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The Case Against Global-Warming Skepticism (1 Viewer)

You guys probably think that bio fuel made from corn is good for the global warming cause. Do you know how much water it takes to grow enough corn to make a gallon of bio fuel. Its draining aquifers and stripping aerable land we need for food. Another great science project?You guys will believe anything!

 
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Give it a few more years they will be back to the ice age meme
If you have some free time in the next 3 months, check out the autumn king tides in Florida (especially Oct 17), in places like Miami Beach, Ft. Lauderdale, Satellite Beach. Check out Norfolk & Charleston, SC. Days with so-called nuisance flooding have increased dramatically along the US east coast.  In Miami, it appears that the rise in sea-level is accelerating.    

 
If you have some free time in the next 3 months, check out the autumn king tides in Florida (especially Oct 17), in places like Miami Beach, Ft. Lauderdale, Satellite Beach. Check out Norfolk & Charleston, SC. Days with so-called nuisance flooding have increased dramatically along the US east coast.  In Miami, it appears that the rise in sea-level is accelerating.    
I live in Florida man. Click on the second link and watch the 15 minute video in my hoax thread. Its by a real scientist not a politician.

 
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I live in Florida man. Click on the second link and watch the 15 minute video in my hoax thread. Its by a real scientist not a politician.
May I present the scientist, Don Easterbrook:

Easterbrook gave a speech at the 2006 Geological Society of America annual meeting, where he made the following prediction which turned out to be completely wrong as 8 of the 10 hottest years on record have happened since his speech.

"If the cycles continue as in the past, the current warm cycle should end soon and global temperatures should cool slightly until about 2035, then warm about 0.5°C from ~2035 to ~2065, and cool slightly until 2100. The total increase in global warming for the century should be ~0.3 °C, rather than the catastrophic warming of 3-6°C (4-11°F) predicted by the IPCC."[1]

 
May I present the scientist, Don Easterbrook:

Easterbrook gave a speech at the 2006 Geological Society of America annual meeting, where he made the following prediction which turned out to be completely wrong as 8 of the 10 hottest years on record have happened since his speech.

"If the cycles continue as in the past, the current warm cycle should end soon and global temperatures should cool slightly until about 2035, then warm about 0.5°C from ~2035 to ~2065, and cool slightly until 2100. The total increase in global warming for the century should be ~0.3 °C, rather than the catastrophic warming of 3-6°C (4-11°F) predicted by the IPCC."[1]
Yup I couldnt prove my case. I accept defeat.

 
I didn't intend to hijack Koya's thread so moving discussion here would be good.  I admit I'm not as educated on this topic as I should be but I do think it's concerning that Ebell was appointed.  I'm always dubious when politicians (on either side) question scientists.

 
Worth a bump now that the US is going to not do anything about climate change for at least the next four years.
It doesn't matter.

Had we marshaled all of the innovation of this great country twenty years ago - it still wouldn't matter.  The consequences of far too many people using far too many of the earths resources for far too long are overdue and whether we face those consequences in a season, in a year, in a decade or in a century...they are what they are.  

 
It doesn't matter.

Had we marshaled all of the innovation of this great country twenty years ago - it still wouldn't matter.  The consequences of far too many people using far too many of the earths resources for far too long are overdue and whether we face those consequences in a season, in a year, in a decade or in a century...they are what they are.  
Maybe. But we should take measures to keep things from getting worse.

 
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Maybe. But we should take measures to keep things from getting worse.
Does it matter to a place like Miami if the sea levels only rise 6 feet instead of 10?

I think the more important question is:  whose on the hook to pay for it?  Will Phil Collins and his $30m Miami beachfront mansion need a tax-payer funded bailout when it's underwater?

 
Does it matter to a place like Miami if the sea levels only rise 6 feet instead of 10?

I think the more important question is:  whose on the hook to pay for it?  Will Phil Collins and his $30m Miami beachfront mansion need a tax-payer funded bailout when it's underwater?
Actually that does matter. The cost of mitigation changes drastically depending on how severe the change is. We're all on the hook to pay for it. Until we figure out how to un-externalize the cost of ecological damage caused by the products and services we buy, the whole population pays (either through taxes spent on mitigation, or just plain suffering a deteriorating environment if nothing is done).

