ImTheScientist
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, draft order doesn't matter when the games start. 3 years from now people won't care about it. Performance on the field is it.Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
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, draft order doesn't matter when the games start. 3 years from now people won't care about it. Performance on the field is it.
drummer
Footballguy
I hear the same argument for Alex Smith.How is he far from it? 13Tds, 2 4th Q comeback wins, victories over Romo, Rodgers, Brady, Newton, 10th in the league in QB rating...... pretty damn good. I would venture to bet only a minority of people were saying Brees was better than Vick early on as well.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
That he is better than Aaron Rodgers?I hear the same argument for Alex Smith.How is he far from it? 13Tds, 2 4th Q comeback wins, victories over Romo, Rodgers, Brady, Newton, 10th in the league in QB rating...... pretty damn good. I would venture to bet only a minority of people were saying Brees was better than Vick early on as well.
I highly doubt it
drummer
Footballguy
Wilson didn't beat Smith did he?That he is better than Aaron Rodgers?I hear the same argument for Alex Smith.How is he far from it? 13Tds, 2 4th Q comeback wins, victories over Romo, Rodgers, Brady, Newton, 10th in the league in QB rating...... pretty damn good. I would venture to bet only a minority of people were saying Brees was better than Vick early on as well.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Hilarious pimping the victory over Romo and Newton.Oh, and Luck beat Rodgers too...by throwing an actual TD.How is he far from it? 13Tds, 2 4th Q comeback wins, victories over Romo, Rodgers, Brady, Newton, 10th in the league in QB rating...... pretty damn good. I would venture to bet only a minority of people were saying Brees was better than Vick early on as well.
drummer
Footballguy
SEA in near the bottom in total yards and passing on offense. IND is on the top ten in both those categories.Hilarious pimping the victory over Romo and Newton.Oh, and Luck beat Rodgers too...by throwing an actual TD.How is he far from it? 13Tds, 2 4th Q comeback wins, victories over Romo, Rodgers, Brady, Newton, 10th in the league in QB rating...... pretty damn good. I would venture to bet only a minority of people were saying Brees was better than Vick early on as well.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Wouldn't need help if the Pack hadn't gotten plenty of their own on their go ahead TD drive.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
You felt the need to say it three times in two posts.
biju
Footballguy
Just so we're super clear here, you're also stating based on those two stats that Luck is better than Matt Ryan and Aaron Rodgers so I think your marker for that is off. I see a guy who's being forced to throw the ball and isn't accurate (56.5% - 29th in the league) but gets a lot of attempts (336 - 2nd most in the league). He gains 7.15 yards per attempt which is only marginally better than Russell Wilson. You're making it sound like they are worlds apart, but in reality Wilson has been much better with limited opportunities. Who's to say if he had as many opportunities to throw as Luck, let alone not having to split pre-season reps with two other players.SEA in near the bottom in total yards and passing on offense. IND is on the top ten in both those categories.Hilarious pimping the victory over Romo and Newton.Oh, and Luck beat Rodgers too...by throwing an actual TD.How is he far from it? 13Tds, 2 4th Q comeback wins, victories over Romo, Rodgers, Brady, Newton, 10th in the league in QB rating...... pretty damn good. I would venture to bet only a minority of people were saying Brees was better than Vick early on as well.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
http://youtu.be/V0p3lbaawPk?t=1m3sLooks good to me. You still crying about that?throwing an actual TD.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
He's a 49ers fan, and trolling.....Just so we're super clear here, you're also stating based on those two stats that Luck is better than Matt Ryan and Aaron Rodgers so I think your marker for that is off. I see a guy who's being forced to throw the ball and isn't accurate (56.5% - 29th in the league) but gets a lot of attempts (336 - 2nd most in the league). He gains 7.15 yards per attempt which is only marginally better than Russell Wilson. You're making it sound like they are worlds apart, but in reality Wilson has been much better with limited opportunities. Who's to say if he had as many opportunities to throw as Luck, let alone not having to split pre-season reps with two other players.SEA in near the bottom in total yards and passing on offense. IND is on the top ten in both those categories.Hilarious pimping the victory over Romo and Newton.Oh, and Luck beat Rodgers too...by throwing an actual TD.How is he far from it? 13Tds, 2 4th Q comeback wins, victories over Romo, Rodgers, Brady, Newton, 10th in the league in QB rating...... pretty damn good. I would venture to bet only a minority of people were saying Brees was better than Vick early on as well.
