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Dorial Green-Beckham (2 Viewers)
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I agree with you. It isn't that he can't be good, but so many posts in here about how he has top tier talent and he just has to get his head on straight. I think there is a big assumption that he really does have top tier NFL talent.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Can't be good for a kid that has character issues to be popping red flags already. I think he's now well below the Agholor/Perriman tier. In fact, I think I'd rather Dorsett too. I have him right in there with Funchess.
Well it's somewhat common in the NFL as long as a team has a vocal WR coach. Some rooks have this "hey I'm here" mindset like they're gracing the world with their presence and the WR coach loudly reminds them to "move it" and hustle and work hard. I wonder about that hamstring strain and if it's real or geesh these guys are working me hard.
McBride came in great shape and worked hard and there's zero mention that Jefferson got on him at all. Ya gotta figure DGB noticed.
Hunter did not become Britt II and there were Titans fans scared of that. He has never been the arrest type trouble. The worst Hunter has done is dog it on a play where he's a decoy or dog it in drills and he's heard it. I think the beginning of camp is DGB meet Jefferson time. Thursday he leaves for the rookie symposium stuff and maybe the young guy whines to other rookie wideouts and they tell him they had to work hard too and geesh the NFL is hard or whatever conversation takes place.
Stoops has some tough workouts people write about. He would have booted DGB if he dogged it. DGB can put forth the effort and has. I think it's becoming a millionaire and they just need to be corrected.
He didn't know the small group of plays (nor that it was small, which was kind of funny-yep NFL is huge playbook) and was offsides too much day one of rookie minicamp but there weren't articles of him performing poorly after that first day.
I hate primadonna WRs but I can handle a day or two oops I had better hustle now type experience. As long as DGB moves his tail today and doesn't hear it from Jefferson, I'll just think of it as part of a rook learning. Jefferson being arguably the loudest WR coach in the NFL is great for FF because we will know exactly how the coaches feel about DGB's work ethic.
DGBs other problem is Hunter has come into camp in awesome shape and he's the guy that DGB has to beat out. The focus of the media has even switched from Hunter to DGB. You wanna start? beat him out. He's also tall, also fast, also has incredible ups, also was a high draft pick- beat him out.
We'll see how he does today and the day after this rookie symposium. Hopefully this is just his realization that the NFL is loaded with talent and that he has to work for a living.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I smell bust here, hes going way too high in Rookie drafts
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Me too. Sometimes when it quacks like a duck, it's just a duck.
http://www.titansonline.com/video/videos/Dorial_GreenBeckham_on_Learning_from_Veterans/c0c68565-3d3d-47b0-9c35-268575054a38
DGB learning from veterans how to deal with stress when things get tough
Wha? When? Huh?
DGB learning from veterans how to deal with stress when things get tough
Wha? When? Huh?
I saw 3rd behind Hunter but no one has said who was 2nd in that spot. Could be anyone. Regardless....earn it rook! earn it!
idk, it's hard to judge with these big freakish types. Calvin is 235-240 so it seems about right to me.
Faust
MVP
Day 2 Training Camp Observations:
http://www.titansonline.com/news/article-4/Day-2-Training-Camp-Observations/67f7fd82-82b8-4e96-90eb-f7777f0b5ed4
Excerpt:
http://www.titansonline.com/news/article-4/Day-2-Training-Camp-Observations/67f7fd82-82b8-4e96-90eb-f7777f0b5ed4
Excerpt:
Faust
MVP
Dorial Green-Beckham Gets First Team Work Monday:
http://www.titansonline.com/news/article-4/Dorial-Green-Beckham-Gets-First-Team-Work-Monday/948729c1-ae27-4a20-bda1-f647ec7eaad7
http://www.titansonline.com/news/article-4/Dorial-Green-Beckham-Gets-First-Team-Work-Monday/948729c1-ae27-4a20-bda1-f647ec7eaad7
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
WR Dorial Green-Beckam
- 6'5 and 1/8
- 237 lbs
- 4.49 forty
He has, size, speed, strength, athleticism, catch radius, and now he's being fast-tracked into a starting role. From what his position coach is saying he is, taking in the playbook, sinking his hips, and getting out the top of his routes.
If he shows anything in preseason he could wind up the top producer of this rookie WR crop this year.
I'm sure he'll struggle having so much thrown at him so quickly but if he hangs in there by the end of the year then I like the upside. This is happening much sooner than expected and I love the quote from his college coach.
