Darryl Talley
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Dropped for Stafford. Relieved.
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Insein
Footballguy
And most people didn't buy that he regressed. It was more a product of running for his life the first 4 weeks behind 4 backup OLinemen and getting a chest injury from being sat on in the Washington game. THAT'S what pissed me off. People act like 27-2 was a mirage because of bad oline play and since Foles was knocked out for the year after starting 6-2, he never got the chance to refute those nay Sayers.
Well he's having his chance this year and he looks like the guy we saw last year. He hasn't improved.
Insein
Footballguy
Sure give Bradford all the excuses in the world for Learning a new offense blah blah blah but Nick looks average in a Jeff Fisher 1980's offense for 5 games and again he's "who we saw."
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
He didn't even play last year so I don't see the comparisons. And if we are trying to compare to his 2013 season, he was having a very good season before he got hurt. 90.1 rating, 14 TD's, 4 INT's in 7 games. Please stop with the same old Sam Bradford, he sucks commentary.
I'm not going to apologize for him. He has made some bad throws and even worse reads this year, but... hardly a bum. Did everyone expect he'd jump into Chip Kelly's system and be the greatest show on turf overnight?
I'm not going to apologize for him. He has made some bad throws and even worse reads this year, but... hardly a bum. Did everyone expect he'd jump into Chip Kelly's system and be the greatest show on turf overnight?
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Happily dropped for Martavis Bryant. He might be able to turn it around but I think it will be a rough one if he brings a sloppy game to Carolina. Bradford needs to play a mistake free efficient game this week or it could disintegrate quickly.
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
Pretty much
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
They looked really good in the preseason and it seemed to be clicking on all cylinders. Then the media jumped on board and put him in the MVP conversation.
This is a big part of the problem. When we first traded for him, the talk was all about whether or not he could stay healthy. Then there was trepidation about whether or not he'd be healed in time. Then he had a decent game against Baltimore and a monster game against Green Bay. So suddenly there was talk about how great this offense looked and how tough we'd be to beat. And as a diehard Eagles fan, it really increased my excitement too.
As the regular season started, and the offense looked putrid in the first half of the Atlanta game, we realized quickly how irrelevant preseason is. Even the magical third week. At this point, it would take a perfect game for Eagles fans to be pleased with Bradford. He was 10 for 10 in that Green Bay game, so I imagine 25 for 25 might be considered acceptable. Although even then, I'm sure people would criticize the look on his face or that he looks uncomfortable in the pocket.
Insein
Footballguy
Funny I read Foles in place of Bradford in all these spots and 27-2 in place of "Green Bay preseason game". Yet 27-2 happened during the regular season and very few seemed to jump to Nick's defense like this.
I wasn't bashing Foles last year. I'm not that kind of fan. I'll make off-season suggestions. Maybe criticize a move or two, but when the games start, I'm rooting for our guys. And that included Foles.
So what's your suggestion? Trade for Rodgers? Let's hear it.
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Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
RGIII might be interesting next year after the Redskins cut him IMO.
For the 12 snaps he survives until he hurts himself again. RG3 will be out of football by 2017. He's not the answer. For anyone.
Now some people have suggested Kaepernick. That's interesting. Because of the run threat and the options that gives the offense. But if Bradford's inaccuracy irritates, Kaep will infuriate.
Faust
MVP
As Sam Bradford works to improve, clock is ticking for Eagles:
http://espn.go.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/14167/sam-bradford-keeps-on-working-to-get-better
http://espn.go.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/14167/sam-bradford-keeps-on-working-to-get-better
oh God. Please no. Kaep is getting worse and worse. Anyone else but him. He's terrible.
Insein
Footballguy
Wouldn't be surprised if Chip traded a 2nd rounder for him this off season since he has no clue what value is.
if having a running QB is that important, they'd be better off making Ryan Matthews the quarterback. He's a better runner than Kaep and can probably read defenses and throw just as well.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Deamon
Footballguy
If WR's catch balls that hit them in the hands:
70% completion percentage. 0 picks.
Once again you weren't watching the game. Goodnight.
