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***OFFICIAL*** 2012 Washington Redskins Season Thread (2 Viewers)
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Footballguy
Pretty sure I have a right to my opinion and I have been VERY consistent on RGIII. Ill tell you exactly whatever it is I want to tell you and you'll have to suck on it and like it. It has nothing to do with him as a person. He is built like a KR/slot WR and not suited to play QB in the NFL. 100+ years of football has shown guys like him can't last in the NFL at that position. So talk smack, say I don't know what I'm talking about, and bump this post when Mr. Griffin does something other then end each season on the PUP list, Mr. Interwebz tough guy.
dgreen
Footballguy
One radio guy this morning theorized that FedEx doesn't have field turf because Snyder likes to host a Euro soccer match every year and they won't play on field turf. I really have no idea if that theory makes sense or not. But, I do wonder if grass vs. field turf is going to be a Shanahan decision or a Snyder decision.
Well, if the guy on the DC Council is correct, they'll be playing in a domed stadium in DC itself in 5 years...
Going back to Gibbs 1 and even George Allen, the Redskins have always been strong proponents of natural grass fields. Snyder grew up watching and rooting for those teams. I suspect the mentality has carried over, especially since Snyder has worked with Gibbs and is working with George Allen's son. But there is no doubt that the field at FedEx is horrendous.'dgreen said:
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Natural grass would've been a huge upgrade to the spray painted dirt.
killing joke
Footballguy
you know, call me a dinosaur, but twitter reposting is a chore to read.great opportunity for a sharp programmer to clean this sht up and make it readable.dig it?'dgreen said:
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dgreen
Footballguy
I've recently joined the Twitterverse and I'm still clueless on some of it. Some things can be hard to read.
dgreen
Footballguy
Charley Casserly was on with the Sports Junkies this morning.
He didn't really have a problem with Shanahan continuing to play Griffin, depending on what the doctors said about increased risk. He pointed out that there's no way guys like Brady, Roethlisberger, Manning, etc. would have come out of that game either.
The Junkies asked him about the recent report where Dr. Andrews contradicted Shanahan's story. It was interesting that Casserly's response was basically, "Why is Andrews talking to the media? He's the team doctor. Team doctors are only supposed to talk to the media when the team allows them to." He was then asked about the doctors' role on the sideline and how they should have been jumping up and down telling Shanahan to get Griffin out of the game. Casserly responded that they're job is to give their honest opinion when asked. Basically, team doctors don't speak up unless spoken to.
Casserly also talked about needing to see the game tape to really know whether Griffin could make throws or not. In his opinion, TV broadcasts don't give the best look at stuff like that. He will get the game tap today, so I hope to be able to read/hear his opinion about it soon. He pointed out that Griffin is an average down field passer from the pocket and he saw him miss some throws that he missed earlier in the year when he was healthy.
He didn't really have a problem with Shanahan continuing to play Griffin, depending on what the doctors said about increased risk. He pointed out that there's no way guys like Brady, Roethlisberger, Manning, etc. would have come out of that game either.
The Junkies asked him about the recent report where Dr. Andrews contradicted Shanahan's story. It was interesting that Casserly's response was basically, "Why is Andrews talking to the media? He's the team doctor. Team doctors are only supposed to talk to the media when the team allows them to." He was then asked about the doctors' role on the sideline and how they should have been jumping up and down telling Shanahan to get Griffin out of the game. Casserly responded that they're job is to give their honest opinion when asked. Basically, team doctors don't speak up unless spoken to.
Casserly also talked about needing to see the game tape to really know whether Griffin could make throws or not. In his opinion, TV broadcasts don't give the best look at stuff like that. He will get the game tap today, so I hope to be able to read/hear his opinion about it soon. He pointed out that Griffin is an average down field passer from the pocket and he saw him miss some throws that he missed earlier in the year when he was healthy.
Swing 51
Footballguy
James Andrews backs Shanahan’s account of Griffin’s re-entry of Baltimore gameBy Mike Jones , Updated: January 8, 2013
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/01/08/james-andrews-backs-shanahans-account-of-griffins-re-entry-of-baltimore-game/
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Really good segment on the Sports Junkies right now with a doctor who's the head of a sports performance org that works with elite athletes. A few comments...
If it's an MCL only they'll let it heal without surgery.
If it's an ACL, either partial or full, they'll do surgery and since the procedure is the same the recovery time is the same in both cases.
There's not much risk from the surgery itself, it's the potential complications from the surgery that would add time to the recovery.
The ACL recovery is the limiting factor. Since the MCL and PCL heal faster and have less stress on them, they're typically irrelevant in terms of a return to health -- it's the ACL that determines the recovery time when multiple ligaments are torn.
