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WR Josh Gordon, KC (4 Viewers)
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Limp Ditka
Footballguy
I'm going to assume that the Sarchione Auto Group doesn't have a drug testing policy.
rockaction
Footballguy
I didn't risk much on him, but ouch. Selling cars? Ouch, again.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Wow. Now the wronged victim card. Wish I could say I was surprised.I, along w many others were wrong about the suspension.So a few other people were wrong about a couple of things, too. I guess that's some consolation for you. If it makes you feel better, I'm leaning toward proud. Most people with this much egg on their face do run and hide.
So what? So were many big named talking heads who thought he would receive a reduced suspension.
Only ONE person came out and apologized to me and gave me credit for following up on everything I said I would. The rest stayed quiet as I expected they would. That's life tho. It takes balls to come out and be wrong, and own up to it... This forum lacks a lot of balls.
False Start
Footballguy
I am convinced Gordon is Soulfly.Wow. Now the wronged victim card. Wish I could say I was surprised.I, along w many others were wrong about the suspension.So a few other people were wrong about a couple of things, too. I guess that's some consolation for you. If it makes you feel better, I'm leaning toward proud. Most people with this much egg on their face do run and hide.
So what? So were many big named talking heads who thought he would receive a reduced suspension.
Only ONE person came out and apologized to me and gave me credit for following up on everything I said I would. The rest stayed quiet as I expected they would. That's life tho. It takes balls to come out and be wrong, and own up to it... This forum lacks a lot of balls.
Pro Football Talk is reporting that Gordon is still considering a suit even after landing a job as a car salesman...I'm convinced the second I drop him he will file.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/04/josh-gordon-gets-a-job-with-an-ohio-car-dealership/
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/04/josh-gordon-gets-a-job-with-an-ohio-car-dealership/
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In the NFL, he's failed (AT MOST) 3 tests.B-Deep said:
1 was for codeine. Another barely failed with a very low threshold that this article says could be raised in the near future.
IF (this is speculation, because we don't know if this is the case or not) he was placed in stage 1 when he entered the NFL (b/c of his drug test failures in college), then he has failed only 1 NFL drug test for weed, which wouldn't be a failure under the new protocols.
It's NOTHING like saying the Browns are very good at winning SuperBowls, but good attempt (I guess) at humor.
BUT IT WON'T BE RETROACTIVE!!!!!(HULK) said:It says they're potentially raising the threshold for positive marijuana tests. He barely failed, any raise in the threshold would mean his tests would be negative under the new policy. If its retroactive (which would make sense in terms of fairness), it would revoke his current suspension.Rookie_Whisperer said:After reading the "article / speculation", the only currently suspended WR in the NFL this would possibly benefit is Wes Welker. Why do some people have such a hard time letting go and admitting they were wrong about the year-long suspension for Gordon? This is really getting very Tebow-esque in terms of the lengths guys will go to find anything to hang their hopes on....(HULK) said:OMG, not the angle I was expecting, but I'll take it. Guess I won't be cutting Gordon just yetPeyton Marino said:
The article has been edited to say that, and it has been posted in this thread.
He isn't playing this year, give it up!
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Its,over the dude is selling cars no suit yet, see ya all next year
rockaction
Footballguy
Because there's a weird part of some ff experts where rationality and percentages must trump the day, always and every day, and that weird, unexplainable stuff is aberrant, generally non-existent, and therefore foul and somehow subversive to the mandates and expectations of the keepers of truth, themselves.
Or, simply: People dead set on percentages and deference to expertise don't like bad beats and unexplainable stuff that might mess up the program.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Kids, this is what we in the work-world call a "demotion."Captain Quinoa said:
B-Deep
Footballguy
if if if
6 tests
4 years
he's not good at passing drug tests, in fact find me anyone in the nfl worse at it
almost fails are fails
coedine is a fail
germany almost won 2 world wars, guess they are pretty good at them
WTF??????
If you are taking a test where you need a 70% to pass, and you get a 69%, you fail. If you take it again 70 times, and you get a 69% every time, you still fail. If the instructor changes the passing grade to a 60%, and you take it again, odds are you will get a 69%, which would now be passing.
That is a much better analogy than your ridiculous Browns/SB statement & Germany/World War statement. You are trying to apply new facts to past events. I'm applying new facts to future events. Two different things.
B-Deep
Footballguy
no
you are trying to apply new facts
here are the facts
6 tests failed in 4 years
and you say he is very good at beating the tests or stays clean
you cannot see how ridiculous that is?
he had to leave two different college programs, and now has been supsended a year in the nfl and you say he is either good at beating the tests or is staying clean
what would make him BAD at beating the tests?
18 failed tests?
30?
Apparently you misinterpreted what I posted. Since I was referring to Gordon being able to PLAY IN THE NFL, and since we were discussing a possible NEW NFL POLICY, I thought it would be understood that I was referring to Gordon's ability to pass/beat NFL DRUG TESTS. Obvious, he won't be able to go back and play in the NCAA again.
He's passed, according to all reports over 70 NFL DRUG TESTS. He's failed one, maybe two NFL DRUG TESTS for weed. One of those failed NFL DRUG TESTS was barely a fail, under a very low threshold that may be heightened. So Gordon has passed, by all reports at least 70/71 (or 72) NFL DRUG TESTS.