Trump's focusing on the wrong walls - we'll need seawalls much more than land ones pretty soon.

 
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It doesn't matter.

Had we marshaled all of the innovation of this great country twenty years ago - it still wouldn't matter.  The consequences of far too many people using far too many of the earths resources for far too long are overdue and whether we face those consequences in a season, in a year, in a decade or in a century...they are what they are.  
It may be too late to prevent any warming, but that doesn't follow that we cannot do anything about the catastrophic scenarios currently projected

 
What a stupid article. They're comparing different maps showing different measurements based on different data sets. What kind of idiots get taken in by the junk this site puts out? Go look at the data sets involved in these analyses and see how those results are generated. Here's the methodology of the Land & Ocean Temperature Percentiles maps. Then they compare surface land/water temperature measurements against upper air temperature measurements (that TLT map)  to try and make a point. What a joke. :lmao:

And on top of that, that same TLT map that they try to use as some sort of refutation has indications of anomalies all over it. And beyond that, the trend map for that data series shows global warming over the duration of the data set. :lmao:

 
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Trump To Gut NASA's Climate Research Over Claims It's Been 'Politicized'

As president, Donald Trump plans to wind down funding to NASA's earth science division, which leads federal climate change research that has been heralded scientific community, a Trump advisor told the Guardian in a report published Wednesday. 

The advisor, Bob Walker, said that the research "has been heavily politicized" and "Mr. Trump’s decisions will be based upon solid science, not politicized science.” He said NASA funding will instead shift to deep space exploration, as Trump campaigned on exploring the entirety of the solar system by the end of the century, according to the Guardian.

 
Who "politicized" the science again?

Such a child.

Yeah, let's ignore all the problems here on Earth and go explore "the entirety of the solar system".

Maybe he'll find us a new planet to live on.

 
Al Gore, among many others on that side of the aisle.
You have it backwards.

Al Gore and the left listened to the experts scientific community. And then made recommendations based on their findings.

The right, who is routinely funded by the oil, gas, and coal industries claimed it was all a hoax and that 99% of scientists WORLDWIDE were all in on some massive conspiracy to raise taxes in the United States.

 Which is more likely?

That 99% of climate scientists on the planet are falsifying data in order to raise taxes in the US, or that some politicians with no scientific expertise whatsoever want to keep their coffers filled with donations from the oil and gas industry?

Occam's Razor

 
Skoo said:
And what about the 99% of climate scientists worldwide who believe climate change is real?

Are they are all falsifying data as part of a massive global conspiracy?
I know it's tempting because it's soooo idiotic, but you're wasting air and probably doing harm. Been a strategy a long time to do more than counter liberal positions & establish the eminence of their own and go directly after the most obviously incontrovertible issues (environment, tolerance) on which the left are the no-doubt good guys, with their truthiness. The laughable part is that these boardsters are shilling for people who couldnt care less about them in order to be part of the same club as the superrich to feel better about themselves. The wasteful part is that they got you leaning in with the outrageousness of their claims. The harmful part is that the talky right have so many people distracted by countering nonsense on these issues and grouping everyone who disagrees with them with the ugly Old Left (educators, unions) that many centrists and liberals spend so much time on the defensive they haven't the energy to coordinate with each other on strengths. Explaining anything to them is the equivalent to reciting the rulebook of a sport to a child who wants no more than to whifflebat your nuts. 

Someone will come along now and ask me to prove something, because the minute someone disagrees with a polemicist it becomes a court of law, not a forum of opinion. Waste your time if that's what you come here to do, just keep in mind that you're not changing minds. The issue is only the dues the to club that helps them feel in control of something. The only winning strategy is to walk away, because they've already won if you engage.

 
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Skoo said:
And what about the 99% of climate scientists worldwide who believe climate change is real?

Are they are all falsifying data as part of a massive global conspiracy?
It's not 99%.

