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2024 Detroit Lions: Getting ready for the draft in Motown. (22 Viewers)

MrJimiT said:
Wow...this is worth a thread all on it's own!!

I have never met any of them in person, so I cannot comment on their off-air personalities, but your MSU rant is spot on with how I have felt the past several years!!
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When I say I met them in person it was being at the same place twice when a whole group was there.  Rob Parker was standing at the bar and I went up to get a beer and I just said "Hey Parker"  Next thing I knew we were talking for 15-20 minutes and he is so nice and so funny! Could not be more cordial.

I saw him a year or two later at Chelis bar in Detroit and did the same I said "Hey Parker" he acted just the same and we ended up having beers together.  From what I am told Valenti never goes to functions.  Forgot to add that Gator Anderson was very nice as well...wow is he fat in person.

It was funny because I saw Stone blowing people off and basically just acting like a self absorbed  idiot, and not in a good way but a very dorky way.  The same way he is on the air., so I refused to even acknowledge him when he was close to me. Not that he would care. 

The thing is the second time I saw of these guys together was at Mr. Bs in Royal Oak and it was announced to come up and see and talk with the on air guys. Wojo is just like he is on the air...stuffing his face with food and drink.

Stone only talked to the people he worked with.   Valenti was not there but Foster was.  Seemed like a good guy.This was when Foster was still in good health and Sully was not on the show. I never went out of my way to talk to them..only if we ended up standing at the bar together.

 
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Ilov80s said:
Bobby addressed it better but my answer is I hope so. He has a unique physical set of skills- that hybrid LB/S is really the only role he seems fit for. He was a 4th round pick out of a smaller school so it's not really a surprise that he wasn't ready to be a regular contributer in year 2. Patricia's whole reputation is built on having a fluid defense, knowing guy's strengths and putting them in those roles. Hopefully Miles can improve and Patricia can find the right spots for him to be impactful.

The 2 defenders I am curious about are Zettel. Due to injuries and a lack of depth, he was asked to way more than he should have. However, he showed up pretty well for a 7th rounder. Can he improve? Can he be effective in the more limited role he should be in? Also, Hyder. He had a dream season in 2016 and a nightmare season in 2017. Was that a 1 year wonder or can he be a situational pass rusher that helps the Lions win games?
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Didnt hyder tear his achilles?

Im very interested in if they franchise ziggy or not.

Also they blew the oline rebuild last year. Tj lang is past him prime and wagnor was underwhleming. Meanwhile warford and riley rieff improved elsewhere. Coaching? Scheme? The oline coach is gone but they have to fix the run game. Sounds like swanson is gone and glasgow is moving to center.  So they need a guard

 
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bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Didnt hyder tear his achilles?

Im very interested in if they franchise ziggy or not.

Also they blew the oline rebuild last year. Tj lang is past him prime and wagnor was underwhleming. Meanwhile warford and riley rieff improved elsewhere. Coaching? Scheme? The oline coach is gone but they have to fix the run game. Sounds like swanson is gone and glasgow is moving to center.  So they need a guard
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Yeah in week 1 of preseason so he's had a lot of time to recover. All we can do is hope recovers. The prognosis for that is a lot better than it used to be. 

Wagnor was underwhelming but he did battle some injuries. He also signed for cheaper than Rieff did. Lang's long term health and play does worry me. I don't know what happened with Warford. He was a beast as a rookie and then hadn't played very well the rest of his time in Detroit. Individual OL play is tough to analyze and Decker missed the most of the year so that could have had a large ripple effect. I at least think the OL has talent going into 2018. 

 
Ilov80s said:
Yeah in week 1 of preseason so he's had a lot of time to recover. All we can do is hope recovers. The prognosis for that is a lot better than it used to be. 

Wagnor was underwhelming but he did battle some injuries. He also signed for cheaper than Rieff did. Lang's long term health and play does worry me. I don't know what happened with Warford. He was a beast as a rookie and then hadn't played very well the rest of his time in Detroit. Individual OL play is tough to analyze and Decker missed the most of the year so that could have had a large ripple effect. I at least think the OL has talent going into 2018. 
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I posted about it during the year but the complexity of Ron Prince’s run blocking made no sense. The results speak for themselves, and it was compounded by Caldwell/JBC being passing game specialists.

Paul Pasqualoni gave Patricia his first job and is one of like four guys from the 2001 Syracuse team? Not too worried about it, I think the HC will be tinkering with both coordinators. I like the d-line coach a lot, used to coach Saban’s D-line but got clipped for recruiting by violation (visiting outside designated period.)

I think they’re gonna let Ziggy walk, right?

