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kegger, nobody gives two ####s

I'm sorry if my conversation or listing what I'm doing doesn't help you.It "may" give others some thought and chat about what they are doing which"could" help others along the way, Sorry but I feel people listing what theyare doing as good useful info, you can take it or leave it.Cheers,Keg
tell me how you telling us about starting palmer helps us inthe mcfadden thread?
I admire your enthusiasm but don't bother. Folks like that will delude themselves into somehow thinking anyone gives a rat's ### about his team and league. He'll also bend over backwards to justify clogging up the thread with crap like that under the guise of "it might help someone!1!!1!".

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Guess there is no sense in talking fantasy football in the forum.

(regardless of whether it was a QB from the same team as the Rb's)

Have at it guy's.. (let's just have many more policing posts instead)

I'm out, you'll not have to hear another peep from me about it in here.

Take care,

Keg

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Guess there is no sense in talking fantasy football in the forum.(regardless of whether it was a QB from the same team as the Rb's)Have at it guy's.. (let's just have many more policing posts instead)I'm out, you'll not have to hear another peep from me about it in here.Take care,Keg

You carry the martyr complex well. Enjoy taking your ball home. :thumbup:

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Taking my ball home, you just told me to shut up.

(all I am trying to do is as you wish) That's it..

Can I be done NOW then..

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RN I'm not going anywhere,

Just going to "try" an not carry the conversation in This Thread any longer.

(Unless I'm asked anything about what I have posted is all)

See yu over in the Raiders thread I'm sure.. :)

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RN I'm not going anywhere, Just going to "try" an not carry the conversation in This Thread any longer.(Unless I'm asked anything about what I have posted is all)See yu over in the Raiders thread I'm sure.. :)

You're still talking.

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Have at it guy's.. (let's just have many more policing posts instead)I'm out, you'll not have to hear another peep from me about it in here.

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Last night's blind bid waivers were surprising to me. Reece was bid on heavily as if he was some sort of late season bellcow, while Jones was ignored. I put in minimum bids $1 for Jones and got him in all 3 of my leagues. Everyone is sleeping on Jones potential.

I can't blame the guys that went after Reece though. He's got a higher floor and maybe similar ceiling to Jones in PPR. Even if Jones is the starter on Sunday, the ground game could get clogged up if the Raiders trail early. Jones could all but disappear while Reece's touches in the hurry up - catch up would go up.

Still I think most owners are overvaluing Reece and undervaluing Jones. Jones is lightning quick, faster than DMC and is better at the one-cut-and-go system than DMC. It wouldn’t be surprising to see Taiwan Jones break off a couple long runs or breakaway TD, as it would be to see him completely shut down. It’s speculation either way, a classic boom/bust start.

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Last night's blind bid waivers were surprising to me. Reece was bid on heavily as if he was some sort of late season bellcow, while Jones was ignored. I put in minimum bids $1 for Jones and got him in all 3 of my leagues. Everyone is sleeping on Jones potential.I can't blame the guys that went after Reece though. He's got a higher floor and maybe similar ceiling to Jones in PPR. Even if Jones is the starter on Sunday, the ground game could get clogged up if the Raiders trail early. Jones could all but disappear while Reece's touches in the hurry up - catch up would go up. Still I think most owners are overvaluing Reece and undervaluing Jones. Jones is lightning quick, faster than DMC and is better at the one-cut-and-go system than DMC. It wouldn’t be surprising to see Taiwan Jones break off a couple long runs or breakaway TD, as it would be to see him completely shut down. It’s speculation either way, a classic boom/bust start.

I expect Reece to get 40-50% of the carries, all 3rd downs and Red Zone. Jones cannot pass protect and this makes Reece the play IMO.

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I'm trying to sell right now...

It all depends on the makeup of your team, but here's what I'm hoping to do with McFadden.

RB: DMC, Charles, CJ2k

WR: Welker, Demaryius Thomas, Dez, Torrey Smith, Denarius Moore

TE: Tamme

I'm basically packaging DMC with 1 WR (Dez/Torrey/Moore) and asking for a RB and a stud TE (Gonzo, Witten...that tier)

Something like McFadden + Torrey Smith for Witten + Michael Turner

not sure how it will play out.

