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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2012 Off Season Thread

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Right now, the draft order is:1. Indy2. St. Louis3. Minnesota4. Cleveland5. Tampa Bay6. WashingtonThe top pick will be Luck, but with the Polians out, the Colts are more likely to deal the pick. The Rams and Vikings have strongly stated that Bradford and Ponder are the QBs that they are building around. Of course, that could be the start of the pre-draft mis-information teams like to send out.Cleveland has strongly said that McCoy will have competition. Tampa is looking for a new coach, so their position on Freemen is not known.Trading up to #3 looks like it guarantees Griffin. If Cleveland and Tampa pass on QBs (or one of them trades up with the Colts), Griffin could fall to the Redskins. They could also sign Flynn and take themselves out of drafting a QB high. As dgreen mentioned, a lot can change between now and the draft. But one way or another, the Redskins need to get their QB this year.

Good analysis. What worries me about the # 2 pick is that even if the Rams don't want to switch at QB (which I think is likely), they are definitely going to have suitors for that pick, for a team that wants either Luck or RGIII come heck or highwater. If Skins give up something significant to get to # 3, they still may get outflanked. I think it just one of those things where the Skins need to look at available QB options and decide if moving up to # 2 is worth it. If it is, then just go for it. If you think RGIII is going to grow into a guy who is truly a franchise QB -- and I mean like Brady or Brees or someone -- then I just think you have to go for it even if you are giving up future draft picks. But if you are not certain, then go another way.I think the problem with the Redskins giving up picks for players in the past was NOT that it's always better to have more picks. The problem was they were trading those picks for BUSTS. The question is not whether to trade picks, it's how certain are you that RGIII could rise to that level. Remember, the Redskins are still going to have to fill holes with lower round players or FAs no matter what. If you take a QB early, then you are filling other important holes, like OL, late. But if you save your # 1 picks for non-QB positions, then you fill in with a QB late. Either way you are in that same situation. The question is: Will RGIII elevate your team more than not having another pick later on will hurt your team.

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The guy I keep hearing the Redskins could take late first round or early second is this Ryan Tannehill kid from Texas A & M. What is the deal with him? Is he a potential fit for the Redskins? There was a college scouting expert on the radio that said the Skins could probably trade back from the 6th pick to pick up more picks and still get Tannehill. He was also saying the Redskins could get an excellent non-QB player first round then perhaps trade back up into the first round to take him.

Would he have the potential to be QB to build around? I know he's not Luck or RGIII, but just looking at what are the realistic possibilities.

Here is some background on Tannehill from CBS Sportsline. It looks like he's now considered the # 3 QB prospect behind Luck and RG...

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1273654/ryan-tannehill

I hate this idea. Trading back into the first always costs a future first round pick +. If they are going to trade those picks, they might as well go to the top of the draft and take the best, even it costs an extra pick or two.

Either way I'm going to do my best not to get too caught up in this until after we see where Flynn lands. If he lands in Cleveland, I think we're pretty safe staying at 6. If he ends up in Washington, obviously this whole discussion goes out the window.

Anyone else worried that RG3 will weigh in at 180 5-11 at the combine? He just looks small sometimes.

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Right now, the draft order is:

1. Indy

2. St. Louis

3. Minnesota

4. Cleveland

5. Tampa Bay

6. Washington

The top pick will be Luck, but with the Polians out, the Colts are more likely to deal the pick.

The Rams and Vikings have strongly stated that Bradford and Ponder are the QBs that they are building around. Of course, that could be the start of the pre-draft mis-information teams like to send out.

Cleveland has strongly said that McCoy will have competition. Tampa is looking for a new coach, so their position on Freemen is not known.

Trading up to #3 looks like it guarantees Griffin. If Cleveland and Tampa pass on QBs (or one of them trades up with the Colts), Griffin could fall to the Redskins. They could also sign Flynn and take themselves out of drafting a QB high. As dgreen mentioned, a lot can change between now and the draft. But one way or another, the Redskins need to get their QB this year.

Good analysis. What worries me about the # 2 pick is that even if the Rams don't want to switch at QB (which I think is likely), they are definitely going to have suitors for that pick, for a team that wants either Luck or RGIII come heck or highwater. If Skins give up something significant to get to # 3, they still may get outflanked. I think it just one of those things where the Skins need to look at available QB options and decide if moving up to # 2 is worth it. If it is, then just go for it. If you think RGIII is going to grow into a guy who is truly a franchise QB -- and I mean like Brady or Brees or someone -- then I just think you have to go for it even if you are giving up future draft picks. But if you are not certain, then go another way.

I think the problem with the Redskins giving up picks for players in the past was NOT that it's always better to have more picks. The problem was they were trading those picks for BUSTS. The question is not whether to trade picks, it's how certain are you that RGIII could rise to that level.

Remember, the Redskins are still going to have to fill holes with lower round players or FAs no matter what. If you take a QB early, then you are filling other important holes, like OL, late. But if you save your # 1 picks for non-QB positions, then you fill in with a QB late. Either way you are in that same situation. The question is: Will RGIII elevate your team more than not having another pick later on will hurt your team.

