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Everyone on this thread needs to read that link.

I'd be OK with mechanical issues from Sam, in fact I expected some the first couple of weeks ... he threw all of 13 preseason passes after not playing a regular-season game since 2013. You can't expect a guy like that to come in and drop 20-yard back-shoulder throws into a 2-inch circle right out of the chute.

But I'm not OK with a guy who doesn't look like he's progressing through his reads or can't get his timing right in a passing offense that's predicated on quick reads and timing. From the looks of that breakdown, it looks like Bradford's problems are as much if not more about that than his mechanics. That's - to put it lightly - concerning.

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It's a tough matchup this week for Bradford, I risked him as my #2qb in my start 2Qb league, which has a high point scoring for Qbs, but he is killing me right now.

I could pickup kap, fitz, tyler, carr for rest of season, but i do think it will get better for bradford but i really want to cut him because i am so mad at myself for drinking the chip kool aid...

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wow, that chipwagon article says a lot. I'm still optimistic that this is lack-of-real-preseason rust, but Bradford really not looking like the quick decision maker and super accurate passer he's been billed as.

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It's a tough matchup this week for Bradford, I risked him as my #2qb in my start 2Qb league, which has a high point scoring for Qbs, but he is killing me right now.

I could pickup kap, fitz, tyler, carr for rest of season, but i do think it will get better for bradford but i really want to cut him because i am so mad at myself for drinking the chip kool aid...

Ehhh... I'd guess that most of us in this hobby have a piece of Chip's offense in a league or two -- he was wildly successful his first two years. I think he will be this year, eventually -- I'm just not sold that it will be with Bradford. If you have roomk and he's available, I'd be quietly looking to add Sanchez sooner rather than later.

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dodds for my scoring system has him ranked 26th rest of season...

imploring me to see if i should snag kap or taylor over him....

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dodds for my scoring system has him ranked 26th rest of season...

imploring me to see if i should snag kap or taylor over him....

Dealing with Brees' issues and was very pleased to be able to get Taylor, especially with multiple QBs hurt or struggling now (Brees, Romo and the next best thing Sammy et al).

He will have ups and downs for sure, but if he averages 50 or so rushing yards a week, that goes a long way to making him at least startworthy in most formats, with as much upside as any middling or worse QB.

Is Daulton available? He was, surprisingly in one of my leagues, but in leagues where teams can carry just one QB, he may be there if waivers have not run for you yet this week.

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dodds for my scoring system has him ranked 26th rest of season...

imploring me to see if i should snag kap or taylor over him....

Dealing with Brees' issues and was very pleased to be able to get Taylor, especially with multiple QBs hurt or struggling now (Brees, Romo and the next best thing Sammy et al).

He will have ups and downs for sure, but if he averages 50 or so rushing yards a week, that goes a long way to making him at least startworthy in most formats, with as much upside as any middling or worse QB.

Is Daulton available? He was, surprisingly in one of my leagues, but in leagues where teams can carry just one QB, he may be there if waivers have not run for you yet this week.

Nope 2 qb league with short bench

Kap, fitz, Carr, Taylor

Or Bradford

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dodds for my scoring system has him ranked 26th rest of season...

imploring me to see if i should snag kap or taylor over him....

Dealing with Brees' issues and was very pleased to be able to get Taylor, especially with multiple QBs hurt or struggling now (Brees, Romo and the next best thing Sammy et al).

He will have ups and downs for sure, but if he averages 50 or so rushing yards a week, that goes a long way to making him at least startworthy in most formats, with as much upside as any middling or worse QB.

Is Daulton available? He was, surprisingly in one of my leagues, but in leagues where teams can carry just one QB, he may be there if waivers have not run for you yet this week.

Nope 2 qb league with short bench

Kap, fitz, Carr, Taylor

Or Bradford

went with Taylor in my 2Qb as well, dropped Flacco

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Ok i know the numbers were pedestrian but did anyone watch the game? I didn't expect much vs the Jets but how did he look? I only ask because they face Washington next week.

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I'm not 100% sure, but I think I saw him throw a pass more than 10 yards downfield today.

yeah i saw the td pass to ryan mathews

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He was better. Still not making it through his progressions as much as you would like but he seems less rusty than the last two. So its like the preseason for him except they count. Getting into form.

There were about 4 sure TDs. 2 throws he missed (one to Agholar). 2 were drops by Mathews and Sproles on wheel routes. The two drops were about 100+ total yards and two TDs. So he could have had a big day but dems da breaks.

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I'm not 100% sure, but I think I saw him throw a pass more than 10 yards downfield today.

yeah i saw the td pass to ryan mathews

1 more than Matt Stafford

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He was better. Still not making it through his progressions as much as you would like but he seems less rusty than the last two. So its like the preseason for him except they count. Getting into form.

