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Its the Lions. They should just draft bpa regardless of position or immediate need. 

That said, it seems like another Lions like outcome to have the #3 pick in a draft where the player you probably want will get drafted #2.

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17 hours ago, loser said:

 Yeah, knock it off with this Tua bull####. QB is like the 18th biggest need smh

Until Stafford hangs it up in a year or two and we spend the next ten years trying to replace him. If Tua is healthy and available there is a strong argument for taking him. Deal Stafford for picks and draft those other needs there. 

The Packers didn’t need a QB when they drafted Rodgers and that worked pretty well for them. 

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One big concern is 2 years in a row Stafford has had broken bones in his back.  If he gets hurt again the coming season with all the $$$$$ he has made, the losing, and dealing with his wife's brain tumor I can see him just saying screw it I am done.

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14 minutes ago, Da Guru said:

One big concern is 2 years in a row Stafford has had broken bones in his back.  If he gets hurt again the coming season with all the $$$$$ he has made, the losing, and dealing with his wife's brain tumor I can see him just saying screw it I am done.

It makes you realize in retrospect how lucky the Cowboys got with Dak (especially given that they only took him after missing out on Paxton Lynch and Connor Cook). So the Lions just need to draft a late-round QB who becomes the surprise starter. Instead, they got Blough.

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14 minutes ago, zftcg said:

It makes you realize in retrospect how lucky the Cowboys got with Dak (especially given that they only took him after missing out on Paxton Lynch and Connor Cook). So the Lions just need to draft a late-round QB who becomes the surprise starter. Instead, they got Blough.

I agree as it was reported Jerry Jones wanted Paxton Lynch very bad.

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1 hour ago, TwinTurbo said:

Its the Lions. They should just draft bpa regardless of position or immediate need. 

That said, it seems like another Lions like outcome to have the #3 pick in a draft where the player you probably want will get drafted #2.

The Lions manage to be both incompetent and snakebit at the same time. But I guess there's that thing about making your own luck.

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5 hours ago, Leroy Hoard said:

The Lions manage to be both incompetent and snakebit at the same time. But I guess there's that thing about making your own luck.

Regarding the incompetent part …..,the Lions signed Undlin who was the Eagles DB coach as new D coordinator. Eagles fans on this board are thanking Detroit for hiring Undlin.

Wade Phillips was still unsigned, doesn't sound like he was even considered. Hard to accept that this isn't another whiff by the Lions.

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6 hours ago, Leroy Hoard said:

The Lions manage to be both incompetent and snakebit at the same time. But I guess there's that thing about making your own luck.

Bengals finally got lucky though. Great year to have the #1 pick and need a QB. It doesn't always work out that way. 

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46 minutes ago, Moonlight said:

Regarding the incompetent part …..,the Lions signed Undlin who was the Eagles DB coach as new D coordinator. Eagles fans on this board are thanking Detroit for hiring Undlin.

Wade Phillips was still unsigned, doesn't sound like he was even considered. Hard to accept that this isn't another whiff by the Lions.

well he's a former Patriot's assistant. These guys will keep hooking each other up for years to come. maybe we can find a way to get Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis on the staff too. 

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12 minutes ago, TwinTurbo said:

well he's a former Patriot's assistant. These guys will keep hooking each other up for years to come. maybe we can find a way to get Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis on the staff too. 

Poor old Martha has no no clue what is happening beneath her. They just keep spinning their way to keep their jobs as well as their best buds.

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The lead-up to the draft is going to create a massive upswell for the #2 QB in this draft.  I'm not convinced it's Tua.

This will cause the Redskins to either take that QB or trade out of #2.  The Loins will get Chase Young.

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With Martha not pulling the trigger to terminate Quinn/Patricia it effects the quality of coaches and the quality of FAs that will come to Detroit. The lack of certainty about what happens after the 2020 season regarding role and scheme will be a factor.

I can see some reasons why they were retained but you also handicap the team for the next year and delay the rebuild if it is needed. I think you can establish accountability through termination without a warning beforehand. You want your organization to know that good results are expected from the start. I would have parted ways with Quinn and Patricia but that's me.

