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having watched Oregon a few times this year, i'm not sure if any of their stars on offense will do much in the NFL. I think the best of the bunch is Mariota, but he will have to put on some weight to survive. Barner doesn't look special at all. Thomas is too small. The TE Lyerla looks promising.

What am i missing?

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having watched Oregon a few times this year, i'm not sure if any of their stars on offense will do much in the NFL. I think the best of the bunch is Mariota, but he will have to put on some weight to survive. Barner doesn't look special at all. Thomas is too small. The TE Lyerla looks promising.What am i missing?

It's college football. Even in a good conference, most of the players on the field will never amount to anything in the NFL. That's why the right athlete in the right offense can dominate even if he doesn't have next level skills (Jason White, Tim Tebow, Eric Crouch, etc). Oregon recruits players that fit their scheme and then puts them in situations that exploit their strengths. DeAnthony Thomas is a great example. He's probably not a great NFL prospect because of his build, but he has dynamic speed and quickness that can work wonders in certain situations.

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having watched Oregon a few times this year, i'm not sure if any of their stars on offense will do much in the NFL. I think the best of the bunch is Mariota, but he will have to put on some weight to survive. Barner doesn't look special at all. Thomas is too small. The TE Lyerla looks promising.

What am i missing?

It's college football. Even in a good conference, most of the players on the field will never amount to anything in the NFL. That's why the right athlete in the right offense can dominate even if he doesn't have next level skills (Jason White, Tim Tebow, Eric Crouch, etc).

Oregon recruits players that fit their scheme and then puts them in situations that exploit their strengths. DeAnthony Thomas is a great example. He's probably not a great NFL prospect because of his build, but he has dynamic speed and quickness that can work wonders in certain situations.

He's a pretty decent DB prospect, though. Scout had him as both the #1 RB and #1 CB in the nation his senior year at Crenshaw. I could see him getting drafted, then flipped to defense. For a little guy, he hit pretty hard. He'll also probably be a return man in the NFL.

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I think Byron Marshall will have a better career than Thomas and Barner (and James). Marshall can break tackles and can run inside.

They have a 2013 recruit Thomas Tyner who is 6' 200 lbs and runs a 4.3. Strong runner. Reminds me of Ryan Mathews.

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having watched Oregon a few times this year, i'm not sure if any of their stars on offense will do much in the NFL. I think the best of the bunch is Mariota, but he will have to put on some weight to survive. Barner doesn't look special at all. Thomas is too small. The TE Lyerla looks promising.What am i missing?

LMJ 2013 will probably go a long way towards convincing me one way or the other on Barner and Thomas, but the way the game is evolving guys like them can etch meaningful roles as defenses get more and more spread out. More optimistic about Thomas than Barner though. They both have the same issue, they go down too easily when contacted, but there's time for Thomas to build his body up to break tackles whereas that ship may have sailed on Barner. Really like him, but not comfortable snatching him up anywhere until I see LMJ be successful...unless Chip drafts him anyway.

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Thomas will never get that big. Byron Marshall could be a better pro RB prospect. Thomas is more of a gadget kind of player.

The sleeper that I like on Oregon right now is their WR Josh Huff. He seems to have a lot of talent, but doesn't get many chances in their offense. I wouldn't pick him in a dev draft because he's too much of a long shot. One to watch for the future though.

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Manziel...gimmick college player or legit franchise QB prospect?

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Jeff Garcia 2.0

I see him as a great fit in a WCO.

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Manziel...gimmick college player or legit franchise QB prospect?

I have no idea what to make of this guy. His QB mechanics seem awful to me but damn is he a great athlete. I'm really looking forward to seeing him next year without his 2 future top 15 NFL pick tackles. That Texas A&M Oline is the best in football outside of maybe Alabama. I'm not sure Alabama's is better either. They get more notoriety and hype be cause they are Alabama and they are totally different as far as strength. Alabama has the best 3 interior linemen in the country, A&M has the best tackles in the country. What's better? Manziel is deadly in the open field but it seems like he has all day to sit back there and eventually a crease opens up. I don't know if he can catch but he looks like he'd be great as a slot WR in the NFL. I'm not sold at all on him playing QB right now. Next year will tell a lot more.

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Manziel...gimmick college player or legit franchise QB prospect?

Given the way the NFL seems to be adapting to QBs by using thing that did in colege well to help with the transition, i could see manziel be a producitve pro. he has good accuracy in the short and intermediate areas, but does not throw as accurate a deep ball. Hard for me to tell how well he reads progrsions since he does scrammble so well/much.

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Manziel...gimmick college player or legit franchise QB prospect?