Texas receivers coach Jay Norval -- "(Dorial Green-Beckam is a) Nightmare matchup for any cornerback at any level."
- 6'5 and 1/8
- 237 lbs
- 4.49 forty
The reported weight gain was when he was dealing with a hamstring injury so I'm sure he wasn't running and he only put on 3 lbs over his college playing weight so it wasn't like he went Ompha Loompha or anything like that.
He has, size, speed, strength, athleticism, catch radius, and now he's being fast-tracked into a starting role. From what his position coach is saying he is, taking in the playbook, sinking his hips, and getting out the top of his routes.
If he shows anything in preseason he could wind up the top producer of this rookie WR crop this year.
I'm sure he'll struggle having so much thrown at him so quickly but if he hangs in there by the end of the year then I like the upside. This is happening much sooner than expected and I love the quote from his college coach.
Texas receivers coach Jay Norval -- "(Dorial Green-Beckam is a) Nightmare matchup for any cornerback at any level."
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Mortimer Ichabod
Footballguy
And quicker..And a much smoother route runner...He's just a far better athlete. Not all 6'5, 235lb people are created equal.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Also, he's not 280 pounds.
I think he's Plax with better wheels if he can keep his head on straight.
I think he's Plax with better wheels if he can keep his head on straight.
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Easy there. He was "rewarded" starting-unit reps over Justin Hunter and Hakeem Nicks.
Saying this kid is going to be all right isn't exactly a ringing endorsement
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Easy there?
You seem confused to I'll explain why I left off 'rewarded'.
I left off 'rewarded' because I think its a stretch to say he was 'rewarded' first team reps after WR Justin Hunter was jailed on an assault charge.
Even though Hunter is still practicing with the team as the legal process plays out it seems inevitable he will get suspended by the league and the Titans know this and that is why they are force feeding DGB into a starting role.
Instead of 'rewarded' I would use the term 'gifted' first team reps.
The article used 'rewarded', I didn't agree so I left it out.
You seemed upset that I left it off so I hope my explanation ok with you.
The wording just seemed a bit disingenuous. It's not like he leapfrogged an established and proven vet based on merit.
Hunter may not sit. There's prior examples of fights where the players were suspended in preseason and missed a game and practices. His lawyer was very confident he could prove Justin wasn't the aggressor(but I think he meant instigator) here. When you add up 10 days to report the crime, first reported as stabbing, and the oh so likely common fear NFL players have of being stuck in a similar situation of people "starting" with them for financial gain...it all gets pretty muddy. Webster on Midday said "probably not" when asked of him missing regular season games. We don't know all the details but his lawyer being super confident and the GM not seeming worried makes me hmmmm.
DGB was not rewarded a thing because of Hunter. Really has nothing to do with it whatsoever.
DGB ran wrong routes, ran routes slowly as he was unsure, and dropped balls. He dogged it out of the huddle and Jefferson would run behind him yelling at him to "move it." He stayed late often and used the veterans for advice and really is starting to put it together. I loved seeing him at the jeggs machine, turning hips 90 degrees every so many catches. He crept up every so often and was like 3 feet away at the end. That is a great response from a rook who dropped too many balls.
Part of why he got first team reps is Kenny Britt and then Justin Hunter's JAG on top of his own prior history. There's gotta be some urgency to get it right with a supposed gem rook WR and I don't think you can discard the two guys before him. He has been a good boy. Everything Stoops said has been true.
Wyatt called year one his JV year. He was only going deep against the ones and spending much of his time against the 3s. Looked about like Hunter's rookie year.
Not long after, is when he got the first team reps.
During this time, McBride and Turzilli have gotten first team reps. Hunter has played a bunch in the slot and both Wright and Nicks have sat a little more than usual. Many writers characterized it as seeing what the WRs can do in this or that role.
It's been said over and over that rookie WRs need to memorize the routes and get comfy with them quick; once they do, they can play full speed but before that they struggle. McBride and DGB are not there yet, but closer. Turzilli is and (in that same article) was complimented for his route running. Turzilli is probably better than the other two right now simply because he's running full speed. By the same token though, if they're comfy a week from now, they're both more talented than Turzilli and should be able to easily leap frog over him.