Athletes today can expect a 100% return to peak performance after surgery. He was specifically asked if someone runs a 4.32 before the surgery will they still run a 4.32 after recovery and the answer was 'absolutely'.
So IMO it sounds likely that he'll have surgery and be in the same race that Peterson and Mendenhall were in last year.
If it's an MCL only they'll let it heal without surgery.
If it's an ACL, either partial or full, they'll do surgery and since the procedure is the same the recovery time is the same in both cases.
There's not much risk from the surgery itself, it's the potential complications from the surgery that would add time to the recovery.
The ACL recovery is the limiting factor. Since the MCL and PCL heal faster and have less stress on them, they're typically irrelevant in terms of a return to health -- it's the ACL that determines the recovery time when multiple ligaments are torn.
Athletes today can expect a 100% return to peak performance after surgery. He was specifically asked if someone runs a 4.32 before the surgery will they still run a 4.32 after recovery and the answer was 'absolutely'.
So IMO it sounds likely that he'll have surgery and be in the same race that Peterson and Mendenhall were in last year.
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I heard the same segment; it was really informative. If you haven't heard it; you can probably check it out via podcast from the 106.7 The Fan web site It was amazing to hear from the guest that nowadays athletes really can expect to return to 100% after surgery and recovery. The key factor really seems to be the rehabilitation and how hard an athelete works. This is why Adrian Peterson came back so strong. He just committed himself to work very, very hard. RGIII is the same kind of athlete and I can see him working to rehab in the same way.
The other key for the Skins is how to find the right balance with RGIII whenever he comes back, whether it's next year or the year following. You can hardly tell him to "never" run...even a guy like Andrew Luck will take off and run to pick up a first down if he needs to. Kyle Shanahan is supposed to be an offensive guru so I think this is one of his big jobs in the offseason: how to still take advantage of RGIII's athleticism without putting him in harms way too much...
dgreen
Footballguy
Seems like a reasonable story. "It was a communication problem" is much more believable to me than "Shanahan ignored the team doctor" or "Shanahan blocked the team doctor from looking at Griffin" or any other conspiracy story people have come up with.
RGIII HTTR
Footballguy
Daniel Snyder/Mike Shannahan: RGIII a man barely alive. Dr. Andrews: Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. Dr. Andrews: We have the technology. Dr. Andrews: We have the capability to make the world's first bionic man. Dr. Andrews: RGIII will be that man. Dr. Andrews: Better than he was before. Dr. Andrews: Better... stronger... faster. HTTR!!!
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
So, one benefit to this is that we should get a good look at what Cousins can do. If he can excel, it will increase his value. that way, when RG3 gets back, we can hopefully trade cousins for some good value. or if we decide to keep him, he will be much better prepared to step in. Either way, i want RG3 to get healthy and i dont want to rush him back.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Agree. Knee ligament surgery rehab* is light years ahead of what it was 10 years ago. I had ACL reconstructive surgery in March of 2010 and I was doing light jogging by June, and that was with an "average Joe" rehab plan. If it had been my job to rehab, I could have been doing more, sooner. Wes Welker tore his knee up around the same time of year Griffin did and was participating in training camp for the next season (he may have even had some participation in some OTAs/minicamp, but I'm not positive about that off the top of my head). ATM, I'm not too worried about Griffin missing any games.*FWIW, you don't actually rehab the ligaments. The ligaments just need time to regrow/repair, and it takes longer for the body to do that than for other injuries like muscle or bone injuries (it's generally reported as ~6 months for the ACL to regrow; if Griffin has reconstructive surgery soon, he has a complete ACL again by the end of July). While ligaments are regrowing/repairing, though, you can work out your leg muscles (which is where a lot of the rehab advances have come) so they are just as strong or stronger than before. That way, when the ligament is done repairing, you are ready to go.
RGIII HTTR
Footballguy
Agree 100%, love to add him and lock up the right side. Best part, he's a smart guy and good locker room guy. So, adding him would help on several fronts!!!
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
I am shocked that Winston was released. Skins need to add him ASAP!
I don't see how the Redskins can sign any free agents. They just don't have any cap space with the $18 cap penalty.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Fletcher has surgery and is working on returning for the '13 season.
ETA: Oof. Who bumped last year's thread? Sorry to bump it again.
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ExaltedOne
Footballguy
Right now they are 3mil under and can still cut/restructure guys like Santana Moss, London Fletcher, Stephen Bowen, and DeAngelo Hall. Extending Orakpo and Wilson could also gain them some space this year. Trust me the Redskins know how to work the cap and if they want to get this guy they can. Heck they could probably sign him right now to a long-term deal that has a big signing bonus and a small salary this season. Next year, that penalty will be gone and they'll have tons of space.
