*** 2012 Official Philadelphia Eagles Post Mortem Thread *** (1 Viewer)

'Polish Hammer said:

First we lose G-King's inside track, now DH is on the fast train outta here. Sad day.So if your buddy goes are there some great stories you can then reveal to us?

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'Deranged Hermit said:

'Polish Hammer said:

First we lose G-King's inside track, now DH is on the fast train outta here. Sad day.So if your buddy goes are there some great stories you can then reveal to us?

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It's not 100% as he and Reid have a very good relationship. I talked to him last night and he said that he'd stay if 'allowed' (he loves the area and he just bought a new house). He's certain that he'll have a job in Indy if it comes to that (not that anyone has talked to him about it ).Anyway, to answer your question, I have a few stories I could give you. Nothing earth-shattering, but just some draft stuff and some near misses in acquiring players. Most I've probably already told since I'm pretty open about things, but maybe not.

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'Deranged Hermit said:

'Polish Hammer said:

First we lose G-King's inside track, now DH is on the fast train outta here. Sad day.

So if your buddy goes are there some great stories you can then reveal to us?

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It's not 100% as he and Reid have a very good relationship. I talked to him last night and he said that he'd stay if 'allowed' (he loves the area and he just bought a new house). He's certain that he'll have a job in Indy if it comes to that (not that anyone has talked to him about it ).Anyway, to answer your question, I have a few stories I could give you. Nothing earth-shattering, but just some draft stuff and some near misses in acquiring players. Most I've probably already told since I'm pretty open about things, but maybe not.

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'Gold Standard said:

'Deranged Hermit said:

'Polish Hammer said:

First we lose G-King's inside track, now DH is on the fast train outta here. Sad day.So if your buddy goes are there some great stories you can then reveal to us?

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It's not 100% as he and Reid have a very good relationship. I talked to him last night and he said that he'd stay if 'allowed' (he loves the area and he just bought a new house). He's certain that he'll have a job in Indy if it comes to that (not that anyone has talked to him about it ).Anyway, to answer your question, I have a few stories I could give you. Nothing earth-shattering, but just some draft stuff and some near misses in acquiring players. Most I've probably already told since I'm pretty open about things, but maybe not.

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Reid wanted Sproles badly from what I heard. Boy did Darren choose wisely or what.

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'Bigboy10182000 said:

I guess Spags is a no go?

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'Insein said:

G Cobb gave a damning scenario on WIP this morning that is very likely to play out. He says, knowing the Eagles, they will bring Juan back for another season with all the excuses of a short offseason and improvement down the stretch. He didn't think Spags would be coming here in any capacity.

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'Jason Wood said:

Is there really any question that Castillo is staying as DC?By now we would've heard something, no? Otherwise the team is doing itself a disservice by waiting this long, unless the change is coming from within.

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'Insein said:

'Jason Wood said:

Is there really any question that Castillo is staying as DC?By now we would've heard something, no? Otherwise the team is doing itself a disservice by waiting this long, unless the change is coming from within.

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More than likely correct. I feel 2012 is going to be another lost season either way. First way is we let Andy have his year with his boy Juan at DC to prove that 2011 was a fluke. They crash and burn and we get a new regime in 2013. The 2nd way is if Andy musters up enough to get a 10-6 or 11-5 year and win one home playoff game before losing in the divisional round. then we'll have andy for at least another 3 seasons because "he showed he can turn it around." There's really only 2 things to hope for. Eagles have a miraclous run to the title, or they crash and burn leaving lurie with no choice but to clean house of Andy, coaching staff and Vick. Start fresh with a new coach and new ideas.

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'Jason Wood said:

'Insein said:

'Jason Wood said:

Is there really any question that Castillo is staying as DC?

By now we would've heard something, no? Otherwise the team is doing itself a disservice by waiting this long, unless the change is coming from within.

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More than likely correct. I feel 2012 is going to be another lost season either way. First way is we let Andy have his year with his boy Juan at DC to prove that 2011 was a fluke. They crash and burn and we get a new regime in 2013. The 2nd way is if Andy musters up enough to get a 10-6 or 11-5 year and win one home playoff game before losing in the divisional round. then we'll have andy for at least another 3 seasons because "he showed he can turn it around." There's really only 2 things to hope for. Eagles have a miraclous run to the title, or they crash and burn leaving lurie with no choice but to clean house of Andy, coaching staff and Vick. Start fresh with a new coach and new ideas.

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Why would a run at the title be "miraculous?"They're be one of the four or five favorites in the NFC entering the season, even if they stand pat. I'm not saying I have confidence it'll happen (I've been sitting in the stands at home games for far too long to not believe in the worst), but realistically this isn't a team that's not going to be expected to win a lot of games in most scenarios.