Nicks doing well is a surprise but that's fading some as if he's wearing down already. The Titans drafted extremely well here and the players attitudes are great. The competition is perfect. McBride, Douglas, and Wright all pushing each other and helping each other with similar attributes. Turzilli, DGB, and Hunter are also very similar and doing the same. DGB is still 5th or 6th on the assumed depth chart (not the phony junk they've put out). That's not much to sing about. It's early though and he's showing signs of moving up and improving. Ya can't forget he hasn't played in two years. He's got all of TC and it might take that long to move up. I'm half expecting him to stink week one and do well week two of preseason. Shouldn't he stink? First game in two years with competition eons better than the last time he played? I just think it all has to play out and the cream rise to the top. He is one of the true freaks in the NFL and once he "gets it" you gotta figure he's too much for opposing teams CBs (or the Titans CBs in practice) to cover.
Today though he's closer to Brian Quick in year two and Hunter in year one, than being the stud he can become.
floods
Footballguy
The NFL.com highlight video of the game shows his catch at 2:08. Didn't see anything else and wasn't able to watch the game.
He just played some. Totally a "feet wet" day for a rook and a guy who hadn't played in 2 years.
Whisenhunt does this annoying thing with veterans being first on the depth chart. This week, when he reasonably could he gave the veterans first reps.
They didn't give Mariota a tall WR but their sets in camp very often involve one.
Hunter's ahead of him on the veteran fake chart or a real one but there's this feel they want him to creep up the depth chart if he can, so I'm figuring the rest of preseason those two sub for each other.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
SMorton @smorton101368 3m3 minutes ago
@Jeff_LJ_Lloyd @Jmcobern1 DGB is going to be insanely good. Fav this for three years from now.
@Jeff_LJ_Lloyd @Jmcobern1 DGB is going to be insanely good. Fav this for three years from now.
Honest question: who is this guy that his opinion is worth posting?
Not a flame here, just asking.
mquinnjr
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Oh, so only guys from Pro Football Writers Association and beat reporter have valid takes, gotcha.
How bout this guy?
Does he got nuff street cred so share his tweets?
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TURRON DAVENPORT
@TDavenport_NFL
Member of Pro Football Writers Association/ Ravens Reporter for the Baltimore Times/ NFL Draft Analyst for @FBallGameplan/ Heb.11:1 BELIEVE IT!
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He is watching the shared practice as a beat writer for Baltimore and he says Agholor has already snatched Cooper's starting role away from him.
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TURRON DAVENPORT @TDavenport_NFL 26m26 minutes ago
TURRON DAVENPORT retweeted Michael Pomroff
Should have it now. https://twitter.com/PhillyBoyInTN/status/634406918564352002 …
TURRON DAVENPORT added,
Michael Pomroff @PhillyBoyInTN @TDavenport_NFL Agholor will have Cooper's spot by week 4.
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EDIT: Thought this was the Agholor thread since I just posted in that one. My mistake. Wrong thread was looking for a DGB tweet from a guy I thought was a Titan beat writer but he's not going to pass muster with the impeccably high standards of the Shark Pool.
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Banger
Footballguy
mquinnjr
Footballguy
I mean, at least be associated with a media outlet of some sort. Feels like Free Agency where people post links from random Twitter accounts.
ETA: And to be fair, I want that to be true. I just don't know if this is a beat writer or a guy with a cell phone at camp.
ETA: And to be fair, I want that to be true. I just don't know if this is a beat writer or a guy with a cell phone at camp.
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
OK, I understand the criticism but let me ask you who is a valid media person?
Then continue that line of reasoning that their are valid and in-valid media people and ask the next question, if a media person who you respect has a take that you disagree with do you change your stance or look to attack their credentials to dismiss the take about player X-Y-Z?
Attacking credentials instead of an argument is a fallacy of logic called an ad hominin attack where what is said is dismissed by attacking the person rather than addressing the take. It can lead to creating only a few gate keepers of disseminating information and keep people in group think.
So going back to the tweet. The take that began with that tweet continued with an exchange with others who noted DGB was considered a top-four talent early in the pre-draft evaluation process and that in a few years his talent should rise to the top. But they lack PFW credentials so is that take valid or not because of the people who presented it?
mquinnjr
Footballguy
werdnoynek
Footballguy
I think he's going to be insanely good too... 
Sabertooth
Footballguy
No better or worse shot at success than most second rounders.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
I still have a rookie draft and have to consider him over all of the WR yahoos who can't even get or stay healthy right now.
