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Shane Vereen vs. Stevan Ridley

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  1. 1. Which RB is the one to own?

    • Shane Vereen
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    • Stevan Ridley
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    • Niether, BJGE will be back for the foreseeable future
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Just to update this thread, early camp reports have Ridley pretty much locked into starting role. Vereen has not impressed and by all reports is being outplayed by UDFA Brandon Bolden.

At this point, Ridley is the guy to own and IMO Vereen is barely draftable. The only knock on Ridley was end of last year he had some ball security issues but that has been a focal point of camp and in ball security drills he has held the ball high & tight and has yet to fumble.

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Just to update this thread, early camp reports have Ridley pretty much locked into starting role. Vereen has not impressed and by all reports is being outplayed by UDFA Brandon Bolden. At this point, Ridley is the guy to own and IMO Vereen is barely draftable. The only knock on Ridley was end of last year he had some ball security issues but that has been a focal point of camp and in ball security drills he has held the ball high & tight and has yet to fumble.

:no:It's not even August yet -- way too early to make a definitive call like this one way or another. Lot of TC and a whole preseason left before this will be decided. Further, recent history suggests that more than one guy will have a meaningful role in the offense.

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FWIW... at least a half dozen (maybe more) media observers have all said the same thing. Ridley > Bolden > Vereen

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Vereen's stock definitely appears to be slipping. Mike Reiss had it Ridley - Woodhead - Vereen - Bolden with Bolden potentially able to move up the ladder.

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Just to update this thread, early camp reports have Ridley pretty much locked into starting role. Vereen has not impressed and by all reports is being outplayed by UDFA Brandon Bolden. At this point, Ridley is the guy to own and IMO Vereen is barely draftable. The only knock on Ridley was end of last year he had some ball security issues but that has been a focal point of camp and in ball security drills he has held the ball high & tight and has yet to fumble.

:no:It's not even August yet -- way too early to make a definitive call like this one way or another. Lot of TC and a whole preseason left before this will be decided. Further, recent history suggests that more than one guy will have a meaningful role in the offense.
I didn't think I was making any definitive prediction on the season, merely passing along what I've read about camp. If I had to bet, I'd say Ridley is in line for the type of production BJGE had in his top seasons. And as far as if I drafted today, I would take Bolden over Vereen. That could obviously change after a few preseason games if Vereen shines, but I am not posting from the future, I am posting from now, so this is all I have to go on.

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I thought Ridley was superior to Vereen in the Pats offense after they were drafted, and especially now after Addai's release, I feel a breakout coming for Ridley this season. RB2 at least IMO.

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Ridley is a lock for 1,000/10 in this offense. I'll take that as my flex.

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Ridley is the guy i opted for as i can see him progressing more this year.

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Shane Vereen: Vereen coming on in camp after slow startShane Vereen - RB - NE - Aug. 5 - 10:19 pm etPatriots RB Shane Vereen "appears to be coming around" after a slow start to his second NFL training camp.We've seen similar things on both Comcast SportsNet New England and ESPN Boston. Last year's 56th overall draft pick was spinning his tires behind Stevan Ridley and Danny Woodhead early in camp, but Vereen now appears to be finding his legs. He's a running back to keep an eye on during the preseason.

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Worth noting is that Ridley only had 3 catches last year in comparison to 87 carries. He may be the main bellcow RB but I think he'll be more beneficial to non-PPR league owners.

Vereen played in just 2 games last year but did get 8 and 7 carries. In the 7 carry game, he got 1 fewer carry than Woodhead and Ridley combined.

I can see Ridley being the main in between tackles RB but I wouldn't be so quick to write off Vereen as a non-factor (or getting supplanted heavily by Woodhead or even Bolden).

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Worth noting is that Ridley only had 3 catches last year in comparison to 87 carries. He may be the main bellcow RB but I think he'll be more beneficial to non-PPR league owners.Vereen played in just 2 games last year but did get 8 and 7 carries. In the 7 carry game, he got 1 fewer carry than Woodhead and Ridley combined.I can see Ridley being the main in between tackles RB but I wouldn't be so quick to write off Vereen as a non-factor (or getting supplanted heavily by Woodhead or even Bolden).