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'Amused to Death said:

'Jason Wood said:

'Insein said:

'Jason Wood said:

Is there really any question that Castillo is staying as DC?

By now we would've heard something, no? Otherwise the team is doing itself a disservice by waiting this long, unless the change is coming from within.

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More than likely correct. I feel 2012 is going to be another lost season either way. First way is we let Andy have his year with his boy Juan at DC to prove that 2011 was a fluke. They crash and burn and we get a new regime in 2013. The 2nd way is if Andy musters up enough to get a 10-6 or 11-5 year and win one home playoff game before losing in the divisional round. then we'll have andy for at least another 3 seasons because "he showed he can turn it around." There's really only 2 things to hope for. Eagles have a miraclous run to the title, or they crash and burn leaving lurie with no choice but to clean house of Andy, coaching staff and Vick. Start fresh with a new coach and new ideas.

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Why would a run at the title be "miraculous?"They're be one of the four or five favorites in the NFC entering the season, even if they stand pat. I'm not saying I have confidence it'll happen (I've been sitting in the stands at home games for far too long to not believe in the worst), but realistically this isn't a team that's not going to be expected to win a lot of games in most scenarios.

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If they stand pat, I see the NFC entering 2012 as:SF/GB/NYG/NO as the elite

Phil/Atl/Dal/Det as the next tier

Ari/Sea/Chi not far behind

Best case, they are 5th entering 2012 and that's just the NFC. They are still behind NE/Pit/Balt in the AFC (remember, winning the Super Bowl is the goal) and you can even make an argument for Cin & Hou being ahead. So I'd put them at best 9th in the NFL.

So I agree, "miraculous" is a bit overstating it. But they would not be entering 2012 as an elite odds-on favorite imo. No one would be surprised to see them regress further any more as see them improve. The 4-game win streak to end the season was nice, but NE/GB/NO would have still shredded Juan's defense in those games.

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'Jason Wood said:

'Amused to Death said:

'Jason Wood said:

'Insein said:

'Jason Wood said:

Is there really any question that Castillo is staying as DC?

By now we would've heard something, no? Otherwise the team is doing itself a disservice by waiting this long, unless the change is coming from within.

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More than likely correct. I feel 2012 is going to be another lost season either way. First way is we let Andy have his year with his boy Juan at DC to prove that 2011 was a fluke. They crash and burn and we get a new regime in 2013. The 2nd way is if Andy musters up enough to get a 10-6 or 11-5 year and win one home playoff game before losing in the divisional round. then we'll have andy for at least another 3 seasons because "he showed he can turn it around." There's really only 2 things to hope for. Eagles have a miraclous run to the title, or they crash and burn leaving lurie with no choice but to clean house of Andy, coaching staff and Vick. Start fresh with a new coach and new ideas.

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Why would a run at the title be "miraculous?"They're be one of the four or five favorites in the NFC entering the season, even if they stand pat. I'm not saying I have confidence it'll happen (I've been sitting in the stands at home games for far too long to not believe in the worst), but realistically this isn't a team that's not going to be expected to win a lot of games in most scenarios.

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If they stand pat, I see the NFC entering 2012 as:SF/GB/NYG/NO as the elite

Phil/Atl/Dal/Det as the next tier

Ari/Sea/Chi not far behind

Best case, they are 5th entering 2012 and that's just the NFC. They are still behind NE/Pit/Balt in the AFC (remember, winning the Super Bowl is the goal) and you can even make an argument for Cin & Hou being ahead. So I'd put them at best 9th in the NFL.

So I agree, "miraculous" is a bit overstating it. But they would not be entering 2012 as an elite odds-on favorite imo. No one would be surprised to see them regress further any more as see them improve. The 4-game win streak to end the season was nice, but NE/GB/NO would have still shredded Juan's defense in those games.

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Sure, I agree they won't nor should be a preseason favorite. But that's not what I was taking issue with, I was remarking about the "miraculous" comment. I will never understand how someone can be a fan of a team and feel that lost going into a season. It's one thing if the team had had 1 or 2 wins for years straight, had an ownership that didn't invest in the team, and had a bad lease and dwindling revenue. But this is a team that as a baseline contends for a playoff spot and division, and our collective frustration is in not doing more and actually winning a championship. Being upset that this current incarnation hasn't won the big game is MUCH different than saying it'll be another "lost" season and we would need a miracle to make a title run.We don't have to look very far back to see a litany of NFL teams that weren't the best and had tangible flaws but ended up winning the Super Bowl. It would be miraculous if the Browns or Rams won a title next year. It would be pleasantly surprising if the Eagles did the same.

