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Dynasty: NON-Draft eligible College prospects (6 Viewers)
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ConnSKINS26
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Barkley/Guice/Chubb/Mixon with some guys like Hood, Ballage, Freeman, Ronald, Scarbrough, Michel too.. it is going to be another really good group of RBs.
EBF
Footballguy
Took Jacobs with the 1.13 pick in my first dev draft of the year.
I haven't followed CFB closely this year, so had some catching up to do on the players available. Outside the obvious guys who are already rostered from last year, I didn't find much to get excited about.
Jacobs is one who caught my eye though. Noticed him from his cameo in the Clemson game and then found some highlights more recently. I can see the Richardson comparison. He also reminds me of Jonathan Williams a bit with his quick feet. Very fluid cuts and lateral movement. I don't see the speed of a future first round pick, but he looks like a solid 2nd-3rd round guy and could get better. We'll have to see what type of role he'll have there with Bo Scarbrough, Damien Harris, and Najee Harris as competition. Bo will be the banger. Damien is the home run threat. Jacobs could the best all-around back. I know Najee's reputation, but I wasn't blown away by what I saw when I took a very quick glance at his highlights.
Anyway, Jacobs did well as a freshman and the recent history of Alabama RBs speaks for itself.
Xue
Footballguy
Elijah Holyfield barely played, but he's still my #1 RB for 2019.
I currently have Sewo Olonilua (TCU) as my #2. He's 6'3" 225 lbs with really good speed and movement skills. He's Najee Harris before Najee Harris.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAheeHgZ4XM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umuo23KNuZw
https://www.instagram.com/p/BPTgp4CDtHr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXa-RqB7Rc8
https://twitter.com/WurthDraft/status/801785106860015616
Damarea Crockett is a guy who looks like a legit NFL talent. I don't think he's going to be on that elite, first tier, but he's got some good cuts and burst. A big year is in store.
With Jeremy McNichols leaving for the NFL, Alexander Mattison is going to blow up. He's a legit talent as should be talked about with the Power 5 RBs.
I have Cam Akers 40-yard dash from the Opening at 4.43 with a 1.63 10-yard split. That's a great 40 time considering how bad his 10-yard split is. He's NFL-ready today.
Travis Etienne (Clemson, FR) ran a 4.40 with a 1.60 at the Opening. He has some Alvin Kamara in him.
Ty Chandler has some Ronald Jones and Dalvin Cook in his game. This run right here is very similar to a few of Cooks' with the ability to maintain speed with sharp cuts: https://twitter.com/ChadCarson247/status/784565979758157826
I currently have Sewo Olonilua (TCU) as my #2. He's 6'3" 225 lbs with really good speed and movement skills. He's Najee Harris before Najee Harris.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAheeHgZ4XM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umuo23KNuZw
https://www.instagram.com/p/BPTgp4CDtHr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXa-RqB7Rc8
https://twitter.com/WurthDraft/status/801785106860015616
Damarea Crockett is a guy who looks like a legit NFL talent. I don't think he's going to be on that elite, first tier, but he's got some good cuts and burst. A big year is in store.
With Jeremy McNichols leaving for the NFL, Alexander Mattison is going to blow up. He's a legit talent as should be talked about with the Power 5 RBs.
I have Cam Akers 40-yard dash from the Opening at 4.43 with a 1.63 10-yard split. That's a great 40 time considering how bad his 10-yard split is. He's NFL-ready today.
Travis Etienne (Clemson, FR) ran a 4.40 with a 1.60 at the Opening. He has some Alvin Kamara in him.
Ty Chandler has some Ronald Jones and Dalvin Cook in his game. This run right here is very similar to a few of Cooks' with the ability to maintain speed with sharp cuts: https://twitter.com/ChadCarson247/status/784565979758157826
Xue
Footballguy
Sewo Olonilua hang cleaning 440 lbs: https://twitter.com/SOlonilua33/status/836986254038294528
Sewo listed at 225 lbs. By comparison, Brandon Scherff did 443 and weighs 300+.