There were about 4 sure TDs. 2 throws he missed (one to Agholar). 2 were drops by Mathews and Sproles on wheel routes. The two drops were about 100+ total yards and two TDs. So he could have had a big day but dems da breaks.

The numbers usually even out if he's really playing great ball. Three games under 80 passer rating so far.

The ball placement on some of the 'drops' bother me. Guys are in the air, on the ground or turned the wrong way. Yea, they should haul them in, but I generally blame the passer when they aren't hit in stride. That's just me though.

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He was better. Still not making it through his progressions as much as you would like but he seems less rusty than the last two. So its like the preseason for him except they count. Getting into form.

There were about 4 sure TDs. 2 throws he missed (one to Agholar). 2 were drops by Mathews and Sproles on wheel routes. The two drops were about 100+ total yards and two TDs. So he could have had a big day but dems da breaks.

The numbers usually even out if he's really playing great ball. Three games under 80 passer rating so far.

The ball placement on some of the 'drops' bother me. Guys are in the air, on the ground or turned the wrong way. Yea, they should haul them in, but I generally blame the passer when they aren't hit in stride. That's just me though.

That was true for the Mathews drop. The Sproles drop was a perfect throw, however.

Let's see what he can do against the Redskins' mediocre at best secondary.

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He was better. Still not making it through his progressions as much as you would like but he seems less rusty than the last two. So its like the preseason for him except they count. Getting into form.

There were about 4 sure TDs. 2 throws he missed (one to Agholar). 2 were drops by Mathews and Sproles on wheel routes. The two drops were about 100+ total yards and two TDs. So he could have had a big day but dems da breaks.

The numbers usually even out if he's really playing great ball. Three games under 80 passer rating so far.

The ball placement on some of the 'drops' bother me. Guys are in the air, on the ground or turned the wrong way. Yea, they should haul them in, but I generally blame the passer when they aren't hit in stride. That's just me though.

That was true for the Mathews drop. The Sproles drop was a perfect throw, however.

Let's see what he can do against the Redskins' mediocre at best secondary.

http://chipwagon.typepad.com/eagles/2015/09/a-momentary-sigh-of-relief-but-qb-struggles-continue.html

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He was better. Still not making it through his progressions as much as you would like but he seems less rusty than the last two. So its like the preseason for him except they count. Getting into form.

There were about 4 sure TDs. 2 throws he missed (one to Agholar). 2 were drops by Mathews and Sproles on wheel routes. The two drops were about 100+ total yards and two TDs. So he could have had a big day but dems da breaks.

The numbers usually even out if he's really playing great ball. Three games under 80 passer rating so far.

The ball placement on some of the 'drops' bother me. Guys are in the air, on the ground or turned the wrong way. Yea, they should haul them in, but I generally blame the passer when they aren't hit in stride. That's just me though.

That was true for the Mathews drop. The Sproles drop was a perfect throw, however.

Let's see what he can do against the Redskins' mediocre at best secondary.

It shows they have the #2 pass D in the NFL, but maybe that hasn't taken into account week 3 yet.

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He was better. Still not making it through his progressions as much as you would like but he seems less rusty than the last two. So its like the preseason for him except they count. Getting into form.

There were about 4 sure TDs. 2 throws he missed (one to Agholar). 2 were drops by Mathews and Sproles on wheel routes. The two drops were about 100+ total yards and two TDs. So he could have had a big day but dems da breaks.

The numbers usually even out if he's really playing great ball. Three games under 80 passer rating so far.

The ball placement on some of the 'drops' bother me. Guys are in the air, on the ground or turned the wrong way. Yea, they should haul them in, but I generally blame the passer when they aren't hit in stride. That's just me though.

That was true for the Mathews drop. The Sproles drop was a perfect throw, however.

Let's see what he can do against the Redskins' mediocre at best secondary.

http://chipwagon.typepad.com/eagles/2015/09/a-momentary-sigh-of-relief-but-qb-struggles-continue.html

Great link. Enjoyed that, thanks. :thumbup:

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I'm starting him the next two weeks add tannehills replacement. Two bad defenses in Washington and new Orleans but im not confident. Pray for me

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He was better. Still not making it through his progressions as much as you would like but he seems less rusty than the last two. So its like the preseason for him except they count. Getting into form.

There were about 4 sure TDs. 2 throws he missed (one to Agholar). 2 were drops by Mathews and Sproles on wheel routes. The two drops were about 100+ total yards and two TDs. So he could have had a big day but dems da breaks.

The numbers usually even out if he's really playing great ball. Three games under 80 passer rating so far.

The ball placement on some of the 'drops' bother me. Guys are in the air, on the ground or turned the wrong way. Yea, they should haul them in, but I generally blame the passer when they aren't hit in stride. That's just me though.