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'Insein said:

Jason, I appreciate your insight and knowledge on the team but I feel sometimes your vision is a little too green. What have they done in the last 7 years to show you that they have recognized what it takes to get to a super bowl and have taken the necessary steps to do so? Yes they got a lot of high priced talent last year but they left the areas of perrenial weakness (safety and LB) alone. They compounded the problem by throwing a rookie defensive coach into the role of DC and just hoping he would be able to wing it enough to get them to the Super Bowl. Obviously we have the draft and FA to see what the Eagles plan to do but I have very little confidence that they have an effective plan to get to the ultimate goal. Typically a title run has a growth or building towards something. Occasionally a team can go from worst to first and come out of no where. Usually though you see a team build for a few years and get better each year before finally pushing through. That is why I feel that any title run they have would be miraculous since we have seen no "build up" on the eagles for many years now. We have draft picks that occasionally hit. We have a good year, then a bad year. We have the surprise deep playoff run for a 9-6-1 team followed by the dissappointing first round exit of the 11-5 team the next year. Its completely inconsistent.

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'Jason Wood said:

'Insein said:

Jason, I appreciate your insight and knowledge on the team but I feel sometimes your vision is a little too green. What have they done in the last 7 years to show you that they have recognized what it takes to get to a super bowl and have taken the necessary steps to do so? Yes they got a lot of high priced talent last year but they left the areas of perrenial weakness (safety and LB) alone. They compounded the problem by throwing a rookie defensive coach into the role of DC and just hoping he would be able to wing it enough to get them to the Super Bowl. Obviously we have the draft and FA to see what the Eagles plan to do but I have very little confidence that they have an effective plan to get to the ultimate goal. Typically a title run has a growth or building towards something. Occasionally a team can go from worst to first and come out of no where. Usually though you see a team build for a few years and get better each year before finally pushing through. That is why I feel that any title run they have would be miraculous since we have seen no "build up" on the eagles for many years now. We have draft picks that occasionally hit. We have a good year, then a bad year. We have the surprise deep playoff run for a 9-6-1 team followed by the dissappointing first round exit of the 11-5 team the next year. Its completely inconsistent.

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I appreciate that. I just think what you're describing is a far cry from saying a Super Bowl win would be "miraculous." To me that word implies something that's almost inconceivable and generally considered impossible by the vast majority of people. The Eagles will certainly not enter next season that way. I'm not sure many NFL teams' chances should ever be labeled "miraculous" but even if a few deserve that kind of extreme skepticism, Philly wouldn't fit into that short list.Now do I think they will get there? No, probably not. I'm more concerned about Vick than I am Reid frankly, and I'm no fan of Castillo that's for sure.

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'Insein said:

'Jason Wood said:

'Insein said:

Jason, I appreciate your insight and knowledge on the team but I feel sometimes your vision is a little too green. What have they done in the last 7 years to show you that they have recognized what it takes to get to a super bowl and have taken the necessary steps to do so? Yes they got a lot of high priced talent last year but they left the areas of perrenial weakness (safety and LB) alone. They compounded the problem by throwing a rookie defensive coach into the role of DC and just hoping he would be able to wing it enough to get them to the Super Bowl.

Obviously we have the draft and FA to see what the Eagles plan to do but I have very little confidence that they have an effective plan to get to the ultimate goal. Typically a title run has a growth or building towards something. Occasionally a team can go from worst to first and come out of no where. Usually though you see a team build for a few years and get better each year before finally pushing through. That is why I feel that any title run they have would be miraculous since we have seen no "build up" on the eagles for many years now. We have draft picks that occasionally hit. We have a good year, then a bad year. We have the surprise deep playoff run for a 9-6-1 team followed by the dissappointing first round exit of the 11-5 team the next year. Its completely inconsistent.

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I appreciate that. I just think what you're describing is a far cry from saying a Super Bowl win would be "miraculous." To me that word implies something that's almost inconceivable and generally considered impossible by the vast majority of people. The Eagles will certainly not enter next season that way. I'm not sure many NFL teams' chances should ever be labeled "miraculous" but even if a few deserve that kind of extreme skepticism, Philly wouldn't fit into that short list.Now do I think they will get there? No, probably not. I'm more concerned about Vick than I am Reid frankly, and I'm no fan of Castillo that's for sure.

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Perhaps miraculous is just too heavy on the hyperbole then. I'm merely implying that for the Eagles to win the super bowl next year would be a large surprise by the majority of people. I think that it would be highly unlikely that the Eagles would be able to pull that off. While I know the NFL is any given sunday anymore and even a team like the Rams or the Browns technically have a shot to turn it around, I think the consensus would say that teams like that would be a mircale to win. Eagles are stuck in the mediocre realm though. Not good enough to win, not bad enough to get the high draft picks. They don't have the coaching staff or front office to make that push into the upper echelon, in my opinion.