Who are these teams, though? Cleveland, maybe. But who else? Dolphins, I suppose. Seahawks? Anyone else? Most of the other teams who are weak at the position either are starting a young high draft pick or they're stuck after recently committing to their starter (Buffalo, Arizona). I just don't think there's that many teams chasing a QB in the first or even second round this year.

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Right now, the draft order is:

1. Indy

2. St. Louis

3. Minnesota

4. Cleveland

5. Tampa Bay

6. Washington

The top pick will be Luck, but with the Polians out, the Colts are more likely to deal the pick.

The Rams and Vikings have strongly stated that Bradford and Ponder are the QBs that they are building around. Of course, that could be the start of the pre-draft mis-information teams like to send out.

Cleveland has strongly said that McCoy will have competition. Tampa is looking for a new coach, so their position on Freemen is not known.

Trading up to #3 looks like it guarantees Griffin. If Cleveland and Tampa pass on QBs (or one of them trades up with the Colts), Griffin could fall to the Redskins. They could also sign Flynn and take themselves out of drafting a QB high. As dgreen mentioned, a lot can change between now and the draft. But one way or another, the Redskins need to get their QB this year.

Good analysis. What worries me about the # 2 pick is that even if the Rams don't want to switch at QB (which I think is likely), they are definitely going to have suitors for that pick, for a team that wants either Luck or RGIII come heck or highwater. If Skins give up something significant to get to # 3, they still may get outflanked. I think it just one of those things where the Skins need to look at available QB options and decide if moving up to # 2 is worth it. If it is, then just go for it. If you think RGIII is going to grow into a guy who is truly a franchise QB -- and I mean like Brady or Brees or someone -- then I just think you have to go for it even if you are giving up future draft picks. But if you are not certain, then go another way.

I think the problem with the Redskins giving up picks for players in the past was NOT that it's always better to have more picks. The problem was they were trading those picks for BUSTS. The question is not whether to trade picks, it's how certain are you that RGIII could rise to that level.

Remember, the Redskins are still going to have to fill holes with lower round players or FAs no matter what. If you take a QB early, then you are filling other important holes, like OL, late. But if you save your # 1 picks for non-QB positions, then you fill in with a QB late. Either way you are in that same situation. The question is: Will RGIII elevate your team more than not having another pick later on will hurt your team.

Who are these teams, though? Cleveland, maybe. But who else? Dolphins, I suppose. Seahawks? Anyone else? Most of the other teams who are weak at the position either are starting a young high draft pick or they're stuck after recently committing to their starter (Buffalo, Arizona). I just don't think there's that many teams chasing a QB in the first or even second round this year.
Some others:

#7 - Jacksonville (although they have Gabbert)

#9 - Miami

#11 - Seattle (how happy are they with Jackson?)

Most other teams look set at QB. For Miami or Seattle to leapfrog the Redskins from #9 or #11 will probably cost a fortune, most likely a fortune they are not willing to give up.

I still think if other players look good at the combine, RG3 may fall.

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Right now, the draft order is:

1. Indy

2. St. Louis

3. Minnesota

4. Cleveland

5. Tampa Bay

6. Washington

The top pick will be Luck, but with the Polians out, the Colts are more likely to deal the pick.

The Rams and Vikings have strongly stated that Bradford and Ponder are the QBs that they are building around. Of course, that could be the start of the pre-draft mis-information teams like to send out.

Cleveland has strongly said that McCoy will have competition. Tampa is looking for a new coach, so their position on Freemen is not known.

Trading up to #3 looks like it guarantees Griffin. If Cleveland and Tampa pass on QBs (or one of them trades up with the Colts), Griffin could fall to the Redskins. They could also sign Flynn and take themselves out of drafting a QB high. As dgreen mentioned, a lot can change between now and the draft. But one way or another, the Redskins need to get their QB this year.

Good analysis. What worries me about the # 2 pick is that even if the Rams don't want to switch at QB (which I think is likely), they are definitely going to have suitors for that pick, for a team that wants either Luck or RGIII come heck or highwater. If Skins give up something significant to get to # 3, they still may get outflanked. I think it just one of those things where the Skins need to look at available QB options and decide if moving up to # 2 is worth it. If it is, then just go for it. If you think RGIII is going to grow into a guy who is truly a franchise QB -- and I mean like Brady or Brees or someone -- then I just think you have to go for it even if you are giving up future draft picks. But if you are not certain, then go another way.

I think the problem with the Redskins giving up picks for players in the past was NOT that it's always better to have more picks. The problem was they were trading those picks for BUSTS. The question is not whether to trade picks, it's how certain are you that RGIII could rise to that level.

Remember, the Redskins are still going to have to fill holes with lower round players or FAs no matter what. If you take a QB early, then you are filling other important holes, like OL, late. But if you save your # 1 picks for non-QB positions, then you fill in with a QB late. Either way you are in that same situation. The question is: Will RGIII elevate your team more than not having another pick later on will hurt your team.

Who are these teams, though? Cleveland, maybe. But who else? Dolphins, I suppose. Seahawks? Anyone else? Most of the other teams who are weak at the position either are starting a young high draft pick or they're stuck after recently committing to their starter (Buffalo, Arizona). I just don't think there's that many teams chasing a QB in the first or even second round this year.
Some others:

#7 - Jacksonville (although they have Gabbert)

#9 - Miami

#11 - Seattle (how happy are they with Jackson?)