Charles Davis nailed it towards the end of last night's game. He asked around for different people's opinions and they all said the same thing - he's...unique. Tried to pin Flutie on him...no, unique. Russell Wilson...no, unique. RG3 without the 5th gear...no, unique.I think that's right. May not be an elite QB, but franchise? My bet would be on yes.

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Just traded for both the #1 and #2 devys. Who are the top devys?

ETA: My top 10=

1) Marqise Lee

2) Todd Gurley

3) Sammy Watkins

4) Ka'Deem Carey

5) TJ Yeldon

6) DaVante Adams

7) TE Washington

8) Austin Hill

9) Stefon Diggs

10)Lache Seastrunk

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Just traded for both the #1 and #2 devys. Who are the top devys?ETA: My top 10=1) Marqise Lee2) Todd Gurley3) Sammy Watkins4) Ka'Deem Carey5) TJ Yeldon6) DaVante Adams7) TE Washington8) Austin Hill9) Stefon Diggs10)Lache Seastrunk

TJ Yeldon climbs that list tonight.

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Just traded for both the #1 and #2 devys. Who are the top devys?ETA: My top 10=1) Marqise Lee2) Todd Gurley3) Sammy Watkins4) Ka'Deem Carey5) TJ Yeldon6) DaVante Adams7) TE Washington8) Austin Hill9) Stefon Diggs10)Lache Seastrunk

TJ Yeldon climbs that list tonight.
I'm still sticking with my well-thought-out scientific analysis of him: "He runs goofy."

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Just traded for both the #1 and #2 devys. Who are the top devys?ETA: My top 10=1) Marqise Lee2) Todd Gurley3) Sammy Watkins4) Ka'Deem Carey5) TJ Yeldon6) DaVante Adams7) TE Washington8) Austin Hill9) Stefon Diggs10)Lache Seastrunk

TJ Yeldon climbs that list tonight.
I'm still sticking with my well-thought-out scientific analysis of him: "He runs goofy."
:lmao:Can't say I can discount your analysis. I think Andrew Luck throws goofy. I'll take the same end results though ;) Edited by doowain

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Just traded for both the #1 and #2 devys. Who are the top devys?ETA: My top 10=1) Marqise Lee2) Todd Gurley3) Sammy Watkins4) Ka'Deem Carey5) TJ Yeldon6) DaVante Adams7) TE Washington8) Austin Hill9) Stefon Diggs10)Lache Seastrunk

TJ Yeldon climbs that list tonight.
I'm still sticking with my well-thought-out scientific analysis of him: "He runs goofy."
He does look goofy. Whatever the opposite of bow-legged is, that's how he runs. He's got a good burst for a big kid though and pretty quick feet. I like him as a prospect, but wouldn't feel great about burning a top 3 dev pick on him right now.It is a tough call right now between Seastrunk, Gurley, Hill, Yeldon, and maybe even Carey. I think there's upside there, but probably at least 1-2 grenades. People picking at the top of the dev draft will have some homework to do.

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Just traded for both the #1 and #2 devys. Who are the top devys?ETA: My top 10=1) Marqise Lee2) Todd Gurley3) Sammy Watkins4) Ka'Deem Carey5) TJ Yeldon6) DaVante Adams7) TE Washington8) Austin Hill9) Stefon Diggs10)Lache Seastrunk

TJ Yeldon climbs that list tonight.
I'm still sticking with my well-thought-out scientific analysis of him: "He runs goofy."
He does look goofy. Whatever the opposite of bow-legged is, that's how he runs. He's got a good burst for a big kid though and pretty quick feet. I like him as a prospect, but wouldn't feel great about burning a top 3 dev pick on him right now.It is a tough call right now between Seastrunk, Gurley, Hill, Yeldon, and maybe even Carey. I think there's upside there, but probably at least 1-2 grenades. People picking at the top of the dev draft will have some homework to do.
Absolutely. There are no slam dunks. Even Peterson and Richardson weren't slam dunks. AP had injury issues. Richardson had questions about how he'd handle a full load. It's very hard to project a player after 1 year in college in a timeshare. But if you hit...it's huge. I'd much rather gamble on a kid who was a blue chip recruit who got huge playing time as a true freshman coming from THE premier college program. He's more likely to be NFL ready than most RBs in his class.

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Just traded for both the #1 and #2 devys. Who are the top devys?ETA: My top 10=1) Marqise Lee2) Todd Gurley3) Sammy Watkins4) Ka'Deem Carey5) TJ Yeldon6) DaVante Adams7) TE Washington8) Austin Hill9) Stefon Diggs10)Lache Seastrunk

TJ Yeldon climbs that list tonight.
I'm still sticking with my well-thought-out scientific analysis of him: "He runs goofy."
He does run goofy, I was always trying to put my finger on it. He generally seems like a player that's one missed tackle away from a huge run, I hate projecting that.