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'Insein said:

Raiders interviewing Mornhinweg.

Maybe they can take him off of our hands.

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'Jason Wood said:

'Insein said:

Raiders interviewing Mornhinweg.

Maybe they can take him off of our hands.

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Why would losing Marty be a good thing?You think the offensive preparation and game-planning is a weak point?

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'Shane Falco said:

'Jason Wood said:

'Insein said:

Raiders interviewing Mornhinweg.

Maybe they can take him off of our hands.

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Why would losing Marty be a good thing?You think the offensive preparation and game-planning is a weak point?

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We lost multiple games in the 2nd half not just because of the defense.Personally I'm ambivalent about Marty. And losing him may actually be bad cause then the fat man will start calling plays again and we all know how that goes

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'Insein said:

'Shane Falco said:

'Jason Wood said:

'Insein said:

Raiders interviewing Mornhinweg.

Maybe they can take him off of our hands.

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Why would losing Marty be a good thing?You think the offensive preparation and game-planning is a weak point?

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We lost multiple games in the 2nd half not just because of the defense.Personally I'm ambivalent about Marty. And losing him may actually be bad cause then the fat man will start calling plays again and we all know how that goes

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Exactly. However this takes away the excuses since we know this is mostly Reid's playcalling anyway. Do or die with it. So bad for this year maybe unless Reid makes better adjustments.

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'Insein said:

'Shane Falco said:

'Jason Wood said:

'Insein said:

Raiders interviewing Mornhinweg.

Maybe they can take him off of our hands.

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Why would losing Marty be a good thing?You think the offensive preparation and game-planning is a weak point?

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We lost multiple games in the 2nd half not just because of the defense.Personally I'm ambivalent about Marty. And losing him may actually be bad cause then the fat man will start calling plays again and we all know how that goes

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Exactly. However this takes away the excuses since we know this is mostly Reid's playcalling anyway. Do or die with it. So bad for this year maybe unless Reid makes better adjustments.

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'Insein said:

Raiders interviewing Mornhinweg.

Maybe they can take him off of our hands.

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'Jason Wood said:

'Insein said:

'Shane Falco said:

'Jason Wood said:

'Insein said:

Raiders interviewing Mornhinweg.

Maybe they can take him off of our hands.

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Why would losing Marty be a good thing?You think the offensive preparation and game-planning is a weak point?

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We lost multiple games in the 2nd half not just because of the defense.Personally I'm ambivalent about Marty. And losing him may actually be bad cause then the fat man will start calling plays again and we all know how that goes

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Exactly. However this takes away the excuses since we know this is mostly Reid's playcalling anyway. Do or die with it. So bad for this year maybe unless Reid makes better adjustments.

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There is soooooooooo much more to an OC's job than calling plays (in fact many OCs or DCs don't even do that). I'm not saying Marty is irreplaceable, but the last thing I want in a "win or blow it up" year is to lose a key assistant (who's an assistant head coach by the way) that we didn't plan for, and then see him poach coaches from our staff to rebuild Indy. Scrambling at that point to fill holes raises the risk factor tremendously.

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'Gold Standard said:

'Jason Wood said:

'Insein said:

'Shane Falco said:

'Jason Wood said:

'Insein said:

Raiders interviewing Mornhinweg.

Maybe they can take him off of our hands.

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Why would losing Marty be a good thing?You think the offensive preparation and game-planning is a weak point?

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We lost multiple games in the 2nd half not just because of the defense.Personally I'm ambivalent about Marty. And losing him may actually be bad cause then the fat man will start calling plays again and we all know how that goes

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Exactly. However this takes away the excuses since we know this is mostly Reid's playcalling anyway. Do or die with it. So bad for this year maybe unless Reid makes better adjustments.

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There is soooooooooo much more to an OC's job than calling plays (in fact many OCs or DCs don't even do that). I'm not saying Marty is irreplaceable, but the last thing I want in a "win or blow it up" year is to lose a key assistant (who's an assistant head coach by the way) that we didn't plan for, and then see him poach coaches from our staff to rebuild Indy. Scrambling at that point to fill holes raises the risk factor tremendously.

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Understood, but to steal a line from Reid, Marty has the right to put himself in a better position to get back to being a head coach. They're 31 other teams constantly adjsuting, continuity among a front office/coaching staff is always a delciate thing. Hell, Grisgson got the GM job in Indy for what in my mind was a subpar job evaulating talent here the past two drafts. I certainly don't want to see Lurie extend anyone's tenure past what it's already set at. As you said this is a win or blow it up year, and I think we all know that this team will be going in for a major overhaul 12 months from now.