Most other teams look set at QB. For Miami or Seattle to leapfrog the Redskins from #9 or #11 will probably cost a fortune, most likely a fortune they are not willing to give up.

I still think if other players look good at the combine, RG3 may fall.

First, just the threat of Miami or Seattle moving up should be enough to give the team pause, if the option is: a.) not going for Flynn and b.) just banking on RGIII dropping. If b.) doesn't come into play, then you are stuck either reaching for a QB at 6 or taking a possible question mark in the second round. Going into the season without an upgrade at QB though is a terrible outcome for the Redskins IMO and may lead to a more severe breakup and restructuring of the team if they flounder with Grossman or someone else over the year. The question is -- do you really want to take that chance?

I guess you could add the Broncos to the list if Tebow continues to falter or possibly the Titans or Raiders if they feel their older QBs need to be replaced sooner rather than later, though I imagine Oakland doesn't have much to bargain with and the Titans just took Locker. The Skins are a good trading partner for the Rams, though, as the Skins have higher picks to offer. The other thing is, Cleveland is not honor bound to stay put at 4 just to let the Redskins move up to 3. They could also try to trade picks with the Rams and throw in something extra, and then the Rams only have to move back 2.

There are lots of scenarios that can unfold, and staying at 6 and banking on getting RGIII there is chock full of risks. So, if they stay put, they just need to have an iron clad backup plan in place.

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Right now, the draft order is:

1. Indy

2. St. Louis

3. Minnesota

4. Cleveland

5. Tampa Bay

6. Washington

The top pick will be Luck, but with the Polians out, the Colts are more likely to deal the pick.

The Rams and Vikings have strongly stated that Bradford and Ponder are the QBs that they are building around. Of course, that could be the start of the pre-draft mis-information teams like to send out.

Cleveland has strongly said that McCoy will have competition. Tampa is looking for a new coach, so their position on Freemen is not known.

Trading up to #3 looks like it guarantees Griffin. If Cleveland and Tampa pass on QBs (or one of them trades up with the Colts), Griffin could fall to the Redskins. They could also sign Flynn and take themselves out of drafting a QB high. As dgreen mentioned, a lot can change between now and the draft. But one way or another, the Redskins need to get their QB this year.

Good analysis. What worries me about the # 2 pick is that even if the Rams don't want to switch at QB (which I think is likely), they are definitely going to have suitors for that pick, for a team that wants either Luck or RGIII come heck or highwater. If Skins give up something significant to get to # 3, they still may get outflanked. I think it just one of those things where the Skins need to look at available QB options and decide if moving up to # 2 is worth it. If it is, then just go for it. If you think RGIII is going to grow into a guy who is truly a franchise QB -- and I mean like Brady or Brees or someone -- then I just think you have to go for it even if you are giving up future draft picks. But if you are not certain, then go another way.

I think the problem with the Redskins giving up picks for players in the past was NOT that it's always better to have more picks. The problem was they were trading those picks for BUSTS. The question is not whether to trade picks, it's how certain are you that RGIII could rise to that level.

Remember, the Redskins are still going to have to fill holes with lower round players or FAs no matter what. If you take a QB early, then you are filling other important holes, like OL, late. But if you save your # 1 picks for non-QB positions, then you fill in with a QB late. Either way you are in that same situation. The question is: Will RGIII elevate your team more than not having another pick later on will hurt your team.

Who are these teams, though? Cleveland, maybe. But who else? Dolphins, I suppose. Seahawks? Anyone else? Most of the other teams who are weak at the position either are starting a young high draft pick or they're stuck after recently committing to their starter (Buffalo, Arizona). I just don't think there's that many teams chasing a QB in the first or even second round this year.
Some others:

#7 - Jacksonville (although they have Gabbert)

#9 - Miami

#11 - Seattle (how happy are they with Jackson?)

Most other teams look set at QB. For Miami or Seattle to leapfrog the Redskins from #9 or #11 will probably cost a fortune, most likely a fortune they are not willing to give up.

I still think if other players look good at the combine, RG3 may fall.

Yeah, Miami and Seattle. We came up with the same ones. I don't think Jacksonville will be in the market for a QB. At least they shouldn't be, they have plenty of holes to fill and haven't given Gabbert much of a shot yet.

Assuming it would cost Miami and Seattle too much to trade up, if we want one of the top two the only real issue is getting (and staying) ahead of the Browns in my opinion.

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Right now, the draft order is:

1. Indy

2. St. Louis

3. Minnesota

4. Cleveland

5. Tampa Bay

6. Washington

The top pick will be Luck, but with the Polians out, the Colts are more likely to deal the pick.

The Rams and Vikings have strongly stated that Bradford and Ponder are the QBs that they are building around. Of course, that could be the start of the pre-draft mis-information teams like to send out.

Cleveland has strongly said that McCoy will have competition. Tampa is looking for a new coach, so their position on Freemen is not known.

Trading up to #3 looks like it guarantees Griffin. If Cleveland and Tampa pass on QBs (or one of them trades up with the Colts), Griffin could fall to the Redskins. They could also sign Flynn and take themselves out of drafting a QB high. As dgreen mentioned, a lot can change between now and the draft. But one way or another, the Redskins need to get their QB this year.

