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To expand upon my previous post, I think an interesting stat would be one based upon the specific draft spot of the RB. For example, a RB drafted #1 overall would be worth 32, 2nd 31, etc. all the way down to 32, which would be worth 1 point.

My hypothesis would be that a trendline with these numbers would show more of a decrease than would something based on the mean # of 1st rounders that doesn't take into account where in the 1st the RB was drafted.

Edit to add:

While your numbers show 2005=2009=2010 because they all had 3 1st round RBs, using the above formula:

2005= 88 "value points"

2010= 47 "value points"

2009= 28 "value points"

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We have continually seen top RBs fall bellow their true landing spot if you gaged them simply on talent.

I disagree with this. In 2010 both Spiller and Matthews went higher than projected, with San Diego moving up a long ways to get their hands on Matthews as early as they did. In 2009 we saw teams reach for mediocre talents like Knowshon Moreno and Donald Brown earlier than they were graded out on talent.The RBs fell in 2011, sure, but that has happened plenty of times before in a weak class and isn't necessarily indicative of any trend.I think the whole idea that NFL execs see RBs as fodder that can just be filled with anyone is a complete fallacy. It sounds sexy on message boards and from analysts but I haven't seen any indication that the majority of actual NFL GMs feel this way. Some do, certainly, but not most. RBs continue to be drafted in the first round and get huge paydays when they're free agents.
Agreed. People are over-reacting to a one year "trend". Teams do still value RBs no matter how many times it's stated on a message board they no longer do. If we want to look all the way back to 2010, 3 RBs went in Round 1 (including 1 in the Top 10 and also the aforementioned trade up to 12 by SD). In 2009, 3 RBs also went in the first round and in 2008, 4 RBs went in round 1 (including 1 in the Top 4). We're not talking ancient history here. If a team thinks Richardson is a top 10 talent, he'll go in the top 10. Last year was a weak RB class and if Ingram wasn't rumored to have knee issue he may have gone higher in the draft.
This isn't a one year trend.
While your in depth and complicated rebuttal is difficult to contend with (just messing with ya, no hostility here), again I disagree.RBs drafted in the 1st round the last 15 years:1996: 31997: 21998: 41999: 22000: 52001: 32002: 22003: 22004: 32005: 32006: 42007: 22008: 52009: 32010: 32011: 12008-2010 actually saw the most 1st round RBs drafted over any stretch in the last 20 years. The mean number of RBs drafted in the 1st round over that span is 2.9. That number has been eclipsed in 6 out of the last 8 years including 3 out of the last 4.So what is it exactly about 2008-2010 that contributed to this "more than 1 year trend" of GMs not caring about running backs? Sure, it's not like it was in the 70's through early 90's, but it's not really been noticeably different since the early 2000's. Even if you look strictly at top 10 picks, outside of the outlier in 2004 the last few years have been right on par with everything in the last 10-15 years.It's not like running backs don't continue to sign huge contracts either. The idea that most GMs don't care about the running back position is completely fabricated and only holds any weight because people have repeated it enough times on the internet (with no backing) that it's become engrained in people's head.
Good research and you make a strong point. I will say though that while overall numbers in the 1st round definitely prove your point, I think the specific draft pick also is a big factor.Without doing any research and going off of memory, it seems to me that in the last few years we have seen way fewer RBs going high in the 1st round. It wasn't that long ago that Ronnie Brown, Cedric Benson and Cadillac Williams all went in the top 5 of the same draft. Can you ever imagine a scenario like that playing out again any time soon with 3 of the top 5 picks being RBs?So I would personally argue that teams still regularly take RBs in the late part of the 1st round (Beanie Wells, Donald Brown, Mark Ingram, etc.) but it is much rarer in the last few years for teams to use those premium top 5 picks on RBs. Thus, it would make sense for an elite guy like Richardson to fall further in the 2012 draft than he would if the draft was taking place in 2005....
Other than 2011, in the last four years at least one RB went in the top 12 (which is still "early" in the round.2010 - Spiller @ 1.9; Matthews @ 1.12 (traded up to get him);2009 - Moreno @ 1.122008 - McFadden @ 1.04; Stewart @ 1.13 (3 other RBs late in round 1)Outside of QB and OT, it's probably safe to say it's rare for any position to go in the top 5, but it will still happen if a team feels the palyer warrants it.