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'Amused to Death said:

'Insein said:

Raiders interviewing Mornhinweg.

Maybe they can take him off of our hands.

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Sooooo, the Raiders are interviewing Marty and Mike Tice for their HC vacancy. "Commitment to Excellence" Personally I want to see Marty stay. I want 2012 to truly be win or else. And by win, I mean NFCCG at the least. And even another loss in the Championship Game would be bitter to swallow. Not make the playoffs, not get bumped on the road in Detroit in the divisional round. NFCCG or clean house. No excuses. Eight years is more than enough time to become a serious contender again. I'm even in favor of keeping Castillo. He's Andy's hand pick guy, so let him live or die with that decision. Three DC's in 3 years is not a model of consistency.

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'Amused to Death said:

'Gold Standard said:

'Jason Wood said:

'Insein said:

'Shane Falco said:

'Jason Wood said:

'Insein said:

Raiders interviewing Mornhinweg.

Maybe they can take him off of our hands.

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Why would losing Marty be a good thing?You think the offensive preparation and game-planning is a weak point?

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We lost multiple games in the 2nd half not just because of the defense.Personally I'm ambivalent about Marty. And losing him may actually be bad cause then the fat man will start calling plays again and we all know how that goes

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Exactly. However this takes away the excuses since we know this is mostly Reid's playcalling anyway. Do or die with it. So bad for this year maybe unless Reid makes better adjustments.

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There is soooooooooo much more to an OC's job than calling plays (in fact many OCs or DCs don't even do that). I'm not saying Marty is irreplaceable, but the last thing I want in a "win or blow it up" year is to lose a key assistant (who's an assistant head coach by the way) that we didn't plan for, and then see him poach coaches from our staff to rebuild Indy. Scrambling at that point to fill holes raises the risk factor tremendously.

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Understood, but to steal a line from Reid, Marty has the right to put himself in a better position to get back to being a head coach. They're 31 other teams constantly adjsuting, continuity among a front office/coaching staff is always a delciate thing. Hell, Grisgson got the GM job in Indy for what in my mind was a subpar job evaulating talent here the past two drafts. I certainly don't want to see Lurie extend anyone's tenure past what it's already set at. As you said this is a win or blow it up year, and I think we all know that this team will be going in for a major overhaul 12 months from now.

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What we're hoping for is either a parade or a new era in Philly. Some of us fear them going 10-6 and a first round loss, and Andy's back because they made the playoffs. If they lose their OC and have to bring in a new guy, there's a built in excuse if they get off to a slow start. Pretty easy to envision Laurie addressing the media to announce Reid's new 3-year extension because they finished strong.

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'Insein said:

'Amused to Death said:

'Insein said:

Raiders interviewing Mornhinweg.

Maybe they can take him off of our hands.

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Sooooo, the Raiders are interviewing Marty and Mike Tice for their HC vacancy. "Commitment to Excellence" Personally I want to see Marty stay. I want 2012 to truly be win or else. And by win, I mean NFCCG at the least. And even another loss in the Championship Game would be bitter to swallow. Not make the playoffs, not get bumped on the road in Detroit in the divisional round. NFCCG or clean house. No excuses. Eight years is more than enough time to become a serious contender again. I'm even in favor of keeping Castillo. He's Andy's hand pick guy, so let him live or die with that decision. Three DC's in 3 years is not a model of consistency.

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Well if Marty moves on, maybe we can take a defensive positions coach and make him OC. How bout Caldwell or Zordich? I think they've always said they wanted to try out the offensive side of the ball.

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'Shane Falco said:

'Insein said:

'Amused to Death said:

'Insein said:

Raiders interviewing Mornhinweg.

Maybe they can take him off of our hands.

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Sooooo, the Raiders are interviewing Marty and Mike Tice for their HC vacancy. "Commitment to Excellence" Personally I want to see Marty stay. I want 2012 to truly be win or else. And by win, I mean NFCCG at the least. And even another loss in the Championship Game would be bitter to swallow. Not make the playoffs, not get bumped on the road in Detroit in the divisional round. NFCCG or clean house. No excuses. Eight years is more than enough time to become a serious contender again. I'm even in favor of keeping Castillo. He's Andy's hand pick guy, so let him live or die with that decision. Three DC's in 3 years is not a model of consistency.

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Well if Marty moves on, maybe we can take a defensive positions coach and make him OC. How bout Caldwell or Zordich? I think they've always said they wanted to try out the offensive side of the ball.

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Now you're just being silly. Those guys never even played offense, not even in high school

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'Jason Wood said:

'Insein said:

Raiders interviewing Mornhinweg.