Good analysis. What worries me about the # 2 pick is that even if the Rams don't want to switch at QB (which I think is likely), they are definitely going to have suitors for that pick, for a team that wants either Luck or RGIII come heck or highwater. If Skins give up something significant to get to # 3, they still may get outflanked. I think it just one of those things where the Skins need to look at available QB options and decide if moving up to # 2 is worth it. If it is, then just go for it. If you think RGIII is going to grow into a guy who is truly a franchise QB -- and I mean like Brady or Brees or someone -- then I just think you have to go for it even if you are giving up future draft picks. But if you are not certain, then go another way.

I think the problem with the Redskins giving up picks for players in the past was NOT that it's always better to have more picks. The problem was they were trading those picks for BUSTS. The question is not whether to trade picks, it's how certain are you that RGIII could rise to that level.

Remember, the Redskins are still going to have to fill holes with lower round players or FAs no matter what. If you take a QB early, then you are filling other important holes, like OL, late. But if you save your # 1 picks for non-QB positions, then you fill in with a QB late. Either way you are in that same situation. The question is: Will RGIII elevate your team more than not having another pick later on will hurt your team.

Who are these teams, though? Cleveland, maybe. But who else? Dolphins, I suppose. Seahawks? Anyone else? Most of the other teams who are weak at the position either are starting a young high draft pick or they're stuck after recently committing to their starter (Buffalo, Arizona). I just don't think there's that many teams chasing a QB in the first or even second round this year.
Some others:

#7 - Jacksonville (although they have Gabbert)

#9 - Miami

#11 - Seattle (how happy are they with Jackson?)

Most other teams look set at QB. For Miami or Seattle to leapfrog the Redskins from #9 or #11 will probably cost a fortune, most likely a fortune they are not willing to give up.

I still think if other players look good at the combine, RG3 may fall.

First, just the threat of Miami or Seattle moving up should be enough to give the team pause, if the option is: a.) not going for Flynn and b.) just banking on RGIII dropping. If b.) doesn't come into play, then you are stuck either reaching for a QB at 6 or taking a possible question mark in the second round. Going into the season without an upgrade at QB though is a terrible outcome for the Redskins IMO and may lead to a more severe breakup and restructuring of the team if they flounder with Grossman or someone else over the year. The question is -- do you really want to take that chance?

I guess you could add the Broncos to the list if Tebow continues to falter or possibly the Titans or Raiders if they feel their older QBs need to be replaced sooner rather than later, though I imagine Oakland doesn't have much to bargain with and the Titans just took Locker. The Skins are a good trading partner for the Rams, though, as the Skins have higher picks to offer. The other thing is, Cleveland is not honor bound to stay put at 4 just to let the Redskins move up to 3. They could also try to trade picks with the Rams and throw in something extra, and then the Rams only have to move back 2.

There are lots of scenarios that can unfold, and staying at 6 and banking on getting RGIII there is chock full of risks. So, if they stay put, they just need to have an iron clad backup plan in place.

My guess is that they will be much more aggressive at QB this year. I suspect that if the right QB fell to #10 last year, they would have drafted him. Or if the right QB (Dalton) fell to the 2nd round, they would have taken him. The only thing we know for sure is that Gabbert at #10 was not what they wanted.

I would be open to signing Flynn and drafting RG3 if he falls to #6. Or taking a more developmental Qb in the 2nd or 3rd round. Signing Flynn could take the deparation out of the position.

The next best case scenario is Cleveland signs Flynn and Tampa still belieiving in Freeman, who looked pretty good last year.

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Which looks better to you? This is bascially getting Flynn + drafting mid round QB vs trading lots of picks for Griffin

QB: Flynn, Cousins, Beck (Practice squad: another drafted QB)

RB: Helu, Royster, Hightower, Young

WR: Alston Jeffrey (rd 1), Moss, Hankerson, Gaffney, Armstrong

TE: Cooley, Davis?

OL: add Cody Glenn or Zebrie Sanders (rd 2) to existing line, plus 1 FA

QB: Griffin, Beck, another drafted QB or Grossman

RB: Helu, Royster, Hightower, Young

WR: Moss, Hankerson, Gaffney, Armstrong, Stallworth

TE: Cooley, Davis?

OL: probably add 2 FAs

I like #1 becasue it gets us way younger, adds talent, and takes away putting all of my eggs into Robert Griffin. But I could see how people would vote either way.

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Which looks better to you? This is bascially getting Flynn + drafting mid round QB vs trading lots of picks for GriffinQB: Flynn, Cousins, Beck (Practice squad: another drafted QB)RB: Helu, Royster, Hightower, YoungWR: Alston Jeffrey (rd 1), Moss, Hankerson, Gaffney, ArmstrongTE: Cooley, Davis?OL: add Cody Glenn or Zebrie Sanders (rd 2) to existing line, plus 1 FAQB: Griffin, Beck, another drafted QB or GrossmanRB: Helu, Royster, Hightower, YoungWR: Moss, Hankerson, Gaffney, Armstrong, StallworthTE: Cooley, Davis?OL: probably add 2 FAsI like #1 becasue it gets us way younger, adds talent, and takes away putting all of my eggs into Robert Griffin. But I could see how people would vote either way.