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Last night's blind bid waivers were surprising to me. Reece was bid on heavily as if he was some sort of late season bellcow, while Jones was ignored. I put in minimum bids $1 for Jones and got him in all 3 of my leagues. Everyone is sleeping on Jones potential.I can't blame the guys that went after Reece though. He's got a higher floor and maybe similar ceiling to Jones in PPR. Even if Jones is the starter on Sunday, the ground game could get clogged up if the Raiders trail early. Jones could all but disappear while Reece's touches in the hurry up - catch up would go up. Still I think most owners are overvaluing Reece and undervaluing Jones. Jones is lightning quick, faster than DMC and is better at the one-cut-and-go system than DMC. It wouldn’t be surprising to see Taiwan Jones break off a couple long runs or breakaway TD, as it would be to see him completely shut down. It’s speculation either way, a classic boom/bust start.

Reece (me) and Jones both went for $1 in one league, and got Jones for $1 in another (Reece bid was high). Both leagues have Raider fans in it, which is concerning.

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I expect Reece to get 40-50% of the carries, all 3rd downs and Red Zone. Jones cannot pass protect and this makes Reece the play IMO.

But that's not the way Reece has ever been used. He's always had limited touches and remember he's a converted WR playing a FB position, not a true RB at all. I'll say the percentage could be 40% to 50% for total snaps played, but still he's a fullback so that isn't really telling. Reeece is not a good pass protector either, and the speculation that he is going to be a red zone specialist is pure guesstimation.

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The fact that Oakland didn't pick up any RBs off the street this week is telling. They're obviously expecting one of them back soon.

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The fact that Oakland didn't pick up any RBs off the street this week is telling. They're obviously expecting one of them back soon.

Most likely it is the one with the legs of a NFL running back....not the one with the legs of a 14 year old.

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The fact that Oakland didn't pick up any RBs off the street this week is telling. They're obviously expecting one of them back soon.

Most likely it is the one with the legs of a NFL running back....not the one with the legs of a 14 year old.
Goodson is in a walking boot. Doubt it's him... Bramel seems to think that DMC's injury is only a 1-3 week thing.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/nfl-rapidreports/20871818/raiders-making-contingency-plans-if-rbs-darren-mcfadden-mike-goodson-cant-play

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The fact that Oakland didn't pick up any RBs off the street this week is telling. They're obviously expecting one of them back soon.

Most likely it is the one with the legs of a NFL running back....not the one with the legs of a 14 year old.
Goodson is in a walking boot. Doubt it's him... Bramel seems to think that DMC's injury is only a 1-3 week thing.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/nfl-rapidreports/20871818/raiders-making-contingency-plans-if-rbs-darren-mcfadden-mike-goodson-cant-play

Good, because I JUST dropped him (would hate for him to be the one to return first). Silly me for handcuffing McFadden with this bum. Oh well, I was able to grab Jones for cheap. Didn't want to splurge on Reece not knowing the status of McFadden.

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This Taiwan Jones talk is making me regret picking up Reece now.

I wouldn't. Reece was putting up solid PPR numbers pretty regularly even with Mcfadden and Goodson healthy. Even if Jones gets the bulk of the carries, Reece should still put up solid numbers through the passing game.

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This Taiwan Jones talk is making me regret picking up Reece now.

I picked up both and regrettably now am the "proud" owner of 3 OAK RBs.. As it stands now I have Reece in as my RB2 (PPR) due to Richardson and Morris being on BYE. After reading the comments made by Palmer regarding Jones, it may sway me to make a swap. Good luck!

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There was no sign of Darren McFadden or Mike Goodson in the portion of Raiders practice open to the media Thursday, leaving Marcel Reece, Taiwan Jones and Jeremy Stewart to handle the reps at running back.Once the team moved from stretching to drills, the first play was a handoff from starting quarterback Carson Palmer to Reece, who may get the lion’s share of the carries Sunday in Baltimore if McFadden and Goodson can’t play on their sprained ankles.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-oakland-raiders/raiders-talk/No-sign-of-McFadden-Goodson-at-Raiders-p?blockID=799369&feedID=2801

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Regardless of all the hype that's been created, by myself and others, if you own both Reece and Jones I'd still be inclined to start Reece this week. I think we need to take a wait and see approach with Jones but the potential, opportunity (and match ups) are there for him to make a big fantasy impact down the stretch. I'm only flexing him if I have no other options.

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Picked up both. Got 4 Oak RBs on my bench. Probably not a good thing. :unsure:

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Picked up both. Got 4 Oak RBs on my bench. Probably not a good thing. :unsure:

probably 4 too many....i still think reece is the play

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Picked up both. Got 4 Oak RBs on my bench. Probably not a good thing. :unsure:

probably 4 too many....i still think reece is the play
Yea maxed out my moves for the week so no sense in dropping anyone. I'll see what emerges from the mess.