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We have continually seen top RBs fall bellow their true landing spot if you gaged them simply on talent.

I disagree with this. In 2010 both Spiller and Matthews went higher than projected, with San Diego moving up a long ways to get their hands on Matthews as early as they did. In 2009 we saw teams reach for mediocre talents like Knowshon Moreno and Donald Brown earlier than they were graded out on talent.The RBs fell in 2011, sure, but that has happened plenty of times before in a weak class and isn't necessarily indicative of any trend.I think the whole idea that NFL execs see RBs as fodder that can just be filled with anyone is a complete fallacy. It sounds sexy on message boards and from analysts but I haven't seen any indication that the majority of actual NFL GMs feel this way. Some do, certainly, but not most. RBs continue to be drafted in the first round and get huge paydays when they're free agents.
Agreed. People are over-reacting to a one year "trend". Teams do still value RBs no matter how many times it's stated on a message board they no longer do. If we want to look all the way back to 2010, 3 RBs went in Round 1 (including 1 in the Top 10 and also the aforementioned trade up to 12 by SD). In 2009, 3 RBs also went in the first round and in 2008, 4 RBs went in round 1 (including 1 in the Top 4). We're not talking ancient history here. If a team thinks Richardson is a top 10 talent, he'll go in the top 10. Last year was a weak RB class and if Ingram wasn't rumored to have knee issue he may have gone higher in the draft.
This isn't a one year trend.
While your in depth and complicated rebuttal is difficult to contend with (just messing with ya, no hostility here), again I disagree.RBs drafted in the 1st round the last 15 years:1996: 31997: 21998: 41999: 22000: 52001: 32002: 22003: 22004: 32005: 32006: 42007: 22008: 52009: 32010: 32011: 12008-2010 actually saw the most 1st round RBs drafted over any stretch in the last 20 years. The mean number of RBs drafted in the 1st round over that span is 2.9. That number has been eclipsed in 6 out of the last 8 years including 3 out of the last 4.So what is it exactly about 2008-2010 that contributed to this "more than 1 year trend" of GMs not caring about running backs? Sure, it's not like it was in the 70's through early 90's, but it's not really been noticeably different since the early 2000's. Even if you look strictly at top 10 picks, outside of the outlier in 2004 the last few years have been right on par with everything in the last 10-15 years.It's not like running backs don't continue to sign huge contracts either. The idea that most GMs don't care about the running back position is completely fabricated and only holds any weight because people have repeated it enough times on the internet (with no backing) that it's become engrained in people's head.
Good research and you make a strong point. I will say though that while overall numbers in the 1st round definitely prove your point, I think the specific draft pick also is a big factor.Without doing any research and going off of memory, it seems to me that in the last few years we have seen way fewer RBs going high in the 1st round. It wasn't that long ago that Ronnie Brown, Cedric Benson and Cadillac Williams all went in the top 5 of the same draft. Can you ever imagine a scenario like that playing out again any time soon with 3 of the top 5 picks being RBs?So I would personally argue that teams still regularly take RBs in the late part of the 1st round (Beanie Wells, Donald Brown, Mark Ingram, etc.) but it is much rarer in the last few years for teams to use those premium top 5 picks on RBs. Thus, it would make sense for an elite guy like Richardson to fall further in the 2012 draft than he would if the draft was taking place in 2005....
Other than 2011, in the last four years at least one RB went in the top 12 (which is still "early" in the round.2010 - Spiller @ 1.9; Matthews @ 1.12 (traded up to get him);2009 - Moreno @ 1.122008 - McFadden @ 1.04; Stewart @ 1.13 (3 other RBs late in round 1)Outside of QB and OT, it's probably safe to say it's rare for any position to go in the top 5, but it will still happen if a team feels the palyer warrants it.
I would still personally argue that it is less likely that a RB goes high in the draft now than it was 5-10 years ago. While I do think the diminution of value is probably overstated a bit (as your examples show), I do think that the league has shifted to more of a pass dominated focus. Thus, teams are less likely than they once were to draft a RB high. A few examples of guys going pretty early doesn't really disprove that notion.I think that's especially true of those top 5 picks (which is very relevant to this discussion of where Richardson will be drafted). The only RB of recent vintage to go top 5 was DMC and he was drafted by Al Davis. I would argue that he may be one of the very, very few GM/Owners who still had the mindset that a RB had that sort of value in today's NFL.But Trent Richardson will be a great test case for this theory. I personally think there's about a 25% chance he goes top 10, 50% chance he goes 11-16 and a 25% chance he falls to the Bengals at 17, which I think is his floor.