 
BobbyLayne said:
I posted about it during the year but the complexity of Ron Prince’s run blocking made no sense. The results speak for themselves, and it was compounded by Caldwell/JBC being passing game specialists.

Paul Pasqualoni gave Patricia his first job and is one of like four guys from the 2001 Syracuse team? Not too worried about it, I think the HC will be tinkering with both coordinators. I like the d-line coach a lot, used to coach Saban’s D-line but got clipped for recruiting by violation (visiting outside designated period.)

I think they’re gonna let Ziggy walk, right?
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I was thinking they tag him. The FA market for DEs is totally bare.

 
Mt. Man said:
I think a few playoff wins or (mostly likely and) a NFC title game appearance would be enough to make most fans okay with extending this group a little longer. If you can win a division title or two, all the better, though at the moment that's essentially asking Rodgers to retire and the Vikings to not bother hiring a QB. The Lions don't necessary need to win 13 to go somewhere in the playoffs, though of course I'm not saying 'no' to it. 
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I view the Quinn/Patricia regime on a two-track basis. Obviously, the long-term goal is to win a Super Bowl, and if they never do that, they almost certainly won't last in their jobs. (The only coaches I can think of that have hung on with their teams for a long time without winning a Super Bowl are Cowher, Fischer and Marvin Lewis. The former works for an organization that never fires coaches, and the latter two, well, that's not exactly the model I would want my franchise to follow; also, both Cowher and Fischer did at least make it to the Super Bowl early in their tenures.)

On the other hand, even though I supported the decisions to fire both Schwartz and Caldwell, I think you can make the case that their tenures were "successful". Schwartz inherited a team coming off an 0-16 season and within three years had them in the playoffs for the first time in a decade. Caldwell delivered winning records in three of his four seasons (and the fourth was 7-9 with two absolutely fluke losses) and made the playoffs twice. The problem in both cases was that they seemed to have taken their respective teams as far as they could go.

By that standard, if Q/P can build on that foundation -- a division championship, a playoff win, a decent record against +.500 teams -- I'll consider that a success, even if they run out of steam by 2022 and need to be replaced.

Of course, success in the NFL is rarely linear -- it's not like you gradually improve until you finally win a Super Bowl -- but you do have to put yourself in a position to make a run. First, you have to make the playoffs. Then (as Caldwell learned) you have to be able to beat good teams. But as the Ravens and Giants have shown, if you get yourself into that position, it just takes one hot streak to put you over the top. If they build that foundation but never hit that hot streak, they probably won't last. But the Lions will still be better for it.

 
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I'm still not sure Caldwell took them as far as he could- the defense was very good at first and the Lions got hosed in the playoffs against Dallas. The last 2 years, the D was near league bottom in talent. 

 
Da Guru said:
After listening to The Ticket for so long Valenti is so predictable.  First of all he wants to trade Stafford..then he says they have to pay him.  2 years ago he says Verlander is done and will never be worth a dam anymore. Plus his obsession with Harbaugh and Michigan is annoying.  Valenti has single handily made me hate MSU..I know it is crazy but I want them to lose in football because of him.  Plus the way he treated Foster when he came back after his stroke was appalling.  I never like Terry but Valenti was downright rude when Terry was struggling to get his words out.

Valenti  patterned his career like Rush Limbaugh and Howard Stern.   To have good ratings you need more than the people who like you, you need the people who hate you to listen as well.  I have run into those guys a few times.  I will say this I have talked to Rob Parker a couple times at a bar...Rob is the nicest, friendly guy in person who loved talking sports. Wojo is the same way.   Valenti acts like he is above everyone.  The biggest doosh of all though is Mike Stone...plus he always looks so dirty and grubby.
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At least on occasion Mike Stone says something funny. This Valenti guy sounds like the lead Jerky Boy with an amputated funny bone. 

 
Ilov80s said:
I'm still not sure Caldwell took them as far as he could- the defense was very good at first and the Lions got hosed in the playoffs against Dallas. The last 2 years, the D was near league bottom in talent. 
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That's fair. I just meant it in the sense that he wasn't going to take them further. He had them in the mix for the playoffs every year, but they weren't going to become a Super Bowl contender with him in there.

(And by the way, they did get hosed by the refs in that game, but Caldwell's passivity contributed to it as well. After the DPI flag was mysteriously picked up, Caldwell neglected to go for it on 4th down. Garrett was much more aggressive and Dallas' fourth-down conversions were key to their victory).

 
zftcg said:
That's fair. I just meant it in the sense that he wasn't going to take them further. He had them in the mix for the playoffs every year, but they weren't going to become a Super Bowl contender with him in there.

