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2012 Every-Down Linebacker Thread

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think NYG needs an Update

Giants WLB Michael Boley has missed almost all of training camp due to a hamstring pull.Boley admitted he's "very concerned" after he struggled to even run at full speed on Tuesday. IDP owners in search of linebacker depth can do better. Aug 22 - 9:56 AM

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think NYG needs an UpdateGiants WLB Michael Boley has missed almost all of training camp due to a hamstring pull.Boley admitted he's "very concerned" after he struggled to even run at full speed on Tuesday. IDP owners in search of linebacker depth can do better. Aug 22 - 9:56 AM

Boley is a clear every-down linebacker when healthy. I doubt he misses much time if any. The other linebackers on that team are nothing special. Once Boley gets back, he doesn't have a whole lot of serious competition for tackles in my opinion.

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Kuechly was not an every down LB during the 3rd preseason game.

How much is he downgraded by this?

DeMeco Ryans is a available in my league.

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think NYG needs an UpdateGiants WLB Michael Boley has missed almost all of training camp due to a hamstring pull.Boley admitted he's "very concerned" after he struggled to even run at full speed on Tuesday. IDP owners in search of linebacker depth can do better. Aug 22 - 9:56 AM

Boley is a clear every-down linebacker when healthy. I doubt he misses much time if any. The other linebackers on that team are nothing special. Once Boley gets back, he doesn't have a whole lot of serious competition for tackles in my opinion.
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Kuechly was not an every down LB during the 3rd preseason game. How much is he downgraded by this?DeMeco Ryans is a available in my league.

I noticed the same thing but dang he was in on every tackle. His final stats were 2 tackles and 8 assists. I thought he had more tackles then that. Ironically, the Sunday night crew were talking about as good a tackler Kuechly is, he is even better in pass protection. :confused:

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Kuechly was not an every down LB during the 3rd preseason game. How much is he downgraded by this?DeMeco Ryans is a available in my league.

I noticed the same thing but dang he was in on every tackle. His final stats were 2 tackles and 8 assists. I thought he had more tackles then that. Ironically, the Sunday night crew were talking about as good a tackler Kuechly is, he is even better in pass protection. :confused:
The stat keeper tonight was imitating the Colts stat keeper with all the assists but he did look impressive. I just hope if he is not in the nickel/dime that he can be consistent week to week.

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think NYG needs an UpdateGiants WLB Michael Boley has missed almost all of training camp due to a hamstring pull.Boley admitted he's "very concerned" after he struggled to even run at full speed on Tuesday. IDP owners in search of linebacker depth can do better. Aug 22 - 9:56 AM

Boley is a clear every-down linebacker when healthy. I doubt he misses much time if any. The other linebackers on that team are nothing special. Once Boley gets back, he doesn't have a whole lot of serious competition for tackles in my opinion.
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Thanks, been holding Bol and will keep him now;

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Kuechly was not an every down LB during the 3rd preseason game. How much is he downgraded by this?DeMeco Ryans is a available in my league.

I noticed the same thing but dang he was in on every tackle. His final stats were 2 tackles and 8 assists. I thought he had more tackles then that. Ironically, the Sunday night crew were talking about as good a tackler Kuechly is, he is even better in pass protection. :confused:
The stat keeper tonight was imitating the Colts stat keeper with all the assists but he did look impressive. I just hope if he is not in the nickel/dime that he can be consistent week to week.
As impressive as Keuchly looks, I can't see him being a 2-down linebacker for long. His instincts are impressive. He may not start the year as a 3-down LB, but in my opinion, it's just a matter of time. Might be a good time to buy low in redraft leagues.

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The Carolina game isn't yet available on Game Rewind, but I can't imagine a scenario in which a healthy Kuechly isn't on the field every down.

Of the situations I've reviewed, two important changes seem evident.

Lavonte David is now a nickel linebacker (was always a matter of time). Adam Hayward played over Quincy Black with David (Foster missed the game) so it would appear it'll be Foster and David as the every-down backers in Tampa.

Jamar Chaney was in uniform and playing for Philly but Mychal Kendricks was still playing in the first team nickel. Will watch the practice reports closely on that this week.

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No Levy or Durant? Is someone else playing only on nickel downs?

It looks like the same situation as last year. Durant plays in some subpackages, Levy in others.

think NYG needs an UpdateGiants WLB Michael Boley has missed almost all of training camp due to a hamstring pull.Boley admitted he's "very concerned" after he struggled to even run at full speed on Tuesday. IDP owners in search of linebacker depth can do better. Aug 22 - 9:56 AM

The Boley injury is becoming more concerning. Rivers has been taking some nickel snaps, but the Giants continue to show variations of subpackages. Against the Bears, Blackburn and Rivers were the nickel backers and Kiwanuka rested. I'll keep an eye on this one, too.

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Seattle: KJ Wright

What happened to Wagner? Isnt he every down? Is he still set as starting ILB?

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Seattle: KJ Wright

What happened to Wagner? Isnt he every down? Is he still set as starting ILB?