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Just traded for both the #1 and #2 devys. Who are the top devys?

ETA: My top 10=

1) Marqise Lee

2) Todd Gurley

3) Sammy Watkins

4) Ka'Deem Carey

5) TJ Yeldon

6) DaVante Adams

7) TE Washington

8) Austin Hill

9) Stefon Diggs

10)Lache Seastrunk

TJ Yeldon climbs that list tonight.
I'm still sticking with my well-thought-out scientific analysis of him: "He runs goofy."
He does look goofy. Whatever the opposite of bow-legged is, that's how he runs. He's got a good burst for a big kid though and pretty quick feet. I like him as a prospect, but wouldn't feel great about burning a top 3 dev pick on him right now.

It is a tough call right now between Seastrunk, Gurley, Hill, Yeldon, and maybe even Carey. I think there's upside there, but probably at least 1-2 grenades. People picking at the top of the dev draft will have some homework to do.

Aka EBF and I are in the same league haha.

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Just traded for both the #1 and #2 devys. Who are the top devys?ETA: My top 10=1) Marqise Lee2) Todd Gurley3) Sammy Watkins4) Ka'Deem Carey5) TJ Yeldon6) DaVante Adams7) TE Washington8) Austin Hill9) Stefon Diggs10)Lache Seastrunk

Would love to see a top-10 that excluded guys that aren't draft-eligible in '14

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good list to start with... my top 10 has 7 of those names. I don't have a clear cut #1 but have 2 Tiers... would be happy with any one of the 1st Tier

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I have a massive list of players covering all years.

Won't post until after the Deep End dev draft though.

:unsure:

Here's a basic top 10 for a generic league:

QB Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville

RB Lache Seastrunk, Baylor

RB Todd Gurley, Georgia

RB TJ Yeldon, Alabama

RB Jeremy Hill, LSU

RB Ka'Deem Carey, Arizona

WR Marqise Lee, USC

WR Sammy Watkins, Clemson

WR Stefon Diggs, Maryland

TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Washington

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Jeff Garcia 2.0I see him as a great fit in a WCO.

That's my first thought about his best case. A hybrid of Garcia and Flutie?

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I have a massive list of players covering all years. Won't post until after the Deep End dev draft though. :unsure: Here's a basic top 10 for a generic league:QB Teddy Bridgewater, LouisvilleRB Lache Seastrunk, BaylorRB Todd Gurley, GeorgiaRB TJ Yeldon, AlabamaRB Jeremy Hill, LSURB Ka'Deem Carey, ArizonaWR Marqise Lee, USCWR Sammy Watkins, ClemsonWR Stefon Diggs, MarylandTE Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Washington

They said tonight McCarron is coming back for senior year. I really like him a lot. I think he deserves more credit than he gets. He's on my list.

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Jeff Garcia 2.0

I see him as a great fit in a WCO.

That's my first thought about his best case. A hybrid of Garcia and Flutie?
Jeff Garcia is his best case? That seems like a very conservative best case to me.

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I have a massive list of players covering all years. Won't post until after the Deep End dev draft though. :unsure: Here's a basic top 10 for a generic league:QB Teddy Bridgewater, LouisvilleRB Lache Seastrunk, BaylorRB Todd Gurley, GeorgiaRB TJ Yeldon, AlabamaRB Jeremy Hill, LSURB Ka'Deem Carey, ArizonaWR Marqise Lee, USCWR Sammy Watkins, ClemsonWR Stefon Diggs, MarylandTE Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Washington

Good starting point... i do have a Devy question in general: I'm having a real tough time placing a value on under classmen TE's. The lottery that is Devy picks tend to go for the high up side [re: hope they are 1st round picks, the higher the better] The TE's that have been chosen up there are VD and Winslow. If you are a late 1st or 2nd, that is a pretty good sign. In this year's Rookie draft there are a pair of really good TEs that may go late first in the NFL draft, but no one would have considered taking them with a Devy pick last year. The three difference makers right now were not 1st round picks... two had red flags and one was a converted BB player. I would postulate that it is where they ended up that made the most difference... and with Devy picks, who knows where they will land. I know this is true for all Rookies (and at least with Rookie picks, they have usually been drafted in the NFL before FF so destination is known). So my question is: how often are TE's drafted with a Devy pick? Wouldn't you rather wait and see where Eifert, Ertz, reed and Toilolo land before commiting a rare Devy pick?

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Jeff Garcia 2.0

I see him as a great fit in a WCO.

That's my first thought about his best case. A hybrid of Garcia and Flutie?
Jeff Garcia is his best case? That seems like a very conservative best case to me.
I don't see him doing as much running in the NFL, although he looks like he can avoid big hits better than Griffin. He's also got a quick release, so he's able to get the ball out on short routes.