I like the first scenario too, but I would hate life if they drafted Alshon Jeffrey. I think he has bust written all over him. He will be the next BMW. Book it. I don't see him going anywhere in the top 10. I would spooge if they pulled off scenario one and somehow ended up with Blackmon.

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Which looks better to you? This is bascially getting Flynn + drafting mid round QB vs trading lots of picks for GriffinQB: Flynn, Cousins, Beck (Practice squad: another drafted QB)RB: Helu, Royster, Hightower, YoungWR: Alston Jeffrey (rd 1), Moss, Hankerson, Gaffney, ArmstrongTE: Cooley, Davis?OL: add Cody Glenn or Zebrie Sanders (rd 2) to existing line, plus 1 FAQB: Griffin, Beck, another drafted QB or GrossmanRB: Helu, Royster, Hightower, YoungWR: Moss, Hankerson, Gaffney, Armstrong, StallworthTE: Cooley, Davis?OL: probably add 2 FAsI like #1 becasue it gets us way younger, adds talent, and takes away putting all of my eggs into Robert Griffin. But I could see how people would vote either way.

I don't really care as long as they get it right.One note: Grossman is coming back as either a placeholder or 2nd string QB. And despite all I heard on the radio, the Redskins could do a lot worse than Grossman as the backup QB. If Beck is the 3rd string QB, he will be speeddail QB. He won't be on the roster and the Redskins will speed dial Beck if there is an injury. It's not like other teams will be clamoring for Beck to be their 2nd or 3rd string QB.

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My God, the Skins & RGIII appear to be a match made in heaven. You have a city with what has to be one of the largest black fanbases in the country, a kid who will appeal to everyone regardless of color, and a team in real need of a "face". RGIII, if he turns out at least half-way decent, would be a major media star in DC. His only drawback is his size, but all his other assets are off the charts. I really think he could be Drew Brees with dreadlocks & speed.

On another note, I caught London Fletcher on the NFL Network. I'm almost 50 years old so I've been an "aware" football fan for 40-odd years. I can't ever remember a less-appreciated (by the general football public) great player than London. He generates zero buzz and I can't quite figure out why. I know he's not flashy and hasn't played for one of the more successful teams - well, I guess I answered my own question. The guy is a text book classic MLB and I hope he gets the consideration he deserves whenever his name is up for the HOF.

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My God, the Skins & RGIII appear to be a match made in heaven. You have a city with what has to be one of the largest black fanbases in the country, a kid who will appeal to everyone regardless of color, and a team in real need of a "face". RGIII, if he turns out at least half-way decent, would be a major media star in DC. His only drawback is his size, but all his other assets are off the charts. I really think he could be Drew Brees with dreadlocks & speed.

On another note, I caught London Fletcher on the NFL Network. I'm almost 50 years old so I've been an "aware" football fan for 40-odd years. I can't ever remember a less-appreciated (by the general football public) great player than London. He generates zero buzz and I can't quite figure out why. I know he's not flashy and hasn't played for one of the more successful teams - well, I guess I answered my own question. The guy is a text book classic MLB and I hope he gets the consideration he deserves whenever his name is up for the HOF.

He won't which is sad. I think he is just as good as Urlacher or Lewis but I've been just as puzzled as you as why he generates zero buzz.

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My God, the Skins & RGIII appear to be a match made in heaven. You have a city with what has to be one of the largest black fanbases in the country, a kid who will appeal to everyone regardless of color, and a team in real need of a "face". RGIII, if he turns out at least half-way decent, would be a major media star in DC. His only drawback is his size, but all his other assets are off the charts. I really think he could be Drew Brees with dreadlocks & speed.

On another note, I caught London Fletcher on the NFL Network. I'm almost 50 years old so I've been an "aware" football fan for 40-odd years. I can't ever remember a less-appreciated (by the general football public) great player than London. He generates zero buzz and I can't quite figure out why. I know he's not flashy and hasn't played for one of the more successful teams - well, I guess I answered my own question. The guy is a text book classic MLB and I hope he gets the consideration he deserves whenever his name is up for the HOF.

He won't which is sad. I think he is just as good as Urlacher or Lewis but I've been just as puzzled as you as why he generates zero buzz.
Lewis? No chance. I've never been overly impressed with Urlacher, though. I mean, yeah, he's good. Really good. But, I've really understood why he's considered to be so great.

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I hope the Skins aren't interested in Flynn. My dream scenario is the Browns sign Flynn thus taking them out of the RGIII equation. That leaves the Skins and the Dolphins as the only 2 teams really looking for a new QB. The Browns are the only team with better assets to trade.

My dream mock:

1. Indy - Luck

2. Rams - Kalil or Blackmon

3. Vikings - Blackmon or Kalil

4. Browns - Richardson (after signing Flynn to be QB)

5. Bucs - Claiborne

6. Skins - RGIII

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The guy is a text book classic MLB and I hope he gets the consideration he deserves whenever his name is up for the HOF.

