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33 minutes ago, pbandy1 said:

Should be interesting how much he plays and how many targets he gets, considering Coleman seems to be Kizer's  guy

Well, when you're the only guy...

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54 minutes ago, Soulfly3 said:

My boy Gordon was clearly seeling some forum members oregano back in the day.... and now they mad.

:lol: 

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Coleman averages 8 targets per game.

In the games that Coleman missed, the top receiver for the Browns averaged 7.4 targets per game.

I don't think Coleman is that much of Kizer's guy.

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I truly miss how much bigger than corners Gordon is.

He makes them look like little children. It's so comforting to watch. And that speed... That speed... I cant see that slant taken to the house. I can see it.

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Officially dropping Dez for Gordon.  Must win situation this week, so go big or go home. :thumbup: 

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17 minutes ago, VikingFrog said:

Yahoo still projecting a 0 for Gordon... when they gonna throw up that projection?

When the suspension is officially lifted? 

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17 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

When the suspension is officially lifted? 

Free Hot Sauce for guessing Yahoo’s intitial projection?

My guess... 42.0 points.

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On 11/26/2017 at 10:06 PM, Dizzy said:

Yeah I get that... just wondering if there was some kind of "teaching moment" coming where Josh Gordon is back, but he's not BACK right away. Curious if we'll see maybe less than 50% snaps... couple targets... something to make it look like he has to EARN IT as opposed to just waltzing in after multiple suspensions and sitting at the head of the table.

Dude hasn't played football in three years and apparently never sober... no telling what we'll see next week.

A season ending injury?

Not hoping by any means but this is a long time away from the game.

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21 minutes ago, VikingFrog said:

Free Hot Sauce for guessing Yahoo’s intitial projection?

My guess... 42.0 points.

Yes, just go to any local store, grab a bottle off the shelf, and tell them “Scott said it was okaaaaaaay” as you run out of the store. 

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14 minutes ago, DallasDMac said:

Which is it, can or can't?

How dare you call me out, in my Own thread...? 

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9 minutes ago, Soulfly3 said:

How dare you call me out, in my Own thread...? 

Just busting your chops. I'd NEVER call you out in this thread!

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Starting this week with confidence.  Need a win or points for the playoffs.  

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You think it is wise to start a guy who has not played a snap in 3 years? Risk vs reward, is it good enough? You really expecting a good fantasy day with your playoffs on the line on the road against a stellar D with a rookie QB? I hope he blows up, but good lord, thats daring. I'm waiting a week before he is in my lineups, but then again I have the luxury to wait, some dont. But benching Dez like someone said above for him? No bueno.

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8 hours ago, VikingFrog said:

Free Hot Sauce for guessing Yahoo’s intitial projection?

My guess... 42.0 points.

What about the 2nd half?

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38 minutes ago, WheelsUp said:

 But benching Dez like someone said above for him? No bueno.

Man hasn't topped 73yds since Week 4. Gordon can top that in 1 play, and has done so several times.

Gordon is in my lineup, no matter what. But for those risk adverse, Dez isnt a guy Id be afraid to bench for Gordon. 

Man is the 23rd ranked WR in my PPR league this season. 30th in nonPPR.

No bueno.

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Wow, just wow. This argument, is...just wow.

Dez hasnt topped 73 yards since week 4? Gordon hasnt gained 1 yard in 3 years, I mean....your shtick is tired.
I'm sure when you say Gordon is in your lineup no matter what, means nothing to any person...they see your bias and irrational remarks regarding Gordon.
Gordon is the last ranked WR in every single league right now.
No bueno, I mean, this is how easy it is to decimate an argument when the person uses shtick to make points.

Your argument for benching Dez is he is WR23, so a WR2 to most teams. lol Are we serious here?

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Guys, I know we all want to talk about Gordon's one big season, but let's not forget the fact that the last time this guy played in the league, he was very average.  He played in 5 games in 2014 and didn't score a single touchdown. 

Here are his stats for the 2014 season:

Week 12: 8 receptions 120 yards

Week 13: 7 rec  75 yards

Week 14: 2 rec  15 yards

Week 15: 3 rec  48 yards

Week 16: 4 rec  45 yards

 

That killed many people's fantasy playoffs.   And that was three years ago.  So proceded with caution.

