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2012 Presidential Election - Romney vs Obama

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Obama and Romney have apparently the general election season with Santorum dropping out of the race. Both are training their guns at each other now. Let's look at the opening week of the campaign and what strategies they have chosen.

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RCP's collection of polls between Romney and Obama: Current average is Obama +4.3

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

Week 1

President Barack Obama - When you are the incumbent, one of the most basic winning strategies is to focus on areas of agreement between you and your challenger. Doing this gives the illusion that there is little-to-no difference who wins the election. This can be an effective attack because it can kill enthusiasm for voting for your challenger.

This is the opening salvo of the Obama campaign in its opening week. Two stories highlight this plan of attack. One is where Team Obama says Ronald Reagan would have supported the Buffett Tax, even calling it the Reagan Tax to drive home the point. The purpose of this is to make the two parties look similar, as if the voters have no choice. A good way to do that is to take one of the GOP's idol's and make it seem like he'd support Obama. The second move was where Team Obama celebrated Romneycare's 6th birthday. Again, this serves to bring Romneycare back into the news cycle and highlight how the two candidates are similar. It is designed to reinforce doubt that Romney would ever repeal Obamacare.

Governor Mitt Romney - Team Romney has opened by fighting concerns that he is doing poorly with women vs Obama. The chosen line of attack in week 1 has been to focus on democratic strategist and CNN contributor Hilary Rosen's comments that Mitt Romney's wife Ann "has never worked a day in her life." Team Romney has used remark to criticize the democratic party and have tied it to Team Obama.

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Vice-President watch

When will Romney select a vice President? Looking at history:

McCain selected Palin on August 29th.

Kerry selected Edwards on July 5th.

Bush selected Cheney on July 25th.

Gore selected Lieberman on August 7th.

Dole selected Kemp on August 10th.

Clinton selected Gore on July 9th.

Bush selected Quayle on August 17th.

We may not see a choice for at least another 3 months.

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Campaign Slogans

Romney has chosen "Believe in America" which taps into anti-government sentiment, and could be used to frame this as a choice between believing in more government from Obama and believing in yourself.

Obama has stumbled in finding a campaign slogan, compared to 2008's "Change we can believe in." He's rifled through several ideas already including "Winning the Future", "We Can't Wait", "An America Built to Last", "An Economy Built to Last", "Are You In?", "Are You Ready?" and "A Fair Shot".

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The only interesting question is if Santorum is a lock to be the 2016 GOP nominee or whether Huntsman or someone like Ryan might be able to challenge.

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The only interesting question is if Santorum is a lock to be the 2016 GOP nominee or whether Huntsman or someone like Ryan might be able to challenge.

This is a close race. No-one is expecting a blowout. But, the attitude displayed above would be a good line of attack from Team Obama. Assertively state that the election is already over and Obama has already won, thereby hopefully killing republican enthusiasm.

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The only interesting question is if Santorum is a lock to be the 2016 GOP nominee or whether Huntsman or someone like Ryan might be able to challenge.

This is a close race. No-one is expecting a blowout. But, the attitude displayed above would be a good line of attack from Team Obama. Assertively state that the election is already over and Obama has already won, thereby hopefully killing republican enthusiasm.
That would backfire

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Still wondering if Obama sticks with Biden. I am more sure that Rubio will be Romney's VP choice than I am Biden will be Obama's.

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Still wondering if Obama sticks with Biden. I am more sure that Rubio will be Romney's VP choice than I am Biden will be Obama's.

no real surprise but neither of your predications/speculations will come true.

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Still wondering if Obama sticks with Biden. I am more sure that Rubio will be Romney's VP choice than I am Biden will be Obama's.

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Still wondering if Obama sticks with Biden. I am more sure that Rubio will be Romney's VP choice than I am Biden will be Obama's.

no real surprise but neither of your predications/speculations will come true.
What fun is life unless you are a bit adventurous?

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The Romney campaign does have a tough decision as far as VP. It should beinteresting how it shakes out and if they are going with a woman/minority vs a southern conservative vs a popular person from a swing state. I think they will go the swing state route, someone popular in that their state, but dull.

The perfect candidate would be a black, female army general who is governor of Ohio (but raised in Mississippi) who is fiercely conservative and pro-life.