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You guys are too high on Ka'Deem Carey. I'd put Ameer Abdullah and Duke Johnson ahead of him.

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I have a massive list of players covering all years. Won't post until after the Deep End dev draft though. :unsure: Here's a basic top 10 for a generic league:QB Teddy Bridgewater, LouisvilleRB Lache Seastrunk, BaylorRB Todd Gurley, GeorgiaRB TJ Yeldon, AlabamaRB Jeremy Hill, LSURB Ka'Deem Carey, ArizonaWR Marqise Lee, USCWR Sammy Watkins, ClemsonWR Stefon Diggs, MarylandTE Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Washington

Good starting point... i do have a Devy question in general: I'm having a real tough time placing a value on under classmen TE's. The lottery that is Devy picks tend to go for the high up side [re: hope they are 1st round picks, the higher the better] The TE's that have been chosen up there are VD and Winslow. If you are a late 1st or 2nd, that is a pretty good sign. In this year's Rookie draft there are a pair of really good TEs that may go late first in the NFL draft, but no one would have considered taking them with a Devy pick last year. The three difference makers right now were not 1st round picks... two had red flags and one was a converted BB player. I would postulate that it is where they ended up that made the most difference... and with Devy picks, who knows where they will land. I know this is true for all Rookies (and at least with Rookie picks, they have usually been drafted in the NFL before FF so destination is known). So my question is: how often are TE's drafted with a Devy pick? Wouldn't you rather wait and see where Eifert, Ertz, reed and Toilolo land before commiting a rare Devy pick?
Actually, Eifert was picked in some of my dev drafts last year.In general, QBs and TEs fall in dev drafts because everyone would rather gamble on RBs (and to a lesser extent WRs) due to relative scarcity and value. If you hit on a first round RB, you've got a piece of gold on your roster. Even if the guy eventually flops, you can trade him for big value long before that. On the flipside, if you hit on a first round TE or QB you've got a guy who probably still isn't going to command huge value. Think about where guys like Bradford and Gresham went in your rookie drafts. That should pretty much tell you why you won't see a lot of QBs and TEs in the top 4-5 picks of a dev draft. Guys like Bridgewater and Seferian-Jenkins look like good bets for the first round of the next NFL draft, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're a better investment than a RB or WR prospect with more risk. There's also the added factor that even in a league with a split dev and rookie draft, I know that I can always find decent WR/TE/QB prospects in the rookie draft. On the flipside, the dev draft is really your only chance to ever get a top RB prospect unless you have a top 2-3 pick in the rookie draft and someone like Doug Martin, David Wilson, Rashard Mendenhall, or Ryan Mathews emerges from relative obscurity to become a big prospect that year.

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Amari Cooper also deserves a shout for the year that he had. A lot of Bama fans said he was the next Julio at the start of the season and he certainly lived up to the billing with 1000 yards on just 59 catches as a true freshman.

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Amari Cooper also deserves a shout for the year that he had. A lot of Bama fans said he was the next Julio at the start of the season and he certainly lived up to the billing with 1000 yards on just 59 catches as a true freshman.

:goodposting: - much better than the Green-Beckham hype

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Cooper looks very polished as a true Frosh... wish he was a little bigger, though.

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Cooper looks very polished as a true Frosh... wish he was a little bigger, though.

Cooper is listed as 6'1/198 and Marqise Lee at 6'1/195 - they look and play similar size to me. Imagine they will both add some muscle as well but they seem plenty big. Edited by pacman_fl

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Someone to watch for next year, Bishop Sankey, RB Washington. Quick feet, great hands, yards after contact. Reminds me so much of Pierre Thomas, especially vs Utah.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6kmq_sqblg

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The next BIG thing. Literally. David Fangupo, the 350 pound RB who will be playing for Hawaii next year:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G5XAW2DQuE&feature=player_embedded

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The next BIG thing. Literally. David Fangupo, the 350 pound RB who will be playing for Hawaii next year:http://www.youtube.c...player_embedded

Put him at left guard and run the fumblerooski; he doesn't look fast enough to play RB, even given his size.

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If you guys want to follow an "industry" devy draft: http://ffoasis.com/leagues/RS/farm.phpHere is this year's farm draft in progress: http://ffoasis.com/RSTracker.php

Thank you for the link. I do have to say, after being part of a few devy leagues/drafts, that I probably prefer the limitation on how 'young' you can draft someone. Seems like much more of a crapshoot to be choosing incoming freshman and what-not.The leagues I'm in require you to be draft eligible the next year, and I hope this doesn't dilute the field in upcoming years (which it appears to have happened in the current draft in that link)

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