770 in my league. i actually thought he was drafted otherwise i woulda went 950 or so. oh well. i mean, i woulda taken him in the 13th or so. mebbe drink less during drafts i dunno, pretty pissed at myself.
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Its not retroactive punishments of previous DV incidents - it will be applying current punishments when they are first presented to the commissioner.
Marshall and Bryant have had their meeting with Goodell (I think) over their respective incidents.
Feel free to follow up with the law. I am confident that even outside those states the laws only refer to possession, sale, cultivation, and sale of paraphernalia. Just get us the facts though and educate everyone.Pretty sure you're wrong.Pretty sure its not breaking any federal laws if you use it in a state where its legal. There, now you know.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
at playing the heavy against Josh Gordon. By all accounts I've seen, he's a nice guy and is completely harmless.JamesTheScot
Footballguy
It might depend on them thinking that, say, Europe is MORE concerned about domestic violence than is the U.S.A. or that the European market would be a tougher nut to crack from a start-up position due to public image issues related to the DV scandal.Well, if the NFL wasn't worried about growing their fan base they wouldn't be trying to expand in Europe, dressing in pink and doing many other things to add fans. So yes, what the current non-fan thinks matters. Along with the fact that the non-fans are exactly who politicians can play to for greatest effect.But at the same time, how much does she add to the NFL's bottom line?
This Rice coverup/story is on the cover of the Daily News and being talked about on every news show. It's the biggest news story of the week and one of the biggest of the year. My wife was asking me about it and I can promise you she doesn't care about the NFL at all. She wouldn't know who Josh Gordon is if he was cheefin in our driveway.
The Gordon/drug thing won't even make a dent. Get real.
If it plays with the fans, that's who the NFL cares most about. Not a non-fan who only has an inkling of what goes on in the NFL when something happens to make mention on The View.
When people who never set foot in your store say they are boycotting you, you only worry if it starts to convince those that do to stop coming.
My point though is that the current fans are going to drive the agenda much more so than will some maybe down the road possible fan. As good as the NFL has been about managing image, I can't see them losing sight of their base.
And I don't think you can directly compare an emerging/new geographical market push to trying to reach out to a demographic that has already had decades of exposure to your product in an established market and has thus far been resistant to becoming a consumer.
Do you care more about approaching people who have never used your product due to lack of exposure or those that have rejected it over and over again? To put it another way, why push into Europe rather than depending upon appeal to a broader demographic and instead setting up in smaller markets in the U.S.?
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firstseason1988
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Technically you can be arrested forPretty sure its not breaking any federal laws if you use it in a state where its legal. There, now you know.
You can get busted by a federal law enforcement officer in a state where marijuana is legal. Obama has said not to do that, but technically it's against federal law to possess, use, distribute marijuana, but it's not enforced by the feds. Good of Obama to recognize states' rights.Pretty sure you're wrong.Pretty sure its not breaking any federal laws if you use it in a state where its legal. There, now you know.
Weed will do that to you.
I almost posted EXACTLY the same thing.Weed will do that to you.
firstseason1988
Footballguy
So weed's a bad thing?I almost posted EXACTLY the same thing.Weed will do that to you.
Who knows, it may have kept Rice out of trouble.I almost posted EXACTLY the same thing.Weed will do that to you.
dagwood
Footballguy
Technically, its against the law to Jaywalk....so I hope we are not going to start getting uber technical.Technically you can be arrested forPretty sure its not breaking any federal laws if you use it in a state where its legal. There, now you know.
You can get busted by a federal law enforcement officer in a state where marijuana is legal. Obama has said not to do that, but technically it's against federal law to possess, use, distribute marijuana, but it's not enforced by the feds. Good of Obama to recognize states' rights.Pretty sure you're wrong.Pretty sure its not breaking any federal laws if you use it in a state where its legal. There, now you know.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
I see the "idiot" thing thrown around a lot about Gordon. Seems like the problems that are public aren't much different than many 23 year old kids. He drinks and parties. He just needs to mature, and probably could use some mentoring to make better choices.
That is another crazy thing about the punishment doled out by the league. Where is the support and rehabilitation? This is another problem with Goodell and the NFL, even with the domestic abuse policy, there is very little effort in rehabilitation. Fans like to see these players. Players mess up. How about going the extra mile to help and support them? It is crazy just to banish talented players. Fans want to see great athletes play football. Punishment is fine, but the absence of league support to help rehabilitate them is just insane. Take their game checks, don't let them play, but don't let them remain with the team? Dumb.