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
IMHO he didn't play great last night, but not bad either. He threw the ball away several times to avoid sacks, often after rolling out to either side to extend the play. CAR got LOTS of penetration, especially after LT Peters left the game. He made mostly the right decisions on where to throw the ball but got little to no help from his WR/TE. Officially 7 drops, but watching the game, there were 4-6 more that *could* have been caught. Drops are subjective and for crying out loud I saw other WRs like Na Brown make Cam look better on the same 'minor inaccuracies' where the ball was high/behind a half step. Bradford hit players in the hands, if a little behind or high or whatever, but it goes both ways. He scrambled on a key 4th down and dove to convert it, rather than force a bad throw. Gutsy, and the right call in converting on a key drive. The INT wasn't a perfect pass, but again... right through the WRs hands and a gift for the LB who was making a tackle on the play and it fell into his lap. Jordan Matthews made little to no effort to get his second foot down on a TD catch. Josh Norman makes a great play to break up another TD opportunity.
Bradford wasn't good, but it was/is better than the box score and IMO he played well enough to win with that D and running game... but he's a limited QB who needs help from his WRs/TEs and right now, it's not happening. Matthews has been terrible. Agholor has been terrible and now he's hurt. Riley Cooper and Miles Austin flat out stink. Josh Huff hasn't done anything to make him worth starting. Sam's just not good enough to elevate mediocre talent in the passing game. Guys are not open, so he checks down to RBs and throws it away lots. Kills the YPA. 10 picks and IIRC 4 (FOUR!) are off or through WRs hands, starting week 1 v ATL w/Matthews.
Sanchez wouldn't be better, watching him last season. Outside on Turkey Day against Dallas, he is what he is. Choosing between the two is a lose-lose at this point.
Bradford wasn't good, but it was/is better than the box score and IMO he played well enough to win with that D and running game... but he's a limited QB who needs help from his WRs/TEs and right now, it's not happening. Matthews has been terrible. Agholor has been terrible and now he's hurt. Riley Cooper and Miles Austin flat out stink. Josh Huff hasn't done anything to make him worth starting. Sam's just not good enough to elevate mediocre talent in the passing game. Guys are not open, so he checks down to RBs and throws it away lots. Kills the YPA. 10 picks and IIRC 4 (FOUR!) are off or through WRs hands, starting week 1 v ATL w/Matthews.
Sanchez wouldn't be better, watching him last season. Outside on Turkey Day against Dallas, he is what he is. Choosing between the two is a lose-lose at this point.
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jurb26
Footballguy
Yeah, last night was in no way on Bradford. His WRs let him down, big time. 7 drops? Is that the official number? It seemed like more than that. Overall I thought he played well. He missed a couple of throws, should have had a TD to Ertz. Everyone misses throws in a game, though.
Feel pretty fortunate that there were so many drops. Philly probably wins if not.
Insein
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Bradford is the only first round bust at QB, that doesn't face any heat from his team's fan-base, in fact they have always and continue to make excuses for him. For a terrible QB (ETA: "terrible is probably too harsh, damn now I'm making excuses for him) he sure lives a charmed life from the viewpoint of not facing the ire of his teams' fans like all other bust QBs have.
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unckeyherb
Footballguy
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
I mean I know he doesn't have the mobility Chip likes or works with the system, but a guy like Mike Glennon is still somehow warming a bench in Tampa...
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
He hasnt gotten his contract yet right? I'm guessing next year he segues into Marc Sanchez premium backup QB class and the Eagles try again. Just watching that offense I can see how a mobile QB could make a difference. As the season progresses it seems odd that Kelly went with Bradford. It seems to me even a moneyball QB (Taylor? Lewis?) with more mobility would have made more sense.
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
lolol. Yes, maybe he can walk up and gently place the ball in their hands.
Skoo
Footballguy
Ummmm...not facing the ire of his team's fans?
How many decades has it been since you've spent time in the Philadelphia area?
lol. Yeah really. 90% of Philly fans have been killing Bradford since his first incompletion in game one.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Reading the Eagles thread here it seems like they all (well most of them) make excuses for him.
Haven't been to Philly since St. Patrick's Day 2014 (when I fell face first into the sidewalk, clearly not the City's fault
) or what is also known as BB (Before Bradford) - my Eagle fan buddy does hate him though so maybe this board isn't a true representation.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
I might be one of the fans that seem like I'm making excuses for him, so to clarify...that's definitely not my intention. I think he's been ok, not great. I think that there seems to be a contingent of fans that want to bury him to make Chip look bad, or to make Foles look good, or to grind some axe with Bradford in general, or all of the above.Reading the Eagles thread here it seems like they all (well most of them) make excuses for him.
Haven't been to Philly since St. Patrick's Day 2014 (when I fell face first into the sidewalk, clearly not the City's fault
The ongoing narrative is that he is a more expensive version of Foles (ie that he was not an upgrade), he can't make the throws, Sanchez would be better, etc. Then someone invariably brings up stats that say Sanchez=Bradford while completely ignoring the downgraded and under-performing O-line, the loss of Maclin, the fact that this WR corps leads the league by far in drops and has local radio comparing the current WR situation to the Pinkston/Thrash years (vomit).