Money shouldn't have been a factor, the Fords have enough. Attendance has been down the last two years and I am hearing more talk before of fans wanting the team sold.

Leroy Hoard said the Lions are Incompetent and unlucky. That is no way to go through life

 

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On 1/15/2020 at 3:53 PM, tangfoot said:

The lead-up to the draft is going to create a massive upswell for the #2 QB in this draft.  I'm not convinced it's Tua.

This will cause the Redskins to either take that QB or trade out of #2.  The Loins will get Chase Young.

yeah Im not sure the new brass would want Haskins or Tua. who you thinking the #2 QB could be? Herbert? Love?

 

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The more I watch Jerry Jeudy, the more I am convinced he is the BPA after Burrow and Chase Young.

You don't need to burn the #3 pick on a WR, but he looks a combo of Marvin Harrison and Isaac Bruce. 

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8 minutes ago, TwinTurbo said:

The more I watch Jerry Jeudy, the more I am convinced he is the BPA after Burrow and Chase Young.

You don't need to burn the #3 pick on a WR, but he looks a combo of Marvin Harrison and Isaac Bruce. 

I've actually seen him mocked to the Lions at #3.  Him and Kenny G. would make nice bookends.

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from the Twitters:

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49ers' record by season:
2015: 5-11
2016: 2-14
2017: 6-10
2018: 4-12
2019: 13-3 

The first team to ever follow four straight seasons with 10+ losses with a Super Bowl appearance. Incredible turnaround.

Only two more double digit loss seasons & Coach P should have them primed for their first ever SB run in 2022.

I’m presuming they’ll deal Matthew a year from now for picks, before he gets broken in half.

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crap dunno y the [/quote] doesn’t work - last two lines are mine

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In place of the News article that centers on Matt Patricia wanting to eat a giant candy bar,  here are somewhat more informative versions of Senior Bowl week.

https://www.ourlads.com/senior-bowl/roster/2020

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2872521-2020-nfl-mock-draft-1st-round-projections-top-prospects-ahead-of-super-bowl

 

https://www.al.com/sports/2020/01/oregons-justin-herbert-hopes-to-be-latest-qb-to-experience-senior-bowl-bump.html

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I was ready to dismiss this "Tua to the Lions" speculation as crazy message-board talk, but I guess now it has support from the physical manifestation of NFL conventional wisdom, Peter King:

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 I think this is my favorite analysis of Tua Tagovailoa, from one of my favorite analysts, Dan Orlovsky: “It’s going to take a courageous general manager to draft him, and it’s going to take a courageous general manager to pass on him.” When Orlovsky told me that, I immediately thought of two teams: Detroit, picking third, and Miami, picking fifth. How can Tagovailoa get past Miami—that’s my first thought.

But think if you’re Detroit. Matthew Stafford’s been the quarterback there 11 seasons. He’s never won a playoff game, and the Lions are 13 under .500 in games he starts, and he’s entering his age-32 season. Sometimes, even when something’s not your fault, it might be time to wipe the slate clean. If the Lions draft Tua and keep Stafford this year, then cut Stafford in 2021, it’s a $19-million cap hit (when the cap will likely be well over $200 million the first year of the new CBA, assuming no work stoppage), per Over The Cap. The Lions, at minimum, should do very serious homework on the Alabama QB coming back from his hip injury. I’d be concerned with two high ankle sprains and the hip surgery in the span of 13 months. That’s something you’d better be sure of if you pick him. But if you get past that, how do you pass on him, even with a decent QB situation on your team?

 

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I absolutely hate all the mocks with Detroit taking Jeff Okudah.  

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17 minutes ago, Foosball God said:

I absolutely hate all the mocks with Detroit taking Jeff Okudah.  

He seems solid enough, but not at #3.  If there was ever a draft to trade out of #3, this would be it.

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7 hours ago, zftcg said:

I was ready to dismiss this "Tua to the Lions" speculation as crazy message-board talk, but I guess now it has support from the physical manifestation of NFL conventional wisdom, Peter King:

 

I don't care if the Lions draft a QB.. but Tua was going to bust BEFORE he got hurt.

