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Adrian Beltre (1 Viewer)
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Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
He also is an exceptional fielder. I think he has a shot if he can stay healthy.
the moops
Footballguy
You seem to be ignoring something here.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Unlikely.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
How many 3K hitters are not in?
Four.Pete Rose, Derek Jeter, Craig Biggio, Rafael Palmeiro
Eephus
Footballguy
Beltre's current .275 lifetime average would be the lowest among members of the 3,000 hit club. It's likely to regress a bit towards the end of his career.His MVP shares and All Star record is less impressive than even Thome's. Beltre's one pantheon year also fell during the height of the steroid era.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
I think he needs another 5 elite years for there to be a serious discussion. Baseball reference lists his top comparables through his age as Ron Santo, Cal Ripken, and Scott Rolen. Santo got some HOF support, and may get in eventually through the veterans route, but he played in a more pitcher-friendly era and has a lot more off-the-field factors in his favor than Beltre. Ripken had another decade of top productivity. I don't think Rolen gets anywhere close to HOF.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Rose is banned, Jeter will be in. Palmeiro has the numbers but the cheating will hurt him. Biggio always reminded me of just a real solid player.. not HOF type. Can`t argue with the 3k though.
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Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
This is insane. He's a lock.
Hov34
Eephus's Great Great Great Love Child
Should be, but dumb voters do like the RBI
Lou Whitaker but in the steroid era.
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Sure man.
Tau837
Footballguy
Eephus
Footballguy
Beltre is having a better year than Biggio or Whitaker
dennis.moore
Footballguy
Not at the moment.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Won't happen.
There has never been an Adrian elected to the Hall of Fame.
There has however been elected a Dazzy, an Eppa, and a Pud.
There has never been an Adrian elected to the Hall of Fame.
There has however been elected a Dazzy, an Eppa, and a Pud.
dennis.moore
Footballguy
dennis.moore
Footballguy
Not their given names...
Eephus
Footballguy
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
But it is the name they went in with.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
Adrian Dantley was recently elected to the basketball hall of fame. Maybe baseball writers will follow their lead in breaking through the Adrian barrier.
oso diablo
Footballguy
Eephus
Footballguy
Scott Rolen is going to become eligible for the Hall several years before Beltre with career numbers that aren't as impressive. If Rolen stays on the ballot for a few years, I think that'll be a positive sign for Beltre.
The voters have made some weird collective decisions around 3B in the past. Darrell Evans was one and done with 1.7%. Graig Nettles stuck around for four years but never did better than 8.3%.
The voters have made some weird collective decisions around 3B in the past. Darrell Evans was one and done with 1.7%. Graig Nettles stuck around for four years but never did better than 8.3%.
whoknew
Footballguy
Bump up as we are about to start the season. Assuming he stays healthy - HOF lock.
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
As of this moment, he's got some work to do.
Buckfast 1
Footballguy
Fangraphs posted an interesting article about Adrian Beltre's path to the Hall of Fane recently:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/adrian-beltre-on-the-hall-of-fame-path/
Their verdict was that Beltre still had work to do, but that it seemed very feasible if he is able to maintain strong production for the next few years.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/adrian-beltre-on-the-hall-of-fame-path/
Their verdict was that Beltre still had work to do, but that it seemed very feasible if he is able to maintain strong production for the next few years.
Eephus
Footballguy
If you pro-rate his partial 2013 stats over 155 games and run the updated numbers against Bill James' Favorite Toy, it gives him a 97% chance at reaching 450 and a 67% chance of reaching 500. That would move him into lock territory unless some PED allegations arise. He still needs to finish strong though. Any major injury now hurts his chances even if he returns at full strength.
whoknew
Footballguy
Been a while since I updated this, but he just signed a 2 year extension and 2782 hits and 415 HRs (as well as, of course, all of his other numbers and accomplishments). Pretty solid he will get to 300 hits and ... 450 HRs?
Pretty amazing late career for the guy. I reckon if we did this poll again, the results would be a lot different.
Pretty amazing late career for the guy. I reckon if we did this poll again, the results would be a lot different.
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Northern Voice
Footballguy
Put him in for his reaction to Andrus last night alone.
Eephus
Footballguy
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
That seems high. If he hits 12 more homers this year (for a total of 21, which is greater than either of the last 2 years), he will still need 3 more seasons of 22 HR to get to 500. How is that % calculated?
the moops
Footballguy
Wrigley
Footballguy
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
the moops
Footballguy
whoknew
Footballguy
He's a 100% lock.
1) Longevity is important.
2) You can't just show up every day for 20 years and get 3000 hits. You actually, you know, have to get a lot of hits. For a lot of years.
Wrigley
Footballguy
Agreed, my original post about him not getting in was from 2011
He's a 100% lock.
1) Longevity is important.
2) You can't just show up every day for 20 years and get 3000 hits. You actually, you know, have to get a lot of hits. For a lot of years.