(And by the way, they did get hosed by the refs in that game, but Caldwell's passivity contributed to it as well. After the DPI flag was mysteriously picked up, Caldwell neglected to go for it on 4th down. Garrett was much more aggressive and Dallas' fourth-down conversions were key to their victory).
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I agree that he was too passive/traditional.

 
Biggest problem going forward is how many NFC horses they have stay even with and/or pass up. The 6 that made the playoffs, teams that just missed like Dallas/Seattle, and teams like Green Bay and San Fran that are maybe on their way back up.

 
Leroy Hoard said:
Biggest problem going forward is how many NFC horses they have stay even with and/or pass up. The 6 that made the playoffs, teams that just missed like Dallas/Seattle, and teams like Green Bay and San Fran that are maybe on their way back up.
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Eh, you can't think that way. There are always going to be good teams. But things can also change quickly. A year ago we all figured Seattle was going to be an NFC power for a long time, and the Rams were a laughingstock. Green Bay looked like they had a stranglehold on the division, now it looks like Minny will. 

If Patricia helps turn the Lions into a good football team, the rest will take care of itself.

 
Leroy Hoard said:
Biggest problem going forward is how many NFC horses they have stay even with and/or pass up. The 6 that made the playoffs, teams that just missed like Dallas/Seattle, and teams like Green Bay and San Fran that are maybe on their way back up.
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True but Seattle seems on the downswing- D is falling apart, OL is awful, very weak collection of skill players.

Dallas is pretty jeckyl/hyde- I'm not worried about them.

Green Bay has Rodgers which is great but  the rest of the team is pretty mediocre and aging.

Let's wait until the 49ers finish a year 500 before we worry about them. They have a ridiculous amount of money tied up in a guy with like 6 NFL starts.

 
The Lions offense seems pretty steady for next year except at RB. The OL could always use more depth in FA or later in the draft but unless a value really jumps out, I don't think they need to force the OL. Fells and Roberts aren't exciting options at TE, can really only play a traditional inline role. Ebron did end the year strong and while he's expensive next year, I think the team is potvcommitted at this point. Jones, Tate, Golladay, TJ is a pretty good WR group-especially if Golladay takes a step. 

The big question is what do they do at RB? Cut AA? Cut Theo? How high do they draft a RB? Do they try cheap options like McKinnon, Burkhead, Dion? 

 
Caldwell is the definition of an average coach.  I couldn't believe he got another head job when he was hired by the Lions and was even more surprised they kept him so long.  Would much rather try a younger unproven guy than take what Caldwell gives you year after year.  Which is no chance at a Superbowl

 
Ilov80s said:
The Lions offense seems pretty steady for next year except at RB. The OL could always use more depth in FA or later in the draft but unless a value really jumps out, I don't think they need to force the OL. Fells and Roberts aren't exciting options at TE, can really only play a traditional inline role. Ebron did end the year strong and while he's expensive next year, I think the team is potvcommitted at this point. Jones, Tate, Golladay, TJ is a pretty good WR group-especially if Golladay takes a step. 

The big question is what do they do at RB? Cut AA? Cut Theo? How high do they draft a RB? Do they try cheap options like McKinnon, Burkhead, Dion? 
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Draft the best front 7 player in round 1  

Sony Michel/Ronald Jones II in round2 If available.  

Look for a Guard in FA,

Cut Ameer,

If you cant address RB early in the draft possibly sign Blount on the cheap and pair with Riddick/T.Green

 
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bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Draft the best front 7 player in round 1  

Sony Michel/Ronald Jones II in round2 If available.  

Look for a Guard in FA,

Cut Ameer,

If you cant address RB early in the draft possibly sign Blount on the cheap and pair with Riddick/T.Green
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Ugh, I don’t say this often, but I’ll pass on Blount. Use a mid round pick on a rb. Or sell the farm to get barkley. If saquon somehow gets to 4 and Cleveland is listening do what it takes to move up. 

 
Ilov80s said:
The Lions offense seems pretty steady for next year except at RB. The OL could always use more depth in FA or later in the draft but unless a value really jumps out, I don't think they need to force the OL. Fells and Roberts aren't exciting options at TE, can really only play a traditional inline role. Ebron did end the year strong and while he's expensive next year, I think the team is potvcommitted at this point. Jones, Tate, Golladay, TJ is a pretty good WR group-especially if Golladay takes a step. 

The big question is what do they do at RB? Cut AA? Cut Theo? How high do they draft a RB? Do they try cheap options like McKinnon, Burkhead, Dion? 
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I'm hoping they grab a RB in the 2nd/3rd round.  At this point they should cut bait with AA imo.