 

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Thats the point, proceed with caution...wait a week. I sure hope people are not buying the one biased person in here. It would be like listening to a defendants lawyer for all the facts of a case. You will only get one side and the side that benefits one player and all of it may be entirely untrue in the end.

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13 minutes ago, WheelsUp said:

Thats the point, proceed with caution...wait a week. I sure hope people are not buying the one biased person in here. It would be like listening to a defendants lawyer for all the facts of a case. You will only get one side and the side that benefits one player and all of it may be entirely untrue in the end.

Currently my WR’s are Stills, C Davis a banged up JuJu and Gordon. I need a win and I’m in or another team to lose. 

I doubt I’m the only person in this situation but I may have to roll out Gordon before it is advisable to do so. 

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1 hour ago, Soulfly3 said:

Man hasn't topped 73yds since Week 4. Gordon can top that in 1 play, and has done so several times.

Gordon is in my lineup, no matter what. But for those risk adverse, Dez isnt a guy Id be afraid to bench for Gordon. 

Man is the 23rd ranked WR in my PPR league this season. 30th in nonPPR.

No bueno.

Tanker...

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4 minutes ago, I Am the Stig said:

Currently my WR’s are Stills, C Davis a banged up JuJu and Gordon. I need a win and I’m in or another team to lose. 

I doubt I’m the only person in this situation but I may have to roll out Gordon before it is advisable to do so. 

Substitute Dede for Stills and I’m looking at the same group of guys to fill 2 spots. 

My wr1 is Mike Evans. 

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1 minute ago, I Am the Stig said:

Currently my WR’s are Stills, C Davis a banged up JuJu and Gordon. I need a win and I’m in or another team to lose. 

I doubt I’m the only person in this situation but I may have to roll out Gordon before it is advisable to do so. 

In a case like that, there's nothing wrong with rolling out Gordon. Your other options are also question marks. I know it's (old and lame) shtick, but people are posting here that there's suddenly a new WR1 out there and he's a must start.  Look at those 2014 stats.  That's WR5 material.  He's on my roster, so I hope he returns to his 2013 form. But I need to see it first.  I can't afford a 3 for 45 starter in my lineup.

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21 hours ago, WheelsUp said:

You act like knowing it is, justifies it. But go on with it, seems to have you guys in a world of fun. I'll try to sift through it for the Gordon news.

You must be a hoot at parties.

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7 minutes ago, JuniorNB said:

In a case like that, there's nothing wrong with rolling out Gordon. Your other options are also question marks. I know it's (old and lame) shtick, but people are posting here that there's suddenly a new WR1 out there and he's a must start.  Look at those 2014 stats.  That's WR5 material.  He's on my roster, so I hope he returns to his 2013 form. But I need to see it first.  I can't afford a 3 for 45 starter in my lineup.

Exactly, I wish I could afford a see it first week myself. 

On the plus side he isn’t coming back from an injury. 

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If your WRs are Stills, Davis and JuJu you may have to play him, but clearly those are the the issues up for debate. This much is new to me, I was unaware that in order to be fun at parties, you must tolerate shtick on a website. Good to know. Why is it so many are out to defend shtick on this site all of a sudden?

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My receivers are Mike Evans, Marquise Lee, Devante Parker, Amari Cooper, Corey Coleman and Josh Gordon.  

 

I am on the playoff bubble and need 1 Victory Point to lock in a playoff spot.  Just dont  see how I can risk a goose egg or close to it from Gordon. If I needed a Hail Mary I probably start him, but in my case I'd rather bank on 5 to 6 points from Marquise Lee and wait a week.

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6 minutes ago, WheelsUp said:

If your WRs are Stills, Davis and JuJu you may have to play him, but clearly those are the the issues up for debate. This much is new to me, I was unaware that in order to be fun at parties, you must tolerate shtick on a website. Good to know. Why is it so many are out to defend shtick on this site all of a sudden?

Until he has ONE game under his belt after all this, shtick is all we've got.

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1 minute ago, unckeyherb said:

My receivers are Mike Evans, Marquise Lee, Devante Parker, Amari Cooper, Corey Coleman and Josh Gordon.  