I won't disagree with anything here, but just to add a couple details, ridley look great catching the ball in last year's preseason, and the pats have reportedly been working on the rb screen like a mo' in camp.I'm not sayin' he catches 50 balls, but I'm not sayin' he catches 20, either.

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I have said this in a few threads already. Ridley is going to be the player that everyone looks back at tye end of the year and asks themselves how they didn't see it comIng.I think he gets most of the work. And I think the patriots run the ball as a whole much more this year.

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I am not ready to give up on these guys just yet. Could both have value?

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Shane Vereen: Vereen coming on in camp after slow startShane Vereen - RB - NE - Aug. 5 - 10:19 pm etPatriots RB Shane Vereen "appears to be coming around" after a slow start to his second NFL training camp.We've seen similar things on both Comcast SportsNet New England and ESPN Boston. Last year's 56th overall draft pick was spinning his tires behind Stevan Ridley and Danny Woodhead early in camp, but Vereen now appears to be finding his legs. He's a running back to keep an eye on during the preseason.

As a Pats fan, this was good to read. Was pretty bummed that Vereen looked pedestrian to kick off camp. Would love for him to ultimately take Woodhead's role as I think he is a more dynamic player and has more roster value than the limited Woodhead, i.e. he could be a 25 carry guy if you need him to be plus can catch & block out of the backfield.Still think Ridley gets the lion's share this year and many teams drafting him as their RB3/4 are going to be thrilled with his solid RB2 production. And if he gets anywhere close to the combo of BJGE's 180 carries and his 87 from last year while staying in the neighborhood of his 5.1 YPC to get 1200 yards to go with what could realistically be 12-14 TDs (18 rushing TDs for Pats last year) you're talking a ceiling of low-end RB1. Obviously those are wishful thinking ceiling stats but as far as a ceiling goes that is realistic. My one caveat would be the Pats OL which has been in significant flux throughout camp. Could make for a rough start to the season.

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I'm guessing Ridley doesn't get BJGE's 187 + a portion of Ridley's own 2011 carries. Part of BJGE's value was that he never fumbled. I would expect slightly fewer carries for Ridley, maybe around 175. And moving up from 87, he won't maintain 5.1 YPC but will probably be in the 4s. 175 x 4.5 puts him at about 800 yards rushing. And if he's supposedly more active in the passing game, probably another 200 yards and 25 receptions. 8-12 TDs.

There's value there, but I don't think he's going to be a 200 carry back, which is how is ADP is trending.

For Vereen, there are some of Ridley's 87 from last year, plus 30 from Faulk and himself. Could easily top 100 carries. And if the Patriots turn to him as a check-down weapon in the passing game, I think his value could bump up against Ridley even assuming 1,000 total yards, 25 receptions, and 8-12 TDs.

Vereen could be looking at 100-125 carries, 50+ receptions (an old Kevin Faulk had 60 a few years back), and could score 5-10 of his own TDs. 125 at 4.8 YPC is 600 yards rushing, plus 50 at 9.5 YPC is almost another 500 yards receiving. I'm not saying Vereen is GOING to have 50 receptions, but it's not that huge of a longshot considering that Faulk had 47 in 2007, and 63 in 2008 with Cassel, and Moreno + Buckhalter combined for 65 in Denver with McDaniels in 2010. PLUS we know that Bill Billichick is a great emulator of other trends in football; you've got to know he's been looking at New Orleans tape of Darren Sproles last year, and seeing what he added to the NO offense. I expect the Patriots to be one of the strongest Pass:Run balance teams in the NFL, so it could be that Ridley and Vereen both establish roles, but aren't that far apart in overall production.

Ridley = Strong flex, RB2 upside

Vereen = Probably flex or bye-week fill-in, but RB2 upside as well, if he carves out a roll in the passing game.

Both clearly have RB1 upside if the other gets hurt.