There was never a guarantee that Wagner would play every down. He's talented enough to be in the mix, but the Seahawks are high on what Wright brings as the nickel middle backer. They don't use many subpackages with two linebackers. There's a chance that Wagner will supplant Hill there soon, but I wouldn't count on it.

With the Ruud trade last week, Wagner is entrenched as the base middle linebacker now.

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A note from this morning:

Rookie linebacker Luke Kuechly would usually be exchanged for Davis on third downs. Davis said that likely won’t be the case in the regular season, and that his situational play is more ‘ease-you-in’ than permanent. His cameos on special teams were also part of that plan.

I'm not sure how to read those first two sentences. I would tend to think that a nickel package of Kuechly/Davis would be a better fit than Anderson/Davis or Beason/Davis and possibly even Beason/Kuechly, but we've seen coaches ease rookies into the league by playing them in base packages only early in their careers.

I'd argue that it makes no sense to do that with a player who's clearly ready for the speed of the NFL like Kuechly, but the above paragraph and last night's approach to the lineup suggest the Panthers are planning to use Davis ahead of someone in some nickel subpackages. There's also a chance we'll see Davis as a 3-4 OLB when the linebacking unit is completely healthy.

We'll see...

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A note from this morning:

Rookie linebacker Luke Kuechly would usually be exchanged for Davis on third downs. Davis said that likely won’t be the case in the regular season, and that his situational play is more ‘ease-you-in’ than permanent. His cameos on special teams were also part of that plan.

I'm not sure how to read those first two sentences. I would tend to think that a nickel package of Kuechly/Davis would be a better fit than Anderson/Davis or Beason/Davis and possibly even Beason/Kuechly, but we've seen coaches ease rookies into the league by playing them in base packages only early in their careers.

I'd argue that it makes no sense to do that with a player who's clearly ready for the speed of the NFL like Kuechly, but the above paragraph and last night's approach to the lineup suggest the Panthers are planning to use Davis ahead of someone in some nickel subpackages. There's also a chance we'll see Davis as a 3-4 OLB when the linebacking unit is completely healthy.

We'll see...

Seems like not permanent indicates he won't be in full time for the Nickel.

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The Boley injury is becoming more concerning. Rivers has been taking some nickel snaps, but the Giants continue to show variations of subpackages. Against the Bears, Blackburn and Rivers were the nickel backers and Kiwanuka rested. I'll keep an eye on this one, too.

Please do Jene! I have the unique ability to still use Kiwi as a DL in my league, but he's likely only worth doing so if he remains a 3 down backer. After losing Suggs also, this might be a huge hit to my defense!

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Is Curry out until week 6 (PUP)? If so, who would you pick up between Burris and Wheeler? Although Wheeler is an every down back according to the OP, he is also a strong side LB. When Curry comes back will he take over every down back rolls?

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Is Curry out until week 6 (PUP)? If so, who would you pick up between Burris and Wheeler? Although Wheeler is an every down back according to the OP, he is also a strong side LB. When Curry comes back will he take over every down back rolls?

I'd rank Wheeler higher than Burris, but neither project to more than an inconsistent depth option. I don't think Curry will be an issue. Seems unlikely that he'll be healthy enough to play for the Raiders again.

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Is Curry out until week 6 (PUP)? If so, who would you pick up between Burris and Wheeler? Although Wheeler is an every down back according to the OP, he is also a strong side LB. When Curry comes back will he take over every down back rolls?

I'd rank Wheeler higher than Burris, but neither project to more than an inconsistent depth option. I don't think Curry will be an issue. Seems unlikely that he'll be healthy enough to play for the Raiders again.
Interesting. So if Curry doesn't play for the Raiders this year, either Burris or Wheeler will get the majority of the snaps along with McClain. I think whoever that is, will have fantasy value as a plugin. I'll probably pick up Wheeler.

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check this out

Mychal Kendricks said that nothing changed for him at practice Monday. He is still running as the starting strongside linebacker and in the nickel.

http://www.phillymag.com/eagles/2012/09/04/linebacker-watch-demeco-ryans-unfazed-by-public-angst/

If true, that makes him 3-down LB.

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DJ Smith has certainly beat out AJ Hawk in the dime and will most likely be the Packers only every down LB to start the season.

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Is a 3 down SLB more valuable then a 2 down MLB?

Just depends on scheme. Kendricks was the 3 down SLB all along. But whether or not he performs like Chad Greenway or Quincy Black remains to be seen. Most likely somewhere in the middle.

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would any of you feel strong about having KJ Wright or M. Kendricks as your flex Def player? I really have not seen either play, Phil v Steelers first preseason, but that was long ago and first preseason game.

Wright I know little about.

Drafted both, and Mason Foster with hopes one becomes a nice flex D player. Got Butler(who I targeted as my main LB, and Weatherspoon who I got a lot later than I should have).

If both Wright and Kendricks are 3 down LBs, and both are SLB, kind of makes it hard to pick week 1.

Any advice re: those 2?

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Much more next week, but some early notes from the last 24 hours...