Maybe they can take him off of our hands.

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Why would losing Marty be a good thing?You think the offensive preparation and game-planning is a weak point?

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'Skeletore Eh said:

'Jason Wood said:

'Insein said:

Raiders interviewing Mornhinweg.

Maybe they can take him off of our hands.

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Why would losing Marty be a good thing?You think the offensive preparation and game-planning is a weak point?

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It wouldn't be a good thing because Andy would be in complete control of the offense and we all know what that means. Having said that the two minute drill, which the eagles haven't been able to get a grasp on in say the last ten years, would fall into the category of offensive preparation. Yes I realize Marty isn't responsible for all those years, but he also hasn't been able to get it fixed. . And also the boneheaded approach the eagles frequently have of throwing the ball against teams that cant stop the run would fall into this category. So while it may not be a weak point, there is much room for improvement in that area. Let's not get carried away with Marty here. It's not like he's this great offensive mind that can't be replaced. He's essentially an extension of Reid.

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'Jason Wood said:

'Skeletore Eh said:

'Jason Wood said:

'Insein said:

Raiders interviewing Mornhinweg.

Maybe they can take him off of our hands.

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Why would losing Marty be a good thing?You think the offensive preparation and game-planning is a weak point?

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It wouldn't be a good thing because Andy would be in complete control of the offense and we all know what that means. Having said that the two minute drill, which the eagles haven't been able to get a grasp on in say the last ten years, would fall into the category of offensive preparation. Yes I realize Marty isn't responsible for all those years, but he also hasn't been able to get it fixed. . And also the boneheaded approach the eagles frequently have of throwing the ball against teams that cant stop the run would fall into this category. So while it may not be a weak point, there is much room for improvement in that area. Let's not get carried away with Marty here. It's not like he's this great offensive mind that can't be replaced. He's essentially an extension of Reid.

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In the six years Marty has been with Philly, our team has:Ranked on average 5.7 out of 32 in offensive yards (including back-to-back top 5 seasons the last two years)

Ranked on average 7.5 out of 32 in offensive points scored (including five top 8 seasons -- with one outlier where we ranked 17th)

Hard to replace that kind of productivity on the fly

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'Shane Falco said:

'Jason Wood said:

'Skeletore Eh said:

'Jason Wood said:

'Insein said:

Raiders interviewing Mornhinweg.

Maybe they can take him off of our hands.

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Why would losing Marty be a good thing?You think the offensive preparation and game-planning is a weak point?

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It wouldn't be a good thing because Andy would be in complete control of the offense and we all know what that means. Having said that the two minute drill, which the eagles haven't been able to get a grasp on in say the last ten years, would fall into the category of offensive preparation. Yes I realize Marty isn't responsible for all those years, but he also hasn't been able to get it fixed. . And also the boneheaded approach the eagles frequently have of throwing the ball against teams that cant stop the run would fall into this category. So while it may not be a weak point, there is much room for improvement in that area. Let's not get carried away with Marty here. It's not like he's this great offensive mind that can't be replaced. He's essentially an extension of Reid.

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In the six years Marty has been with Philly, our team has:Ranked on average 5.7 out of 32 in offensive yards (including back-to-back top 5 seasons the last two years)

Ranked on average 7.5 out of 32 in offensive points scored (including five top 8 seasons -- with one outlier where we ranked 17th)

Hard to replace that kind of productivity on the fly

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I think you are over-estimating Marty's role in the offense or we are under-estimating it. It is still Andy's offense, Marty is the current caretaker. And how long now has Marty been calling plays? 2 or 3 of those years?"Hard to replace that kind of productivity on the fly " Was the same thing said when Childress left? I'll answer, probably yes.

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'Amused to Death said:

'Shane Falco said:

'Jason Wood said:

'Skeletore Eh said:

'Jason Wood said:

'Insein said:

Raiders interviewing Mornhinweg.

Maybe they can take him off of our hands.

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Why would losing Marty be a good thing?You think the offensive preparation and game-planning is a weak point?

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It wouldn't be a good thing because Andy would be in complete control of the offense and we all know what that means. Having said that the two minute drill, which the eagles haven't been able to get a grasp on in say the last ten years, would fall into the category of offensive preparation. Yes I realize Marty isn't responsible for all those years, but he also hasn't been able to get it fixed. . And also the boneheaded approach the eagles frequently have of throwing the ball against teams that cant stop the run would fall into this category. So while it may not be a weak point, there is much room for improvement in that area. Let's not get carried away with Marty here. It's not like he's this great offensive mind that can't be replaced. He's essentially an extension of Reid.