 

I am on the playoff bubble and need 1 Victory Point to lock in a playoff spot.  Just dont  see how I can risk a goose egg or close to it from Gordon. If I needed a Hail Mary I probably start him, but in my case I'd rather bank on 5 to 6 points from Marquise Lee and wait a week.

In this case, Evans/Coleman is the safe play.

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Dez isnt winning you games. Not once this season. He puts up abysmal weeks and a couple ok ones. 

Benching him for Gordon, worst case, will lose you what exactly? Guy is averaging 55yds a game. 

If you think Gordon comes in and can't possibly get 55yds,then ok... Im wrong. 

Even w a 3yr layoff, Gordon can hit 55yds on one catch, imo. No idea how this is schtick. By saying id start him over a near dud? Please. 

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17 hours ago, CalBear said:

Do you think that maybe the fact they had an awesome WR might have had something to do with that? Their leading rusher had 377 yards. Their #2 WR had 465 yards. The defense ranked 23rd in points allowed. They had Jason Campbell, Brandon Weeden, and Brian Hoyer at QB. And it's not like they were even mediocre; they went 4-12.

This year's Browns team ranks 25th in passing yardage and their leading WR has 322 yards. I think it's safe to say they could have won one or two of their three 3-point losses if they replaced Ricardo Louis (or is it Louis Ricardo?) with 2013's Josh Gordon. 

 

Maybe so.  

FBGs has Gordon ranked as WR38 in the top 200 forward article.  

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12 minutes ago, Soulfly3 said:

Dez isnt winning you games. Not once this season. He puts up abysmal weeks and a couple ok ones. 

Benching him for Gordon, worst case, will lose you what exactly? Guy is averaging 55yds a game. 

If you think Gordon comes in and can't possibly get 55yds,then ok... Im wrong. 

Even w a 3yr layoff, Gordon can hit 55yds on one catch, imo. No idea how this is schtick. By saying id start him over a near dud? Please. 

The shtick is talking about how 55 yards is a lock, but totally ignoring my post where I stated the FACT that in last three NFL regular season games Gordon has played in, he's gotten 15, 48, and 45 yards. 

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Anything less than 3TDs this week will be a disappointment, right?

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13 minutes ago, JuniorNB said:

The shtick is talking about how 55 yards is a lock, but totally ignoring my post where I stated the FACT that in last three NFL regular season games Gordon has played in, he's gotten 15, 48, and 45 yards. 

Sure, that is a fact. 

Also, a fact that they didnt have weapons like coleman, crow, duke and njoku to take double coverage off Gordon. 

Im not even arguing he's gonna go 100/1 (he will, but im not arguing it)... Im just saying starting him over Dez isnt mind-blowing. Dez has been poo. 

The argument being made above me is that Gordon is avging 0yds a game... That's shtick. Cuz then you're telling me you'd bench gordon for ANY player that caught one pass this season. 

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30 minutes ago, Soulfly3 said:

Dez isnt winning you games. Not once this season. He puts up abysmal weeks and a couple ok ones. 

Benching him for Gordon, worst case, will lose you what exactly? Guy is averaging 55yds a game. 

If you think Gordon comes in and can't possibly get 55yds,then ok... Im wrong. 

Even w a 3yr layoff, Gordon can hit 55yds on one catch, imo. No idea how this is schtick. By saying id start him over a near dud? Please. 

May want to talk to Dodds.  He has Gordon projected at 7.3 points and Dez at 13.4.

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22 minutes ago, BassNBrew said:

May want to talk to Dodds.  He has Gordon projected at 7.3 points and Dez at 13.4.

Im fine w that projection. He's lowballing on his return. 

But in my PPR league, Dez has topped 13.4 only 5x this season. Which is abysmal, for him. 

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55 minutes ago, Soulfly3 said:

Im fine w that projection. He's lowballing on his return. 

But in my PPR league, Dez has topped 13.4 only 5x this season. Which is abysmal, for him. 

In my non-PPR Lg, Dez has topped his projections twice (just barely), and is avg just under 6pts/game on the season to date.  He is constantly scoring at least 4pts under his projections on a weekly basis.  

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1 hour ago, JuniorNB said:

The shtick is talking about how 55 yards is a lock, but totally ignoring my post where I stated the FACT that in last three NFL regular season games Gordon has played in, he's gotten 15, 48, and 45 yards. 