drummer
Footballguy
SEA. IND. Do you need some tea leaves and/or tarot cards to try to read more into this?Just so we're super clear here, you're also stating based on those two stats that Luck is better than Matt Ryan and Aaron Rodgers so I think your marker for that is off. I see a guy who's being forced to throw the ball and isn't accurate (56.5% - 29th in the league) but gets a lot of attempts (336 - 2nd most in the league). He gains 7.15 yards per attempt which is only marginally better than Russell Wilson. You're making it sound like they are worlds apart, but in reality Wilson has been much better with limited opportunities. Who's to say if he had as many opportunities to throw as Luck, let alone not having to split pre-season reps with two other players.SEA in near the bottom in total yards and passing on offense. IND is on the top ten in both those categories.Hilarious pimping the victory over Romo and Newton.Oh, and Luck beat Rodgers too...by throwing an actual TD.How is he far from it? 13Tds, 2 4th Q comeback wins, victories over Romo, Rodgers, Brady, Newton, 10th in the league in QB rating...... pretty damn good. I would venture to bet only a minority of people were saying Brees was better than Vick early on as well.
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Shawnky
Footballguy
Wilson has a great deal of help on that team. Seattle has a great D, a very good RB, and, IMO, some really good WRs. I love Rice. There's no way you wouldn't take Luck over Wilson if you could..........NO WAY!! If you're saying so, then you're only trying to convince yourself.How is he far from it? 13Tds, 2 4th Q comeback wins, victories over Romo, Rodgers, Brady, Newton, 10th in the league in QB rating...... pretty damn good. I would venture to bet only a minority of people were saying Brees was better than Vick early on as well.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I just traded him away last week. You guys are all welcome.
biju
Footballguy
I'm not sure what this means but I'm going to assume you didn't want logic to go into this thread. Sorry you don't have a better comeback.SEA. IND. Do you need some tea leaves and/or tarot cards to try to read more into this?Just so we're super clear here, you're also stating based on those two stats that Luck is better than Matt Ryan and Aaron Rodgers so I think your marker for that is off. I see a guy who's being forced to throw the ball and isn't accurate (56.5% - 29th in the league) but gets a lot of attempts (336 - 2nd most in the league). He gains 7.15 yards per attempt which is only marginally better than Russell Wilson. You're making it sound like they are worlds apart, but in reality Wilson has been much better with limited opportunities. Who's to say if he had as many opportunities to throw as Luck, let alone not having to split pre-season reps with two other players.SEA in near the bottom in total yards and passing on offense. IND is on the top ten in both those categories.Hilarious pimping the victory over Romo and Newton.Oh, and Luck beat Rodgers too...by throwing an actual TD.How is he far from it? 13Tds, 2 4th Q comeback wins, victories over Romo, Rodgers, Brady, Newton, 10th in the league in QB rating...... pretty damn good. I would venture to bet only a minority of people were saying Brees was better than Vick early on as well.
drummer
Footballguy
I think the talk is between two QB's in Luck and Wilson. I only included the two teams they play on, not the other teams they would 'hypothetically' play on, or compare them to some wanton imaginary argument you are trying to make out of nothing. I didn't say Matt Ryan, Aaron Rodgers, etc. If you have something to post about it, do it. If not, stop being a doosh.I'm not sure what this means but I'm going to assume you didn't want logic to go into this thread. Sorry you don't have a better comeback.SEA. IND. Do you need some tea leaves and/or tarot cards to try to read more into this?Just so we're super clear here, you're also stating based on those two stats that Luck is better than Matt Ryan and Aaron Rodgers so I think your marker for that is off. I see a guy who's being forced to throw the ball and isn't accurate (56.5% - 29th in the league) but gets a lot of attempts (336 - 2nd most in the league). He gains 7.15 yards per attempt which is only marginally better than Russell Wilson. You're making it sound like they are worlds apart, but in reality Wilson has been much better with limited opportunities. Who's to say if he had as many opportunities to throw as Luck, let alone not having to split pre-season reps with two other players.SEA in near the bottom in total yards and passing on offense. IND is on the top ten in both those categories.Hilarious pimping the victory over Romo and Newton.Oh, and Luck beat Rodgers too...by throwing an actual TD.How is he far from it? 13Tds, 2 4th Q comeback wins, victories over Romo, Rodgers, Brady, Newton, 10th in the league in QB rating...... pretty damn good. I would venture to bet only a minority of people were saying Brees was better than Vick early on as well.