 
AA does seem like the guy to go when the new RB comes in. Theo will still have the 3rd down role, hope they get someone with size that can create his own hole. 

L. Bell coming back home to Michigan would be tempting to go after, but with this line vs. the Steelers line, he who hesitates here is lost.

 
Leroy Hoard said:
AA does seem like the guy to go when the new RB comes in. Theo will still have the 3rd down role, hope they get someone with size that can create his own hole. 

L. Bell coming back home to Michigan would be tempting to go after, but with this line vs. the Steelers line, he who hesitates here is lost.
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Bell's going to be too pricey. I'm not sure what AA's cap situation is but if it's reasonable to cut him, than let's cut him. Theo can stay as a slot/3rd down RB. I think my ideal combo is sign Burkhead and draft a Royce Freeman or Mark Walton in the 4th round.

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Draft the best front 7 player in round 1  

Sony Michel/Ronald Jones II in round2 If available.  

Look for a Guard in FA,

Cut Ameer,

If you cant address RB early in the draft possibly sign Blount on the cheap and pair with Riddick/T.Green
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I agree with most of this, but not Blount. Dion Lewis is an UFA, rumors are flying about C.J. Anderson getting cut, Jeremy Hill, Demarco Murray. There at least a half dozen backs, not counting rookies, that I would take a run at in free agency before Blount. 

 
msudaisy26 said:
I agree with most of this, but not Blount. Dion Lewis is an UFA, rumors are flying about C.J. Anderson getting cut, Jeremy Hill, Demarco Murray. There at least a half dozen backs, not counting rookies, that I would take a run at in free agency before Blount. 
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Another day, another article about Lewis to Detroit (rotoworld). We have some New England guys in there now so naturally our rbs next year will be Blount and Lewis. After the last 4 years of trying to bang out a run game with 200 lb rbs I hope we go a different direction. I’m not really hoping they sell the farm for barkley but if he slides to 4-5 I think it should be considered. What would it cost to move from 20 to 4? A 2nd (outside of slay our 2nds have been terrible) and a 1st next year? I don’t think that’s insane to do or sets us back much. I agree it’s certainly more likely that we use a 2nd-4th, or go the fa route. 

 
Snorkelson said:
Another day, another article about Lewis to Detroit (rotoworld). We have some New England guys in there now so naturally our rbs next year will be Blount and Lewis. After the last 4 years of trying to bang out a run game with 200 lb rbs I hope we go a different direction. I’m not really hoping they sell the farm for barkley but if he slides to 4-5 I think it should be considered. What would it cost to move from 20 to 4? A 2nd (outside of slay our 2nds have been terrible) and a 1st next year? I don’t think that’s insane to do or sets us back much. I agree it’s certainly more likely that we use a 2nd-4th, or go the fa route. 
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Without looking at the chart I would guess it would be a 2018 1st, 2nd, 4th and 2019 1st and 4th. 

 
I’m sorry I even mentioned it, it certainly is a pipe dream. Read a stupid article that mention them as a team that could move up for him. If he gets past 5 I don’t think it’s cost prohibitive though. 

Trade chart-

pick 5 1700

pick 20 850

pick 52 380

so a first this year and next and a 2nd, not terrible for a generational talent. And that’s a little above value. 

 
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Ilov80s said:
So @TartanLion and I ran the Lions mock for the Shark Pool. Here is what we got:

Rd 1: DE/OLB Harold Landry - Boston College

Rd 2: DT Tim Settles - Virginia Tech

Rd 3: RB Rashaad Penny- San Diego State

How did we do?
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Excellent. Addresses serious needs. I’m interested to see if Settles drops that far in the 2nd. Penny is who I see the Lions taking as I don’t see them drafting a RB until the 3rd this year. 

 
ffweasel said:
Excellent. Addresses serious needs. I’m interested to see if Settles drops that far in the 2nd. Penny is who I see the Lions taking as I don’t see them drafting a RB until the 3rd this year. 
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Thanks. I'm guessing Settle does very well at the combine and doesn't make it that far but who knows

 
King of the Jungle said:
They did not have much of a choice. Poor planning ahead to end up with the front line they have. Reminds me of when they passed on Aaron Donald when Suh had one year left.
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well at least that move was what really led to the dismissal of Martin Mayhew, passed on two hall of fame caliber players and take TE Ebron....sheesh

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
not taking a RB instead of tez tabor is going to hurt too, well they can make up for it this year, but they have so many holes in that front 7.....
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The Teez pick better show some fruit this year because there were several better CB prospects on the board when Teez was taken. Many of them are already paying dividends. 

 
Thought Teez was beginning to look decent towards end of season, I remain hopeful that he could be in line for a good second season 

 
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