Xue
Footballguy
Cutler and Stafford in college. Numbers from their first 2 seasons very similar to Hackenberg's.
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Dynasty: NON-Draft eligible College prospects (2 Viewers)
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BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
It might with some coaching and development but everyone is different and is there data anywhere to this is the case and if so by how much do they improve? Just a question that come to mind. Until he improves I can only speak of his most current 40 time and the last one I've seen so for is slow.
Xue
Footballguy
I've seen him. Doesn't matter how good he looks. Plenty of QBs with great mechanics who can't play and plenty with ####ty mechanics that can. He's not reading the defense well and forcing balls.jurb26 said:
He may still be a 1st round pick for the very reason that he has the "look" of a franchise QB, but I don't feel good about his NFL projection if the production continues to look like Cutler's and Stafford's.
Xue
Footballguy
DeAndre Hopkins ran a 4.6 and looks plenty explosive on the field. Dupre is a much more gifted athlete overall. I think he'll be fine moving forward.
Xue
Footballguy
He's actually overrated because he's being talked about as being on Andrew Luck's level. Comparing him to Cutler and Stafford is probably more of a slight.
jurb26
Footballguy
I've not heard the Luck comps. That makes more sense. Some people are obviously speaking hyperbole. Not uncommon this time of year.
Still, if he can carve out a draft position and career similar to Cutler/Stafford I'd say that's a very successful one. From a skill standpoint I don't think he plays like them though.
Still, if he can carve out a draft position and career similar to Cutler/Stafford I'd say that's a very successful one. From a skill standpoint I don't think he plays like them though.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
Hackenberg has been getting a tonne of love for a while now. And as I said last year, it's impressive and all how he's so young and already 'looks' the part, but he put up mediocre numbers last year and so far this year, albeit still early, he hasn't showed any progress at all. I'd stay the hell away from him in fantasy at this stage.
Vincesanity
Footballguy
Andrew Lucks level? Who the crap said that
Xue
Footballguy
Some Nick Chubb gifs. Moves so well for a 229-pounder especially the cuts.
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ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
I'm sure you "scout" guys have seen alot of the games this year, but if you haven't, again, the OL is truely ####### terrible. Just brutal. Of course, learning how to best cope with that might help a high first round draft pick to a poor team, like a David Carr.
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DirtyCashDylan
Footballguy
It's still early in the college season and he's only a true freshman, but my God, you gotta check out Samaje Perine RB from OU. You'll be hearing about him soon enough. 5'11 240 lbs. Watching defenders bounce off him is hilarious. 242 rushing yards and 4 TDs last game vs West Virginia.
DirtyCashDylan
Footballguy
1st true freshman OU RB to rush for 200+ in a game since AD (AP) btw
jurb26
Footballguy
All this shows is that Gurley is a humble kid. Everything I've heard about him solidifies that. The difference is night and day right now. Gurley is much better than the other RBs and the offense looks like a different unit when's he's on the field. What I find interesting is that UGA continues to play Michel over Chubb and keep him higher in the rotation. Chubb looks better to me but UGA doesn't seem to be thinking so.
CalBear
Footballguy
Goff rolls away from pressure, throws on the run 25 yards downfield, hits the receiver in stride for a 75-yarder to tie the game at 42:
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11601636
Stands in the pocket, perfect throw dropping the ball in over the defender for a 40-yard TD to take the lead 49-42:
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11601716
Both of these were you-gotta-be-kidding-me plays, given the situation. Goff is still under the radar a bit but by the end of the season he's going to be a hot topic.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11601636
Stands in the pocket, perfect throw dropping the ball in over the defender for a 40-yard TD to take the lead 49-42:
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11601716
Both of these were you-gotta-be-kidding-me plays, given the situation. Goff is still under the radar a bit but by the end of the season he's going to be a hot topic.