biju
Footballguy
Here comes the name calling. Don't be angry with me, it's your terrible argument not mine.I think the talk is between two QB's in Luck and Wilson. I only included the two teams they play on, not the other teams they would 'hypothetically' play on, or compare them to some wanton imaginary argument you are trying to make out of nothing. I didn't say Matt Ryan, Aaron Rodgers, etc. If you have something to post about it, do it. If not, stop being a doosh.I'm not sure what this means but I'm going to assume you didn't want logic to go into this thread. Sorry you don't have a better comeback.SEA. IND. Do you need some tea leaves and/or tarot cards to try to read more into this?Just so we're super clear here, you're also stating based on those two stats that Luck is better than Matt Ryan and Aaron Rodgers so I think your marker for that is off. I see a guy who's being forced to throw the ball and isn't accurate (56.5% - 29th in the league) but gets a lot of attempts (336 - 2nd most in the league). He gains 7.15 yards per attempt which is only marginally better than Russell Wilson. You're making it sound like they are worlds apart, but in reality Wilson has been much better with limited opportunities. Who's to say if he had as many opportunities to throw as Luck, let alone not having to split pre-season reps with two other players.SEA in near the bottom in total yards and passing on offense. IND is on the top ten in both those categories.Hilarious pimping the victory over Romo and Newton.Oh, and Luck beat Rodgers too...by throwing an actual TD.How is he far from it? 13Tds, 2 4th Q comeback wins, victories over Romo, Rodgers, Brady, Newton, 10th in the league in QB rating...... pretty damn good. I would venture to bet only a minority of people were saying Brees was better than Vick early on as well.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I agree with all but the good WR parts. Rice is serviceable when someone else is a but threatening but he's been only a little above average. Tate is a ding dong who doesn't play every play.Wilson has a great deal of help on that team. Seattle has a great D, a very good RB, and, IMO, some really good WRs. I love Rice. There's no way you wouldn't take Luck over Wilson if you could..........NO WAY!! If you're saying so, then you're only trying to convince yourself.How is he far from it? 13Tds, 2 4th Q comeback wins, victories over Romo, Rodgers, Brady, Newton, 10th in the league in QB rating...... pretty damn good. I would venture to bet only a minority of people were saying Brees was better than Vick early on as well.
drummer
Footballguy
You know the difference between Ryan, Rodgers, Luck, and Wilson don't you? Something to do with Veterans vs. Rookies. That's the point. Again, if you want to be a doosh, fair play to ya. If you think my point is terrible, so be it. It's about as bad as saying Wilson beat out Rodgers, Brady, Romo. Yet lost to Alex Smith. Having fun with this yet? Hope so.Here comes the name calling. Don't be angry with me, it's your terrible argument not mine.I think the talk is between two QB's in Luck and Wilson. I only included the two teams they play on, not the other teams they would 'hypothetically' play on, or compare them to some wanton imaginary argument you are trying to make out of nothing. I didn't say Matt Ryan, Aaron Rodgers, etc. If you have something to post about it, do it. If not, stop being a doosh.I'm not sure what this means but I'm going to assume you didn't want logic to go into this thread. Sorry you don't have a better comeback.SEA. IND. Do you need some tea leaves and/or tarot cards to try to read more into this?Just so we're super clear here, you're also stating based on those two stats that Luck is better than Matt Ryan and Aaron Rodgers so I think your marker for that is off. I see a guy who's being forced to throw the ball and isn't accurate (56.5% - 29th in the league) but gets a lot of attempts (336 - 2nd most in the league). He gains 7.15 yards per attempt which is only marginally better than Russell Wilson. You're making it sound like they are worlds apart, but in reality Wilson has been much better with limited opportunities. Who's to say if he had as many opportunities to throw as Luck, let alone not having to split pre-season reps with two other players.SEA in near the bottom in total yards and passing on offense. IND is on the top ten in both those categories.Hilarious pimping the victory over Romo and Newton.Oh, and Luck beat Rodgers too...by throwing an actual TD.How is he far from it? 13Tds, 2 4th Q comeback wins, victories over Romo, Rodgers, Brady, Newton, 10th in the league in QB rating...... pretty damn good. I would venture to bet only a minority of people were saying Brees was better than Vick early on as well.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
I think your point or lack of an actual point is awful.....
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
10 years from now..... my answer is going to be YES I would take Wilson over Luck. Currently that can not be answered because more data is needed. Probably won't even be able to make a fair judgement on it for 3-4 years.'Shawnky said:Wilson has a great deal of help on that team. Seattle has a great D, a very good RB, and, IMO, some really good WRs. I love Rice. There's no way you wouldn't take Luck over Wilson if you could..........NO WAY!! If you're saying so, then you're only trying to convince yourself.'ImTheScientist said:How is he far from it? 13Tds, 2 4th Q comeback wins, victories over Romo, Rodgers, Brady, Newton, 10th in the league in QB rating...... pretty damn good. I would venture to bet only a minority of people were saying Brees was better than Vick early on as well.'Shawnky said:
drummer
Footballguy
Well, of course you think that.
