011 where they undoubtedly would be way way worse off without Kolb this year and no guarantees of getting Kolb, Fitz or Luck next year. They get 2 of the 3 obviously this year. Win win for both sides, although as an Eagles fan that is dreaming of a Superbowl run, I like this deal for my side more...
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
As an Eagles fan I can't understand all this "we over paid" for him talk....
How about seeing how he does with one of the best WR's in the game first. In a division that weak he could very well be the missing piece to get Arizona back into the playoffs.
How about seeing how he does with one of the best WR's in the game first. In a division that weak he could very well be the missing piece to get Arizona back into the playoffs.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
Correct me if I'm wrong, but arent you the big Leinart guy?And you think Kolb is not worthy of a chance?
Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
:yuck:Give me Stephen Williams over overpaying a 30 year old WR. I see no problem with the current Cards WR core. If Doucet can't return, then look for a #3/#4 guy. Williams didn't show much in the regular season, but the guy flashed big time throughout camp last year and into the preseason.Roberts looked nice at the end of the season. I'm just as interested in seeing Williams this year, I really believe he's a guy that can be a solid #2 WR. The guy doesn't lack the physical talent. Hopefully he's more mentally prepared this year.The Malcolm Floyd to AZ chatter is starting to pick up
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kutta
Footballguy
Kent Sommers just tweeted that the Malcolm Floyd talk is dying down in AZ.:yuck:Give me Stephen Williams over overpaying a 30 year old WR. I see no problem with the current Cards WR core. If Doucet can't return, then look for a #3/#4 guy. Williams didn't show much in the regular season, but the guy flashed big time throughout camp last year and into the preseason.Roberts looked nice at the end of the season. I'm just as interested in seeing Williams this year, I really believe he's a guy that can be a solid #2 WR. The guy doesn't lack the physical talent. Hopefully he's more mentally prepared this year.The Malcolm Floyd to AZ chatter is starting to pick up
Robert's gonna open some eyes this year. He's gonna make AZ fans forget about Breaston and Doucet. Guy who has him in our dynasty wont budge. I've tried. Doggone it.:yuck:Give me Stephen Williams over overpaying a 30 year old WR. I see no problem with the current Cards WR core. If Doucet can't return, then look for a #3/#4 guy. Williams didn't show much in the regular season, but the guy flashed big time throughout camp last year and into the preseason.Roberts looked nice at the end of the season. I'm just as interested in seeing Williams this year, I really believe he's a guy that can be a solid #2 WR. The guy doesn't lack the physical talent. Hopefully he's more mentally prepared this year.The Malcolm Floyd to AZ chatter is starting to pick up
Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
Hooray. WR should be the least of the team's priorities IMHO. Just makes absolutely no sense to overpay a soon to be 30 year old WR -- when the #1,#2,#3....th priorities is paying WR Larry Fitzgerald. Team could use a #3/#4 WR.I like the potential of both Roberts and Williams. (Developed a man love for the latter last camp/preseason) Roberts flashed at the end of the season -- great sign for him. Quite frankly, he looked awful in camp last year to the point I wondered if he'd make the team. Thankfully he did and really stepped up at the end of last year.Kent Sommers just tweeted that the Malcolm Floyd talk is dying down in AZ.:yuck:Give me Stephen Williams over overpaying a 30 year old WR. I see no problem with the current Cards WR core. If Doucet can't return, then look for a #3/#4 guy. Williams didn't show much in the regular season, but the guy flashed big time throughout camp last year and into the preseason.Roberts looked nice at the end of the season. I'm just as interested in seeing Williams this year, I really believe he's a guy that can be a solid #2 WR. The guy doesn't lack the physical talent. Hopefully he's more mentally prepared this year.The Malcolm Floyd to AZ chatter is starting to pick up
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Kolb and the Cards are certainly fighting history...
Check out the stats here 2nd round QBs. Still I like his chances at least as much as most of the 2010 1st round QBs that they could have had instead...
Check out the stats here 2nd round QBs. Still I like his chances at least as much as most of the 2010 1st round QBs that they could have had instead...
bigern1000
Footballguy
Yep, and the Floyd to SF talk is heating up now...'kutta said:Kent Sommers just tweeted that the Malcolm Floyd talk is dying down in AZ.'Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said::yuck:Give me Stephen Williams over overpaying a 30 year old WR. I see no problem with the current Cards WR core. If Doucet can't return, then look for a #3/#4 guy. Williams didn't show much in the regular season, but the guy flashed big time throughout camp last year and into the preseason.Roberts looked nice at the end of the season. I'm just as interested in seeing Williams this year, I really believe he's a guy that can be a solid #2 WR. The guy doesn't lack the physical talent. Hopefully he's more mentally prepared this year.'Federal said:The Malcolm Floyd to AZ chatter is starting to pick up'kutta said:
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