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I would still personally argue that it is less likely that a RB goes high in the draft now than it was 5-10 years ago. While I do think the diminution of value is probably overstated a bit (as your examples show), I do think that the league has shifted to more of a pass dominated focus. Thus, teams are less likely than they once were to draft a RB high. A few examples of guys going pretty early doesn't really disprove that notion.I think that's especially true of those top 5 picks (which is very relevant to this discussion of where Richardson will be drafted). The only RB of recent vintage to go top 5 was DMC and he was drafted by Al Davis. I would argue that he may be one of the very, very few GM/Owners who still had the mindset that a RB had that sort of value in today's NFL.But Trent Richardson will be a great test case for this theory. I personally think there's about a 25% chance he goes top 10, 50% chance he goes 11-16 and a 25% chance he falls to the Bengals at 17, which I think is his floor.

As I mentioned in my original post, even if you only look at early round 1 draft picks the last few years are still right on par with everything of the last 15 years or so.As mentioned, the 2005 draft was a very large outlier compared to not only years after it, but also years before it.In 2004 the 1st running back drafted was Steven Jackson at #24. In 2003 the first running back drafted was Willis Mcgahee at #23. in 2002 the first running back drafted was William Green at #16.

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Thus, teams are less likely than they once were to draft a RB high. A few examples of guys going pretty early doesn't really disprove that notion.

So concrete examples that show otherwise don't disporve an unsupported premise/threory? :shrug:

I'm not saying Richardson will defintaely be a top 5 pick or even a top 10, just that he will provided some team thinks he's a top 10 talent. Just because there's a "shift" towards the passing game it doesn't mean RBs have been as discounted as some will lead you to beleive.

If there was a stud run stopping DT or MLB available, would he fall in the draft as well since he'd be useless?

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As mentioned, the 2005 draft was a very large outlier compared to not only years after it, but also years before it.

Yep, if some one's point is that we'll never see 3 RBs go in the top five again, I'd say they are very likely to be right - but to say we will never see a RB go in the Top 5 or Top 10 again is not really a reality based assumption - its taking an often talked about premise (it's now a passing league) and taking it to the extreme.People seem to be ignoring the fact the 2 of the final 4 teams this season were run based offenses with "weak" passing games - so if it's indeed a "copy cat" league, things can start to shift back that way pretty quickly.

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Thus, teams are less likely than they once were to draft a RB high. A few examples of guys going pretty early doesn't really disprove that notion.

So concrete examples that show otherwise don't disporve an unsupported premise/threory? :shrug:

I'm not saying Richardson will defintaely be a top 5 pick or even a top 10, just that he will provided some team thinks he's a top 10 talent. Just because there's a "shift" towards the passing game it doesn't mean RBs have been as discounted as some will lead you to beleive.

If there was a stud run stopping DT or MLB available, would he fall in the draft as well since he'd be useless?