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7 hours ago, matuski said:

I don't care if the Lions draft a QB.. but Tua was going to bust BEFORE he got hurt.

And 3 pretty good receivers this year.  Who made who?

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Read two recent articles that were Lions related.

In one Martin Mayhew, former Lions GM  now with Frisco front office, said he regretted passing over Aaron Donald in order to draft Eric Ebron. Think he said that Donald didn't fit their scheme.

In the other, Richard Sherman stated he was offered more guaranteed money by the Lions than he was offered by San Francisco but chose to sign with SF because of Patricia.

Felt that Patricia would mimic BB and also that Patricia would run too hard practices that would wear out his body.

 

 

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I posted in the other thread.. with the NYG picking after them, the Lions have no leverage.

Zero chance NYG takes a QB, so teams would just trade to #4.

Unless DET can convince people they want a QB.

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On 1/29/2020 at 7:35 AM, Moonlight said:

Read two recent articles that were Lions related.

In one Martin Mayhew, former Lions GM  now with Frisco front office, said he regretted passing over Aaron Donald in order to draft Eric Ebron. Think he said that Donald didn't fit their scheme.

In the other, Richard Sherman stated he was offered more guaranteed money by the Lions than he was offered by San Francisco but chose to sign with SF because of Patricia.

Felt that Patricia would mimic BB and also that Patricia would run too hard practices that would wear out his body.

Posts like this make me want to petition the mods to add an angry response button alongside Like, Thanks, Love and Laughing. Guess I'll just have to settle for this: :hot:

Amazing to think that the Lions were perfectly positioned to take both DeMarcus Lawrence and Donald but instead ended up with Charles Rogers and Ebron. And this isn't 20/20 hindsight; everyone at the time was saying they should have made those picks.

As for Sherman, I can't argue with his logic.

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In possibly more encouraging news, Bill Barnwell identifies the Lions as one of five teams best positioned to be next year's version of the Niners. You can read the whole thing at the link, but here are the bullet points:

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  • Similarity: They spent most of 2019 without their starting quarterback. 
  • Similarity: They didn't rack up many interceptions. 
  • Similarity: They have an X's-and-O's genius on staff. 
  • Difference: They (probably) won't be able to use their high draft pick to add the draft's best pass-rusher. 
  • Similarity: They could use a high draft pick to address a key defensive point of weakness. 
  • Similarity: They blew a lot of games late. 
  • Difference: Their coach doesn't have a track record of success in multiple places.

 

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2 hours ago, matuski said:

I posted in the other thread.. with the NYG picking after them, the Lions have no leverage.

Zero chance NYG takes a QB, so teams would just trade to #4.

Unless DET can convince people they want a QB.

the leverage is in more than 1 team wanting said qb....playing a game and waiting until 3rd vs 4th pick is a good way to miss your guy....

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1 hour ago, zftcg said:

In possibly more encouraging news, Bill Barnwell identifies the Lions as one of five teams best positioned to be next year's version of the Niners. You can read the whole thing at the link, but here are the bullet points:

 

who exactly is the x n o genius on the staff?

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27 minutes ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

who exactly is the x n o genius on the staff?

Yeah, I thought that was a stretch. He says it's Patricia because he was the one who came up with the game plan to slow down the Rams that the rest of the league has since copied. Of course, the Lions gave up 30 points and lost that game, so :shrug:

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58 minutes ago, zftcg said:

Yeah, I thought that was a stretch. He says it's Patricia because he was the one who came up with the game plan to slow down the Rams that the rest of the league has since copied. Of course, the Lions gave up 30 points and lost that game, so :shrug:

He's such a genius that the Pats D has gotten better since he left while the Lions has gotten worse while supposedly adding more talent.

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I think the Lions sitting pretty actually, Miami, Carolina and SD all need QBs badly.....Figure Cincy takes Burrow, and if Washington likes Haskins (who knows, new coach, new GM, hes cheap though) means the lions get Chase Young, or one of those 3 teams (maybe others) offer picks to move up......Herbert/Tua…. someone falls in love and goes and gets them I think. Lions for better or worse are sticking with Stafford until he retires

 

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3 hours ago, Raging weasel said:

He's such a genius that the Pats D has gotten better since he left while the Lions has gotten worse while supposedly adding more talent.