He won't which is sad. I think he is just as good as Urlacher or Lewis but I've been just as puzzled as you as why he generates zero buzz.
If David Elfin is still a voter maybe he'll take up the cause to convince the voters Fletcher belongs, similar to what he did for Monk.

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One note: Grossman is coming back as either a placeholder or 2nd string QB. And despite all I heard on the radio, the Redskins could do a lot worse than Grossman as the backup QB. If Beck is the 3rd string QB, he will be speeddail QB. He won't be on the roster and the Redskins will speed dial Beck if there is an injury. It's not like other teams will be clamoring for Beck to be their 2nd or 3rd string QB.

Agreed. I don't see how Grossman is not going to be on the roster next season. And they were smart enough to cut ties with McNabb so I have to assume they'll be smart enough to cut ties with Beck.

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I hope the Skins aren't interested in Flynn. My dream scenario is the Browns sign Flynn thus taking them out of the RGIII equation. That leaves the Skins and the Dolphins as the only 2 teams really looking for a new QB. The Browns are the only team with better assets to trade.My dream mock:1. Indy - Luck2. Rams - Kalil or Blackmon3. Vikings - Blackmon or Kalil4. Browns - Richardson (after signing Flynn to be QB)5. Bucs - Claiborne6. Skins - RGIII

There is a lot to happen between now and then but to see Blackmon, Claiborne or RGIII fall would be awesome for the Skins.

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I was definately under the impression that in the beginning of the year, the Redskins ran left a lot and after the injuries, they were much more balanced.

Kyle Shanahan noticably changed his playcalling near the end of the year, to better suit the players on the field. I've been a big Kyle basher because of his stubbornness so I think he deserves credit for this. And more importantly, once one of your coordinators has learned to adapt his playcalling to his personnel, it bodes well for the team's future. Gibbs learned it, and kept from getting fired after 0-5. Kyle has learned it now.Haslett, on the other hand, doesn't seem to have learned a thing. He wasn't a good defensive coordinator when they hired him. And after 1 and 1/2 seasons of lousy defensive play out of his 2 full seasons here, we've seen what he can do. It's time for him to go. Mike can hire someone better. I don't see any team being willing to give up 3 #1 choices for Luck or Griffin. I still don't think the Redskins can afford to move up to get Luck but Griffin is worth moving up for, unless he drops right in their lap. I would easily give up this year and next year's #1 picks for him. That's preferable to 2 consecutive years of saying "we're not high enough to get a franchise QB so we should fill other needs." This car needs a driver. I'd hate to see them bet the farm on Flynn. Year after year in the past they'd go after the flashiest offseason names possible. For one game, starting for the best team in football against an abysmal defense, Flynn looked heroic this year. If they can get him cheap, fine, sign him and see how he does. But don't confuse a hint of cleavage with a lifetime of good sex.

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if the skins don't get Flynn or Griffin (would be a huge mistake) I hope Blackmon falls to them. We need a WR upgrade in a MAJOR way.

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Kyle Shanahan and Raheem Morris, 2005

Bucs assistant coach Kyle Shanahan was arrested by Indianapolis police early Sunday morning. Shanahan, 23, was transported to the Arrestee Processing Center. His release was ordered after he appeared in court Sunday and was charged with misdemeanor intoxication.

Shanahan was being "loud, belligerent and causing a scene" after being escorted from the Have a Nice Day Cafe at 2:07 a.m. Sunday, according to a report filed by Indianapolis Police Officer Eric B. Simmons . "I could smell a strong odor of alcoholic beverage on his person, his eyes were glassy and bloodshot and he was unsteady on level ground." Simmons said he told Shanahan several times to quiet down but he persisted and was arrested. Shanahan, the son of Broncos coach Mike Shanahan , is in his second season as the Bucs' offensive quality control coach and is attending the NFL scouting combine. According to police report, Shanahan was escorted out of the bar with assistant defensive backs coach Raheem Morris .

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A lot of the draft discussion is based on current opinions. Obviously that makes sense, since that's all the information we have right now. But, keep in mind that a lot changes between January and April. A guy who looks like a top 5 pick could drop to 20 and a guy who isn't even considered a first-rounder right now could end up in the top 10. The combine, personal workouts, and interviews have yet to happen. For the most part, all current opinions are based on game film and probably talking to references (coaches).

Each year I wonder how teams would draft at the end of the season, vs. how they finally draft, and which would have historically worked out better. I think at least some of them have deluded themselves with the combine, and the surrounding "buzz" which is usually bad information from agents, other teams, and sportswriters.

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I was definately under the impression that in the beginning of the year, the Redskins ran left a lot and after the injuries, they were much more balanced.