Omg, if Hardy got off w/ a 2 game suspension, you can bet heads will roll... The guy is worse than Rice, video or not.
Hell even 6 games is way, WAY too lenient for this guy!
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Henry Ford
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Pretty sure you shouldn't give legal advice.Pretty sure its not breaking any federal laws if you use it in a state where its legal. There, now you know.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
I read something on twitter about Friday being the earliest vote now.
:yawn
:yawn
Henry Ford
Footballguy
http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21cfr/21usc/844.htmFeel free to follow up with the law. I am confident that even outside those states the laws only refer to possession, sale, cultivation, and sale of paraphernalia. Just get us the facts though and educate everyone.Pretty sure you're wrong.Pretty sure its not breaking any federal laws if you use it in a state where its legal. There, now you know.
21 u.s.c. section 844.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Probably wouldn't have been able to spit on her.Who knows, it may have kept Rice out of trouble.I almost posted EXACTLY the same thing.Weed will do that to you.
Bamac
Footballguy
Thanks for doing the legwork.http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21cfr/21usc/844.htm21 u.s.c. section 844.Feel free to follow up with the law. I am confident that even outside those states the laws only refer to possession, sale, cultivation, and sale of paraphernalia. Just get us the facts though and educate everyone.Pretty sure you're wrong.Pretty sure its not breaking any federal laws if you use it in a state where its legal. There, now you know.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
It's a bookmark on my desktop. But I'll still bill you for a quarter hour.Thanks for doing the legwork.http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21cfr/21usc/844.htm21 u.s.c. section 844.Feel free to follow up with the law. I am confident that even outside those states the laws only refer to possession, sale, cultivation, and sale of paraphernalia. Just get us the facts though and educate everyone.Pretty sure you're wrong.Pretty sure its not breaking any federal laws if you use it in a state where its legal. There, now you know.
Seems like a technicality.http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21cfr/21usc/844.htmFeel free to follow up with the law. I am confident that even outside those states the laws only refer to possession, sale, cultivation, and sale of paraphernalia. Just get us the facts though and educate everyone.Pretty sure you're wrong.Pretty sure its not breaking any federal laws if you use it in a state where its legal. There, now you know.
21 u.s.c. section 844.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Was he driving around drunk in your state with your family/friends on the road?
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
Oh boy here we go again....I am not outraged....The man broke the rules of conduct that he agreed to, as such he should be punished within the guidelines of those rules....IMO If the rule is changed after the fact he should still remain punished as per the agreement that was in place at the time of his punishment....Simple.
Bamac
Footballguy
Plus another .25 for that post.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
Pretty sure it is against the laws of the NFL...The same laws that Josh Gordon agreed to abide by.....There now hopefully you can understand.Pretty sure its not breaking any federal laws if you use it in a state where its legal. There, now you know.
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
Remember he was just barely drunk according to North Carolina law...so it should be ok.Was he driving around drunk in your state with your family/friends on the road?
In what way did Josh Gordon violate that? It talks a lot about possession, distribution, etc., correct? Please post the link to the police report showing his arrest for possession of a substance referenced in that.It's a bookmark on my desktop. But I'll still bill you for a quarter hour.Thanks for doing the legwork.http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21cfr/21usc/844.htm21 u.s.c. section 844.Feel free to follow up with the law. I am confident that even outside those states the laws only refer to possession, sale, cultivation, and sale of paraphernalia. Just get us the facts though and educate everyone.Pretty sure you're wrong.Pretty sure its not breaking any federal laws if you use it in a state where its legal. There, now you know.
The DUI is a different story.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
I don't know, but I do know I'm not overly concerned about somebody driving at .09.Was he driving around drunk in your state with your family/friends on the road?
The NFL does not have authority to pass laws. Pretty sure the government does that. The NFL is free to have rules and the rule they currently have in place rightly has JG suspended. They are also free the change their rules without requiring government approval as long as they don't violate law.Pretty sure it is against the laws of the NFL...The same laws that Josh Gordon agreed to abide by.....There now hopefully you can understand.Pretty sure its not breaking any federal laws if you use it in a state where its legal. There, now you know.
