So your answer is "no".I'm only referring to how the song is performed. Cash's performance is more authentic IMO.'Evilgrin 72 said:What? Do you understand what authentic means? This is like saying the Venetian hotel in Vegas is more authentic than Venice because Venice has some weird smells floating around it and there are bums on the street corners.
It cannot be. You can LIKE it better, but it's not more authentic. This is the equivalent of you writing a poem about the darkest, most despairing moment of your life. Imagine you were teetering on the brink of suicide and poured those emotions out on to paper. It was everything you were, the most intense emotional experience of your life. You had the stones to go on the air (imagine the world cared about what you or I was going through, not just famous people) and read this poem. Then, a year or so later, Morgan Freeman re-read it at an inaugural address or something. And America said - "The Freeman reading was so much more authentic. I wasn't really buying it when medium aristotle read that poem, it rang hollow and seemed like the emotion was artificial. But when Morgan Freeman read it... man. You could really tell those words were about him."That's what you're saying. If someone said - "It's a really great poem, but I think it sounds better in Morgan Freeman's voice", you couldn't argue with that. It's an opinion. But for someone to say your words were more authentic coming out of someone else's mouth? Would you really accept that?I'm only referring to how the song is performed. Cash's performance is more authentic IMO.'Evilgrin 72 said:What? Do you understand what authentic means? This is like saying the Venetian hotel in Vegas is more authentic than Venice because Venice has some weird smells floating around it and there are bums on the street corners.'medium aristotle said:Why can't it? The Johnny Cash cover is more authentic. The Trent Reznor version is overly-dramatic and a tad phony IMO.'Evilgrin 72 said:Someone please just say no, it can't be more authentic than the original. Just do this for me so I don't have to have this fight again. I'm sure it's the thread Belljr linked earlier in which I had this same argument before - I don't have the energy to do it again.'Apple Jack said:More authentic than the author's rendering?'medium aristotle said:I always found Cash's version to be a lot more "authentic"'sho nuff said:See...I love Cash and all...but I think that is one of the most overrated covers of all time.I dig the orginal and was never a fan of Cash's version.'medium aristotle said:'Klimtology said:Hurt - Johnny Cash
Original by Nine Inch Nails
it rang hollow and seemed like the emotion was artificial.I'm only referring to how the song is performed. Cash's performance is more authentic IMO.'Evilgrin 72 said:What? Do you understand what authentic means? This is like saying the Venetian hotel in Vegas is more authentic than Venice because Venice has some weird smells floating around it and there are bums on the street corners.'medium aristotle said:Why can't it? The Johnny Cash cover is more authentic. The Trent Reznor version is overly-dramatic and a tad phony IMO.'Evilgrin 72 said:Someone please just say no, it can't be more authentic than the original. Just do this for me so I don't have to have this fight again. I'm sure it's the thread Belljr linked earlier in which I had this same argument before - I don't have the energy to do it again.'Apple Jack said:More authentic than the author's rendering?'medium aristotle said:I always found Cash's version to be a lot more "authentic"'sho nuff said:See...I love Cash and all...but I think that is one of the most overrated covers of all time.I dig the orginal and was never a fan of Cash's version.'medium aristotle said:'Klimtology said:Hurt - Johnny Cash
Original by Nine Inch Nails
That's stone cold craziness indeed.Metallica's Stone Cold Crazy destroys the original.
"Ticket to Ride" also?"Superstar"Carpenters over Delaney & Bonnie (called "Groupie" (Superstar))The original is great, but Karen takes that tune to a new level.