So, yes, that seems to make him very good at beating/passing NFL DRUG TESTS. If the policy were made less stringent, I would assume he would be even better at beating/passing NFL DRUG TESTS.
In case it still isn't clear to you, I'm referring to Josh Gordon's taking and passing NFL DRUG TESTS.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I like this car but do you have it in red???
cstu
Footballguy
Proust Loves Cake
Footballguy
History is the best predictor of future results. Over 3000 NFL players tested in 2014. Gordon is in elite company of just three players (<.001%) who have been suspended indefinitely or for the year. Among this elite group, only Gordon was kicked off his college football team for failed drug tests. Twice.Doesn't matter what threshold the NFL uses. They can't beat Josh Gordon at this game. He's way too good and consistent at his craft.
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Peyton Marino
Footballguy
keeping him rostered all season. go down with the ship IMO.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
God, does that philosophical outlook ever make life fun. I can't think of anything better to rally around than expert consensus and tautologies. Yeeha!
B-Deep
Footballguy
if i drive my car 70 times without wrecking, and wreck 6 times, would you say i was good at driving my car? i did not wreck 70 times!!!!!!!
he has failed 6 tests in 4 years, you average nfl or ncaa player fails 0
he sucks at drug tests, if he did not he'd likely be playing this season
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Haha, that's exactly what I was thinking when I saw the news.
Josh Gordon is the new Kenny Powers.
I could see the conversation going a little something like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7Nso2SxtR0
If you drove your car 70 times, and got a scratch on your door (since a wreck would indicate a very major accident, not failing a drug test with an extremely low threshold by 1 nanogram/milliliter) in a parking lot, would you be good at driving your car? Yes.
Because he failed 1 NFL TEST (that we know of). As for your ability to ride your bicycle (the equivalent using your analogy of failing a college test), I'd say, no, you aren't very good at that.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Not good news for Gordonites. Now even if he gets a miracle injunction from his fantasy lawsuit, he has to give two weeks notice at a car dealership before coming back.
Neofight
Footballguy
When you're seeking news, expert consensus and tautology wins out over trolling and fantasy. May not be much fun, but who wins with the nonsense?
To make this more applicable to Gordon's situation, we'd have to say that the roads were a bit winding, the brakes were in good working order, weather was just okay, he had two passengers in his car most of the time, there was a detour on his main route, the air pressure in his tires was adequate, pedestrian traffic was moderate, and he was really freaking drunk.
In that case, under the circumstances, I'd say he was an okay driver.
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ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
Well if he doesn't put that place on his resume, he could probably tell everyone to F off there, except for a person or two, and leave right after.
rockaction
Footballguy
I get your point. The guy that people kept citing to about the legal aspects of the case seems to have turned out to be dead wrong, and his analysis helped absolutely nobody in their fantasy drafts. OTOH, it's the almost killjoy-esque glee (aside from the lawyers in the thread -- I'm thinking Henry, MT, and possibly Bayhawks -- who were just trying to give free expertise for our benefit) that I think Bucky and others like me have been sensing. And if you went just a little bit out on a limb and drafted him just a wee bit earlier than you should have (ahem -- did I do that?) then you'd love that lottery ticket coming to fruition, that's for sure.
FF is supposed to be fun, too, and the unpredictability of stuff like this, where we really don't know what's going on, or how a particular situation is going to suss out, is part of what makes it enjoyable. If you're a high-stakes guy, not so much. If you're a casual like me, then that's part of the joy of it.
But ever since the lawyers started posting, I haven't been a confident Gordonite at all, just sorta hopin'. It's costing me a crappy streaming defense option that was going to be crappy regardless, so I'm not complaining.
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Khy
Footballguy
Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, kind of left the thread after the ruling.
Report just now on the TNF pregame show that if the NFL comes to an agreement of reducing drug infractions prior to Sunday, which is possible. Both Gordon and Welker's suspensions could not only be reduced but completely removed?
Report just now on the TNF pregame show that if the NFL comes to an agreement of reducing drug infractions prior to Sunday, which is possible. Both Gordon and Welker's suspensions could not only be reduced but completely removed?
The General
Footballguy
seahawk 17
Footballguy
Khy
Footballguy
metoo
Footballguy
Khy
Footballguy
I think you have to hold him for a week or two if you can...
Something, non-Gordon related... what would this mean for Justin Blackmon and Daryl Washington? I'm assuming Washington could also be effected but what about Blackmon, he's already indefinitely suspended, would he just be offered reinstatement?
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Damn, he's still rostered in my only redraft. Gordon might be the steal of the draft two years in a row.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Well for one thing I think this got mentioned waaay up there when the rules change proposal was first mentioned and it was dismissed at the source.
http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2014/9/3/6104333/reports-nfl-nflpa-very-close-on-new-drug-testing-program-could-allow
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/03/source-nfl-nflpa-very-close-on-a-new-drug-testing-program/
http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2014/9/3/6104333/reports-nfl-nflpa-very-close-on-new-drug-testing-program-could-allow
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/03/source-nfl-nflpa-very-close-on-a-new-drug-testing-program/
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