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WR Josh Gordon, KC (10 Viewers)
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nyy45
Footballguy
I was never on the spec "add gordon" train of years past but I literally just added him in every league I have.. this speculative report has yet to hit roto or other mainstream fantasy news sites yet it seems like.. the mere fact that he is getting out of rehab later today is worth at least waiting for some news. Remember, he checked himself into rehab.. and now he's getting out.. there's a lot to be said for that
Not sure if this has been posted but I stumbled upon this on YouTube. This dude thinks Gordon gets reinstated basically today and will play this Sunday. I think there's a better chance a T-Rex comes back than Gordon playing this Sunday. Anyways here's the first vid:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKMSu9VdGc
He alludes to this guy's post:
http://scout.com/nfl/browns/Board/105323/Contents/Spoke-with-Josh-Gordon-today-reinstatement--106775818
Finally, the guy in the YouTube vid posted this a very recently:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrw6KebG1zY
I can't believe I'm believing he could be back soon (as in week 4). This is getting suspenseful.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKMSu9VdGc
He alludes to this guy's post:
http://scout.com/nfl/browns/Board/105323/Contents/Spoke-with-Josh-Gordon-today-reinstatement--106775818
Finally, the guy in the YouTube vid posted this a very recently:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrw6KebG1zY
I can't believe I'm believing he could be back soon (as in week 4). This is getting suspenseful.
jtd13
Footballguy
Eh, I was holding in a couple dynasty leagues because of the 9/21 rumor, but there were too many options across waivers this week, and we would have heard something before today if it was happening today.
Today is my first completely Gordon free day since he entered the league, and it feels good.
Today is my first completely Gordon free day since he entered the league, and it feels good.
Slider
Footballguy
If I held that long (did in one dynasty) no way I'm dropping until one more failure to rejoin the NFL.
Gandalf
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Gandalf
Footballguy
24 hours is not long enough time. I mean their probably is adminstrative stuff. Maybe give it a week?
apalmer
Footballguy
That's about 1/100th as likely as: Week 15, TMZ runs pictures of Gordon and Johnny Football getting a Rocky Mountain High in Denver, while Golladay, the guy you cut to add Gordon, puts up a 4-65-2 week to knock you out of the playoffs.Fast forward to week 15.
Josh Gordon has been playing since week 8, rusty at first, he devlelops chemisty with Kizer over the next few weeks.
You fight all year to make the playoffs, And end up facing the team who picked up Josh Gordon today.
Gordon puts up a line of 7/158/2 with a 79 yard TD, knocking you out of the playoffs.
habsfan
Footballguy
This lives and will continue to live for the same reason that the Hail Mary pass exists at the end of a seemingly hopeless football game. Every fantasy owner whether in first place or last can't shake the vision of parachuting Josh Gordon (the great version) into their line-up. The odds of success don't stop teams from chucking the ball at the end zone down two scores with three seconds left and they won't stop people from talking about this guy.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Josh will probably take a long weekend to celebrate his rehab success. This celebration will then result in him not being reinstated.
apalmer
Footballguy
"Josh, my man! Why don't you and Haslam meet me at Golic's Sports Bar for drinks tonight and we'll get you lined up for Sunday?"So wait, there are those that actually believe he'll be reinstated by the NFL today as he gets out of rehab? Or anytime soon for that matter? "Hey Roger, it's me Josh. Yeah, I just walked out of rehab. We're good, right?"
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yes - like, "why'd he check himself into rehab a second time? He did a 90 day stint after missing his last test seemingly to avoid suspension, but got suspended anyway. So why go back to rehab?"
Did he relapse? Was this part of a secret meeting between the illuminati and Goodell? Is Gordon's agent even involved? Where are the Browns in this?
I added him because it's a lotto ticket, but I feel like there's a <2% chance of him playing this year.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I just want to say I'm pulling for the guy. if he emerges a happy, healthy man that will be the most important thing. - However, didn't the above happen last time? He was pretty, pretty close to getting out of the doghouse, like a couple days before and he had his bad test come back?
Gandalf
Footballguy
Whatever the actual reason, he's been sober while in rehab hopefully learning skills to stay sober. That's a good thing and has to count for something whether or not the NFL reinstates him.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I guess it depends on why he is in rehab. If he went to rehab to clean up and get his life in order, then rehab would potentially help him. If he went to rehab to put on a dog and pony show for the NFL just to get reinstated to act like he is being a good soldier, then rehab may not help him.