That was true for the Mathews drop. The Sproles drop was a perfect throw, however.

Let's see what he can do against the Redskins' mediocre at best secondary.

http://chipwagon.typepad.com/eagles/2015/09/a-momentary-sigh-of-relief-but-qb-struggles-continue.html

Great link. Enjoyed that, thanks. :thumbup:
Thanks. Has to be one of my fav blogs since last season.

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I'm starting him the next two weeks add tannehills replacement. Two bad defenses in Washington and new Orleans but im not confident. Pray for me

As an Eagles fan, in nomine Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sancti, amen.

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I'm starting him the next two weeks add tannehills replacement. Two bad defenses in Washington and new Orleans but im not confident. Pray for me

Redskins defense has looked good bro

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I watched much of the second half.

The D was always there pressuring him.

I have had my doubts about him under strong pressure and about him taking hits. He totally handled it.

That long TD pass was on the money.

The play before the previous TD, he threw to a totally double covered Matthews. It snuck right past the DBs hands (running, didn't turn to look), right near matthews' gut and the defender behind him couldn't reach but almost did. I did a holy cr how did he and rewound rewatched rewound rewatched thing. Amazing placement.

The Eagles line was terrible. There were no holes for the backs (Washington is 2nd rated run D, maybe top after this week) and as I mentioned above they didn't pass block well.

I don't think you can even jump to a problem with Chip's offense. It wouldn't matter what they plays were or anything if the blocks are going to be that bad. It might be. I doubt it, but I hear what people are saying. I'll tell ya though even if they had the most creative innovative OC in NFL history it wouldn't matter if he had that Oline.

I think Sam made some huge progress to his game during this tough one. I'd be concerned about injury the way they're blocking

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I watched much of the second half.

The D was always there pressuring him.

I have had my doubts about him under strong pressure and about him taking hits. He totally handled it.

That long TD pass was on the money.

The play before the previous TD, he threw to a totally double covered Matthews. It snuck right past the DBs hands (running, didn't turn to look), right near matthews' gut and the defender behind him couldn't reach but almost did. I did a holy cr how did he and rewound rewatched rewound rewatched thing. Amazing placement.

The Eagles line was terrible. There were no holes for the backs (Washington is 2nd rated run D, maybe top after this week) and as I mentioned above they didn't pass block well.

I don't think you can even jump to a problem with Chip's offense. It wouldn't matter what they plays were or anything if the blocks are going to be that bad. It might be. I doubt it, but I hear what people are saying. I'll tell ya though even if they had the most creative innovative OC in NFL history it wouldn't matter if he had that Oline.

I think Sam made some huge progress to his game during this tough one. I'd be concerned about injury the way they're blocking

It was easily the best he's looked all season. But you're right, I can't see much more improvement unless the line improves. On that last drive. Washington was only rushing four and sending eight back into coverage, and they still got Bradford before he could find an open receiver. That compounds the problem. Teams know they can get through this horrible line without having to send linebackers. So that leaves them 8 guy to cover 4 or 5 options. Which makes it even harder for Bradford to find an open guy before getting sacked.

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Did his job with Mariota on bye!

I think he was the number 2 fantasy QB this week.

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I watched much of the second half.

The D was always there pressuring him.

I have had my doubts about him under strong pressure and about him taking hits. He totally handled it.

That long TD pass was on the money.

The play before the previous TD, he threw to a totally double covered Matthews. It snuck right past the DBs hands (running, didn't turn to look), right near matthews' gut and the defender behind him couldn't reach but almost did. I did a holy cr how did he and rewound rewatched rewound rewatched thing. Amazing placement.

The Eagles line was terrible. There were no holes for the backs (Washington is 2nd rated run D, maybe top after this week) and as I mentioned above they didn't pass block well.

I don't think you can even jump to a problem with Chip's offense. It wouldn't matter what they plays were or anything if the blocks are going to be that bad. It might be. I doubt it, but I hear what people are saying. I'll tell ya though even if they had the most creative innovative OC in NFL history it wouldn't matter if he had that Oline.

I think Sam made some huge progress to his game during this tough one. I'd be concerned about injury the way they're blocking

Great post (as usual) , Bri.

I am a huge fan of Chip, but when you go 1-3, you are going to get criticized, and rightly so.

However, it makes no sense to bash him for the following specified reasons.

People are upset that he cleaned house - which of those (mostly) highly paid players are doing well in 2015?

His "simple offense" - same offense that won him twenty games in the first two years.

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He has to get better. Hopefully he is still not 100% from his injury (not wishing him ill health, just attempting to rationalize his erratic accuracy).

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I still need to see him look good for 4 quarters against a good defense to be covinced enough to start him over Palmer. The Saints defense stinks.