You do understand they were talking about the legality of weed, correct? Specifically that it is against federal law to possess it, even in states where it may be legal, under specific circumstances?In what way did Josh Gordon violate that? It talks a lot about possession, distribution, etc., correct? Please post the link to the police report showing his arrest for possession of a substance referenced in that.It's a bookmark on my desktop. But I'll still bill you for a quarter hour.Thanks for doing the legwork.http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21cfr/21usc/844.htm21 u.s.c. section 844.Feel free to follow up with the law. I am confident that even outside those states the laws only refer to possession, sale, cultivation, and sale of paraphernalia. Just get us the facts though and educate everyone.Pretty sure you're wrong.Pretty sure its not breaking any federal laws if you use it in a state where its legal. There, now you know.
The DUI is a different story.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Was Josh Gordon arrested for possession of weed? No.You do understand they were talking about the legality of weed, correct? Specifically that it is against federal law to possess it, even in states where it may be legal, under specific circumstances?In what way did Josh Gordon violate that? It talks a lot about possession, distribution, etc., correct? Please post the link to the police report showing his arrest for possession of a substance referenced in that.It's a bookmark on my desktop. But I'll still bill you for a quarter hour.Thanks for doing the legwork.http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21cfr/21usc/844.htm21 u.s.c. section 844.Feel free to follow up with the law. I am confident that even outside those states the laws only refer to possession, sale, cultivation, and sale of paraphernalia. Just get us the facts though and educate everyone.Pretty sure you're wrong.Pretty sure its not breaking any federal laws if you use it in a state where its legal. There, now you know.
The DUI is a different story.
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
We'll despite the muddled nature I took blooms advice and used 25% of my cap and grabbed him...
solorca
Footballguy
My cousin was killed by a drunk driver who blew exactly a .09. I won't pretend to be any better than anyone else, because in my younger days I drove when I was likely over a .09...likely when I was older than Josh Gordon. With that said, this is much more serious to me than testing at .01ng higher than an already small threshold.I don't know, but I do know I'm not overly concerned about somebody driving at .09.Was he driving around drunk in your state with your family/friends on the road?
I own Josh Gordon and I'll gladly play him if he is reinstated. I'll also be fine if his suspension is upheld. Personally, I think that he's an idiot and even if he wasn't smoking himself (which I highly doubt is the case), he put himself in a position to fail a test. When it comes to the DUI, he was hanging out with PJ Hairston and driving drunk...that's two idiotic things at the same time.
At the end of the day though, let the legal system work itself out. As I've said in the past, my opinion is that for serious offenses like domestic abuse, drunk driving, etc. the NFL shouldn't even need to be involved. If the legal system would do it's job and punish these people as they should, it wouldn't matter. If you're sitting in prison, you can't play football. Unfortunately, that's unlikely to ever happen though.
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Bamac
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Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
While technically you are correct..The NFL rules are required to be followed or the administering agency will punish you according to the guidelines of those rules.MIMN said:The NFL does not have authority to pass laws. Pretty sure the government does that. The NFL is free to have rules and the rule they currently have in place rightly has JG suspended. They are also free the change their rules without requiring government approval as long as they don't violate law.Ditka Butkus said:Pretty sure it is against the laws of the NFL...The same laws that Josh Gordon agreed to abide by.....There now hopefully you can understand.dagwood said:Pretty sure its not breaking any federal laws if you use it in a state where its legal. There, now you know.Ditka Butkus said:
If he got a contact buzz from second hand smoke, then he never possessed it.Bayhawks said:You do understand they were talking about the legality of weed, correct? Specifically that it is against federal law to possess it, even in states where it may be legal, under specific circumstances?MIMN said:In what way did Josh Gordon violate that? It talks a lot about possession, distribution, etc., correct? Please post the link to the police report showing his arrest for possession of a substance referenced in that.Henry Ford said:It's a bookmark on my desktop. But I'll still bill you for a quarter hour.Bamac said:Thanks for doing the legwork.Henry Ford said:http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21cfr/21usc/844.htm21 u.s.c. section 844.MIMN said:Feel free to follow up with the law. I am confident that even outside those states the laws only refer to possession, sale, cultivation, and sale of paraphernalia. Just get us the facts though and educate everyone.Bamac said:Pretty sure you're wrong.dagwood said:Pretty sure its not breaking any federal laws if you use it in a state where its legal. There, now you know.