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In the six years Marty has been with Philly, our team has:Ranked on average 5.7 out of 32 in offensive yards (including back-to-back top 5 seasons the last two years)

Ranked on average 7.5 out of 32 in offensive points scored (including five top 8 seasons -- with one outlier where we ranked 17th)

Hard to replace that kind of productivity on the fly

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I think you are over-estimating Marty's role in the offense or we are under-estimating it. It is still Andy's offense, Marty is the current caretaker. And how long now has Marty been calling plays? 2 or 3 of those years?"Hard to replace that kind of productivity on the fly " Was the same thing said when Childress left? I'll answer, probably yes.

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Looking back over Andy's tenure and his OC's shows there hasn't been a drop-off from one to another. Rod Dowhower was the OC from '99 to '01. They won 11 games in both 2000 & 2001. Brad Childress took over in '02 and they won 12 games. Marty took over in '06 and they won 10.There hasn't been any real drop off going from Dowhower to Childress to Marty. And they've had the least success under Marty.

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'Skeletore Eh said:

'Amused to Death said:

'Shane Falco said:

'Jason Wood said:

'Skeletore Eh said:

'Jason Wood said:

'Insein said:

Raiders interviewing Mornhinweg.

Maybe they can take him off of our hands.

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Why would losing Marty be a good thing?You think the offensive preparation and game-planning is a weak point?

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It wouldn't be a good thing because Andy would be in complete control of the offense and we all know what that means. Having said that the two minute drill, which the eagles haven't been able to get a grasp on in say the last ten years, would fall into the category of offensive preparation. Yes I realize Marty isn't responsible for all those years, but he also hasn't been able to get it fixed. . And also the boneheaded approach the eagles frequently have of throwing the ball against teams that cant stop the run would fall into this category. So while it may not be a weak point, there is much room for improvement in that area. Let's not get carried away with Marty here. It's not like he's this great offensive mind that can't be replaced. He's essentially an extension of Reid.

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In the six years Marty has been with Philly, our team has:Ranked on average 5.7 out of 32 in offensive yards (including back-to-back top 5 seasons the last two years)

Ranked on average 7.5 out of 32 in offensive points scored (including five top 8 seasons -- with one outlier where we ranked 17th)

Hard to replace that kind of productivity on the fly

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I think you are over-estimating Marty's role in the offense or we are under-estimating it. It is still Andy's offense, Marty is the current caretaker. And how long now has Marty been calling plays? 2 or 3 of those years?"Hard to replace that kind of productivity on the fly " Was the same thing said when Childress left? I'll answer, probably yes.

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Looking back over Andy's tenure and his OC's shows there hasn't been a drop-off from one to another. Rod Dowhower was the OC from '99 to '01. They won 11 games in both 2000 & 2001. Brad Childress took over in '02 and they won 12 games. Marty took over in '06 and they won 10.There hasn't been any real drop off going from Dowhower to Childress to Marty. And they've had the least success under Marty.

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Yeah this is a silly argument wood. You can try and cut the numbers any way you like. It's like with ground meat, 90% lean meat sounds so much better than 10% fat. Bottom line, it's been the same offense with or without Marty. Unbalanced, incapable of adjustments, and no two minute drill. Is Marty really calling the plays? Is Andy calling the plays? Doesn't really make a difference, it's the same offense.

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'Jason Wood said:

'Skeletore Eh said:

'Amused to Death said:

'Shane Falco said:

'Jason Wood said:

'Skeletore Eh said:

'Jason Wood said:

'Insein said:

Raiders interviewing Mornhinweg.

Maybe they can take him off of our hands.

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Why would losing Marty be a good thing?You think the offensive preparation and game-planning is a weak point?

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It wouldn't be a good thing because Andy would be in complete control of the offense and we all know what that means. Having said that the two minute drill, which the eagles haven't been able to get a grasp on in say the last ten years, would fall into the category of offensive preparation. Yes I realize Marty isn't responsible for all those years, but he also hasn't been able to get it fixed. . And also the boneheaded approach the eagles frequently have of throwing the ball against teams that cant stop the run would fall into this category. So while it may not be a weak point, there is much room for improvement in that area. Let's not get carried away with Marty here. It's not like he's this great offensive mind that can't be replaced. He's essentially an extension of Reid.

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In the six years Marty has been with Philly, our team has:Ranked on average 5.7 out of 32 in offensive yards (including back-to-back top 5 seasons the last two years)

Ranked on average 7.5 out of 32 in offensive points scored (including five top 8 seasons -- with one outlier where we ranked 17th)

Hard to replace that kind of productivity on the fly

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I think you are over-estimating Marty's role in the offense or we are under-estimating it. It is still Andy's offense, Marty is the current caretaker. And how long now has Marty been calling plays? 2 or 3 of those years?"Hard to replace that kind of productivity on the fly " Was the same thing said when Childress left? I'll answer, probably yes.