The notion that the RB positoin has become devalued is new and thus looking back in the draft's history is largely irrelivant IMO. The NFL has been changing more and more to a passing league. Only 1 team in the NFL ran the ball more in the 1st half than they passed it last year. Only 4 ran more for the season, Den, SF, Hou and Jack. That was Den, who didn't have a choice or they too probably would have passed more. I think this trend started last year and will continue this year until something changes. I'm not agruing that it happened 2 years ago or prior. I think it will happen this year. The good thing for Richardson is that it only takes 1 team to fall in love with him in the top 10 and they will take him. He is a top 10 player. The odds should be on his side. If Richardson does fall out of the top 10 this year will you then acknowledge that there is a trend developing?

Here is the trend I see, the NFL as a whole has seen it's team average for pass attempts increase steadily the past several years while it's team average for rushign attempts has steadily decreased. Here are the numbers;

year/pass attempts/rushing attempts

2011/544.1/436.6

2010/539.7./435

2009/532.3/440.3

2008/516.4/441.2

2007/532.7/437.1

2006/512.2/451.5

2005/514.5/449.2

2004/511.1/450.9

2003/515.4/453.4

2002/540.4/440.7

The past 5 years we have seen the average pass attempts over 530 in 4 of the 5 seasons. The previous 5 years, only 1 of 5 season and that season was a large anommoly seeing that every other season was 515 or less. In the last 5 seasons we have seen the rushing attempts average at 450 or above 0 times. In the previous 5 seasons it was 450 or greater 3 of 5 times with another season nipping at the number at 449.

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If that's the same Speilman that was the GM for the Dolphins when Dave Wannstadt was the HC, not only is he ######ed, but he's right off the bat the worst GM in the league. Don't front.

Spielman gets a lot of flack for trading Miami second round pick for AJ Feeley. Yet, Bill Parcell wasted a higher 2nd round pick on Pat White and no one is calling him the worst GM in the league. Everyone seems to forget that Mike Tannenbaum also wasted a 2nd round draft pick on Kellen Clemons. Spielman made a some mistakes. You live and you learn.
Yeah, Parcells makes mistakes, he also makes $$$ calls. Speilman is a complete dip####. I can't believe you are serious here.
Is it just me or does this guy post angry 99% of the time? Like really upset.

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Ruh-roh....

Bengals considering RB-by-committee

I know I mentioned earlier that Cincy was projected in a lot of mocks to get Trent... Mis-informed from the various mocks I've looked at that get updated constantly...

But for us holding that 1.1 in our rookie drafts, hearing that the best landing spot for Trent could be moving towards a RBBC isn't all that great :s

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Ruh-roh....

Bengals considering RB-by-committee

I know I mentioned earlier that Cincy was projected in a lot of mocks to get Trent... Mis-informed from the various mocks I've looked at that get updated constantly...

But for us holding that 1.1 in our rookie drafts, hearing that the best landing spot for Trent could be moving towards a RBBC isn't all that great :s

I guess I'm not seeing the cause for concern that you are. That blurb references that the Bengals are considering RBBC that likely won't include Benson, but that the best case scenario would be for the Bengals to land someone such as Richardson or Michael Bush to take the bulk of the carries. There's nobody in Cincy that would justify taking any more than a handful of carries from Richardson, if he ends up there.

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As mentioned, the 2005 draft was a very large outlier compared to not only years after it, but also years before it.

Yep, if some one's point is that we'll never see 3 RBs go in the top five again, I'd say they are very likely to be right - but to say we will never see a RB go in the Top 5 or Top 10 again is not really a reality based assumption - its taking an often talked about premise (it's now a passing league) and taking it to the extreme.People seem to be ignoring the fact the 2 of the final 4 teams this season were run based offenses with "weak" passing games - so if it's indeed a "copy cat" league, things can start to shift back that way pretty quickly.
I think it was more the out of control contracts at the top of round 1 than anything else. Are you really going to drop ~$75MM on an RB that lasts 4-7 years or a QB/OT that might be a cornerstone for a decade or more? Now that the wages are "controlled", I think you'll see a better chance that RBs crack back into the top 5 more regularly.