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The Romney campaign does have a tough decision as far as VP. It should beinteresting how it shakes out and if they are going with a woman/minority vs a southern conservative vs a popular person from a swing state. I think they will go the swing state route, someone popular in that their state, but dull.

The perfect candidate would be a black, female army general who is governor of Ohio (but raised in Mississippi) who is fiercely conservative and pro-life.

IMO, the pattern to selecting vice presidents is:

1. If the nominee is an outsider or a fresh face, select an insider to calm fears that the new administration lacks experience.

examples: Obama selects Biden, Bush selects Cheney, Dukakis selects Bentsen, Clinton selects Gore, Carter selects Mondale, Reagan selects Bush.

2. If the nominee is an insider or very experienced, select a fresh face or potentially charismatic person to add energy to the ticket.

examples: McCain selects Palin, Kerry selects Edwards, Dole selects Kemp, Bush selects Quayle, Mondale selects Ferraro.

3. The your party was tainted by major scandal in the last 4 years, select a running mate seen as trustworthy.

examples: Ford selects Dole, Gore selects Lieberman

Romney probably fits #2. Although its possible that the credit crisis, endless blaming of Bush, and the attempts to make the GOP seem incompetent may push the GOP into #3, where they select someone who is seen as trustworthy from the standpoint of finding someone extra competent.

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Condi Rice has to be on the very short list.

I think she would be a great pick. That's a good reason it wont happen. I don't think she's interested in running for office anyway.

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Condi Rice has to be on the very short list.

I think she would be a great pick. That's a good reason it wont happen. I don't think she's interested in running for office anyway.

She has stated that she has no interest in running for public office.

I do find the love affair with some of the left leaners on the board with Condi less than trustworthy. I remember hearing a ton of left leaning friends make similar comments about McCain circa 2000 with the added comments of things like 'they will never nominate him' and then man did they run away from him when he was actually nominated.

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Condi Rice has to be on the very short list.

I think she would be a great pick. That's a good reason it wont happen. I don't think she's interested in running for office anyway.
She has stated that she has no interest in running for public office. I do find the love affair with some of the left leaners on the board with Condi less than trustworthy. I remember hearing a ton of left leaning friends make similar comments about McCain circa 2000 with the added comments of things like 'they will never nominate him' and then man did they run away from him when he was actually nominated.
I could be wrong, but I dont think she is particualry popular with left leaners.

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Ohio senator Rob Portman might be Mitt's guy.

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Condi Rice has to be on the very short list.

She'd be a great choice. You'd have to think the right would come out in droves for a ticket that featured a Mormon and a lesbian.

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Condi Rice has to be on the very short list.

I think she would be a great pick. That's a good reason it wont happen. I don't think she's interested in running for office anyway.

She has stated that she has no interest in running for public office.

I do find the love affair with some of the left leaners on the board with Condi less than trustworthy. I remember hearing a ton of left leaning friends make similar comments about McCain circa 2000 with the added comments of things like 'they will never nominate him' and then man did they run away from him when he was actually nominated.

Joe Biden saying he is not interested in being Veep and would not accept it.

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I think the VP choice will be either Rubio, Christie, or Ryan

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Condi Rice has to be on the very short list.

I think she would be a great pick. That's a good reason it wont happen. I don't think she's interested in running for office anyway.
She has stated that she has no interest in running for public office. I do find the love affair with some of the left leaners on the board with Condi less than trustworthy. I remember hearing a ton of left leaning friends make similar comments about McCain circa 2000 with the added comments of things like 'they will never nominate him' and then man did they run away from him when he was actually nominated.
I could be wrong, but I dont think she is particualry popular with left leaners.
I said left leaners on the board like you and several others (look at the immigrant condi thread for similar comments), not crazy whack job partisan hacks like BigSteelThrill.

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Condi Rice has to be on the very short list.

I think she would be a great pick. That's a good reason it wont happen. I don't think she's interested in running for office anyway.

She has stated that she has no interest in running for public office.

I do find the love affair with some of the left leaners on the board with Condi less than trustworthy. I remember hearing a ton of left leaning friends make similar comments about McCain circa 2000 with the added comments of things like 'they will never nominate him' and then man did they run away from him when he was actually nominated.

Joe Biden saying he is not interested in being Veep and would not accept it.

Thats the standard line. However, Biden is a politiican who had run for office multiple times. Rice has never run for office. IF she were interested in politics she would have run for Senator of California or something like that.