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Looking back over Andy's tenure and his OC's shows there hasn't been a drop-off from one to another. Rod Dowhower was the OC from '99 to '01. They won 11 games in both 2000 & 2001. Brad Childress took over in '02 and they won 12 games. Marty took over in '06 and they won 10.There hasn't been any real drop off going from Dowhower to Childress to Marty. And they've had the least success under Marty.

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Yeah this is a silly argument wood. You can try and cut the numbers any way you like. It's like with ground meat, 90% lean meat sounds so much better than 10% fat. Bottom line, it's been the same offense with or without Marty. Unbalanced, incapable of adjustments, and no two minute drill. Is Marty really calling the plays? Is Andy calling the plays? Doesn't really make a difference, it's the same offense.

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What I'm saying is that all things being equal, I never want to see one of my team's most trusted senior coaches leave unexpectedly. Do I think we could get by without Marty? Sure, of course. But I would prefer not to have to shuffled everyone else on staff around, as I presume Andy would promote from within. I assume David Culley would be the guy, or I guess Doug Pederson.

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'Awful Waffle said:

Here's to hoping with a full offseason, Castillo can improve. The team did start to turn it around towards the end of the season, but I have no idea if that was because of Castillo or because they were finally able to gel together as a unit.

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'Amused to Death said:

'Shane Falco said:

'Jason Wood said:

'Skeletore Eh said:

'Jason Wood said:

'Insein said:

Raiders interviewing Mornhinweg.

Maybe they can take him off of our hands.

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Why would losing Marty be a good thing?You think the offensive preparation and game-planning is a weak point?

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It wouldn't be a good thing because Andy would be in complete control of the offense and we all know what that means. Having said that the two minute drill, which the eagles haven't been able to get a grasp on in say the last ten years, would fall into the category of offensive preparation. Yes I realize Marty isn't responsible for all those years, but he also hasn't been able to get it fixed. . And also the boneheaded approach the eagles frequently have of throwing the ball against teams that cant stop the run would fall into this category. So while it may not be a weak point, there is much room for improvement in that area. Let's not get carried away with Marty here. It's not like he's this great offensive mind that can't be replaced. He's essentially an extension of Reid.

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In the six years Marty has been with Philly, our team has:Ranked on average 5.7 out of 32 in offensive yards (including back-to-back top 5 seasons the last two years)

Ranked on average 7.5 out of 32 in offensive points scored (including five top 8 seasons -- with one outlier where we ranked 17th)

Hard to replace that kind of productivity on the fly

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I think you are over-estimating Marty's role in the offense or we are under-estimating it. It is still Andy's offense, Marty is the current caretaker. And how long now has Marty been calling plays? 2 or 3 of those years?"Hard to replace that kind of productivity on the fly " Was the same thing said when Childress left? I'll answer, probably yes.

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Looking back over Andy's tenure and his OC's shows there hasn't been a drop-off from one to another. Rod Dowhower was the OC from '99 to '01. They won 11 games in both 2000 & 2001. Brad Childress took over in '02 and they won 12 games. Marty took over in '06 and they won 10.There hasn't been any real drop off going from Dowhower to Childress to Marty. And they've had the least success under Marty.

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'jackdubl said:

Nolan and Spags hired. I thought the Eagles were looking for a D-Coordinator. Am I wrong?

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'jackdubl said:

Nolan and Spags hired. I thought the Eagles were looking for a D-Coordinator. Am I wrong?

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'Jason Wood said:

'jackdubl said:

Nolan and Spags hired. I thought the Eagles were looking for a D-Coordinator. Am I wrong?

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FANS were looking for a new DC, Andy apparently was not.

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'Amused to Death said:

'Insein said:

Raiders interviewing Mornhinweg.

Maybe they can take him off of our hands.

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Sooooo, the Raiders are interviewing Marty and Mike Tice for their HC vacancy. "Commitment to Excellence" Personally I want to see Marty stay. I want 2012 to truly be win or else. And by win, I mean NFCCG at the least. And even another loss in the Championship Game would be bitter to swallow. Not make the playoffs, not get bumped on the road in Detroit in the divisional round. NFCCG or clean house. No excuses. Eight years is more than enough time to become a serious contender again. I'm even in favor of keeping Castillo. He's Andy's hand pick guy, so let him live or die with that decision. Three DC's in 3 years is not a model of consistency.

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'Jason Wood said:

'jackdubl said:

Nolan and Spags hired. I thought the Eagles were looking for a D-Coordinator. Am I wrong?

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FANS were looking for a new DC, Andy apparently was not.

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