Completely superior.'zamboni said:"Blinded By The Light"
Manfred Mann's Earth Band > Springsteen
Yep, when you consider Cash, his life and "the end", and frankly how somber he delivered it, I love it...I like NIN a lot, and am not really a Cash fan, but boy, I would have thought the song was written about him, not that he covered it.'Apple Jack said:That is more about Romanek's video and Rick Rubin's song selection than it is with Cash's delivery or anything. Against the backdrop of his life and age, it became something else. But it's about the video.'sho nuff said:See...I love Cash and all...but I think that is one of the most overrated covers of all time.I dig the orginal and was never a fan of Cash's version.'medium aristotle said:'Klimtology said:Hurt - Johnny CashOriginal by Nine Inch Nails
Trent Reznor seems to like it:'Evilgrin 72 said:Someone please just say no, it can't be more authentic than the original. Just do this for me so I don't have to have this fight again. I'm sure it's the thread Belljr linked earlier in which I had this same argument before - I don't have the energy to do it again.'Apple Jack said:More authentic than the author's rendering?'medium aristotle said:I always found Cash's version to be a lot more "authentic"'sho nuff said:See...I love Cash and all...but I think that is one of the most overrated covers of all time.I dig the orginal and was never a fan of Cash's version.'medium aristotle said:'Klimtology said:Hurt - Johnny Cash
Original by Nine Inch Nails
I pop the video in, and wow... Tears welling, silence, goose-bumps... Wow. [i felt like] I just lost my girlfriend, because that song isn't mine anymore... It really made me think about how powerful music is as a medium and art form. I wrote some words and music in my bedroom as a way of staying sane, about a bleak and desperate place I was in, totally isolated and alone. [somehow] that winds up reinterpreted by a music legend from a radically different era/genre and still retains sincerity and meaning — different, but every bit as pure
No, no, no.... maybe Trent Reznor likes the Johnny Cash version of the song better, but there is not way it's as sincere or pure... that would be like some whiny dwooshbag on a message board claiming to be the final arbiter of all things music, forgetting that there were WAY more whiny music-snob dooooshbags before that have been smacked down by Reznors own realization that his song has in fact been replicated... the replication being greater than the replicated.Trent Reznor seems to like it:'Evilgrin 72 said:Someone please just say no, it can't be more authentic than the original. Just do this for me so I don't have to have this fight again. I'm sure it's the thread Belljr linked earlier in which I had this same argument before - I don't have the energy to do it again.'Apple Jack said:More authentic than the author's rendering?'medium aristotle said:I always found Cash's version to be a lot more "authentic"'sho nuff said:See...I love Cash and all...but I think that is one of the most overrated covers of all time.I dig the orginal and was never a fan of Cash's version.'medium aristotle said:'Klimtology said:Hurt - Johnny Cash
Original by Nine Inch Nails
I pop the video in, and wow... Tears welling, silence, goose-bumps... Wow. [i felt like] I just lost my girlfriend, because that song isn't mine anymore... It really made me think about how powerful music is as a medium and art form. I wrote some words and music in my bedroom as a way of staying sane, about a bleak and desperate place I was in, totally isolated and alone. [somehow] that winds up reinterpreted by a music legend from a radically different era/genre and still retains sincerity and meaning — different, but every bit as pure
Right, but the issue is you're nonsense about a cover that cash neither chose, nor arranged, is authentic, while reznor's is phony. Its the height of not getting it, Jim.No, no, no.... maybe Trent Reznor likes the Johnny Cash version of the song better, but there is not way it's as sincere or pure... that would be like some whiny dwooshbag on a message board claiming to be the final arbiter of all things music, forgetting that there were WAY more whiny music-snob dooooshbags before that have been smacked down by Reznors own realization that his song has in fact been replicated... the replication being greater than the replicated.Trent Reznor seems to like it:'Evilgrin 72 said:Someone please just say no, it can't be more authentic than the original. Just do this for me so I don't have to have this fight again. I'm sure it's the thread Belljr linked earlier in which I had this same argument before - I don't have the energy to do it again.'Apple Jack said:More authentic than the author's rendering?'medium aristotle said:I always found Cash's version to be a lot more "authentic"'sho nuff said:See...I love Cash and all...but I think that is one of the most overrated covers of all time.I dig the orginal and was never a fan of Cash's version.'medium aristotle said:'Klimtology said:Hurt - Johnny Cash
Original by Nine Inch Nails
I pop the video in, and wow... Tears welling, silence, goose-bumps... Wow. [i felt like] I just lost my girlfriend, because that song isn't mine anymore... It really made me think about how powerful music is as a medium and art form. I wrote some words and music in my bedroom as a way of staying sane, about a bleak and desperate place I was in, totally isolated and alone. [somehow] that winds up reinterpreted by a music legend from a radically different era/genre and still retains sincerity and meaning — different, but every bit as pure
Me too.No, no, no.... maybe Trent Reznor likes the Johnny Cash version of the song better, but there is not way it's as sincere or pure... that would be like some whiny dwooshbag on a message board claiming to be the final arbiter of all things music, forgetting that there were WAY more whiny music-snob dooooshbags before that have been smacked down by Reznors own realization that his song has in fact been replicated... the replication being greater than the replicated.Trent Reznor seems to like it:'Evilgrin 72 said:Someone please just say no, it can't be more authentic than the original. Just do this for me so I don't have to have this fight again. I'm sure it's the thread Belljr linked earlier in which I had this same argument before - I don't have the energy to do it again.'Apple Jack said:More authentic than the author's rendering?'medium aristotle said:I always found Cash's version to be a lot more "authentic"'sho nuff said:See...I love Cash and all...but I think that is one of the most overrated covers of all time.I dig the orginal and was never a fan of Cash's version.'medium aristotle said:'Klimtology said:Hurt - Johnny Cash
Original by Nine Inch Nails
I pop the video in, and wow... Tears welling, silence, goose-bumps... Wow. [i felt like] I just lost my girlfriend, because that song isn't mine anymore... It really made me think about how powerful music is as a medium and art form. I wrote some words and music in my bedroom as a way of staying sane, about a bleak and desperate place I was in, totally isolated and alone. [somehow] that winds up reinterpreted by a music legend from a radically different era/genre and still retains sincerity and meaning — different, but every bit as pure
Well, hell. I came in here to post this.'JB Breakfast Club said:Jolene by the White Stripeshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4rYaLBUpLA&ob=av2e Originally by Dolly Parton
True this...I figured Kermit the Frog was a safe target.Me First... Pick a song.