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Condi Rice has to be on the very short list.

I think she would be a great pick. That's a good reason it wont happen. I don't think she's interested in running for office anyway.

She has stated that she has no interest in running for public office.

I do find the love affair with some of the left leaners on the board with Condi less than trustworthy. I remember hearing a ton of left leaning friends make similar comments about McCain circa 2000 with the added comments of things like 'they will never nominate him' and then man did they run away from him when he was actually nominated.

Joe Biden saying he is not interested in being Veep and would not accept it.

The big difference is that she has never attempted a run for any public office.

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Condi Rice has to be on the very short list.

I think she would be a great pick. That's a good reason it wont happen. I don't think she's interested in running for office anyway.

She has stated that she has no interest in running for public office.

I do find the love affair with some of the left leaners on the board with Condi less than trustworthy. I remember hearing a ton of left leaning friends make similar comments about McCain circa 2000 with the added comments of things like 'they will never nominate him' and then man did they run away from him when he was actually nominated.

They didn't nominate McCain circa 2000.

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Campaign Slogans

Romney has chosen "Believe in America" which taps into anti-government sentiment, and could be used to frame this as a choice between believing in more government from Obama and believing in yourself.

Obama has stumbled in finding a campaign slogan, compared to 2008's "Change we can believe in." He's rifled through several ideas already including "Winning the Future", "We Can't Wait", "An America Built to Last", "An Economy Built to Last", "Are You In?", "Are You Ready?" and "A Fair Shot".

That's what she said?

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Condi Rice has to be on the very short list.

She'd be a great choice. You'd have to think the right would come out in droves for a ticket that featured a Mormon and a lesbian.
:goodposting::lmao:

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Condi Rice has to be on the very short list.

I think she would be a great pick. That's a good reason it wont happen. I don't think she's interested in running for office anyway.

She has stated that she has no interest in running for public office.

I do find the love affair with some of the left leaners on the board with Condi less than trustworthy. I remember hearing a ton of left leaning friends make similar comments about McCain circa 2000 with the added comments of things like 'they will never nominate him' and then man did they run away from him when he was actually nominated.

They didn't nominate McCain circa 2000.
I think you may have missed the point of that.

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Romney has chosen "Believe in America" which taps into anti-government sentiment, and could be used to frame this as a choice between believing in more government from Obama and believing in yourself.

Obama has stumbled in finding a campaign slogan, compared to 2008's "Change we can believe in." He's rifled through several ideas already including "Winning the Future", "We Can't Wait", "An America Built to Last", "An Economy Built to Last", "Are You In?", "Are You Ready?" and "A Fair Shot".

Wow, these surpass the other 'bad' ones with being most likely to explode in your face.

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Condi Rice has to be on the very short list.

I think she would be a great pick. That's a good reason it wont happen. I don't think she's interested in running for office anyway.

She has stated that she has no interest in running for public office.

I do find the love affair with some of the left leaners on the board with Condi less than trustworthy. I remember hearing a ton of left leaning friends make similar comments about McCain circa 2000 with the added comments of things like 'they will never nominate him' and then man did they run away from him when he was actually nominated.

They didn't nominate McCain circa 2000.
I think you may have missed the point of that.
I think you may have missed the point of your left leaning friends.

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Condi Rice has to be on the very short list.

I think she would be a great pick. That's a good reason it wont happen. I don't think she's interested in running for office anyway.

She has stated that she has no interest in running for public office.

I do find the love affair with some of the left leaners on the board with Condi less than trustworthy. I remember hearing a ton of left leaning friends make similar comments about McCain circa 2000 with the added comments of things like 'they will never nominate him' and then man did they run away from him when he was actually nominated.

Joe Biden saying he is not interested in being Veep and would not accept it.

The big difference is that she has never attempted a run for any public office.
Well there are plenty of personal differences between Biden and Rice. If we want to play that game, we can dismiss everyone for not being Biden. I'm just pointing out that the highlighted statement you made is no reason to dismiss her.

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Condi Rice has to be on the very short list.

I think she would be a great pick. That's a good reason it wont happen. I don't think she's interested in running for office anyway.

She has stated that she has no interest in running for public office.

I do find the love affair with some of the left leaners on the board with Condi less than trustworthy. I remember hearing a ton of left leaning friends make similar comments about McCain circa 2000 with the added comments of things like 'they will never nominate him' and then man did they run away from him when he was actually nominated.