Given ADP, you can easily take both, but Ridley is creeping - into the 6th round now, vs. Vereen comfortably in the 13th.

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I'm guessing Ridley doesn't get BJGE's 187 + a portion of Ridley's own 2011 carries. Part of BJGE's value was that he never fumbled. I would expect slightly fewer carries for Ridley, maybe around 175. And moving up from 87, he won't maintain 5.1 YPC but will probably be in the 4s. 175 x 4.5 puts him at about 800 yards rushing. And if he's supposedly more active in the passing game, probably another 200 yards and 25 receptions. 8-12 TDs. There's value there, but I don't think he's going to be a 200 carry back, which is how is ADP is trending. For Vereen, there are some of Ridley's 87 from last year, plus 30 from Faulk and himself. Could easily top 100 carries. And if the Patriots turn to him as a check-down weapon in the passing game, I think his value could bump up against Ridley even assuming 1,000 total yards, 25 receptions, and 8-12 TDs. Vereen could be looking at 100-125 carries, 50+ receptions (an old Kevin Faulk had 60 a few years back), and could score 5-10 of his own TDs. 125 at 4.8 YPC is 600 yards rushing, plus 50 at 9.5 YPC is almost another 500 yards receiving. I'm not saying Vereen is GOING to have 50 receptions, but it's not that huge of a longshot considering that Faulk had 47 in 2007, and 63 in 2008 with Cassel, and Moreno + Buckhalter combined for 65 in Denver with McDaniels in 2010. PLUS we know that Bill Billichick is a great emulator of other trends in football; you've got to know he's been looking at New Orleans tape of Darren Sproles last year, and seeing what he added to the NO offense. I expect the Patriots to be one of the strongest Pass:Run balance teams in the NFL, so it could be that Ridley and Vereen both establish roles, but aren't that far apart in overall production. Ridley = Strong flex, RB2 upsideVereen = Probably flex or bye-week fill-in, but RB2 upside as well, if he carves out a roll in the passing game.Both clearly have RB1 upside if the other gets hurt. Given ADP, you can easily take both, but Ridley is creeping - into the 6th round now, vs. Vereen comfortably in the 13th.

I'm using the Pats 2010 run breakdown as my template for how I think the carries will be split. You had BJGE with 55% of the RB carries, then Woody with 23% then 17% going to Morris & Taylor. I'm using this year as it was the last time they had a clear cut RB1 without trying to work in young guys or having a guy miss time with injuries. I think Woody keeps a similar percentage and believe they'll want Ridley getting that 50-55% of main carries with Vereen picking up that 15-17%. Recent history shows that BB oftem does not have more than three active backson game day which should hold given the number of WRs and TEs they'll want active. A further wrinkle is the FB spot. If they keep a FB they could very well go into games with Ridley, Woodhead and a FB active with Vereen not even guaranteed an active spot on the roster game plan dependent.

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and how much, if any, will Hernandez take carries away like he was used in the playoffs?

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i know this is a running back but is anyone else worried about the Pats OL?

Brian Waters is an expected no-show. Logan Mankins and Seb Vollmer are on active PUP (both coming back from offseason surgery).

Right now in camp the line is:

LT Nate Solder - LG Donald Thomas (14 career starts) - C Dan Koppen - RG Dan Connoly - RT Marcus Cannon (0 career starts)

Granted, the Pats expect everyone to get back and show up and everything to be peachy. My question is, what if that doesn't happen?

I am going to update the OL rankings today, keep all the starters listed but bumping a half point off for cohesion. Even if everyone shows up for week 1 it's doubtful that these 5 will get any reps as a unit. And it's always possible that Waters retires, and a setback keeps mankins and vollmer sidelined. Mankins is especially one to watch, he's arguably the best guard in the conference.