Xue
Footballguy
Michel is basically filling the Marshall passing back role. I expect Chubb to take over Gurley's feature back role next year.
jurb26
Footballguy
Michel is not filling the pass blocking role at all he's 2nd in the rotation. UGA is rotating their backs rather consistently and pass blocking or down and distance have had almost nothing to do with it. Chub may be the guy next year but that doesn't change that UGA seems to prefer playing Michel 1st in the rotation right now. I thought that might change after the Clemson game when Michel was ahead of him but severely outplayed. But it hasn't.Xue said:
Xue
Footballguy
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CalBear
Footballguy
ESPN finally notices Goff:
http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/78269/jared-goff-has-cal-on-the-rise
http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/78269/jared-goff-has-cal-on-the-rise
Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
Goff's not draft eligible is he? Obviously he's been fantastic so far, but I don't find it surprising that a non-draft eligible guy who's 5 games into his first dominant season, who plays on the west coast, and who doesn't have a signature win against a big opponent yet, that he hasn't got much media hype. If he continues this level of play throughout the year, and especially if he can get a big win or 2, he'll have plenty of hype going into next season I would guess.
CalBear
Footballguy
Yes, he's not draft eligible, that's why we're in the NON-draft-eligible thread.
If Cal manages to beat USC, UCLA or Stanford (boo) this year the hype's going to explode. But, the schedule has been front-loaded with the easiest games, so it's very possible for us to go 1-6 the rest of the way.
Xue
Footballguy
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
Anybody watch the Georgia game?
Nick Chubb got 38 carries. 143 yards, or 3.8 per. Lots of yards, but a ton of carries too.
How did he look in his first extended action?
Nick Chubb got 38 carries. 143 yards, or 3.8 per. Lots of yards, but a ton of carries too.
How did he look in his first extended action?
Faust
MVP
Leonard Fournette leads LSU to thrilling win over Florida:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000408902/article/leonard-fournette-leads-lsu-to-thrilling-win-over-florida
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000408902/article/leonard-fournette-leads-lsu-to-thrilling-win-over-florida
CalBear
Footballguy
Goff didn't have a great game this week (35/51, 304 yards, 0 TD 0 INT, 3 fumbles, 2 lost), but he is still showing progression in his game; this was the best he's looked in terms of keeping his head up and finding second and third receivers and keeping plays alive. His accuracy was a bit off, which cost him at least one TD, and Dykes did a crappy job adjusting to the fact that Washington was defending screens and swing passes at the line, with two very deep safeties, and leaving the middle of the field open. All our big gainers came in the middle of the field, and we had probably five WR screens incomplete or stopped behind the line.
One notable concern: One of Goff's fumbles came on a QB sneak at the goal line. We had the ball a couple inches from the goal, and I said to my seat-mates, "I wonder what we're going to do here; most teams would QB sneak it, but we never line up under center." Goff lined up in the shotgun, but then walked up behind the center and took a pro-style snap, fumbling it into the arms of Shaq Thompson who ran it back 100 yards. Even kneeling on the ball at the end of the game we've done out of the shotgun. So there are going to be questions about Goff's ability to line up under center.
One notable concern: One of Goff's fumbles came on a QB sneak at the goal line. We had the ball a couple inches from the goal, and I said to my seat-mates, "I wonder what we're going to do here; most teams would QB sneak it, but we never line up under center." Goff lined up in the shotgun, but then walked up behind the center and took a pro-style snap, fumbling it into the arms of Shaq Thompson who ran it back 100 yards. Even kneeling on the ball at the end of the game we've done out of the shotgun. So there are going to be questions about Goff's ability to line up under center.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
I was impressed but I think he can be coached up. He's still young and I think he will improve.
EBF
Footballguy
Chubb might be the best pro prospect at RB in college football. He's the total package. Just needs to stay healthy.
Tearing up Arkansas today. 127 yards and 2 TDs before halftime.
Check out this run. There aren't a lot of guys on the planet who are 5'10" 228 with 10.6X speed in the 100m and feet like this.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11722768
Tearing up Arkansas today. 127 yards and 2 TDs before halftime.
Check out this run. There aren't a lot of guys on the planet who are 5'10" 228 with 10.6X speed in the 100m and feet like this.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11722768
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gianmarco
Footballguy
Huh? Am I completely missing something? What kind of feet do you need to get through a hole that huge? No offense but there is absolutely nothing about that run that stands out. And one game makes him the best pro prospect over guys like Gurley and Gordon and others?