Here he is doing footwork and receiving drills this off-season: https://twitter.com/lifesyourcup/status/836071444673024002
Sewo listed at 225 lbs. By comparison, Brandon Scherff did 443 and weighs 300+.
Here he is doing footwork and receiving drills this off-season: https://twitter.com/lifesyourcup/status/836071444673024002
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If you're looking for a devy guy who's probably not on many people's radars, imo WR Collin Johnson from Texas has a good shot at being a 1st or 2nd round pick in 2019 or 2020. He's off the radar because he missed his senior year of high school with a shoulder injury (was a top-50ish recruit before he missed the season) and had a somewhat quiet true freshman year on a bad Texas team (28/315/3). He's got size (6'6 and now up to 220), NFL body control and ball skills (see some of the catches on the linked video) and NFL bloodlines and work ethic. He reminds me of DGB in college- though not as fast- and he's got none of DGB's attitude issues. He's been described as the best WR on the team this offseason going into his true soph year, and that's with the WR corps being arguably the most talented unit on the team. A name to stow away.
Dan Hindery
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I like him a lot as well. I had him as my 3rd-highest ranked incoming freshman last spring and #54 overall:
http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=hinderydevyrankings0416
Edit to add: Watch out for Trevon Grimes as a similar player in class of 2017. He fell in the recruiting rankings because he tore his ACL in September and isn't getting as much hype due to that, but he's a monster with ideal NFL measurables and great work ethic.
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Dan Hindery
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A few devy random devy thoughts as I finish preparing for my first 2 devy drafts of the season this weekend:
1. I love the incoming freshman class at RB and WR. It especially stands out since last year's freshman class was so bad. My top incoming freshman last year I ranked 39th overall. I'll probably have 7 or 8 guys in my top 35 this year and maybe as many as 5 in the top 20. Cam Akers, JK Dobbins, Najee Harris, Donovan Peoples-Jones, Jerry Jeudy and Trevon Grimes will definitely rank highly for me. It depends on how deep your rosters/taxi squads are and if you're willing to wait, but I think in the long run you'll come out way ahead by investing picks in these top freshman. And even if you don't want to wait out the 3 years of their college careers, you can always cash in with a trade next year if any of them blow up for big freshman seasons.
2. I would "overpay" for Saquon Barkley. He's obviously going to be tough to get, but I think even offers that look like overpays now will end up being worth it at this time next year. I had him ranked #3 in my top 100 last year ahead of JuJu, Dalvin, McCaffrey, etc. and because of that have a lot of shares already, but I've continued to try to add more. I moved Julio and Brees for Barkley and Watkins last month for example. And Barkley was the main target. I think he'll actually be worth more than Julio straight up within a year. I'm curious exactly what his market value is, but I like him more than guys like Allen Robinson and I think you can still get Barkley plus a pick for guys like ARob.
3. Weaker at the top than normal. Derrius Guice is really, really good too but I think there's a real drop off after those two. There are some solid guys like Courtland Sutton, Nick Chubb, Ronald Jones, Deon Cain, James Washington, etc. in that next tier. But it's not as loaded as last year where I felt great about all of the top 7 guys and pretty good about the top 25. The weaker than normal recruiting class of 2016 is a big reason why I think the depth up top isn't as strong.
1. I love the incoming freshman class at RB and WR. It especially stands out since last year's freshman class was so bad. My top incoming freshman last year I ranked 39th overall. I'll probably have 7 or 8 guys in my top 35 this year and maybe as many as 5 in the top 20. Cam Akers, JK Dobbins, Najee Harris, Donovan Peoples-Jones, Jerry Jeudy and Trevon Grimes will definitely rank highly for me. It depends on how deep your rosters/taxi squads are and if you're willing to wait, but I think in the long run you'll come out way ahead by investing picks in these top freshman. And even if you don't want to wait out the 3 years of their college careers, you can always cash in with a trade next year if any of them blow up for big freshman seasons.