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Thus, teams are less likely than they once were to draft a RB high. A few examples of guys going pretty early doesn't really disprove that notion.

So concrete examples that show otherwise don't disporve an unsupported premise/threory? :shrug:

I'm not saying Richardson will defintaely be a top 5 pick or even a top 10, just that he will provided some team thinks he's a top 10 talent. Just because there's a "shift" towards the passing game it doesn't mean RBs have been as discounted as some will lead you to beleive.

If there was a stud run stopping DT or MLB available, would he fall in the draft as well since he'd be useless?

The notion that the RB positoin has become devalued is new and thus looking back in the draft's history is largely irrelivant IMO. The NFL has been changing more and more to a passing league. Only 1 team in the NFL ran the ball more in the 1st half than they passed it last year. Only 4 ran more for the season, Den, SF, Hou and Jack. That was Den, who didn't have a choice or they too probably would have passed more. I think this trend started last year and will continue this year until something changes. I'm not agruing that it happened 2 years ago or prior. I think it will happen this year. The good thing for Richardson is that it only takes 1 team to fall in love with him in the top 10 and they will take him. He is a top 10 player. The odds should be on his side. If Richardson does fall out of the top 10 this year will you then acknowledge that there is a trend developing?

Here is the trend I see, the NFL as a whole has seen it's team average for pass attempts increase steadily the past several years while it's team average for rushign attempts has steadily decreased. Here are the numbers;

year/pass attempts/rushing attempts

2011/544.1/436.6

2010/539.7./435

2009/532.3/440.3

2008/516.4/441.2

2007/532.7/437.1

2006/512.2/451.5

2005/514.5/449.2

2004/511.1/450.9

2003/515.4/453.4

2002/540.4/440.7

The past 5 years we have seen the average pass attempts over 530 in 4 of the 5 seasons. The previous 5 years, only 1 of 5 season and that season was a large anommoly seeing that every other season was 515 or less. In the last 5 seasons we have seen the rushing attempts average at 450 or above 0 times. In the previous 5 seasons it was 450 or greater 3 of 5 times with another season nipping at the number at 449.

I think we are confusing two seperate issues. I don't disagree that there has been a shift to teams passing more than in the past (although even the numbers you laid out show that it isn't as dramatic as people think). Where I do disagree is that that trend automatically leads to a "trend" where RBs become devalued by NFL teams to the point where an elite talent will drop in the draft for no other reason.

Like I said earlier, it wouldn't shock me if Richardson does fall out of the Top 10 (especially in light of his recent knee issue), but it also wouldn't cause me to think that no RB will go in the Top 10 next season necessarily either.

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If that's the same Speilman that was the GM for the Dolphins when Dave Wannstadt was the HC, not only is he ######ed, but he's right off the bat the worst GM in the league. Don't front.

Spielman gets a lot of flack for trading Miami second round pick for AJ Feeley. Yet, Bill Parcell wasted a higher 2nd round pick on Pat White and no one is calling him the worst GM in the league. Everyone seems to forget that Mike Tannenbaum also wasted a 2nd round draft pick on Kellen Clemons. Spielman made a some mistakes. You live and you learn.
Yeah, Parcells makes mistakes, he also makes $$$ calls. Speilman is a complete dip####. I can't believe you are serious here.
Is it just me or does this guy post angry 99% of the time? Like really upset.
It seems that way to me.

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I don't like Cincy that much, they have a cheap owner who it doesn't appear is trying to be great. I'd rather Trent end up in a place like Dallas, Giants, Jets, New England,etc;

Trent has the skills to take over the position on just about any team. Cincy is one of the few bad spots I think.

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I don't like Cincy that much, they have a cheap owner who it doesn't appear is trying to be great. I'd rather Trent end up in a place like Dallas, Giants, Jets, New England,etc;Trent has the skills to take over the position on just about any team. Cincy is one of the few bad spots I think.