They didn't nominate McCain circa 2000.
I think you may have missed the point of that.
I think you may have missed the point of your left leaning friends.
No, got it. They 'liked' him to show that they would vote for THIS Republican but not THAT one when it was 'safe' to say so. When it really presented it- they could not find enough bad things to rant about.

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Condi Rice has to be on the very short list.

I think she would be a great pick. That's a good reason it wont happen. I don't think she's interested in running for office anyway.

She has stated that she has no interest in running for public office.

I do find the love affair with some of the left leaners on the board with Condi less than trustworthy. I remember hearing a ton of left leaning friends make similar comments about McCain circa 2000 with the added comments of things like 'they will never nominate him' and then man did they run away from him when he was actually nominated.

Joe Biden saying he is not interested in being Veep and would not accept it.

The big difference is that she has never attempted a run for any public office.
Well there are plenty of personal differences between Biden and Rice. If we want to play that game, we can dismiss everyone for not being Biden. I'm just pointing out that the highlighted statement you made is no reason to dismiss her.
I am not dismissing her. I am stating a fact and following up with one reason why I believe it versus you example given.

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Condi Rice has to be on the very short list.

I think she would be a great pick. That's a good reason it wont happen. I don't think she's interested in running for office anyway.

She has stated that she has no interest in running for public office.

I do find the love affair with some of the left leaners on the board with Condi less than trustworthy. I remember hearing a ton of left leaning friends make similar comments about McCain circa 2000 with the added comments of things like 'they will never nominate him' and then man did they run away from him when he was actually nominated.

Joe Biden saying he is not interested in being Veep and would not accept it.

The big difference is that she has never attempted a run for any public office.
Well there are plenty of personal differences between Biden and Rice. If we want to play that game, we can dismiss everyone for not being Biden. I'm just pointing out that the highlighted statement you made is no reason to dismiss her.
I am not dismissing her. I am stating a fact and following up with one reason why I believe it versus you example given.
I just don't see why that disqualifies her. Its not like she would even run a long campaign. She'd likely join the ticket in July or August and campaign with Romney for about 3 months.

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Condi Rice has to be on the very short list.

I think she would be a great pick. That's a good reason it wont happen. I don't think she's interested in running for office anyway.

She has stated that she has no interest in running for public office.

I do find the love affair with some of the left leaners on the board with Condi less than trustworthy. I remember hearing a ton of left leaning friends make similar comments about McCain circa 2000 with the added comments of things like 'they will never nominate him' and then man did they run away from him when he was actually nominated.

Joe Biden saying he is not interested in being Veep and would not accept it.

The big difference is that she has never attempted a run for any public office.
Well there are plenty of personal differences between Biden and Rice. If we want to play that game, we can dismiss everyone for not being Biden. I'm just pointing out that the highlighted statement you made is no reason to dismiss her.
I am not dismissing her. I am stating a fact and following up with one reason why I believe it versus you example given.
I just don't see why that disqualifies her. Its not like she would even run a long campaign. She'd likely join the ticket in July or August and campaign with Romney for about 3 months.
It does not disqualify her. I just see her being more Colin Powell than Joseph Biden.

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Mitt Romney warns NRA against an 'unrestrained' second-term ObamaMitt Romney drew a warm reception from the National Rifle Assn. on Friday as he attacked President Obama for “employing every imaginable ruse and ploy” to restrict gun rights, which Romney pledged not to do if elected in November.Romney took a page from the NRA leadership, which has been saying that the president is waiting for a second term to crack down on firearms. He warned that Obama would “remake” the Supreme Court in a second term, threatening constitutional freedoms.“In a second term, he would be unrestrained by the demands of re-election,” Romney told a crowd estimated at 6,000 in the cavernous Edward Jones Dome. “As he told the Russian president last month when he thought no one else was listening, after a re-election he’ll have a lot more, quote, 'flexibility' to do what he wants. I’m not exactly sure what he meant by that, but looking at his first three years, I have a very good idea.”Referring specifically to the right to bear arms, Romney said: “If we are going to safeguard our 2nd Amendment, it is time to elect a president who will defend the rights President Obama ignores or minimizes. I will.”

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The only interesting question is if Santorum is a lock to be the 2016 GOP nominee or whether Huntsman or someone like Ryan might be able to challenge.