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i know this is a running back but is anyone else worried about the Pats OL? Brian Waters is an expected no-show. Logan Mankins and Seb Vollmer are on active PUP (both coming back from offseason surgery). Right now in camp the line is: LT Nate Solder - LG Donald Thomas (14 career starts) - C Dan Koppen - RG Dan Connoly - RT Marcus Cannon (0 career starts)Granted, the Pats expect everyone to get back and show up and everything to be peachy. My question is, what if that doesn't happen? I am going to update the OL rankings today, keep all the starters listed but bumping a half point off for cohesion. Even if everyone shows up for week 1 it's doubtful that these 5 will get any reps as a unit. And it's always possible that Waters retires, and a setback keeps mankins and vollmer sidelined. Mankins is especially one to watch, he's arguably the best guard in the conference.

As a Pat's fan, it's a legit concern. I think I mentioned it in a previous post, but I expect the OL play to be subpar (by Pats standards) for September. As you said, even if they line up the projected starting unit of L-to-R Solder-Mankins-Koppen-Cannon-Vollmer this unit will have not played together for very long.

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I'm guessing Ridley doesn't get BJGE's 187 + a portion of Ridley's own 2011 carries. Part of BJGE's value was that he never fumbled. I would expect slightly fewer carries for Ridley, maybe around 175. And moving up from 87, he won't maintain 5.1 YPC but will probably be in the 4s. 175 x 4.5 puts him at about 800 yards rushing. And if he's supposedly more active in the passing game, probably another 200 yards and 25 receptions. 8-12 TDs. There's value there, but I don't think he's going to be a 200 carry back, which is how is ADP is trending. For Vereen, there are some of Ridley's 87 from last year, plus 30 from Faulk and himself. Could easily top 100 carries. And if the Patriots turn to him as a check-down weapon in the passing game, I think his value could bump up against Ridley even assuming 1,000 total yards, 25 receptions, and 8-12 TDs. Vereen could be looking at 100-125 carries, 50+ receptions (an old Kevin Faulk had 60 a few years back), and could score 5-10 of his own TDs. 125 at 4.8 YPC is 600 yards rushing, plus 50 at 9.5 YPC is almost another 500 yards receiving. I'm not saying Vereen is GOING to have 50 receptions, but it's not that huge of a longshot considering that Faulk had 47 in 2007, and 63 in 2008 with Cassel, and Moreno + Buckhalter combined for 65 in Denver with McDaniels in 2010. PLUS we know that Bill Billichick is a great emulator of other trends in football; you've got to know he's been looking at New Orleans tape of Darren Sproles last year, and seeing what he added to the NO offense. I expect the Patriots to be one of the strongest Pass:Run balance teams in the NFL, so it could be that Ridley and Vereen both establish roles, but aren't that far apart in overall production. Ridley = Strong flex, RB2 upsideVereen = Probably flex or bye-week fill-in, but RB2 upside as well, if he carves out a roll in the passing game.Both clearly have RB1 upside if the other gets hurt. Given ADP, you can easily take both, but Ridley is creeping - into the 6th round now, vs. Vereen comfortably in the 13th.

I'm using the Pats 2010 run breakdown as my template for how I think the carries will be split. You had BJGE with 55% of the RB carries, then Woody with 23% then 17% going to Morris & Taylor. I'm using this year as it was the last time they had a clear cut RB1 without trying to work in young guys or having a guy miss time with injuries. I think Woody keeps a similar percentage and believe they'll want Ridley getting that 50-55% of main carries with Vereen picking up that 15-17%. Recent history shows that BB oftem does not have more than three active backson game day which should hold given the number of WRs and TEs they'll want active. A further wrinkle is the FB spot. If they keep a FB they could very well go into games with Ridley, Woodhead and a FB active with Vereen not even guaranteed an active spot on the roster game plan dependent.
I agree with you on Woodhead having a similar role as he's had the past two years, so there's his 15-20%. But I think Vereen is an upgrade to most everything that Woodhead does... so it's possible that Woodhead is more of a depth player, whereas Vereen is used as the primary RB in passing sets.I also don't think it makes much sense to put Ridley in the 50-55% as a "clear cut RB1" that BJGE was... he's clearly not that guy (yet). And you said you want to use 2010 as a year when they had a clear cut RB1 WITHOUT trying to work in young guys.... that's the exact opposite of what they have this year. They lack a clear RB1, and they have two young guys who look very promising. Second, Vereen and the combo of Morris/Taylor have nothing in common - those were all purpose, power RBs at the end of their careers, whereas Vereen is more of an open field weapon who is very young. All in all, I don't think this comparison makes much sense, other than pointing out that 50-55% of the carries is probably Ridley's ceiling.

