babydemon90
Footballguy
Might take Manuel over him
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Maybe but the only reason I can think of would be that Manuel was indeed a first round pick whereas Foles was a third rounder.
Insein
Footballguy
Gawain
Footballguy
This. I like Nick Foles and think he can be a successful quarterback. But, for the near future he's going to he in Kelly's offense which may see a 60:40 split in run/pass plays. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if the Eagles attempted the fewest passes in the league this year. While I think Foles is mobile in the way Peyton is mobile in the pocket, I don't see him running like a Rodgers/Kaepernick/Newton type. Foles is better than the quarterbacks Kelly had at Oregon, but it wouldn't shock me to see a target of 22-25 passing attempts a game. The high side of that range gives 400 attempts for the season. I'll give him a generous YPA of 7.4 (which would have tied for 10th in 2012) and he still gets to 2960 passing yards.
Meanwhile, I think that Foles is likelier to be a serviceable QB than Manuel, but I think Manuel's ceiling is higher. I'd rather swing for a top-6 QB.
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
I see Manuel as more of a flip than an investment.
Gawain
Footballguy
That'd work too, but with the wealth of young QB talent (Luck, RG3, Wilson, Kaepernick, Stafford, Newton) and the highly productive veterans (Brady, Brees, Manning, Ryan, Romo, Rodgers) I think it's risky to invest much in a QB to flip. Unless you're in a very large league (16-20) or a 2QB league, most owners will be satisfied to happy with their quarterback situation and likely wont give much for Manuel.
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
I agree. Even when you look at next years class Manuel becomes even less attractive. I wouldn't touch Manuel personally but I consistently see him fall in drafts when there's value to be had in flipping him once he's announced as a starter. Either that or hoping and praying he runs some form of read-option. This season I don't see him beating out Kolb whereas everything is starting to look up for Foles. I'd place Foles in my top-5 for sure if he was somehowe eligible in a rookie draft. Manuel is in the mid-teens for me.Gawain said:
Insein
Footballguy
That was the only part I was wondering. Are second year players typically eligible in Dynasty rookie drafts?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
he was released in one of my drafts in the first round. This put him into the pool.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Sabertooth
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Amused to Death
Footballguy
Heard Mosher on the radio this afternoon (talking about Maclin's injury
). Foles stood out again today. Not that Vick looked bad, but Foles just looks better. Some twitter quotes:Geoff Mosher @GeoffMosherCSN 1h
Foles looking very good today, hits Damaris in stride over middle, comes back and threads one to Ertz between 2 defenders
Geoff Mosher @GeoffMosherCSN 1h
Foles doing a nice job of looking off primary receivers and hitting secondary targets
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
Maclin's in a contract yea too. DamHeard Mosher on the radio this afternoon (talking about Maclin's injury
Foles looking very good today, hits Damaris in stride over middle, comes back and threads one to Ertz between 2 defenders
Geoff Mosher @GeoffMosherCSN 1h
Foles doing a nice job of looking off primary receivers and hitting secondary targets
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
@Jeff_McLane: One reason Nick Foles took less snaps was because he tossed a pick thus ending a set of plays. But this was the greatest disparity so far.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
@JordanRaanan: Nick Foles had unbelievable performance at Thursday's practice. Should have gone 17 of 18 with two long TDs http://t.co/KMBKiOiOIZ
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Through training camp so far in live passing drills...
Vick: 87 of 121, 5 TD, 1 INT
Foles: 92 of 121, 5 TD, 1 INT
Obviously the #s don't tell you anything except that it's been close relative to each other. Does Vick get the edge with his rushing ability? Or does Foles get the edge due to development potential and cheaper contract?
I'm sure Kelly isn't too excited about the prospect of benching or cutting Vick after the Cooper thing too.
Vick: 87 of 121, 5 TD, 1 INT
Foles: 92 of 121, 5 TD, 1 INT
Obviously the #s don't tell you anything except that it's been close relative to each other. Does Vick get the edge with his rushing ability? Or does Foles get the edge due to development potential and cheaper contract?