Neofight
Footballguy
Being a homer you should disagree with the great D assertion as well. Their run D has been exposed over the last few weeks and even the pass D has been average at times. The O is carrying this team right now and Wilson is a huge part of that.'mad sweeney said:I agree with all but the good WR parts. Rice is serviceable when someone else is a but threatening but he's been only a little above average. Tate is a ding dong who doesn't play every play.'Shawnky said:Wilson has a great deal of help on that team. Seattle has a great D, a very good RB, and, IMO, some really good WRs. I love Rice. There's no way you wouldn't take Luck over Wilson if you could..........NO WAY!! If you're saying so, then you're only trying to convince yourself.'ImTheScientist said:How is he far from it? 13Tds, 2 4th Q comeback wins, victories over Romo, Rodgers, Brady, Newton, 10th in the league in QB rating...... pretty damn good. I would venture to bet only a minority of people were saying Brees was better than Vick early on as well.'Shawnky said:
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Meh. The Niners have probably the best run blocking team in the league plus Gore. AP was the league rushing leader going into Sunday. It's not like they're giving up major yardage to bottom half RBs. At worst I'd call them still a very good D, but they're young and will make some mistakes. If they get run up on by the Jets, then ill start to worry.Being a homer you should disagree with the great D assertion as well. Their run D has been exposed over the last few weeks and even the pass D has been average at times. The O is carrying this team right now and Wilson is a huge part of that.'mad sweeney said:I agree with all but the good WR parts. Rice is serviceable when someone else is a but threatening but he's been only a little above average. Tate is a ding dong who doesn't play every play.'Shawnky said:Wilson has a great deal of help on that team. Seattle has a great D, a very good RB, and, IMO, some really good WRs. I love Rice. There's no way you wouldn't take Luck over Wilson if you could..........NO WAY!! If you're saying so, then you're only trying to convince yourself.'ImTheScientist said:How is he far from it? 13Tds, 2 4th Q comeback wins, victories over Romo, Rodgers, Brady, Newton, 10th in the league in QB rating...... pretty damn good. I would venture to bet only a minority of people were saying Brees was better than Vick early on as well.'Shawnky said:
biju
Footballguy
The point is if you can't apply the logic across the board it is simply cherry picking data. Keep trolling away--it's really not frustrating me because you're making a fool of yourself and you don't even realize it. The fact that you keep name calling (and clearly can't spell) make it more amusing.Keep going--you're doing just fine.'drummer said:You know the difference between Ryan, Rodgers, Luck, and Wilson don't you? Something to do with Veterans vs. Rookies. That's the point. Again, if you want to be a doosh, fair play to ya. If you think my point is terrible, so be it. It's about as bad as saying Wilson beat out Rodgers, Brady, Romo. Yet lost to Alex Smith. Having fun with this yet? Hope so.'biju said:Here comes the name calling. Don't be angry with me, it's your terrible argument not mine.'drummer said:I think the talk is between two QB's in Luck and Wilson. I only included the two teams they play on, not the other teams they would 'hypothetically' play on, or compare them to some wanton imaginary argument you are trying to make out of nothing. I didn't say Matt Ryan, Aaron Rodgers, etc. If you have something to post about it, do it. If not, stop being a doosh.'biju said:I'm not sure what this means but I'm going to assume you didn't want logic to go into this thread. Sorry you don't have a better comeback.'drummer said:SEA. IND. Do you need some tea leaves and/or tarot cards to try to read more into this?'biju said:Just so we're super clear here, you're also stating based on those two stats that Luck is better than Matt Ryan and Aaron Rodgers so I think your marker for that is off. I see a guy who's being forced to throw the ball and isn't accurate (56.5% - 29th in the league) but gets a lot of attempts (336 - 2nd most in the league). He gains 7.15 yards per attempt which is only marginally better than Russell Wilson. You're making it sound like they are worlds apart, but in reality Wilson has been much better with limited opportunities. Who's to say if he had as many opportunities to throw as Luck, let alone not having to split pre-season reps with two other players.'drummer said:SEA in near the bottom in total yards and passing on offense. IND is on the top ten in both those categories.'sho nuff said:Hilarious pimping the victory over Romo and Newton.Oh, and Luck beat Rodgers too...by throwing an actual TD.'ImTheScientist said:How is he far from it? 13Tds, 2 4th Q comeback wins, victories over Romo, Rodgers, Brady, Newton, 10th in the league in QB rating...... pretty damn good. I would venture to bet only a minority of people were saying Brees was better than Vick early on as well.'Shawnky said:
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Russell Wilson is currently 11th in the NFL with a QB rating of 87.2. Ahead of Andy Dalton, Philip Rivers, Eli Manning, Jay Cutler, Mathew Stafford, Joe Flacco, Tony Romo, Andrew Luck, Cam Newton.