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CSN Bay Area's Paul Gutierrez expects Taiwan Jones to be the "bell cow" in Baltimore this week with FB Marcel Reece playing primarily in passing situations.

It may be the first and last time we ever see "bell cow" and "Taiwan Jones" in the same sentence. Coordinator Greg Knapp attributes Jones' limited early-season role to "ball security and assignments," noting that injuries have limited his practice reps so far. "But I'm excited for the young kid. I hope he gets a chance to get in there and get some successful plays to build his confidence," said Knapp. "He's one of the fastest I've been around. He has that ability to burst and separate right away. That trait is obviously not coachable." Jones has split first-team reps with Marcel Reece this week.

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DMC gottabe the bust of the yr, especially since CJ has pulled a couple of good games together lately

Oh yeah for sure! CJ is actually fun to own once again...I wish I didn't trade him away 4 weeks ago before he exploded! McFadden and I'd say demarco murray are duking it out for biggest first round busts.

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DMC gottabe the bust of the yr, especially since CJ has pulled a couple of good games together lately

Oh yeah for sure! CJ is actually fun to own once again...I wish I didn't trade him away 4 weeks ago before he exploded! McFadden and I'd say demarco murray are duking it out for biggest first round busts.
Great! Since I drafted them BOTH. :angry: Thank god for getting good value out of Ryan, Martin and Thomas.

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DMC gottabe the bust of the yr, especially since CJ has pulled a couple of good games together lately

Oh yeah for sure! CJ is actually fun to own once again...I wish I didn't trade him away 4 weeks ago before he exploded! McFadden and I'd say demarco murray are duking it out for biggest first round busts.
Great! Since I drafted them BOTH. :angry:
Same here. I am 8-1 because of Ryan, Harvin, Marshall, Witten, and Lynch. Hopefully these two can be back for the fantasy playoffs and offer some help to my team.

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DMC gottabe the bust of the yr, especially since CJ has pulled a couple of good games together lately

A couple good games?In his last 6 games he's run for 691 yards and 3 TD's with a 6.06 YPC.He's been a complete beast.

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is reece still considered the play over Jones? i am also concerned about the raiders going cross country. their history shows they tend to suck in these games. wondering if it would be better to avoid all these options this week, esp with the uncertainty with their roles. either Jones or reese could be a complete bust this week, maybe both with the state of the raiders running game

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thanks for the morning hijack and update on your fantasy teams guys. Any news related to the OP discussion this fine morning? :coffee:

Thanks for the morning hijack, complaining about other people without offering anything to the discussion yourself. :coffee:

is reece still considered the play over Jones? i am also concerned about the raiders going cross country. their history shows they tend to suck in these games. wondering if it would be better to avoid all these options this week, esp with the uncertainty with their roles. either Jones or reese could be a complete bust this week, maybe both with the state of the raiders running game

I'd still play Reece over Jones if I had the chance, at least in PPR. Reece was putting up solid numbers pretty regularly in the passing game, even when Mcfadden and Goodson were playing. Even if Jones is the bellcow running back, Reece still could add 10-15 points in PPR through the air. Edited by solorca

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thanks for the morning hijack and update on your fantasy teams guys. Any news related to the OP discussion this fine morning? :coffee:

Thanks for the morning hijack, complaining about other people without offering anything to the discussion yourself. :coffee:

is reece still considered the play over Jones? i am also concerned about the raiders going cross country. their history shows they tend to suck in these games. wondering if it would be better to avoid all these options this week, esp with the uncertainty with their roles. either Jones or reese could be a complete bust this week, maybe both with the state of the raiders running game

I'd still play Reece over Jones if I had the chance, at least in PPR. Reece was putting up solid numbers pretty regularly in the passing game, even when Mcfadden and Goodson were playing. Even if Jones is the bellcow running back, Reece still could add 10-15 points in PPR through the air.
my options are horrible at the moment. trying to decide between Reese, Daniel Thomas, and fragile Felix Jones. yikes

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is reece still considered the play over Jones? i am also concerned about the raiders going cross country. their history shows they tend to suck in these games. wondering if it would be better to avoid all these options this week, esp with the uncertainty with their roles. either Jones or reese could be a complete bust this week, maybe both with the state of the raiders running game

I think Reese is the PPR play for sure. I am contemplating pulling the trigger and putting him in my flex spot over Pierre & Stewart but I am not sure at the moment.

