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2 hours ago, Eephus said:

Over 2700 career hits in a HoVG career.   He was kind of a throwback to an earlier time with only a 4.5% strikeout rate over his 22 year career.  He didn't walk much either.

The image of old slow 1986 Buckner is so cemented in our collective memories that it's easy to forget that he twice finished in the top ten in steals.  He ended his career with more SB (183) than HR (174).

Pretty low similarity scores for his B-R comps.

  1. Mickey Vernon (876.6)
  2. Al Oliver (866.7)
  3. Steve Garvey (855.5)
  4. Mark Grace (853.7)
  5. Willie Davis (850.0)
  6. B.J. Surhoff (839.0)
  7. Buddy Bell (838.7)
  8. Vada Pinson (833.1)
  9. Jose Cruz (828.5)
  10. Julio Franco (826.3)

Bill Buckner's last HR was an inside the park HR against the Angels in April 1990. 

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Loved watching Buckner when he played for the cubbies.  A class act. 

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On Sunday, the last full day of Bill Buckner's life, 16 major leaguers struck out at least three times. Buckner played 22 seasons and never did it once. 

 

The most he ever struck out in a season was 39 times

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Angels just announced current player Tyler Skaggs died this morning. No cause given. 

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44 minutes ago, NREC34 said:

Jim Bouton, author of Ball Four, has passed. 

RIP.  Such a great book.

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1 hour ago, Don Quixote said:
2 hours ago, NREC34 said:

Jim Bouton, author of Ball Four, has passed. 

RIP.  Such a great book. 

Often imitated, never equaled.

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I also read that Jim Bouton had a hand in the creation of Big League Chew. I’d never heard that before. 

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A ballplayer spends a good piece of his life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time.

Jim Bouton

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Paul Schramka.

He played two games for the Cubs in April of 1953--as a pinch-runner, and a late inning defensive replacement. Never had a plate appearance.

He was the second to last player to wear jersey #14 for the Cubs. 

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Ernie Broglio 1935-2019

Famously traded by the Cardinals to the Cubs for Lou Brock in 1964.  Post-trade rWAR:  Broglio -1.5,  Brock 41.8.  In the Cubs defense, Broglio had been a decent starter prior to the trade

B-R comps

  1. Chuck Dobson (964.2)
  2. Bill Voiselle (963.1)
  3. Ewell Blackwell (957.5)
  4. Ben McDonald (957.1)
  5. Jhoulys Chacin (956.7)
  6. Danny Cox (955.9)
  7. Dixie Davis (951.9)
  8. Jose Guzman (951.0)
  9. Red Munger (950.0)
  10. Chris Young (949.8)

 

 

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Passed yesterday

Pumpsie Green 1933-2019

First African American player to play for the Red Sox

Comps:
Russ Adams (975.8)
Wilmer Difo (974.6)
Jason Bates (966.9)
Heinie Schuble (966.0)
Ollie Bejma (964.8)
Buddy Blattner (961.0)
Ruben Gotay (958.6)
Bobby LaMotte (957.6)
Blake Swihart (957.1)
Ehire Adrianza (954.7)

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19 minutes ago, NREC34 said:

Don Mossi passed away I just read on Twitter 

Thought he died ears and ears ago.

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20 minutes ago, Eephus said:

Thought he died ears and ears ago.

First Ross Perot and now Mossi. Been a tough month for big ear guys. 

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On 7/11/2019 at 1:53 AM, Encyclopedia Brown said:

Paul Schramka.

He played two games for the Cubs in April of 1953--as a pinch-runner, and a late inning defensive replacement. Never had a plate appearance.

He was the second to last player to wear jersey #14 for the Cubs. 

also Moonlight Graham's backup in Field of Dreams, but never got a chance...

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Al Jackson 1935-2019

LHP Jackson was an expansion draft pick by the Mets and moved right into the rotation.  He ate a ton of innings (877) for terrible teams racking up 73 losses in four seasons with the Amazins.   He was a member of the world champion 67 Cardinals but didn't appear in the WS. 

  1. Paul Minner (959.0)
  2. Al Hollingsworth (958.9)
  3. Rick Langford (958.7)
  4. Lew Krausse (952.3)
  5. Vern Ruhle (949.8)
  6. John Buzhardt (947.1)
  7. Bob Weiland (945.6)
  8. Warren Hacker (938.8)
  9. Pete Falcone (938.4)
  10. Ben Cantwell (937.4

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Not the player himself, but Blake Bivens (Rays AA) wife and daughter were murdered by his wife's 18 year old brother. The brother then ran naked after an officer, a cameraman, a guy going to church and then the police there to arrest him. Obviously some mental illness. There is video which I'm kind of surprised is released given the circumstances.