Not really. It's the voice, it's the guitar. I liked it ten times more than NIN before I ever saw the video. The Dylan ones are tough. I'd put Jimi equal and GnR below. Mad World is a great pick. There's a diamond on the tip of my tongue but I can't place it...'Apple Jack said:That is more about Romanek's video and Rick Rubin's song selection than it is with Cash's delivery or anything. Against the backdrop of his life and age, it became something else. But it's about the video.'sho nuff said:See...I love Cash and all...but I think that is one of the most overrated covers of all time.I dig the orginal and was never a fan of Cash's version.'medium aristotle said:'Klimtology said:Hurt - Johnny CashOriginal by Nine Inch Nails
I like Sonic Youth's version better. Much better."Superstar"Carpenters over Delaney & Bonnie (called "Groupie" (Superstar))The original is great, but Karen takes that tune to a new level.
Actually, Kris Kristoferson wrote it, but I agree.The two Dylan covers I prefer to Bob's are Hendrix's Watchtower and the Jerry Garcia Band version of I Shall Be Released from the '91 live release.Me and Bobby McGee (Janis Joplin)Original - Roger Miller.
Bob Dylan's cover of Hendrix's "All Along the Watchtower".
Came here to post the same - so here is the linkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3yu6kuCkWg&feature=related'PlasmaDogPlasma said:Sweet Dreams - Marylin MansonNot a huge Manson fan, but this is better than the original Eurythmics Also, I think this thread has been done before.
So hard to seperate the two. Unbelievable video. Just unreal...'Apple Jack said:That is more about Romanek's video and Rick Rubin's song selection than it is with Cash's delivery or anything. Against the backdrop of his life and age, it became something else. But it's about the video.'sho nuff said:See...I love Cash and all...but I think that is one of the most overrated covers of all time.I dig the orginal and was never a fan of Cash's version.'medium aristotle said:'Klimtology said:Hurt - Johnny CashOriginal by Nine Inch Nails
Couldnt find a video of the performance, but heres the audio with pics:The girl on American Idol sang House of the Rising Sun a couple seasons ago. It was better.
I was so happy to get halfway through this thread and not see this brought up yet. And then you had to go and ruin it.Springsteen's version is miles better.'zamboni said:"Blinded By The Light"Manfred Mann's Earth Band > Springsteen
"My Back Pages" (Byrds) down?Actually, Kris Kristoferson wrote it, but I agree.The two Dylan covers I prefer to Bob's are Hendrix's Watchtower and the Jerry Garcia Band version of I Shall Be Released from the '91 live release.Me and Bobby McGee (Janis Joplin)Original - Roger Miller.