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i know this is a running back but is anyone else worried about the Pats OL? Brian Waters is an expected no-show. Logan Mankins and Seb Vollmer are on active PUP (both coming back from offseason surgery). Right now in camp the line is: LT Nate Solder - LG Donald Thomas (14 career starts) - C Dan Koppen - RG Dan Connoly - RT Marcus Cannon (0 career starts)Granted, the Pats expect everyone to get back and show up and everything to be peachy. My question is, what if that doesn't happen? I am going to update the OL rankings today, keep all the starters listed but bumping a half point off for cohesion. Even if everyone shows up for week 1 it's doubtful that these 5 will get any reps as a unit. And it's always possible that Waters retires, and a setback keeps mankins and vollmer sidelined. Mankins is especially one to watch, he's arguably the best guard in the conference.

My rule of thumb for Offensive Lines: If Matt's worried, I'm worried. J

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Brady could be on his #### more and Gronk/Hernandez might be doing more blocking. I still think the offense will be dynamic but the cohesiveness of the offensive line will be something to keep an eye on.

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NFL Network's Michael Lombardi issued a "fantasy sleeper alert" for Patriots undrafted rookie RB Brandon Bolden on Inside Training Camp Live.

"From what I'm being told, I think he has an opportunity to be a special running back much like BenJarvus Green-Ellis," said Lombardi, "And I have a feeling he's pushing Stevan Ridley." Lombardi's connection to Bill Belichick leads to plenty of inside scoop, but he also tends to relentlessly hype Patriots backup types. Bolden did garner early-camp praise from beat writers, though we've seen nothing to suggest he's putting heat on Ridley for the lead back role.

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i know this is a running back but is anyone else worried about the Pats OL? Brian Waters is an expected no-show. Logan Mankins and Seb Vollmer are on active PUP (both coming back from offseason surgery). Right now in camp the line is: LT Nate Solder - LG Donald Thomas (14 career starts) - C Dan Koppen - RG Dan Connoly - RT Marcus Cannon (0 career starts)Granted, the Pats expect everyone to get back and show up and everything to be peachy. My question is, what if that doesn't happen? I am going to update the OL rankings today, keep all the starters listed but bumping a half point off for cohesion. Even if everyone shows up for week 1 it's doubtful that these 5 will get any reps as a unit. And it's always possible that Waters retires, and a setback keeps mankins and vollmer sidelined. Mankins is especially one to watch, he's arguably the best guard in the conference.

I don't think the Pats are looking at any of these guys as major issues . . . either now or down the road. I agree, if the worst case scenario hits all of them then it will be a problem . . . but that would be the case for any team. I would expect all 3 of Waters, Mankins, and Vollmer to be ready for the start of the season. We can get a better read on the Pats OL situation by ehether or not they are scrambling to start bringing in street free agents and signing a bunch of retreads and bodies. They thought Gallery might be worth a depth spot (but he since retired). They also signed Dustin Waldron. I don't know . . . is that a sign of the Pats being in dire straits? Over the years, the Pats have had a lot of OL injuries and the offense didn't seem to miss a beat. I wouldn't say this is much ado about nothing, but I think at this point this is mostly more of a potential concern than a grave one.

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NFL Network's Michael Lombardi issued a "fantasy sleeper alert" for Patriots undrafted rookie RB Brandon Bolden on Inside Training Camp Live.

"From what I'm being told, I think he has an opportunity to be a special running back much like BenJarvus Green-Ellis," said Lombardi, "And I have a feeling he's pushing Stevan Ridley." Lombardi's connection to Bill Belichick leads to plenty of inside scoop, but he also tends to relentlessly hype Patriots backup types. Bolden did garner early-camp praise from beat writers, though we've seen nothing to suggest he's putting heat on Ridley for the lead back role.