Kyle Shanahan noticably changed his playcalling near the end of the year, to better suit the players on the field. I've been a big Kyle basher because of his stubbornness so I think he deserves credit for this. And more importantly, once one of your coordinators has learned to adapt his playcalling to his personnel, it bodes well for the team's future. Gibbs learned it, and kept from getting fired after 0-5. Kyle has learned it now.Haslett, on the other hand, doesn't seem to have learned a thing. He wasn't a good defensive coordinator when they hired him. And after 1 and 1/2 seasons of lousy defensive play out of his 2 full seasons here, we've seen what he can do. It's time for him to go. Mike can hire someone better. I don't see any team being willing to give up 3 #1 choices for Luck or Griffin. I still don't think the Redskins can afford to move up to get Luck but Griffin is worth moving up for, unless he drops right in their lap. I would easily give up this year and next year's #1 picks for him. That's preferable to 2 consecutive years of saying "we're not high enough to get a franchise QB so we should fill other needs." This car needs a driver. I'd hate to see them bet the farm on Flynn. Year after year in the past they'd go after the flashiest offseason names possible. For one game, starting for the best team in football against an abysmal defense, Flynn looked heroic this year. If they can get him cheap, fine, sign him and see how he does. But don't confuse a hint of cleavage with a lifetime of good sex.
It's a real shame that Barkley didn't come out this year. The Skins would be almost assured at getting a Franchise QB at 6. If they are sold on Griffin then I would agree that 2 #1s would be worth it, what I don't want to see is them draft a project QB.If Blackmon or Claibourne drops though I certainly wouldn't be upset if they ended up with either of those guys.

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I'd hate to see them bet the farm on Flynn. Year after year in the past they'd go after the flashiest offseason names possible. For one game, starting for the best team in football against an abysmal defense, Flynn looked heroic this year. If they can get him cheap, fine, sign him and see how he does. But don't confuse a hint of cleavage with a lifetime of good sex.

There was a good amount of buzz around Flynn well before that game. He has been rostered in my dynasty league since before the season because everyone knew he was an impending FA and would get a chance to start somewhere. That one game upped his contract a few mil, but you are fooling yourself if you think it's the only thing that gave him a chance at a starting job. I wonder how you would feel about him if he didn't even play that week? It is almost like some people are using that great game as an excuse to call him a flash in the pan.

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it's not like anyone has a lot of Flynn game tape to base any opinion on. But to me it screams Rob Johnson or something. Super sub parlay into big contract = bust.

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It's a real shame that Barkley didn't come out this year.

I'm beginning to think Barkley and Landry Jones hate the Redskins. :tinfoilhat:

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I wonder how you would feel about him if he didn't even play that week?

I'd feel like I noticed him slightly less, and that he wasn't worth a big contract and being handed the starting QB job.

It is almost like some people are using that great game as an excuse to call him a flash in the pan.

It's almost like some people are mesmerized by one game under ideal conditions and are annointing him. But if flashy things thrill you, you've been a fan of the right team over the years.

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I wonder how you would feel about him if he didn't even play that week?

I'd feel like I noticed him slightly less, and that he wasn't worth a big contract and being handed the starting QB job.

It is almost like some people are using that great game as an excuse to call him a flash in the pan.

It's almost like some people are mesmerized by one game under ideal conditions and are annointing him. But if flashy things thrill you, you've been a fan of the right team over the years.
I'm not sure Flynn is a franchise QB, I do think he is better than Grossman so if they could get him for what he is worth then I wouldn't have a problem with it. Throwing a ton of money at him would be a mistake IMO.If they don't want to trade up for Griffin I would prefer them to sign Flynn than stick with Grossman/Beck

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I wonder how you would feel about him if he didn't even play that week?

I'd feel like I noticed him slightly less, and that he wasn't worth a big contract and being handed the starting QB job.

It is almost like some people are using that great game as an excuse to call him a flash in the pan.

It's almost like some people are mesmerized by one game under ideal conditions and are annointing him. But if flashy things thrill you, you've been a fan of the right team over the years.
That's the thing. It's funny how signing Flynn is all of the sudden flashy when just a week ago it was considered a pretty shrewd move. Don't get me wrong, I'm not all aboard the Flynn hype train or anything. I just want an upgrade at B and I'd take Luck, RG3, or Flynn as that upgrade. I am certainly not discounting Flynn just because he has had a couple good games like you seem to be. A lot of people see him like they saw Schuab when he left ATL. And that was before his record setting game last week. Could he be more like Keivn Kolb? Sure. And Luck could be Leaf. Flynn could also be Brady or Kurt Warner. Not likely, but the spectrum goes both ways. I'll have to trust the Skins scouts on it. It sounds awfully appealing to be able to get a guy with the potential to be a franchise QB and still have our #6 pick to use on another need.

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It's funny how signing Flynn is all of the sudden flashy when just a week ago it was considered a pretty shrewd move.

I think it's all based on the assumptions we're making about his potential contract. Flynn talk has been around for months. Prior to his week 17 performance, I think most people pushing Flynn assumed he could be signed for a reasonable contract. Then, after week 17, the assumption changed to visions of a mega contract and the fear that he won't be worth such a large contract. It went from shrewd to flashy because our view of his future contract skyrocketed.

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It's funny how signing Flynn is all of the sudden flashy when just a week ago it was considered a pretty shrewd move.

I didn't consider it a shrewd move before his big game. Rex Grossman needs to be replaced with someone better before this team can go anywhere. I don't have any reason to believe Flynn would or would not be able to beat out Grossman here. What happened in the last week is that the # of people who think he's already an NFL caliber starter multiplied by a factor of 100 or so.

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It sounds awfully appealing to be able to get a guy with the potential to be a franchise QB and still have our #6 pick to use on another need.