The Damned cover is decent, but that's crazy talk to say it's better than the Love original.The Damned >> LOVE ... http://youtu.be/nYVDN27CrOo
I like both, but I actually heard the Damned version first and that usually rules my order.The Damned cover is decent, but that's crazy talk to say it's better than the Love original.The Damned >> LOVE ... http://youtu.be/nYVDN27CrOo
UFO also does a goodI like both, but I actually heard the Damned version first and that usually rules my order.The Damned cover is decent, but that's crazy talk to say it's better than the Love original.The Damned >> LOVE ... http://youtu.be/nYVDN27CrOo
From a 1994 Rolling Stone interview, after "The Downward Spiral" was released.it rang hollow and seemed like the emotion was artificial.'Klimtology said:Hurt - Johnny Cash
Original by Nine Inch Nails
You would have thought so, but you would be wrong.Yep, when you consider Cash, his life and "the end", and frankly how somber he delivered it, I love it...I like NIN a lot, and am not really a Cash fan, but boy, I would have thought the song was written about him, not that he covered it.'Apple Jack said:That is more about Romanek's video and Rick Rubin's song selection than it is with Cash's delivery or anything. Against the backdrop of his life and age, it became something else. But it's about the video.'sho nuff said:See...I love Cash and all...but I think that is one of the most overrated covers of all time.I dig the orginal and was never a fan of Cash's version.'medium aristotle said:'Klimtology said:Hurt - Johnny CashOriginal by Nine Inch Nails
Whoa, whoa, whoa, Tiger. I'm not sure where in there you're getting that the replication was greater than the original. "Different, but every bit as pure." First off, of course he's going to say that. What's he going to do, say - "Eh, it sucked"? Maybe he does really love it, and maybe you do too. If you had even said what Reznor said - that the cover is different, but every bit as pure, I might have let that go. You didn't. You said it was "more authentic" and goodposted the statement that the original was hollow and artificial. That's just ignorant.You can argue this all you want, but you look foolish when you start with the name-calling just because you were called out on not having a clue what the word "authentic" means. Let me help you out, here is the published definition of authentic :No, no, no.... maybe Trent Reznor likes the Johnny Cash version of the song better, but there is not way it's as sincere or pure... that would be like some whiny dwooshbag on a message board claiming to be the final arbiter of all things music, forgetting that there were WAY more whiny music-snob dooooshbags before that have been smacked down by Reznors own realization that his song has in fact been replicated... the replication being greater than the replicated.Trent Reznor seems to like it:'Evilgrin 72 said:Someone please just say no, it can't be more authentic than the original. Just do this for me so I don't have to have this fight again. I'm sure it's the thread Belljr linked earlier in which I had this same argument before - I don't have the energy to do it again.'Apple Jack said:More authentic than the author's rendering?'medium aristotle said:I always found Cash's version to be a lot more "authentic"'sho nuff said:See...I love Cash and all...but I think that is one of the most overrated covers of all time.I dig the orginal and was never a fan of Cash's version.'medium aristotle said:'Klimtology said:Hurt - Johnny Cash
Original by Nine Inch Nails
I pop the video in, and wow... Tears welling, silence, goose-bumps... Wow. [i felt like] I just lost my girlfriend, because that song isn't mine anymore... It really made me think about how powerful music is as a medium and art form. I wrote some words and music in my bedroom as a way of staying sane, about a bleak and desperate place I was in, totally isolated and alone. [somehow] that winds up reinterpreted by a music legend from a radically different era/genre and still retains sincerity and meaning — different, but every bit as pure
Thank you.Right, but the issue is you're nonsense about a cover that cash neither chose, nor arranged, is authentic, while reznor's is phony. Its the height of not getting it, Jim.No, no, no.... maybe Trent Reznor likes the Johnny Cash version of the song better, but there is not way it's as sincere or pure... that would be like some whiny dwooshbag on a message board claiming to be the final arbiter of all things music, forgetting that there were WAY more whiny music-snob dooooshbags before that have been smacked down by Reznors own realization that his song has in fact been replicated... the replication being greater than the replicated.Trent Reznor seems to like it:'Evilgrin 72 said:Someone please just say no, it can't be more authentic than the original. Just do this for me so I don't have to have this fight again. I'm sure it's the thread Belljr linked earlier in which I had this same argument before - I don't have the energy to do it again.'Apple Jack said:More authentic than the author's rendering?'medium aristotle said:I always found Cash's version to be a lot more "authentic"'sho nuff said:See...I love Cash and all...but I think that is one of the most overrated covers of all time.I dig the orginal and was never a fan of Cash's version.'medium aristotle said:'Klimtology said:Hurt - Johnny Cash
Original by Nine Inch Nails
I pop the video in, and wow... Tears welling, silence, goose-bumps... Wow. [i felt like] I just lost my girlfriend, because that song isn't mine anymore... It really made me think about how powerful music is as a medium and art form. I wrote some words and music in my bedroom as a way of staying sane, about a bleak and desperate place I was in, totally isolated and alone. [somehow] that winds up reinterpreted by a music legend from a radically different era/genre and still retains sincerity and meaning — different, but every bit as pure
You, Andy D, wraith, and Apple Jack are keeping me sane here.This thread isn't really that authentic.