There are definite adjustments of the temperature record going on.  Whether or not it's justified is an open question, but no doubt it coincidentally lines up each time they adjust it to what they think it should be.

Climate models have been horribly wrong.

Al Gore was wrong about the issue being closed - lots and lots of literature on even basic stuff still being published.  The earth is a horribly complex system.  

Al Gore has made about 150M off of his climate change publicity.

Despite all this there is still good evidence that humans are having an effect on temperatures.  How much is very much an open question.

 
Skoo said:
And what about the 99% of climate scientists worldwide who believe climate change is real?

Are they are all falsifying data as part of a massive global conspiracy?
Remember, Sand swears up and down that Jeff B Sessions isn't a racist because he had wonderful conversations with him.  He's like bueno, jr.  You aren't changing minds here, but if you want to play debate club, I'll get out of your way. :)

 
Remember, Sand swears up and down that Jeff B Sessions isn't a racist because he had wonderful conversations with him.  He's like bueno, jr.  You aren't changing minds here, but if you want to play debate club, I'll get out of your way. :)
What's is your point?

 
Climate change will stir refugee crisis according to military experts.

Climate change is set to cause a refugee crisis of “unimaginable scale”, according to senior military figures, who warn that global warming is the greatest security threat of the 21st century and that mass migration will become the “new normal”.

The generals said the impacts of climate change were already factors in the conflicts driving a current crisis of migration into Europe, having been linked to the Arab Spring, the war in Syria and the Boko Haram terrorist insurgency.

Military leaders have long warned that global warming could multiply and accelerate security threats around the world by provoking conflicts and migration. They are now warning that immediate action is required.

“Climate change is the greatest security threat of the 21st century,” said Maj Gen Munir Muniruzzaman, chairman of the Global Military Advisory Council on climate change and a former military adviser to the president of Bangladesh. He said one metre of sea level rise will flood 20% of his nation. “We’re going to see refugee problems on an unimaginable scale, potentially above 30 million people.” 

Previously, Bangladesh’s finance minister, Abul Maal Abdul Muhith, called on Britain and other wealthy countries to accept millions of displaced people.

Brig Gen Stephen Cheney, a member of the US Department of State’s foreign affairs policy board and CEO of the American Security Project, said: “Climate change could lead to a humanitarian crisis of epic proportions. We’re already seeing migration of large numbers of people around the world because of food scarcity, water insecurity and extreme weather, and this is set to become the new normal.“Climate change impacts are also acting as an accelerant of instability in parts of the world on Europe’s doorstep, including the Middle East and Africa,” Cheney said. “There are direct links to climate change in the Arab Spring, the war in Syria, and the Boko Haram terrorist insurgency in sub-Saharan Africa.”

After Donald Trump, who has called climate change a hoax, won the US presidential election in November, Cheney said he expected senior military officials to impress upon Trump the grave threat posed to national security by global warming. “I’ve got to believe there are enough folks on the national security side that we can make a dent in this.”

R Adm Neil Morisetti, a former commander of the UK maritime forces and the UK’s climate and energy security envoy, said: “Climate change is a strategic security threat that sits alongside others like terrorism and state-on-state conflict, but it also interacts with these threats. It is complex and challenging; this is not a concern for tomorrow, the impacts are playing out today.” 

Morisetti said climate change would mean the UK military will be deployed more often to conflict and disaster zones. The military leaders were speaking ahead of an event in London on Thursday.

In September, a coalition of 25 US military and national security experts, including former advisers to Ronald Reagan and George W Bush, warned that climate change poses a “significant risk to US national security and international security” that requires more attention from the US federal government. 

In 2015, a UK foreign office report made a stark assessment of the dangers posed by unchecked global warming, including very large risks to global food security, increased risk of terrorism as states fail, and unprecedented migration that would overwhelm international assistance.

“Countries are going to pay for climate change one way or another,” said Cheney. “The best way to pay for it is by tackling the root causes of climate change and cutting greenhouse gas emissions. If we do not, the national security impacts will be increasingly costly and challenging.”

 

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