While I don't see that Flynn has the "potential to be a franchise QB", I do agree that it would be nice to get one and still have pick #6 this year. But I don't know any reason Flynn would want to come to Washington with their established tradition of being a below average team with frequent front office turmoil. Other teams will want him, and it'll take a lot of bucks to make him want to come here. Face it, the Redskins are not a desirable location for NFL players any more.

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it's not like anyone has a lot of Flynn game tape to base any opinion on. But to me it screams Rob Johnson or something. Super sub parlay into big contract = bust.

Why would you compare him to Rob Johnson and not a player like Mark Brunnel, Matt Schaub, or Matt Hasselback? Flynn has steadily improved each season in the presason and has performed well in the regular season when called upon. If you want to compare him to previous backups I think he compares very favorable to Matt Hasselback.

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It sounds awfully appealing to be able to get a guy with the potential to be a franchise QB and still have our #6 pick to use on another need.

While I don't see that Flynn has the "potential to be a franchise QB", I do agree that it would be nice to get one and still have pick #6 this year. But I don't know any reason Flynn would want to come to Washington with their established tradition of being a below average team with frequent front office turmoil. Other teams will want him, and it'll take a lot of bucks to make him want to come here. Face it, the Redskins are not a desirable location for NFL players any more.
For a QB like Flynn it could be. The only teams that have a starter spot open at QB is Washington, Cleveland, Indy and Miami. Two of those will get Luck and Griffin, so it looks like it would be either Miami or Washington that would have a spot for a QB to come in and start right away.

Which is also why staying at #6 and taking the BPA and waiting to draft a franchise QB next year (like Barkley) wouldn't be a bad move. But then again I don't expect many people to have the foresight or patience to run with a plan like that.

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Face it, the Redskins are not a desirable location for NFL players any more.

I guess Atogwe, Chester, Bowen, Cofield, Wilson and Rocca lost that memo.

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It sounds awfully appealing to be able to get a guy with the potential to be a franchise QB and still have our #6 pick to use on another need.

While I don't see that Flynn has the "potential to be a franchise QB", I do agree that it would be nice to get one and still have pick #6 this year. But I don't know any reason Flynn would want to come to Washington with their established tradition of being a below average team with frequent front office turmoil. Other teams will want him, and it'll take a lot of bucks to make him want to come here. Face it, the Redskins are not a desirable location for NFL players any more.
You are drastically overestimating the thought process of 24-28 year old players. None of them are going to be about to sign a deal and then say to themselves "I don't know... they didn't really give Jim Zorn or Steve Spurrier a chance..."

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It sounds awfully appealing to be able to get a guy with the potential to be a franchise QB and still have our #6 pick to use on another need.

While I don't see that Flynn has the "potential to be a franchise QB", I do agree that it would be nice to get one and still have pick #6 this year. But I don't know any reason Flynn would want to come to Washington with their established tradition of being a below average team with frequent front office turmoil. Other teams will want him, and it'll take a lot of bucks to make him want to come here. Face it, the Redskins are not a desirable location for NFL players any more.
You are drastically overestimating the thought process of 24-28 year old players. None of them are going to be about to sign a deal and then say to themselves "I don't know... they didn't really give Jim Zorn or Steve Spurrier a chance..."
I think if: a.) the Redskins offer Flynn more money than anyone else and b.) they offer him the chance to start right away, then c.) he would consider their offer as strongly as anyone else. This is one time where Snyder's desire to back up the Brinks truck would make a difference. Washington would actually be a good landing spot for Flynn. Sure, the team has been dysfunctional over the past decade, but over the last year they have committed to getting younger and their offense made some strides late in the year. He would be able to walk in and replace a guy who the team sees as a turnover machine and would be poised to look really good by comparison.

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Face it, the Redskins are not a desirable location for NFL players any more.

I guess Atogwe, Chester, Bowen, Cofield, Wilson and Rocca lost that memo.
Do you really think other NFL players didn't see Rogers and Carter make the Pro Bowl after getting ditched by a team that has gone 8-8, 4-12, 6-10, and 5-11? Players will sign here if the money's right. Right now that's the only attraction the Redskins have left. Nobody's coming here because they want to play for a winner.

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Which is also why staying at #6 and taking the BPA and waiting to draft a franchise QB next year (like Barkley) wouldn't be a bad move.

The problem with this, as we're seeing, is that next year rolls around and their #1 pick isn't high enough in the first round to get that franchise QB. So fans trot out the "wait until next year to draft a franchise QB" carrot once again.

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I think if: a.) the Redskins offer Flynn more money than anyone else and b.) they offer him the chance to start right away, then c.) he would consider their offer as strongly as anyone else. This is one time where Snyder's desire to back up the Brinks truck would make a difference. Washington would actually be a good landing spot for Flynn. Sure, the team has been dysfunctional over the past decade, but over the last year they have committed to getting younger and their offense made some strides late in the year. He would be able to walk in and replace a guy who the team sees as a turnover machine and would be poised to look really good by comparison.

I understand what you're saying and don't completely disagree. But being poised to look really good has no bearing on whether he'd actually play well on a team with a greatly inferior roster than Green Bay's. And quite possibly an inferior coaching staff as well. A couple good performances for a great team don't necessarily translate into a season of good performances for a bad team.

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