Pretty impressive for the Rookie. He is 10th in the NFL with 13TD passes, which is #1 for all Rookie QBs.
He has a chance at the all time rookie TD pass record of 26 by Peyton Manning.
Pretty impressive for the Rookie. He is 10th in the NFL with 13TD passes, which is #1 for all Rookie QBs.
He has a chance at the all time rookie TD pass record of 26 by Peyton Manning.
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I'm curious; what did you him for? Was it in re-draft or dynasty?
MCguidance
Footballguy
Wading through the BS - is he worth a sport start to cover for byes this week?
Shawnky
Footballguy
I would say so. I had to start him last week with Fitzpatrick on a bye. It worked out well. Thinking of starting him this week over Fitz. He's been more consistent as of late, although Fitz always fairs well against the Pats.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
He has been $$$ at home this year. 9TDs, 0Ints at home....start him with confidence.
Hooper31
Footballguy
Plays the Jets in Seattle today.
This is the first time Seattle walks into a game heavily favored this year. Seattle is a very young team. This is the sort of game where I somewhat expect Seattle to disappoint. I think we get a good look at where our future expectations will go with this team. They've shown tons of potential. Will they start to become a more dominant team that crushes an inferior opponent? Or will they struggle to find consistency and allow the Jets to make this a game?
Given the way Wilson has approached his craft to this point I fully expect him to come out prepared to play, but I have doubts about some of his teammates. I won't be surprised to see mental lapses or guys playing down to the level of their opponents.
This is the first time Seattle walks into a game heavily favored this year. Seattle is a very young team. This is the sort of game where I somewhat expect Seattle to disappoint. I think we get a good look at where our future expectations will go with this team. They've shown tons of potential. Will they start to become a more dominant team that crushes an inferior opponent? Or will they struggle to find consistency and allow the Jets to make this a game?
Given the way Wilson has approached his craft to this point I fully expect him to come out prepared to play, but I have doubts about some of his teammates. I won't be surprised to see mental lapses or guys playing down to the level of their opponents.
The Dreaded Marco
Footballguy
You nailed this, other than the part about RW being prepared to play. He also looks a bit bewildered thus far, as do many of his teammates. Yeah, he made a nice throw but Tate made an even better catch on that TD. They better get it together or they will lose today.
Hooper31
Footballguy
Definitely struggling to put the Jets away. Seattle started with the ball at the 40 on their first four possessions and managed only one TD. A better team wouldn't let the Jets off the hook. This would be a blowout already.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
2 more Tds today....now a rookie qb leading 15 Tds
Underachievers
Footballguy
Luck also has 15 TD's.
The Dreaded Marco
Footballguy
Agreed. He settled down in the 2nd half and managed the game quite well. He's definitely progressing nicely. We may rue those losses to Arizona and St. Louis early in the year due to his inexperience but RW will likely pay dividends down the road. I really like the kid.
Hooper31
Footballguy
Sure, if you include his rushing TDs. On that note, there's not a sane person you can debate with over who will likely be the better QB long term.If you want to argue with a troll or a mentally disabled person on the internet, how exactly can you feel like you've won? Don't you both pretty much walk away looking like idiots?
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
He only has 10 passing Tds bro...get your stat right.... Again... Wilson's leading 15 th passing td was today..boom
Underachievers
Footballguy
Sorry, did not see where you specified "passing TD's". But yeah, I guess passing TD's are worth a lot more than rushing TD's, so they should not be counted.
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Only 11 Tds away from mannings rookie record.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I might just trade Griffin and go with the Seattle Kid.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
They took a lot of heat and general dismay over it. Glad they stuck to their guns. Carroll still has lots of work to do himself as a coach, especially in-game, but their prep, player evaluation and drafts have been pretty stellar.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
so what happens with Flynn? do they trade him in the offseason?
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Hooper31
Footballguy
Why would they? Bulk of his money was paid this year. He's not costing a lot and is a solid back up. The value of a solid back up can't be dismissed for a potential playoff team.
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