Why are you so angry over Cincy being a possible landing spot? Nothing but anger comes out of your mouth.

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I don't like Cincy that much, they have a cheap owner who it doesn't appear is trying to be great. I'd rather Trent end up in a place like Dallas, Giants, Jets, New England,etc;Trent has the skills to take over the position on just about any team. Cincy is one of the few bad spots I think.

Why are you so angry over Cincy being a possible landing spot? Nothing but anger comes out of your mouth.
I don't agree with MS on much of anything. But, he's right. Cincy is a very cheap franchise, and they've done nothing to demonstrate that they will even consider keeping Dalton or AJG (let alone both of them) in the near-future. It's one of the more putrid teams in all sports. For the long-term Richardson owners, I wouldn't want him anywhere near Cincinnati.

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If Tampa passes, and I think they will, I tend to think he ends up a Jet.

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If Tampa passes, and I think they will, I tend to think he ends up a Jet.

TB should go Claiborne and I think he falls in Cincy's lap.

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I don't think he falls out of the top 10. Jets might trade up.

Really not seeing him fall to 17. I'm hoping Jax falls in love with Blackmon and trades up to the 5. Tampa takes Richardson at 7.

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No clue how reliable this site is, came up on one of the local sports talk guy's blogs.http://www.nationalfootballauthority.com/2012/02/per-league-source-cincinnati-bengals.html

National Football AuthorityAfter speaking to a team executive on Monday, National Football Authority senior writer Bear Heiser has learned the Bengals are eager to move up in the first round to secure themselves the top running back in this draft class—Alabama Crimson Tide's Trent Richardson.

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I don't think he falls out of the top 10. Jets might trade up.

Really not seeing him fall to 17. I'm hoping Jax falls in love with Blackmon and trades up to the 5. Tampa takes Richardson at 7.
Assuming StL/CLE swap, StL goes Blackmon at 4. Jax would be beter served going DE at 7.

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If Tampa passes, and I think they will, I tend to think he ends up a Jet.

TB should go Claiborne and I think he falls in Cincy's lap.
I don't see the Jets passing on Richardson if he is there.

Who knows though.

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I don't think he falls out of the top 10. Jets might trade up.

Really not seeing him fall to 17. I'm hoping Jax falls in love with Blackmon and trades up to the 5. Tampa takes Richardson at 7.
Assuming StL/CLE swap, StL goes Blackmon at 4. Jax would be beter served going DE at 7.
They could just as easily take Claiborne or Kalil at 4 depending on the Vikings. The trade scenario in general is just wishful thinking on my end.Tampa will screw it up regardless. It doesn't seem like they've made a decent draft pick in 10 years.

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Cincinatti is the ideal landing spot. Perfect piece for that offense. Good young QB, WR and potentially the best RB in the draft.

The defense there is already solid.

Tampa has Blount. It wasnt his fault they sucked last year. That coaching staff was garbage. Give him another chance.

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Cincinatti is the ideal landing spot. Perfect piece for that offense. Good young QB, WR and potentially the best RB in the draft. The defense there is already solid. Tampa has Blount. It wasnt his fault they sucked last year. That coaching staff was garbage. Give him another chance.

Cinci could be dangerous if they add Trent Richardson and Kendall Wright to pair up with Andy Dalton, AJ Green, Jermaine Gresham, Jordan Shipley and a solid D.

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Cincinatti is the ideal landing spot. Perfect piece for that offense. Good young QB, WR and potentially the best RB in the draft. The defense there is already solid. Tampa has Blount. It wasnt his fault they sucked last year. That coaching staff was garbage. Give him another chance.

This was my exact thought. I agree, Cincinatti would be so tough to stop with TRich. The passing game would protect Richardson and vice versa.