I'm sure Kelly isn't too excited about the prospect of benching or cutting Vick after the Cooper thing too.
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
FWIW, I believe a couple of Vicks TD's were of the fluke variety...one on the goaline where he rolled all the way left threw back right off his back foot for what turned inot a TD. The stats look good but I'm sure that was something Kelly would have liked to see done different by a 10 year vet.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
I've heard it speculated by beat writers that Vick would have to clearly out play Foles to win the job due to the bolded. I think what they would love is for Barkley to show significant improvement so they can cut Vick and go with the youth movement - Foles 1, MB 2.
IF Vick brings no significant upside, I see no reason to keep him on a rebuilding team. Move on.
FunkyTeaParty
Footballguy
As a Foles dynasty owner I'm finding one of the most difficult things this summer is not getting caught up in the day to day of this battle. I'm trying to save it until at least the first preseason game.
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
I still don't know what Chip Kelly will do. The biggest takeaway I have from the camp reports is that Foles has his deep game in check. I thought that was a plus for him at arizona and last preseason. He struggled with throwing deep during the season. That's going to be a huge factor in the QB competition.
cstu
Footballguy
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
I read Chip Kelly gave Vick a hi-5 for doing that before in OTA's :/
Tau837
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I've been on the Foles bandwagon from before the draft, but right now Vick sure looks good. Nice dynasty hold, but I don't think I'd roster him in redraft. Vick may not play 16, but 12-15 still leaves Foles basically worthless.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I'll take the under on Vick playing 12-15 games... and take a 2nd mortgage out on my home to place the bet.
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
Lol idk he added close to 10 pounds of muscle this off season.
Foles would be great in a pocket passing offense but they're making him run the same read option stuff that Vick does, but the defense isn't afraid of Foles' running ability. Kelly said he'd tailor the offense to the talent but he isn't doing that during preseason and it isn't doing Foles any favors. He could run a fast no huddle similar to what NE does with Brady and Foles would look great, and it'd still be able to do the running damage. Instead it seems like Foles isn't really being given a real chance - its like fitting a square peg into a round hole. I like Foles' upside as a pocket passer but that's not the offense Philly has used him in this season.
If Vick gets injured and they go a bit more traditional with Foles in this season, he could post some real big numbers.
Vick will likely post decent numbers thanks to his running totals though early in the season... so it'll have to happen after a Vick injury, or the Eagles starting off poorly, which is likely because their early schedule is absolutely brutal.
If Vick gets injured and they go a bit more traditional with Foles in this season, he could post some real big numbers.
Vick will likely post decent numbers thanks to his running totals though early in the season... so it'll have to happen after a Vick injury, or the Eagles starting off poorly, which is likely because their early schedule is absolutely brutal.
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
Or like he did in college.
(Rotoworld)For the first time in Eagles camp, Michael Vick handled the vast majority of first-team quarterback reps Saturday, while Nick Foles worked with the twos.Analysis: Foles did get some first-team reps "on one of the last sessions of the day," but it's clear Vick is now in the driver's seat. ESPN's Adam Caplan described Saturday's distribution of practice reps as "the first time we've seen the clear delineation between Vick and Foles with first and second team." Vick is being set up to start Philly's third preseason game, which almost always leads to a Week 1 start. Vick continues to look like a fantastic, high-ceiling QB2 fantasy pick
N Zone
Footballguy
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
What did your successful eyes think of Vick the past two years?
Amused to Death
Footballguy
I'm am intrigued by your wisdom and would like to subscribe to your news letter.
SportsGuru311
Footballguy
I would expect him to put up big numbers in the new eagles offense. vick may not get his job back
Insein
Footballguy
Unless Foles puts up 300 yds and 2-3 tds with no turnovers in the next 2 games, I think Vick will stay the starter. Kelly's in his first year and neither of these guys are the future. Having lockerroom loyalty is far more important in year 1.
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
He did it last season vs the Bucs.
Insein
Footballguy
IF Foles plays his way into the starter's role, then there's no problem. He'll have earned it. But if he's just managing the game and getting 200-250 yards with a td, I think Kelly goes back to Vick.
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