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Bradford is horrible. Zero instincts. Really. First pass of the game designed screen to Mathews in the flat. LInebacker standing in the middle, right between Sam's goofy eyes. Normal quarterback thinks "hmm, not a good idea, let me go through progressions". Sam throws it. Lucky it wasn't picked. He does it all the time. Fixated on targets, zero ability to improvise. They'd be better off with Foles or Sanchez. I know what I said.

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Bradford is horrible. Zero instincts. Really. First pass of the game designed screen to Mathews in the flat. LInebacker standing in the middle, right between Sam's goofy eyes. Normal quarterback thinks "hmm, not a good idea, let me go through progressions". Sam throws it. Lucky it wasn't picked. He does it all the time. Fixated on targets, zero ability to improvise. They'd be better off with Foles or Sanchez. I know what I said.

At times he looked oddly comfortable as the line stunk. He also looked stressed and pressured but, not every time. I wonder if the Rams got him used to it.

Announcers pointed out the WRs being wrong several times and another was all him.

Sounds like a new QB on a new team to me.

Just outside the top ten in yards. 9 to 9 isn't good.

Second half of games have been nice though

The O is piling up points lately. No team makes a change when that is happening. Fix that line first

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Bradford is horrible. Zero instincts. Really. First pass of the game designed screen to Mathews in the flat. LInebacker standing in the middle, right between Sam's goofy eyes. Normal quarterback thinks "hmm, not a good idea, let me go through progressions". Sam throws it. Lucky it wasn't picked. He does it all the time. Fixated on targets, zero ability to improvise. They'd be better off with Foles or Sanchez. I know what I said.

At times he looked oddly comfortable as the line stunk. He also looked stressed and pressured but, not every time. I wonder if the Rams got him used to it.

Announcers pointed out the WRs being wrong several times and another was all him.

Sounds like a new QB on a new team to me.

Just outside the top ten in yards. 9 to 9 isn't good.

Second half of games have been nice though

The O is piling up points lately. No team makes a change when that is happening. Fix that line first

I agree that it looks like he just doesn't have it. Good but nowhere near great pocket awareness, struggles reading the defense and not a lot of touch on the ball when he does. Seems like the guy has been hurt his entire career and was surprised to see he has 55 starts in the league. Should be further along IMO.

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Bradford is horrible. Zero instincts. Really. First pass of the game designed screen to Mathews in the flat. LInebacker standing in the middle, right between Sam's goofy eyes. Normal quarterback thinks "hmm, not a good idea, let me go through progressions". Sam throws it. Lucky it wasn't picked. He does it all the time. Fixated on targets, zero ability to improvise. They'd be better off with Foles or Sanchez. I know what I said.

At times he looked oddly comfortable as the line stunk. He also looked stressed and pressured but, not every time. I wonder if the Rams got him used to it.

Announcers pointed out the WRs being wrong several times and another was all him.

Sounds like a new QB on a new team to me.

Just outside the top ten in yards. 9 to 9 isn't good.

Second half of games have been nice though

The O is piling up points lately. No team makes a change when that is happening. Fix that line first

I agree that it looks like he just doesn't have it. Good but nowhere near great pocket awareness, struggles reading the defense and not a lot of touch on the ball when he does. Seems like the guy has been hurt his entire career and was surprised to see he has 55 starts in the league. Should be further along IMO.

When's the last time the Eagles fans liked a QB?

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Bradford is horrible. Zero instincts. Really. First pass of the game designed screen to Mathews in the flat. LInebacker standing in the middle, right between Sam's goofy eyes. Normal quarterback thinks "hmm, not a good idea, let me go through progressions". Sam throws it. Lucky it wasn't picked. He does it all the time. Fixated on targets, zero ability to improvise. They'd be better off with Foles or Sanchez. I know what I said.

At times he looked oddly comfortable as the line stunk. He also looked stressed and pressured but, not every time. I wonder if the Rams got him used to it.

Announcers pointed out the WRs being wrong several times and another was all him.

Sounds like a new QB on a new team to me.

Just outside the top ten in yards. 9 to 9 isn't good.

Second half of games have been nice though

The O is piling up points lately. No team makes a change when that is happening. Fix that line first

I agree that it looks like he just doesn't have it. Good but nowhere near great pocket awareness, struggles reading the defense and not a lot of touch on the ball when he does. Seems like the guy has been hurt his entire career and was surprised to see he has 55 starts in the league. Should be further along IMO.

When's the last time the Eagles fans liked a QB?

I like Foles but most fans hated him for winning games.

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I like Foles but most fans hated him for winning games.

Eagles surely have the oddest of reactions to their franchise QB.

Remember Donovan getting them deep into the playoffs? Yeah they ripped on him

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Worst fan base in the league. And I'm one of them.

Miserable when they lose. Miserable when they win.

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