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thanks for the morning hijack and update on your fantasy teams guys. Any news related to the OP discussion this fine morning? :coffee:

Thanks for the morning hijack, complaining about other people without offering anything to the discussion yourself. :coffee:

is reece still considered the play over Jones? i am also concerned about the raiders going cross country. their history shows they tend to suck in these games. wondering if it would be better to avoid all these options this week, esp with the uncertainty with their roles. either Jones or reese could be a complete bust this week, maybe both with the state of the raiders running game

I'd still play Reece over Jones if I had the chance, at least in PPR. Reece was putting up solid numbers pretty regularly in the passing game, even when Mcfadden and Goodson were playing. Even if Jones is the bellcow running back, Reece still could add 10-15 points in PPR through the air.
my options are horrible at the moment. trying to decide between Reese, Daniel Thomas, and fragile Felix Jones. yikes
Felix is probably the safe choice. He gets enough catches out of the backfield to put up solid points in PPR, even though he sucks.Reece would be an upside play because of the potential.Daniel Thomas is another relatively safe choice, but probably has the least amount of upside.

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Evan Silva ‏@evansilva

Don't trust Taiwan Jones at all. #Raiders coaches don't either. Wouldn't be surprised if he finished game with single-digit carries. Avoid.

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I think anyone that follows the Raiders closely would be very surprised if Reece gets more than a few carries. I think the higher floor, especially in PPR is Reece, but I think Taiwan gets alomst all of the looks in the running game and has a much higher ceiling. If I had a choice between the two I would start Taiwan.

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Evan Silva ‏@evansilva Don't trust Taiwan Jones at all. #Raiders coaches don't either. Wouldn't be surprised if he finished game with single-digit carries. Avoid.

I dunno is Silva credible on a regular basis?

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(1) Has DMC ever had a high ankle sprain before? If so, how long did he take before he came back to playing in games?

(2) Anybody trade DMC since the high ankle sprain injury? Who did you get back in return?

I'm debating whether I should keep him or trade him. He's got such a great upside and he's got a very nice fantasy playoff schedule.

Keep or Trade? That's the question.

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I think anyone that follows the Raiders closely would be very surprised if Reece gets more than a few carries. I think the higher floor, especially in PPR is Reece, but I think Taiwan gets alomst all of the looks in the running game and has a much higher ceiling. If I had a choice between the two I would start Taiwan.

Yay! I just picked up Taiwan Jones in both my leagues. Marcel went off on Wednesday, and I picked up Taiwan cheaply today.P.S. If you could get Jonathan Stewart or Rashard Mendenhall in return for DMC, would you do it?

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(1) Has DMC ever had a high ankle sprain before? If so, how long did he take before he came back to playing in games?(2) Anybody trade DMC since the high ankle sprain injury? Who did you get back in return?I'm debating whether I should keep him or trade him. He's got such a great upside and he's got a very nice fantasy playoff schedule.Keep or Trade? That's the question.

I got an offer of spiller, Denarius Moore, and Paulsen for DMC, Stevie Johnson, and vernon. I considered it, but eventually passed.

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(1) Has DMC ever had a high ankle sprain before? If so, how long did he take before he came back to playing in games?

One cause for concern is that his HAS is on the same side that he suffered the Lisfranc injury. Stephania Bell from ESPN mentioned that it could present a problem

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(1) Has DMC ever had a high ankle sprain before? If so, how long did he take before he came back to playing in games?(2) Anybody trade DMC since the high ankle sprain injury? Who did you get back in return?I'm debating whether I should keep him or trade him. He's got such a great upside and he's got a very nice fantasy playoff schedule.Keep or Trade? That's the question.

I got an offer of spiller, Denarius Moore, and Paulsen for DMC, Stevie Johnson, and vernon. I considered it, but eventually passed.
Oh man! I would've taken that in a heartbeat. Spiller's awesome. And I like Denarius more than Steve Johnson. And Paulsen seems more consistent than hi-low Vernon Davis.Ask him if the offer's still on the table. And grab it!

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(1) Has DMC ever had a high ankle sprain before? If so, how long did he take before he came back to playing in games?(2) Anybody trade DMC since the high ankle sprain injury? Who did you get back in return?I'm debating whether I should keep him or trade him. He's got such a great upside and he's got a very nice fantasy playoff schedule.Keep or Trade? That's the question.

I got an offer of spiller, Denarius Moore, and Paulsen for DMC, Stevie Johnson, and vernon. I considered it, but eventually passed.
woah i wouldve taken that in a second

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