This is a close race. No-one is expecting a blowout. But, the attitude displayed above would be a good line of attack from Team Obama. Assertively state that the election is already over and Obama has already won, thereby hopefully killing republican enthusiasm.
This is not going to be a close race regardless of what you think. It may be close now in some polls but Obama hasnt even tapped into his reserves yet or gone into attack mode. Romney is a horrible candidate to go head to head vs Obama.

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Mitt Romney warns NRA against an 'unrestrained' second-term ObamaMitt Romney drew a warm reception from the National Rifle Assn. on Friday as he attacked President Obama for “employing every imaginable ruse and ploy” to restrict gun rights, which Romney pledged not to do if elected in November.Romney took a page from the NRA leadership, which has been saying that the president is waiting for a second term to crack down on firearms. He warned that Obama would “remake” the Supreme Court in a second term, threatening constitutional freedoms.“In a second term, he would be unrestrained by the demands of re-election,” Romney told a crowd estimated at 6,000 in the cavernous Edward Jones Dome. “As he told the Russian president last month when he thought no one else was listening, after a re-election he’ll have a lot more, quote, 'flexibility' to do what he wants. I’m not exactly sure what he meant by that, but looking at his first three years, I have a very good idea.”Referring specifically to the right to bear arms, Romney said: “If we are going to safeguard our 2nd Amendment, it is time to elect a president who will defend the rights President Obama ignores or minimizes. I will.”

This is exhibit #453 why Romney is running a horrid campaign. He is basically pandering to every group he talks to and obviously using the scare tactic method.

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Vice-President watch

When will Romney select a vice President? Looking at history:

McCain selected Palin on August 29th.

Kerry selected Edwards on July 5th.

Bush selected Cheney on July 25th.

Gore selected Lieberman on August 7th.

Dole selected Kemp on August 10th.

Clinton selected Gore on July 9th.

Bush selected Quayle on August 17th.

We may not see a choice for at least another 3 months.

Throw in Joe Biden name into that ring, and it seems the best way to kill a political future is to accept the VP nomination. Bush Sr. is the last one it worked out for. Of course both Biden and Cheney were more moves to bring gravitas to the ticket, of course now the thought of Biden bringing gravitas is a big joke.

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Vice-President watch

When will Romney select a vice President? Looking at history:

McCain selected Palin on August 29th.

Kerry selected Edwards on July 5th.

Bush selected Cheney on July 25th.

Gore selected Lieberman on August 7th.

Dole selected Kemp on August 10th.

Clinton selected Gore on July 9th.

Bush selected Quayle on August 17th.

We may not see a choice for at least another 3 months.

Throw in Joe Biden name into that ring, and it seems the best way to kill a political future is to accept the VP nomination. Bush Sr. is the last one it worked out for. Of course both Biden and Cheney were more moves to bring gravitas to the ticket, of course now the thought of Biden bringing gravitas is a big joke.
Cheney brought gravitas to the ticket?

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Mitt Romney warns NRA against an 'unrestrained' second-term ObamaMitt Romney drew a warm reception from the National Rifle Assn. on Friday as he attacked President Obama for “employing every imaginable ruse and ploy” to restrict gun rights, which Romney pledged not to do if elected in November.Romney took a page from the NRA leadership, which has been saying that the president is waiting for a second term to crack down on firearms. He warned that Obama would “remake” the Supreme Court in a second term, threatening constitutional freedoms.“In a second term, he would be unrestrained by the demands of re-election,” Romney told a crowd estimated at 6,000 in the cavernous Edward Jones Dome. “As he told the Russian president last month when he thought no one else was listening, after a re-election he’ll have a lot more, quote, 'flexibility' to do what he wants. I’m not exactly sure what he meant by that, but looking at his first three years, I have a very good idea.”Referring specifically to the right to bear arms, Romney said: “If we are going to safeguard our 2nd Amendment, it is time to elect a president who will defend the rights President Obama ignores or minimizes. I will.”

This is exhibit #453 why Romney is running a horrid campaign. He is basically pandering to every group he talks to and obviously using the scare tactic method.
I agree, I have little confidence in Romney running a good campaign. He needs to focus on the budget deficit like a laser beam and make that issue #1, which is by far the issue that Obama is weak on especially with independent voters, but will also play very well to the conservative base. It is a better issue for Romney than even jobs. If Romney focuses on the budget, he will be the next President.

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