And is Arkansas supposed to be a defensive stalwart against the run?
EBF
Footballguy
Apparently. Watch the second camera angle for the cut he makes at 0:20. Not many big backs can square up and freeze somebody in space like that.
It's not about "one game" either. Chubb was one of the top backs in his recruiting class and has carried that over into the regular season. He has been consistently impressive from day one. If you haven't seen any of his work, take a look at the links below:
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11440392
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11598465
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11722671
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11642029
Chubb is listed at 5'10" 228 pounds on Georgia's website. He ran a10.69 in the 100m during Georgia state prelims last year. A few weeks before winning the state title in the shotput. You can argue that Gurley and Gordon are better, but he's more compact than either, stronger, and probably faster too.
gianmarco
Footballguy
So you're a big Knile Davis fan too, then, right? He's 5'10, 228, and ran a 4.37 at the combine at that size. Was he the best RB prospect going into the NFL that year? Unfortunately, size and speed isn't the only thing that makes a good RB.
I've seen Chubb. Thanks for the links. There's still nothing spectacular at all about that run you linked in that previous post, IMO. Just strange to me to use this one game and that link to use as evidence that he's the best RB prospect in the league. There's just nothing special about 127 yds and 2 TDs against Arkansas and just nothing special about that run to use as evidence to support your position on him. Plenty of other things you can point to, IMO, that might support that position. That's all.
Let the Chubb fest continue without any further interruption from me.
I've seen Chubb. Thanks for the links. There's still nothing spectacular at all about that run you linked in that previous post, IMO. Just strange to me to use this one game and that link to use as evidence that he's the best RB prospect in the league. There's just nothing special about 127 yds and 2 TDs against Arkansas and just nothing special about that run to use as evidence to support your position on him. Plenty of other things you can point to, IMO, that might support that position. That's all.
Let the Chubb fest continue without any further interruption from me.
EBF
Footballguy
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Knile and Chubb don't have much in common besides similar dimensions on paper. They aren't built the same and they don't run the same.
If you want to say that there's "nothing special" about rushing for 127 yards at 10+ YPC in a single half against an SEC opponent then that's your MO. I've been singing Chubb's praises for months. This game today didn't suddenly cause that. It's just another chapter in what's becoming a consistent story.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Arkansas has been nothing special against the run. SEC defense in general this year hasn't been anything extraordinary. As you're typing this, Yeldon has 13/114/2 at 8.8 ypc (the exact same YPC that Chubb has) against Texas A&M (another SEC team). Is that extraordinary? Gordon ran for 16/140/1 for 8.8 ypc earlier this year against LSU. Gurley had 15/198/3 against Clemson who happens to actually be ranked 10th in the nation against the run. He also dropped 28/208/2 against Tenn (another SEC team and ranked similarly to Arkansas against the run).
No, it's nothing special from the top RBs in the nation. I mean, sure, it's a great game compared to most every other RB in college. But if you're going to make the claim about him being the best RB prospect in the nation with that as proof, then I'd be more impressed if his peers weren't all doing the same thing. It's what they all do. Now if he wants to run for 13/253/5 like Melvin Gordon did against Alabama, then I'll be impressed. Otherwise, no, it's nothing special for a good RB prospect. It's somewhat expected.
I'm not even saying I don't like Chubb. But if you're going to make a claim that he's the best RB prospect in the country with the likes of a Gurley or Gordon and others in a very deep class, using stats he's putting up that they are also doing doesn't serve to set him apart. I watched that run and said "meh". I looked at those stats and said "ok, seen it before". It may not be your purpose, but nothing you posted there does anything to convince anyone he's better than Gurley or Gordon or anyone else in the country. And yes, I know you've been beating that drum for a long time before this game. Hard to miss.
ETA-- Where were you last week when it took nearly 40 carries for Chubb to hit 143 yards against Mizzou last week at a whopping 3.8 ypc? The same Mizzou that's ranked 60th against the run and allowed the likes of Kareem Hunt to run for more yards on only 15 carries with a 15/148/3 line. Not seeing the "consistent story" there.