The DUI is a different story.
with reading of 16 and 13.5, the contact buzz explanation makes sense....
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
I've come to realize his fellow weed smokers will defend him no matter how idiotic his actions are. As you state the guy risked a fortune to get high...
Were they talking about Josh Gordon being arrested for the possession of weed? No.MIMN said:Was Josh Gordon arrested for possession of weed? No.Bayhawks said:You do understand they were talking about the legality of weed, correct? Specifically that it is against federal law to possess it, even in states where it may be legal, under specific circumstances?MIMN said:In what way did Josh Gordon violate that? It talks a lot about possession, distribution, etc., correct? Please post the link to the police report showing his arrest for possession of a substance referenced in that.Henry Ford said:It's a bookmark on my desktop. But I'll still bill you for a quarter hour.Bamac said:Thanks for doing the legwork.Henry Ford said:http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21cfr/21usc/844.htm21 u.s.c. section 844.MIMN said:Feel free to follow up with the law. I am confident that even outside those states the laws only refer to possession, sale, cultivation, and sale of paraphernalia. Just get us the facts though and educate everyone.Bamac said:Pretty sure you're wrong.dagwood said:Pretty sure its not breaking any federal laws if you use it in a state where its legal. There, now you know.
The DUI is a different story.
Try reading before you post. They were talking about weed being illegal, per federal laws, even in states where state laws made it legal.
dagwood
Footballguy
I wonder is he has the site Jaywalking being illegal bookmarked on his desktop?Were they talking about Josh Gordon being arrested for the possession of weed? No.MIMN said:Was Josh Gordon arrested for possession of weed? No.Bayhawks said:You do understand they were talking about the legality of weed, correct? Specifically that it is against federal law to possess it, even in states where it may be legal, under specific circumstances?MIMN said:In what way did Josh Gordon violate that? It talks a lot about possession, distribution, etc., correct? Please post the link to the police report showing his arrest for possession of a substance referenced in that.Henry Ford said:It's a bookmark on my desktop. But I'll still bill you for a quarter hour.Bamac said:Thanks for doing the legwork.Henry Ford said:http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21cfr/21usc/844.htm21 u.s.c. section 844.MIMN said:Feel free to follow up with the law. I am confident that even outside those states the laws only refer to possession, sale, cultivation, and sale of paraphernalia. Just get us the facts though and educate everyone.Bamac said:Pretty sure you're wrong.dagwood said:Pretty sure its not breaking any federal laws if you use it in a state where its legal. There, now you know.
The DUI is a different story.
Try reading before you post. They were talking about weed being illegal, per federal laws, even in states where state laws made it legal.
Pretty sure that the powers that be prosecute jaywalking and possession of marijuana (in states where its legal) at about the same rate.
tombonneau
Footballguy
Taking this back onto a FF track, has anyone made any trades involving Gordon?
I'm thinking of packaging Gordon and a WR2 for a WR1. That way you upgrade your WR2 spot no matter what regardless of Gordon outcome. Seems like smart asset management to me.
I'm thinking of packaging Gordon and a WR2 for a WR1. That way you upgrade your WR2 spot no matter what regardless of Gordon outcome. Seems like smart asset management to me.
Omniscient Deity
Footballguy
Sure, if you can pull it off. I'm not sure it'll be easy in redrafts. I would be uncomfortable trading my WR1 for Gordon and a WR2 right now.
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Doubt you get any bites on that till further news, and at that point you may want to keep him.
For me he is strictly a hold, too much upside to trade away. You'll never get what he's worth when he's active.
If he ends up not playing this year (or ever), so be it.
But, I like to roll the dice.
I was offered 1st/Wheaton for him earlier, passed on that.
MattFancy
Footballguy
I'm trying to trade for Gordon in one my redrafts. The Gordon owner wants either Marshall or Brown for him. No chance I make that trade.
dagwood
Footballguy
Like anything else. His value will be discounted now but may go to zero if the suspension is upheld.
I am finding people who own him are valueing him as if he is playing Sunday. People who want him are discounting his value as if there is a significant risk that he may still miss time. Huge valuation gap which makes trades difficult.