2. I would "overpay" for Saquon Barkley. He's obviously going to be tough to get, but I think even offers that look like overpays now will end up being worth it at this time next year. I had him ranked #3 in my top 100 last year ahead of JuJu, Dalvin, McCaffrey, etc. and because of that have a lot of shares already, but I've continued to try to add more. I moved Julio and Brees for Barkley and Watkins last month for example. And Barkley was the main target. I think he'll actually be worth more than Julio straight up within a year. I'm curious exactly what his market value is, but I like him more than guys like Allen Robinson and I think you can still get Barkley plus a pick for guys like ARob.
3. Weaker at the top than normal. Derrius Guice is really, really good too but I think there's a real drop off after those two. There are some solid guys like Courtland Sutton, Nick Chubb, Ronald Jones, Deon Cain, James Washington, etc. in that next tier. But it's not as loaded as last year where I felt great about all of the top 7 guys and pretty good about the top 25. The weaker than normal recruiting class of 2016 is a big reason why I think the depth up top isn't as strong.
EBF
Footballguy
If Chubb gets to 100% and Barkley/Guice don't fall off, next year may have three guys who would be worthy of 1.01 consideration this year. Could be a nice group. Lots of variables though.
2017 draft looks great for FF purposes, albeit not as top-heavy as it looked a year ago. Think there's going to be value at every level.
2017 draft looks great for FF purposes, albeit not as top-heavy as it looked a year ago. Think there's going to be value at every level.
ZWK
Footballguy
These are the returning-to-school guys that my formulas like. Note that my formulas are designed for incoming NFL players rather than for guys in the middle of their college career, and will especially miss out on guys who were stuck in a smaller role behind talented upperclassmen (and guys whose measurables are estimated inaccurately by nfldraftscout). Each list goes from highest rated to lowest rated in that category. Some of these guys won't be draft eligible in 2018.
Top RB prospects: Derrius Guice, Nick Chubb, Royce Freeman, Saquon Barkley
Decent RB prospects: Rashaad Penny, Ty Johnson, Mike Weber, Ray Lawry, Kerryon Johnson, Damarea Crockett, James Butler, Lavon Coleman, Damien Harris, Benjamin Snell Jr., Rawleigh Williams III, Jarvion Franklin, Kalen Ballage, Phillip Lindsay, Ito Smith, Bo Scarbrough, Kyle Hicks
Top WR prospects: Courtland Sutton, Equanimeous St. Brown
Decent WR prospects: Cody Thompson, James Washington, Jester Weah, Nick Westbrook, Jonathan Giles, Anthony Miller, Michael Gallup, Richie James, Cedrick Wilson, Darren Carrington
Top QB prospects: Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Logan Woodside
Decent QB prospects: Mike White, Jake Browning, Deondre Francois, Mason Rudolph, Austin Allen, Brett Rypien, Lamar Jackson
The top prospects at each position would rate as good prospects (or better) if they were entering the draft right now. The top QBs already rate ahead of any of the QBs in this year's class (though the QB ratings are only based on production, not measurables or scouting, and needs to be supplemented with other info moreso than at other positions). The top RBs are already up there near the RBs entering this year's draft, though they're still a bit below. The top WRs are farther behind this year's top prospects, more in the range of what I'd expect to see from 2nd or 3rd rounders. The bottom of the "decent" tier for each position is more like "just worth keeping on eye on"; their ratings aren't high enough to be be very promising if they were entering the draft right now.
On the whole, things for 2018 look worse than they did a year ago for 2017. The WRs don't have an elite prospect (the way that JuJu Smith-Schuster looked to be a year ago) and the top 4 RBs don't look quite as good as last year's top 4 did at this time (Chubb, Fournette, Freeman, Cook).