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Tyler Skaggs's cause of death ruled an accidental overdose of alcohol, oxy, and fentanyl. So sad. RIP. 

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Tom Jordan 1919-2019

Tom Jordan, the oldest living Major Leaguer died on August 26th ten days shy of his 100th birthday.   He was a catcher who played parts of three seasons with the White Sox, Indians and Browns.

The mantle has been passed to Val Heim who had 51 PAs for the 1942 White Sox.  It would have been Bill Mills, who went 1 for 4 with one walk for the 1944 A's, but he died two weeks before Jordan did. 

Jordan and Mills were the last two players born in the 1910s.

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On 9/6/2019 at 9:05 PM, Eephus said:

Chris Duncan (1981-2019)

Had a couple of good years as a platoon OF for the Cardinals including the 2006 champion team.

My son and I met him at a baseball camp a few years ago that the local ESPN station put on for kids of all ages. Super nice guy.  He used to host a show on that ESPN radio station that I used to listen to quite a bit.

Only 38 years old. This one hurts.

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Charlie Silvera, Yogi Berra's longtime backup died at age 94.  Silvera won six championships with the Yankees but only had 541 PAs over his ten year career. 

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Wally Westlake passed away the other day.  It leaves one living Cleveland Indian who won a WS title.

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Alex Grammas 1926-2019

He played ten seasons in the majors and managed the Brewers but is probably best known as the longtime third base coach for teams managed by Sparky Anderson.  As a player, he was a light hitting middle infielder.

  1. Rocky Bridges (969.9)
  2. Ruben Tejada (968.1)
  3. Dave Anderson (964.6)
  4. Hal Rhyne (961.1)
  5. Glenn Hoffman (958.8)
  6. Danny Thompson (958.4)
  7. Sam Dente (953.2)
  8. Rafael Santana (951.1)
  9. Woody Woodward (950.4)
  10. Ramon Santiago (948.1)

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Andy Etchebarran passed. 

Had one of the best eyebrow games going in mlb history. 

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18 hours ago, NREC34 said:

Andy Etchebarran passed. 

Had one of the best eyebrow games going in mlb history. 

He was also the last player ever to bat against Sandy Koufax. 

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Jackie Hernandez, a light hitting SS (career 49 OPS+) from Cuba, died at age 79.  Hernandez was an original Kansas City Royal and as a Pirate got the assist on the final out of the 1971 World Series.

His B-R comps include Mario Mendoza and Chicken Stanley

  1. Jim Mason (979.9)
  2. Mario Mendoza (967.1)
  3. Rick Auerbach (962.7)
  4. Hector Torres (961.6)
  5. Steve Jeltz (959.7)
  6. Fred Stanley (958.0)
  7. Dick Tracewski (955.2)
  8. Billy Hunter (950.6)
  9. Jack Heidemann (950.1)
  10. Luis Gomez (949.6)

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Fairly was a solid ballplayer whose numbers were hurt by playing his prime years in Dodger Stadium during a tough era to score runs.  His B-R comps include a bunch of big names.

  1. Ken Singleton (898.5)
  2. Dusty Baker (896.4)
  3. Jeff Conine (890.4)
  4. George Scott (883.9)
  5. Sal Bando (882.3)
  6. Gary Matthews (880.8)
  7. Bobby Murcer (875.8)
  8. Chris Chambliss (870.4)
  9. Chet Lemon (869.4)
  10. George Hendrick (866.4)

He announced big league games for almost thirty years including a few years with the hum baby Giants.  I remember him as a meat and potatoes type of voice who was put in a tough position replacing the humorous Hank Greenwald--his history as a Dodger didn't help either.

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Irv Noren 1924-2019

Noren played OF for six teams in the 50s.  He appeared in three World Series for the Yankees filling in for Mickey Mantle after he was injured in 1955.  He got two more rings as a third base coach for the 1970s Athletics.  Noren also had a brief pro basketball career in the NBL.

In his prime, he could get on base but never hit more than 14 HRs in a season.  His production pretty much cratered after age 30.

B-R comps

  1. Floyd Robinson (967.4)
  2. Al Zarilla (960.3)
  3. Steve Henderson (957.2)
  4. Sam Mele (954.7)
  5. Terrence Long (954.6)
  6. Gene Moore (953.7)
  7. Elmer Smith (951.9)
  8. Gabe Kapler (950.1)
  9. Willie Crawford (948.8)
  10. Barry Bonnell (942.8)

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I was watching a YouTube video last night of the end of the perfect game and Vin Scully was actually calling it. I swear I think he made a mistake though. He said something like it was the second perfect game ever but I looked it up and it was like the 4th in the modern era. Unless he was talking about something else and I didn’t understand...