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No clue how reliable this site is, came up on one of the local sports talk guy's blogs.http://www.nationalfootballauthority.com/2012/02/per-league-source-cincinnati-bengals.html

National Football AuthorityAfter speaking to a team executive on Monday, National Football Authority senior writer Bear Heiser has learned the Bengals are eager to move up in the first round to secure themselves the top running back in this draft class—Alabama Crimson Tide's Trent Richardson.

This seems most likely. At this point, they just need to jump ahead of the Jets. Not mortgage everything. Just go up a few spots.

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Cincinatti is the ideal landing spot. Perfect piece for that offense. Good young QB, WR and potentially the best RB in the draft. The defense there is already solid. Tampa has Blount. It wasnt his fault they sucked last year. That coaching staff was garbage. Give him another chance.

Cinci could be dangerous if they add Trent Richardson and Kendall Wright to pair up with Andy Dalton, AJ Green, Jermaine Gresham, Jordan Shipley and a solid D.
Yes, Cinci could be extremely dangerous on offense if they had the peices you just said. Unfortunately, Cinci is going into the season with almost NOTHING at CB. Hall is not going to be recovered from his injury and Clements is going to be 33 yrs old. I would be shocked if Cinci didn't walk away with a CB with their 1st round picks.

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I don't think he falls out of the top 10. Jets might trade up.

Really not seeing him fall to 17. I'm hoping Jax falls in love with Blackmon and trades up to the 5. Tampa takes Richardson at 7.
Assuming StL/CLE swap, StL goes Blackmon at 4. Jax would be beter served going DE at 7.
Agreed. Jacksonville is going to take the BPA at #7 pretty much regardless of whichever position it is. Jacksonville has quite a few needs and will matchup a need with BPA at #7. The only way the Jaguars move up is if Andrew Luck or RB3 fall down the draft into the #5 spot.

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With the Redskins trade, TRich to Cleveland is a very real possibility again.

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With the Redskins trade, TRich to Cleveland is a very real possibility again.

My gut tells me they will take Claiborne to maintain their elite pass defense. Richardson will be tough for them to pass on though.Richardson to the Rams is looking quite possible now.

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With the Redskins trade, TRich to Cleveland is a very real possibility again.

My gut tells me they will take Claiborne to maintain their elite pass defense.
In today's NFL, that's a great idea

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I dont think the Browns can pass on Richardson now they need a elite player in that offense. I do wonder if Matt Flynn will be in to visit anytime soon.

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Still hoping he goes to Cincy. Personal preference is Cincy>TB>Jets>Cleveland. Although if Flynn goes to Cleveland, their line is pretty good, maybe Cleveland wouldn't be THAT bad for Richardson.

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I think the chances are slim that he falls out of the top 5 now. Unless Cleveland desides to go with Blackmon, Claibourne and Richardson will be the 4 and 5 picks, but who knows which goes where.

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So now that we're a week into free agency, any new thoughts on where he ends up? What's his best landing spot now? Personally, I think I'd prefer him going to Tampa rather than Cleveland. I don't think Cinci or anyone else moves up to get him.

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TB, Cinci or Cleveland would all be good spots. St. Louis would suck for S-Jax and Richardson owners...then again, the Panthers made it work.

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I personally think Cleveland would be a horrible spot. Just going off memory didnt they average less than 10 ppg last year on offense? A rb facing 8 in the box cause your passing game sucks wont make a huge difference. Just ask Hillis.

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I personally think Cleveland would be a horrible spot. Just going off memory didnt they average less than 10 ppg last year on offense? A rb facing 8 in the box cause your passing game sucks wont make a huge difference. Just ask Hillis.

I did ask him. He told me that in 2010 when the Browns passing offense was bottom-5 in the NFL (28th in attempts, 29th in yards, 30th in passing TDs), he gained almost 1600 total yards, averaged 4.4 YPC, and scored 13 TDs. Then he told me that in 2011 when their passing offense improved (slightly), he had a craptastic year.

So basically he told me that the Browns O-line can allow a RB to be successful, even if the Browns passing game is anemic.

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