***Cowboys used lots of dime packages last night. On the rare nickel snap, Victor Butler was playing ahead of Bruce Carter at times.

***The Giants used five different linebackers last night. Chase Blackburn played 51 of 68 snaps. Four other linebackers played between 24 and 37.

***Reuben Frank is reporting on Twitter that Jamar Chaney and Mychal Kendricks are now the Philadelphia nickel linebackers.

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Much more next week, but some early notes from the last 24 hours...***Cowboys used lots of dime packages last night. On the rare nickel snap, Victor Butler was playing ahead of Bruce Carter at times.***The Giants used five different linebackers last night. Chase Blackburn played 51 of 68 snaps. Four other linebackers played between 24 and 37.***Reuben Frank is reporting on Twitter that Jamar Chaney and Mychal Kendricks are now the Philadelphia nickel linebackers.

So IYHO Jene do you think Ryans will play 3 downs still? If not this kills his value. :cry:

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Much more next week, but some early notes from the last 24 hours...***Cowboys used lots of dime packages last night. On the rare nickel snap, Victor Butler was playing ahead of Bruce Carter at times.***The Giants used five different linebackers last night. Chase Blackburn played 51 of 68 snaps. Four other linebackers played between 24 and 37.***Reuben Frank is reporting on Twitter that Jamar Chaney and Mychal Kendricks are now the Philadelphia nickel linebackers.

So IYHO Jene do you think Ryans will play 3 downs still? If not this kills his value. :cry:
Don't have any reason to doubt the reports on Ryans. More than one reporter tweeted the change and the Eagles have had situational starters in past.

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Jene,

Any news about the Carolina LB situation?

I own both Beason and Kuechly and need to decide which one to start.

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Any news about the Carolina LB situation?

Haven't seen anything new. Let me see if I can scare up some local opinion.

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Any news about the Carolina LB situation?

Haven't seen anything new. Let me see if I can scare up some local opinion.
Conversation w/ @JoePerson just now...

@JeneBramel Any feel on which of Beason or Kuechly is likely to rest in subpackages in favor of Thomas Davis?

‏@josephperson ...both of them. Davis and Anderson were together for a lot of the preseason nickel packages.

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Any news about the Carolina LB situation?

Haven't seen anything new. Let me see if I can scare up some local opinion.
Conversation w/ @JoePerson just now...

@JeneBramel Any feel on which of Beason or Kuechly is likely to rest in subpackages in favor of Thomas Davis?

‏@josephperson ...both of them. Davis and Anderson were together for a lot of the preseason nickel packages.

Thanks Jene.

Should I even start 1 of them then? If so, which would ou recommend in a tackle heavy league?

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Any news about the Carolina LB situation?

Haven't seen anything new. Let me see if I can scare up some local opinion.
Conversation w/ @JoePerson just now...

@JeneBramel Any feel on which of Beason or Kuechly is likely to rest in subpackages in favor of Thomas Davis?

‏@josephperson ...both of them. Davis and Anderson were together for a lot of the preseason nickel packages.

Interesting. Great heads up here. Thanks.:thumbup:

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Any news about the Carolina LB situation?

Haven't seen anything new. Let me see if I can scare up some local opinion.
Conversation w/ @JoePerson just now...

@JeneBramel Any feel on which of Beason or Kuechly is likely to rest in subpackages in favor of Thomas Davis?

‏@josephperson ...both of them. Davis and Anderson were together for a lot of the preseason nickel packages.

Interesting. Great heads up here. Thanks.:thumbup:

Agreed. Great intel.

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Any news about the Carolina LB situation?

Haven't seen anything new. Let me see if I can scare up some local opinion.
Conversation w/ @JoePerson just now...

@JeneBramel Any feel on which of Beason or Kuechly is likely to rest in subpackages in favor of Thomas Davis?

‏@josephperson ...both of them. Davis and Anderson were together for a lot of the preseason nickel packages.

THIS is why Footballguys will never be topped!

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Is anyone rolling with either Beason or Kuechly?

I'm starting Beason as a flex (LB4) in a tackle heavy league.

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Is anyone rolling with either Beason or Kuechly?

I'm starting Beason as a flex (LB4) in a tackle heavy league.
I am in the same boat man.

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Please try to keep this thread about three-down linebackers and not about anyone's fantasy teams.

Thanks.

AB

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DJ Smith has certainly beat out AJ Hawk in the dime and will most likely be the Packers only every down LB to start the season.

Well yeah, they played a lot of 2 man d line the last couple of years but that could change this year and Smith as the only inside backer. It's a little early to tell, but Smith is Bishop lite and may end up almost as good.

They like Phillip Daniels and Worthy but neither are starting. They'll rotate them in and backfield pressure should help(Nick Perry too) with more big plays. Smith gets his hands on a lot of passes-tipping some and should get a couple of picks himself.

Capers says he hopes to blitz less this season.

The last 2 season they had so many d linemen hurt they put a backup o lineman in there at times.

Hope he can rotate in enough players this year. He liked Merling before he was drafted and likes him now too. I hope he's right.

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