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EBF
Footballguy
You're wasting a lot of time and energy making points that aren't even related to what I said. I said he might be the best RB prospect in the country and that he's having a huge game today. Nowhere did I say that this game proves he's better than X, Y, and Z players. If you want to compare him to guys like Gordon and Gurley, I could provide a variety of reasons for why he might be better. Production wouldn't be a big part of that since stats are correlated with talent, but not necessarily proof of it. Especially in college, where 95% of the defenders will never sniff a starting job in the NFL.
Most people with a broad knowledge base about the current CFB crop would probably agree that Chubb is one of the best RB talents in his class, if not the best based on what we've seen so far. If he's one of the best RBs in his class then chances are he's also one of the best RBs in college football. It's not really a controversial opinion, so I don't know why you've decided to plant your flag and pick a battle here.
Most people with a broad knowledge base about the current CFB crop would probably agree that Chubb is one of the best RB talents in his class, if not the best based on what we've seen so far. If he's one of the best RBs in his class then chances are he's also one of the best RBs in college football. It's not really a controversial opinion, so I don't know why you've decided to plant your flag and pick a battle here.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Oh, it's related alright. When Todd Gurley is still in college and you make a statement that Chubb might be the best pro prospect in college football, that is certainly controversial. Gurley the CONSENSUS, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT, TOP RB in the country. And you're saying this guy with 2 starts under his belt is now possibly the better prospect? Well, hmm, I might need to pay attention.
So I look at the stats you posted. 127 yds and 2 TDs against a 60th ranked Arkansas? Not impressed, sorry. I've seen Gurley, Gordon, Yeldon, others do the same if not more.
Well, let me watch this amazing run you posted then. What? So he ran through a huge open hole?
I'm sorry you don't get where I'm coming from. Your statement is indeed controversial and you did nothing to "prove it". You're entitled to your opinion. I know you like Chubb. But so far nothing about him stands out to pass him against some elite RB prospects.
So I look at the stats you posted. 127 yds and 2 TDs against a 60th ranked Arkansas? Not impressed, sorry. I've seen Gurley, Gordon, Yeldon, others do the same if not more.
Well, let me watch this amazing run you posted then. What? So he ran through a huge open hole?
I'm sorry you don't get where I'm coming from. Your statement is indeed controversial and you did nothing to "prove it". You're entitled to your opinion. I know you like Chubb. But so far nothing about him stands out to pass him against some elite RB prospects.
jurb26
Footballguy
Chubb is a very exciting Freshman prospect and I'm of the belief that he has the tools to make a great Pro someday. Yes, these claims by EBF are hyperbole at its best though. Let's just make this as simple as it gets. We've seen Chubb run vs. the same defenses ADPs Gurley in the same games. It's not even close. Gurley is/was far superior. So, there is basically zero chance he is the best RB in college football right now. There is basically zero chance he's the best on his team. That of course is setting the bar high. Gurley is a monster and tips the field. Let's just wait and see a bit more from Chubb and see if he can confirm what we hope he might become.
EBF
Footballguy
Exactly this. It works both ways though. You can say "this is not impressive" about a highlight/stat/measurable and that's just your opinion. In posting those links, I was explaining my own perspective, not seeking your approval. I don't care what you do or don't find impressive. That's immaterial to me.
Gurley's hype has built over the course of three college seasons. If you compare the hype that any player has in his final college season to the hype he had in the middle of his freshman season, you're usually going to find that the former is a lot greater. In terms of the actual talent that the two players have shown, I'm more impressed by what I've seen from Chubb this year than what I saw from Gurley in 2012. That's just my take, but given two more years to build his reputation and generate national hype, I think you'll find that Chubb in 2016 (barring major injuries) is going to have equal or greater hype than what Gurley has right this moment. So while Gurley might be rated higher everywhere, I think his advanced class standing and longer track record is a big part of that. I think the debate over their actual talent level (which is what I'm trying to assess) would be a lot closer.
gianmarco
Footballguy
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