Lombardi is now a fantasy guru? :lmao:

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If I buy any of these guys it Woodhead. You can use a last pick pretty much on the most proven commodity of the group. He can catch, pass protect, and run the ball. With Welker and Hernandez having the same roles creating mismatches that probably ate into his playing time last year. 2010 it took him 131 touches to get 900 yards total with 6 TD's. That's darn near 7 yards a touch. I can't think of a scenario where Ridley or Vereen, who I haven't seen much of, can be that productive.

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If I buy any of these guys it Woodhead. You can use a last pick pretty much on the most proven commodity of the group. He can catch, pass protect, and run the ball. With Welker and Hernandez having the same roles creating mismatches that probably ate into his playing time last year. 2010 it took him 131 touches to get 900 yards total with 6 TD's. That's darn near 7 yards a touch. I can't think of a scenario where Ridley or Vereen, who I haven't seen much of, can be that productive.

After Week 1 last year, Woodhead played in 16 other games with a high of 7 carries. If I recall correctrly, he didn't have more than 10 touches in a game after Week 1 until the SB. Playing in all 19 games last year, his average line was:4.9 carries, 21.7 yards, 0.05 rushing TD, 1.2 receptions, 10.8 receiving yards, and 0.05 receiving TD. Including the regular and post sesons, Woodhead averaged a much more modest 4.75 yards per touch. And let's not forget that he was playing in situations conducive to getting chunks of yardage (3rd and long and passing downs).At this point, he may even be 4th on the depth chart.

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Looks like Vereen will be battling with Woodhead (or have an early lead) as the 3rd down/Passing down back.

Vereen has been better this summer. He has typically been the second or third back on the field in running situations, but has gotten a lot of his reps during passing opportunities. Vereen runs good routes for a running back, and he has shown off some nice hands while making a few difficult catches, either by leaping or reaching around a defender.

“Shane is obviously very quick,” said teammate Rob Ninkovich, who can relate to outside linebackers tasked with corralling Vereen. “He’s kind of like that (Danny) Woodhead (type), a shorter, stockier guy who can get in and out of his routes really fast. It’s hard to get your hands on him and affect him because he’s more stout. Obviously, him coming out of the backfield running the wheels and the angles, everything that you need for a quarterback to get out of some trouble, you know he’s going to be able to do that for you.”

Vereen has developed a good rapport with quarterback Tom Brady [stats], who obviously has plenty of targets, but it’s clear that Brady will go in Vereen’s direction with his check-downs. Vereen’s electricity can be an asset in space, particularly when he’s one-on-one with a pursuing tackler.

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NFL Network's Michael Lombardi issued a "fantasy sleeper alert" for Patriots undrafted rookie RB Brandon Bolden on Inside Training Camp Live.

"From what I'm being told, I think he has an opportunity to be a special running back much like BenJarvus Green-Ellis," said Lombardi, "And I have a feeling he's pushing Stevan Ridley." Lombardi's connection to Bill Belichick leads to plenty of inside scoop, but he also tends to relentlessly hype Patriots backup types. Bolden did garner early-camp praise from beat writers, though we've seen nothing to suggest he's putting heat on Ridley for the lead back role.

Lombardi is now a fantasy guru? :lmao:

There is a good deal of conversation about this in the "Who is Brandon Bolden" thread. Different opinions on what it means for a guy like Lombardi to be writing about Bolden. I honestly don't know the connections he has with the organization but a few people are saying its fairly significant.

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Here's a very cool film study breakdown of some of the versatility Shane Vereen brings to the Patriots from the last preseason game in which he was lined up as a slot receiver on one play and ended up catching a pass from Mallett. I like Ridley a lot, but it will be very interesting to see what Vereen can do with the #1 offense when given a chance in a game as I believe he's the most talented all-around RB on the team which should translate into a lot of snaps with such a pass happy New England offense. This will be a fun camp battle to watch!