Someone actually noted in the in-game thread, with no sarcasm intended, that the amount of drops by Matthews/Cooper/Huff/Austin and company could be caused by Bradford. This after a game in which the above mentioned players had a combined 8-10 passes bounce off their chests and/or hands. These were drops. Catchable passes that hit starting NFL WR's in the hands then hit the ground. But the poster was attempting to make the case that, since ALL the WR's seemed to have the dropsies, it must mean the QB was doing something wrong. Like spinning the ball too much?
Its absurd the amount of blame that falls on this guys head. If that sounds like I'm making excuses I guess I am. Drop Rodgers into this situation, have these turd-burglars drop double-digit passes per game and watch him discount-double-check himself off the team.
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Insein
Footballguy
I'm not. My initial gut reaction of the trade was to throw up. I backed off that in preseason naturally but now its back.Reading the Eagles thread here it seems like they all (well most of them) make excuses for him.
Haven't been to Philly since St. Patrick's Day 2014 (when I fell face first into the sidewalk, clearly not the City's fault
GoBirds
Footballguy
Hopefully all the excuse making continues and the eagles sign Bradford to a giant contract extension.
That feeling is definitely mutual with any QB the Deadskins have rostered.
great post. It's laughable at this point. Cam Newton had more misses last night than Bradford did. If all those drops became catches, the Eagles win that game going away. I think it was Bradford's best game of the year. Certainly not perfect, but good enough to beat an undefeated team on the road.I might be one of the fans that seem like I'm making excuses for him, so to clarify...that's definitely not my intention. I think he's been ok, not great. I think that there seems to be a contingent of fans that want to bury him to make Chip look bad, or to make Foles look good, or to grind some axe with Bradford in general, or all of the above. The ongoing narrative is that he is a more expensive version of Foles (ie that he was not an upgrade), he can't make the throws, Sanchez would be better, etc. Then someone invariably brings up stats that say Sanchez=Bradford while completely ignoring the downgraded and under-performing O-line, the loss of Maclin, the fact that this WR corps leads the league by far in drops and has local radio comparing the current WR situation to the Pinkston/Thrash years (vomit).Reading the Eagles thread here it seems like they all (well most of them) make excuses for him.
Haven't been to Philly since St. Patrick's Day 2014 (when I fell face first into the sidewalk, clearly not the City's fault
Someone actually noted in the in-game thread, with no sarcasm intended, that the amount of drops by Matthews/Cooper/Huff/Austin and company could be caused by Bradford. This after a game in which the above mentioned players had a combined 8-10 passes bounce off their chests and/or hands. These were drops. Catchable passes that hit starting NFL WR's in the hands then hit the ground. But the poster was attempting to make the case that, since ALL the WR's seemed to have the dropsies, it must mean the QB was doing something wrong. Like spinning the ball too much?
Its absurd the amount of blame that falls on this guys head. If that sounds like I'm making excuses I guess I am. Drop Rodgers into this situation, have these turd-burglars drop double-digit passes per game and watch him discount-double-check himself off the team.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
Right, off the top of my head I'd say there were probably 3 to 4 drops at least that were crucial third-down conversions that would've kept drives alive. These are inexcusable because they make the offense sputter, they result in quick outs and they put undue pressure on the defense, which has been excelling in spite of the offensive issues.
plus the touchdown pass that went right through a Huff's hands
5Rings
Lurker
philly feels the same. Kaep is the worst QB in the league.
Insein
Footballguy
I'd take Kaep over Bradford. You know... For the upside that Kellys always looking for.And I can't stand Kaep.
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you'd take Ryan Leaf over Bradford. So your opinion doesn't mean much. You have this weird thing where everything that happens is Bradford's fault and you refuse to ever give him credit. Not sure what that's about, but your replies are all very predictable at this point.
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I Am the Stig
Footballguy
I'd take Bradford over Kaep, at least Bradford has the upside of a season ending knee injury.
Insein
Footballguy
Hey Ryan Leaf. Former #2 overall pick. That potential is there. Just has to get acclimated to Chips system.JuniorNB said:
All I know is we were 6-2 last year before Nick went down and the team has been a #### show since. I'm done buying the Bradford hype.
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unckeyherb
Footballguy
Right. same line, same skill positions, same play calling. Let's not forget that ST and defense won a few of those games for us too.
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