Not for nothing, but you also posted that his first game back in that regular season he went for 120 yards - which you conveniently left out.  This game was against the Falcons where Hoyer was throwing the ball everywhere (322 yds).

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Here are his stats for the 2014 season:

Week 12: 8 receptions 120 yards

Week 13: 7 rec  75 yards

Week 14: 2 rec  15 yards

Week 15: 3 rec  48 yards

Week 16: 4 rec  45 yards

There's something to be said for a talented player entering his first game back after a long hiatus.  Many believe he's lost a step or will need time to acclimate, and it's during this time of underestimating a player that they tend to shine.  I'd have to think there should be a small bump in projections because of this type of situation.

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6 minutes ago, Peak said:

Not for nothing, but you also posted that his first game back in that regular season he went for 120 yards - which you conveniently left out.  This game was against the Falcons where Hoyer was throwing the ball everywhere (322 yds).

There's something to be said for a talented player entering his first game back after a long hiatus.  Many believe he's lost a step or will need time to acclimate, and it's during this time of underestimating a player that they tend to shine.  I'd have to think there should be a small bump in projections because of this type of situation.

I didn't leave it out. I said he didn't find the end zone one time in five games and proceeded to list his receptions and yardage in those five games. And I listed the 8 receptions for 120 yards game.  What's the problem?

I also mentioned that in the three fantasy playoff weeks, he had 15, 45, and 48 yards. And 9 catches. Total. 

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5 minutes ago, JuniorNB said:

I didn't leave it out. I said he didn't find the end zone one time in five games and proceeded to list his receptions and yardage in those five games. And I listed the 8 receptions for 120 yards game.  What's the problem?

I also mentioned that in the three fantasy playoff weeks, he had 15, 45, and 48 yards. And 9 catches. Total. 

Latest conversations were more about yardage and not TDs, but that's fine.  My point was more in what you missed in my post in that his first game back it appears as if Gordon may have been under-estimated, thus him go for 120 yards.  As you said, that was a non-playoff week - but so is his return for this weeks game.  That was more my point.  My perception of your post is that you moved away from that phenomenon to focus more on his lackluster performances and ignored the statistical anomaly of his first game back after a long hiatus.

In the end, who really knows how he'll do.  It comes down to how much you (the FF Team Manager) perceive his value to be vs any other player.  In the case of Dez vs Gordon, I see a little more upside with Gordon than I do Dez this week, hence my point in putting Gordon in over Dez.  YMMV.

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1 minute ago, Peak said:

Latest conversations were more about yardage and not TDs, but that's fine.  My point was more in what you missed in my post in that his first game back it appears as if Gordon may have been under-estimated, thus him go for 120 yards.  As you said, that was a non-playoff week - but so is his return for this weeks game.  That was more my point.  My perception of your post is that you moved away from that phenomenon to focus more on his lackluster performances and ignored the statistical anomaly of his first game back after a long hiatus.

In the end, who really knows how he'll do.  It comes down to how much you (the FF Team Manager) perceive his value to be vs any other player.  In the case of Dez vs Gordon, I see a little more upside with Gordon than I do Dez this week, hence my point in putting Gordon in over Dez.  YMMV.

Bottom line is, no one has any clue what Gordon will do on Sunday. I guess if Kizor force feeds him 15 targets, he could have a productive day. But that in-and-of-itself is a complete unknown. Maybe it's Coleman he has more faith in and Gordon gets 5 targets and 3 catches. I guess if someone is desperate and wants to take a flyer on him being 2013-Gordon and not 2014-Gordon, they have the right.  As someone who's been disappointed in Diggs as my WR3, I hope he is every bit of 2013-Gordon.  But I'll gladly leave those points on the bench for one week before utilizing him rather than risk a 2 receptions for 20 yards game. 

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On 11/28/2017 at 8:15 AM, Soulfly3 said:

True, he wont have studs throwing him the ball like he did before

One thing to note, at least Kizer can get the ball downfield. That wasn't really the case with any of our former QB's. That said if Kizer gets hurt and the midget comes in, we're ####ed.

We're ####ed regardless but less so with Kizer under center.

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He sounds like a wonderful person....if you look past the drug addict, drug dealing, non malicious people shooting, car thief thing....Sounds like he'll have a long career.

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