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could vereen possibly be welkers semi-replacement next year?

with those TEs, a 100 catch wr is not as critical to their offense anymore

maybe his replacement will be vereen as a 60 catch sproles type and a wr2 as a 40-50 catch 4th option guy

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These are two things that could quickly destroy all the momentum Ridley has built up this preseason:

Brian Hoyer and Stevan Ridley had to run a lap after fumbled hand-off.

Jerod Mayo blew up Ridley on a blitz in 11-on-11s.

Boston Herald practice report

(disclaimer: I own both players)

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These are two things that could quickly destroy all the momentum Ridley has built up this preseason:

Brian Hoyer and Stevan Ridley had to run a lap after fumbled hand-off.

Jerod Mayo blew up Ridley on a blitz in 11-on-11s.

Boston Herald practice report

(disclaimer: I own both players)

Yikes, that's one bad practice! Just dropped him in my redraft rankings from having 6th round value to 14th round value, thanks for the heads up.

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These are two things that could quickly destroy all the momentum Ridley has built up this preseason:

Brian Hoyer and Stevan Ridley had to run a lap after fumbled hand-off.

Jerod Mayo blew up Ridley on a blitz in 11-on-11s.

Boston Herald practice report

(disclaimer: I own both players)

Yikes, that's one bad practice! Just dropped him in my redraft rankings from having 6th round value to 14th round value, thanks for the heads up.
As a big fan of sarcasm, myself: :thumbup:

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These are two things that could quickly destroy all the momentum Ridley has built up this preseason:

Brian Hoyer and Stevan Ridley had to run a lap after fumbled hand-off.

Jerod Mayo blew up Ridley on a blitz in 11-on-11s.

Boston Herald practice report

(disclaimer: I own both players)

I'm a Vereen fan, but still, didn't we already know that? Isn't that why Woodhead played on passing downs this past weekend?? I don't see anything new here.

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maybe the OL should have taken a lap, if Spikes "blew up" Ridley, sounds like someone missed a block, or maybe Saint Tom didnt audible.

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maybe the OL should have taken a lap, if Spikes "blew up" Ridley, sounds like someone missed a block, or maybe Saint Tom didnt audible.

occasionally, a lb will be brought as an extra rusher that the rb needs to pick up with a block.

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I'm starting to miss the old days when an individual play in a practice or a scrimmage did not merit a blog post, an immediate RSS feed, or panic on a message board. There are so many people reporting on training camp these days that seemingly everyone is at risk of getting cut . . . or 20+ undrafted or street free agents on the same team are some how going to make the final roster to break camp.

I find it amusing that after years and years of some of this stuff, there really is nothing wrong with PLAYER X, but he ended up "on the bubble" or "at risk of being benched" because he only received one target in 4 preseason games. Or that PLAYER Y really isn't going to break the starting lineup even with a ton of production in the preseason games, and in fact, you really can get cut even if you lit it up all preseason.

Trying to keep up with all this stuff will make your head psin, especially when the same guy is GOAT (greatest of all time) one day and a goat the next.

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Apologize I'm traveling so can't link to article but BB just had pretty telling (for him) presser where asked about splits and why he hasn't had a bell cow back since Corey Dillon he said that if 2004 Corey Dillon was on the field he would still be that guy but he hasn't seen that guy on the field for awhile. Basically kind of saying that he hasn't had a feature back more out if talent/player situation and not really offensive philoshy. Hopefully someone can link to it bc I found it interesting and could give really good value to either of Vereen or Ridley if they can prove to be that guy.

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Found it.

The disappearance of the 300-carry back. Belichick was asked if the days of the bellcow running back are officially over, and his response was pretty sharp. “I’m for whatever helps us win,” he said. “If it’s 500 quarterback sneaks, if that’s the best thing for us, then I’m all for it. If that’s the best thing we can do to win, then sign me up for it.” Informed that since Corey Dillon in 2004, the Patriots haven’t had a bellcow, Belichick deadpanned, “Corey Dillon was good enough to do it. If the Corey Dillon of 2004 was on this roster, I’m sure he’d get it 300 times too. I haven’t seen Corey out there lately.”

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