Gandalf
Footballguy
Every day sober is a day sober. Since we have no idea the real motivation of a person let alone Gordon in this situation, let's focus on his actions. He is probably sober right at this moment. Whatever his reasons for going to rehab, let's hope for his sake that he learned something to keep him that way.
Gandalf
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
While I agree philosophically, the concern is "did he relapse" and if so how badly.
So yes - good on Gordon for getting his life in order and yay sobriety. I'm rooting for that as well.
But another trip to rehab might not be all sunshine & butterflies, and it does matter as it could impact his chances at reinstatement if the commish has another incident to include in his evaluation.
habsfan
Footballguy
Relating to Gordon the human being, this is true and important. From the standpoint of the Browns and the NFL, it's probably assumed that checking himself into rehab 90 days ago means he was not sober 91 days ago.
Gandalf
Footballguy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Not for sure. Maybe he was sober for 1 day and felt like getting help, maybe he was sober for 6 weeks and thought he was going to fall off the wagon, so he checked in.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Gandalf
Footballguy
I think it is highly likely he relapsed. And probably in the eyes of the NFL there is no mild relapse. If that means he's screwed, we can probably assume he's screwed. And by screwed I mean NFL likely will want him to be sober for a while not in rehab before reinstating him.
Gandalf
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
ATB
Footballguy
Why does everyone assume that Gordon went to rehab on his own volition and not in cooperation with the NFL's wishes?
https://twitter.com/jasoncole62/status/901178252450037760
https://twitter.com/jasoncole62/status/901178252450037760
Alrighty Gordon peeps, it's 12 PM EST. Presumably check out time is 11 AM otherwise you'll be charged another day. Who is standing outside the rehab facility to give us the Twitter report that the fantasy savior has emerged?
Didn't work out so well for Michael Floyd, although his was only a DUI,
Gandalf
Footballguy
ATB
Footballguy
I think I'll place a little more trust in a sports journalist with NFL sources than us dirt bags flinging #### at a wall to see whose is stickier.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
We don't. This was mentioned here some pages back, but there was no source. And around the same time this was mentioned, the NFL stated in response that they weren't working on anything Gordon-related.
So for one, it might not be true. For another, if true, it might be for cause (e.g. a relapse)
habsfan
Footballguy
This is what I think too. It isn't Gordon's first trip to the rodeo. It isn't an isolated misstep. As someone said earlier, the NFL proposition is, "If you can manage your conduct in the following ways, you can have millions of dollars". Gordon has demonstrated an inability and/or unwillingness to abide. The NFL has no obligation to validate his parking an hour, day week or month after finishing rehab.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He'll of course have to settle up his account...long distance calls, pay per view porn, and uh....mini bar expenses?
ATB
Footballguy
I see no reason to believe it's not true. Sources are not typically revealed. And the NFL's statement was to be expected. What did you think they'd say, "Yes we're in constant contact with Gordon's agent and we're all really looking forward to his imminent return"?
They basically said his paperwork had not crossed their desk because... shocker!... the date for him to file for reinstatement had not yet passed.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Considering last year they were entirely transparent during Gordon's suspension, I see no reason why they'd suddenly decide to be mysterious about it this year.
last season there were weekly updates from Gordon's agent, the Browns & several updates from the NFL.
this season it's :crickets:
ATB
Footballguy
Were they transparent before he filed for reinstatement? You've said this numerous times in this thread and have yet to give any reasoning as to why you think the NFL would comment on a case that is not even under active consideration because the dude is still suspended. He can't be reinstated so what purpose would it serve to comment on ANY case that is not active?
I think we all understand that.Gandalf said:
Now here's a guy that understands sarcasm.Hot Sauce Guy said:He'll of course have to settle up his account...long distance calls, pay per view porn, and uh....mini bar expenses?
I bet JG is going to be expecting a crowd of reporters waiting for him as he triumphantly walks out of rehab. Instead, we're going to get some 20 year old intern for some obscure website nobody has ever heard of. He'll twitter it out to the universe. And the JG fandom will then have to go change their underwear. I'm going to get my clean pair ready.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This isn't that hard. People are claiming that "sources say" the NFL made some sort of deal with Gordon, where if he checked into rehab, he'd then be reinstated.ATB said:
if such a deal were in place, that would mean they were actively involved with his process, regardless that he's not yet applied for reinstatement.