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4 hours ago, NREC34 said:

I was watching a YouTube video last night of the end of the perfect game and Vin Scully was actually calling it. I swear I think he made a mistake though. He said something like it was the second perfect game ever but I looked it up and it was like the 4th in the modern era. Unless he was talking about something else and I didn’t understand...

yeah, it seems like he got his info from the baseball encyclopedia, which he pimps shortly after, and which there is a description of here: http://thecomeback.com/theoutsidecorner/2013-articles/rare-vin-scully-video-of-don-larsen-s-perfect-game.html

though that blog post doesn't mention the error either.

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5 hours ago, Long Ball Larry said:

yeah, it seems like he got his info from the baseball encyclopedia, which he pimps shortly after, and which there is a description of here: http://thecomeback.com/theoutsidecorner/2013-articles/rare-vin-scully-video-of-don-larsen-s-perfect-game.html

though that blog post doesn't mention the error either.

I found someone on reddit that posted about it

At any rate, RIP Don 

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Journeyman pitcher Ed Sprague who played eight MLB seasons for four franchises died at age 76.  His son Ed Jr. was also a big leaguer.

B-R comps:

  1. Tom Walker (985.7)
  2. Bill Fleming (979.3)
  3. Jeff Dedmon (978.7)
  4. Tom Hausman (977.9)
  5. John Urrea (977.9)
  6. Ken Trinkle (977.6)
  7. Roy Thomas (977.0)
  8. Salome Barojas (976.3)
  9. Jim York (975.1)
  10. Jake Mooty (974.6)

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I remember Bill Madlock taking Fernandez out on the pivot during September 1987.  The injury changed the direction of the AL East pennant race.  The 1990 trade involving Fernandez, Fred McGriff, Joe Carter and Roberto Alomar was one of the biggest I can remember.  It's rare to have multiple star players in their prime traded for one another but a deal with four of them (and no prospects) is almost unheard of.

Tony's B-R comps list includes three Hall of Famers

  1.     Dick Bartell (917.6)
  2.     Edgar Renteria (901.4)
  3.     Red Schoendienst (893.3) *
  4.     Al Dark (886.1)
  5.     Orlando Cabrera (880.3)
  6.     Dave Concepcion (875.3)
  7.     Billy Herman (874.0) *
  8.     Mark Grudzielanek (872.7)
  9.     Jimmy Dykes (869.9)
  10.     Alan Trammell (865.0) *

 

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4 hours ago, Eephus said:

I remember Bill Madlock taking Fernandez out on the pivot during September 1987.  The injury changed the direction of the AL East pennant race.  The 1990 trade involving Fernandez, Fred McGriff, Joe Carter and Roberto Alomar was one of the biggest I can remember.  It's rare to have multiple star players in their prime traded for one another but a deal with four of them (and no prospects) is almost unheard of.

Tony's B-R comps list includes three Hall of Famers

  1.     Dick Bartell (917.6)
  2.     Edgar Renteria (901.4)
  3.     Red Schoendienst (893.3) *
  4.     Al Dark (886.1)
  5.     Orlando Cabrera (880.3)
  6.     Dave Concepcion (875.3)
  7.     Billy Herman (874.0) *
  8.     Mark Grudzielanek (872.7)
  9.     Jimmy Dykes (869.9)
  10.     Alan Trammell (865.0) *

 

One of my favorite players.  RIP Tony. 

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Johnny Antonelli  (1930-2020)

The lefty had his best year for the 1954 World Champion Giants throwing 258 innings of 178 ERA+ ball.  He'd just been acquired that off-season from the Braves as a 24 year old.  The Cy Young award wouldn't exist for another two years but he was the best pitcher in the NL that year and finished third in the MVP race.  He had a nice career (31.2 WAR) in spite of missing two years to Korea and retiring early at age 31.  He didn't like the travel or being on the West Coast so he returned to run his tire store in Rochester.

His B-R comps include a WIS legend, a CYA winner and two great characters of the game.

  1. Gary Peters (961.5)
  2. Howie Pollet (956.9)
  3. Steve Gromek (952.7)
  4. Nelson Briles (946.5)
  5. Frank Lary (946.0)
  6. Steve Barber (944.6)
  7. Bob Ojeda (944.1)
  8. Mike Scott (943.8)
  9. Dock Ellis (941.2)
  10. Joaquin Andujar (940.9)

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