The Pats D didn't really get better. They just had the easiest first half schedule this season. But yes all of these Pats assistant coaches seem to bomb after they leave, mainly because Tom Brady doesn't go with them. It will be interesting to see what the Pats record looks like after Brady retires. Maybe they will find another HOF QB in the 6th round that can play for 20 years while the rest of the AFC East continues to suck. 

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1 hour ago, TwinTurbo said:

The Pats D didn't really get better. They just had the easiest first half schedule this season. But yes all of these Pats assistant coaches seem to bomb after they leave, mainly because Tom Brady doesn't go with them. It will be interesting to see what the Pats record looks like after Brady retires. Maybe they will find another HOF QB in the 6th round that can play for 20 years while the rest of the AFC East continues to suck. 

You can even include BB himself along with all those assistants.

No rings until the #199 pick replaced the #1 pick.

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3 hours ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

I think the Lions sitting pretty actually, Miami, Carolina and SD all need QBs badly.....Figure Cincy takes Burrow, and if Washington likes Haskins (who knows, new coach, new GM, hes cheap though) means the lions get Chase Young, or one of those 3 teams (maybe others) offer picks to move up......Herbert/Tua…. someone falls in love and goes and gets them I think. Lions for better or worse are sticking with Stafford until he retires

 

I don't think Washington will give up the 2, at least not for anything reasonable.  That is bad because I really want Young on the Lions, but good in that Detroit's is the most likely pick to get traded.

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Just take Tua if the medical is good. Time for a reboot. Forget the win now edict Martha. Win for 10 years. 

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1 hour ago, The Captain said:

Just take Tua if the medical is good. Time for a reboot. Forget the win now edict Martha. Win for 10 years. 

Please no.

Marcus Mariota 2.0. 

Bust.

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1 hour ago, The Captain said:

Just take Tua if the medical is good. Time for a reboot. Forget the win now edict Martha. Win for 10 years. 

it would be very lion-eques to take a hurt guy

 

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7 hours ago, Leroy Hoard said:

You can even include BB himself along with all those assistants.

No rings until the #199 pick replaced the #1 pick.

He went 11-5 with Matt Cassel as his QB

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10 hours ago, matuski said:

Please no.

Marcus Mariota 2.0. 

Bust.

I don’t know if he is Mariota 2.0.....but I would agree that I do not want the Lions to draft him either. Even if he does turn out to be a good quarterback his skill set lends to some creativity on offense. The Lions would not know how to harness that. 

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13 hours ago, The Captain said:

Just take Tua if the medical is good. Time for a reboot. Forget the win now edict Martha. Win for 10 years. 

This guy seems to agree with you:

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/columnists/bob-wojnowski/2020/01/30/ever-sniff-super-bowl-lions-must-crank-up-boldness/4619954002/

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46 minutes ago, Leroy Hoard said:

Wojo is so annoying, but in this case I agree with him. 

I’m a Stafford fan but we’ve won nothing with him (no it’s not all his fault)...its time to move on. Let him go win somewhere else. 

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2 hours ago, King of the Jungle said:

I don’t know if he is Mariota 2.0.....but I would agree that I do not want the Lions to draft him either. Even if he does turn out to be a good quarterback his skill set lends to some creativity on offense. The Lions would not know how to harness that. 

This I can somewhat agree with. Will the Lions use him effectively? I don’t know. But it think we will be looking for a QB in a couple years no matter what so why not take him now. 

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Either way you believe, it has little chance of happening. Fords have never listened to anything the fans or media have to say and their top employees are under a win now directive.

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42 minutes ago, The Captain said:

Wojo is so annoying, but in this case I agree with him. 

I’m a Stafford fan but we’ve won nothing with him (no it’s not all his fault)...its time to move on. Let him go win somewhere else. 

So because the team has sucked around him, it’s time to get rid of our best player in his prime?

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