So I would absolutely expect the NFL to say "we're working with Gordon, his agent, and the Browns by offering him this opportunity to get back into the league."
But they haven't - in fact, they went out of their way to specifically state that they have nothing to do with Josh Gordon right now.
To me, those things are incongruous.
Last season they absolutely commented before his suspension was up, and he never had to apply for reinstatement because last year he wasn't suspended indefinitely. He had a 4-game suspension and when it ended he was to be reinstated. Except he missed a test and landed in rehab, and was then suspended indefinitely.
pretty straightforward.
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ATB
Footballguy
Not straightforward at all. You're making logic leaps that you apparently don't even see.
No one has said they "make some sort of deal with Gordon." Sources (who are often anonymous, gasp) have stated that Gordon is cooperating with the NFL (likely not Goodell directly). This means he's been lead to believe that a successful 3-month stint in lockdown rehab will give him the best shot at reinstatement this year.
For that to be true, you think the NFL would have to openly state that this happened?
Why? Because they talked about the process last year?
Do things not ever change in your world? People don't lose faith in others? You think the process of a 6-month suspension that leads to near-certain reinstatement is exactly the same as an indefinite suspension that has no guarantee of ever being lifted?
Keep on keepin' on, brother. Your pessimism will get you far...
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
lol - I picked up Gordon in both of my leagues. I want nothing more than something concrete that tells me Gordon is worth a roster spot.
I would LOVE for him to be reinstated.
it's not pessimism, it's realism.
Optomism is being delusional about vague reports that aren't substantiated and don't hold up to the logic test.
Simple if/then logic.
IF the NFL made a deal with Gordon THEN they likely would have commented about "working with him".
instead, they distanced themselves and stated that Gordon's situation "hadn't made it to Roger (Goodell's) desk."
That's not a leap of logic, that's reality.
The only one here making leaps of logic is you - some pretty huge assumptions about a mystery deal with the NFL and what gives Gordon the best shot at reinstatement - it's all speculative and has none basis in reality because no one has reported it.
I hope I'm wrong. I hope you're right. I hope rehab is the magic ticket to reinstatement for Gordon.
ETA - it wasn't a 6-month suspension in 2016, it was 4 games.
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ATB
Footballguy
This is the key of the disagreement, here. What has you thinking they have to comment on something like this? Just because they did last time? Ever heard of "fool me once"? I'm of the opinion that Gordon would not have gone to rehab without some indication that it would heavily influence the NFL/Goodell to reinstate him.
Others think he just relapsed. Whatever. Maybe.
Even if it's as little as his mentor Tim Montgomery having a connection inside the league (which he no doubt does) who told him to put his client in rehab, that still fits the bill of "Gordon cooperating with NFL by going to rehab."
I mean, let's just look at the facts:
Dude went to rehab right when his reinstatement was approaching.
His worst infractions have been weed and beer.
He's done a longer stint in rehab than most who are punished for drug-related infractions.
His mentor, Tim Montgomery, vouches for the kid.
That's pretty much all we know right now. You say the NFL wants nothing to do with him. I say they likely suggested rehab.
I guess we'll find out when he's reinstated
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He went to rehab last year right when it was reported that he missed a drug test & wouldn't be reinstated after his 4-game suspension.
Many at the time speculated that it was a "last ditch effort" to salvage the situation. It didn't, and he was suspended indefinitely.
That's not a "whatever, maybe" - it's an important consideration.
The reasons why he was in rehab again could have a massive influence on whether or not his application for reinstatement is seriously considered. It's an important detail.
This is pure speculation. Granted, i hope it's true.
Like he did when he missed his last drug test before 2016 reinstatement.
No, his worst infraction was that he is a repeat offender.
I agree weed & beer aren't that big a deal compared to other things (domestic violence, hard drugs, etc)
but make no mistake: his worst infraction in the eyes of the NFL was violating the terms of the last agreement he made with the NFL and being a repeat offender.
You are minimizing it by saying "it was just ____"
the dude has a problem - any amount of anything contributes to that problem.
Again - why? Did he do it voluntarily? Did he relapse? Did he fail another test?
We don't know, and it likely matters here.
I guess we will. For now we know less than you assert though.His mentor, Tim Montgomery, vouches for the kid.
That's pretty much all we know right now. You say the NFL wants nothing to do with him. I say they likely suggested rehab.
I guess we'll find out when he's reinstated
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