Top RB prospects: Derrius Guice, Nick Chubb, Royce Freeman, Saquon Barkley
Decent RB prospects: Rashaad Penny, Ty Johnson, Mike Weber, Ray Lawry, Kerryon Johnson, Damarea Crockett, James Butler, Lavon Coleman, Damien Harris, Benjamin Snell Jr., Rawleigh Williams III, Jarvion Franklin, Kalen Ballage, Phillip Lindsay, Ito Smith, Bo Scarbrough, Kyle Hicks
Top WR prospects: Courtland Sutton, Equanimeous St. Brown
Decent WR prospects: Cody Thompson, James Washington, Jester Weah, Nick Westbrook, Jonathan Giles, Anthony Miller, Michael Gallup, Richie James, Cedrick Wilson, Darren Carrington
Top QB prospects: Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Logan Woodside
Decent QB prospects: Mike White, Jake Browning, Deondre Francois, Mason Rudolph, Austin Allen, Brett Rypien, Lamar Jackson
The top prospects at each position would rate as good prospects (or better) if they were entering the draft right now. The top QBs already rate ahead of any of the QBs in this year's class (though the QB ratings are only based on production, not measurables or scouting, and needs to be supplemented with other info moreso than at other positions). The top RBs are already up there near the RBs entering this year's draft, though they're still a bit below. The top WRs are farther behind this year's top prospects, more in the range of what I'd expect to see from 2nd or 3rd rounders. The bottom of the "decent" tier for each position is more like "just worth keeping on eye on"; their ratings aren't high enough to be be very promising if they were entering the draft right now.
On the whole, things for 2018 look worse than they did a year ago for 2017. The WRs don't have an elite prospect (the way that JuJu Smith-Schuster looked to be a year ago) and the top 4 RBs don't look quite as good as last year's top 4 did at this time (Chubb, Fournette, Freeman, Cook).
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
ZWK
Footballguy
It's mostly based on production. Cain had only 724 receiving yards (109th most in college football) in 15 games. He might be one of the cases where my method will "miss out on guys who were stuck in a smaller role behind talented upperclassmen."
Chubb and Freeman were both a lot less effective in 2016 than in 2014-15, so both of their ratings have dropped. Guice and Barkley are rated near where Chubb & Freeman are currently rated, rather than near where Chubb & Freeman were rated a year ago. Here's how these RBs compare on one simple rushing efficiency stat, First Downs + Touchdowns + 20-Yard Carries per Attempt:
.48 Guice 2015-16
.44 Chubb 2014-15
.44 Cook 2014-15
.40 Freeman 2014-15
.39 Fournette 2014-15
.37 Barkley 2015-16
.36 average
.35 Freeman 2016
.33 Chubb 2016
(Guice has had a much smaller workload than the others, which holds him back.)
Comparing JuJu Smith-Schuster a year ago to Courtland Sutton now, JJSS was about 2 years younger, he was estimated by nfldraftscout to be bigger and faster, and he was a bit more productive (e.g., 10.3 YPT vs. 9.6 YPT, 3.1 Yd/TmAtt vs. 2.7 Yd/TmAtt). Those edges add up
EBF
Footballguy
Always interesting to revisit the old posts in this thread to see how things change.
Saw this about Kirk Merritt today (guy I drafted in a couple leagues out of HS) and had to laugh:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/texas-m-dumps-wide-receiver-accused-exposing-tutors-article-1.3107623
Meanwhile former phenoms Speedy Noil and KD Cannon went undrafted this weekend after leaving school early, while Mr. All-Everything Malachi Dupre barely snuck into the 7th round after leaving LSU early. Shows you the perils of picking high school kids in dev leagues, and also makes you wonder if all the recruitnik puffery these kids experience before arriving on a college campus inflates their egos too much. Stars in their own mind. Time to meet reality.
Saw this about Kirk Merritt today (guy I drafted in a couple leagues out of HS) and had to laugh:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/texas-m-dumps-wide-receiver-accused-exposing-tutors-article-1.3107623
Meanwhile former phenoms Speedy Noil and KD Cannon went undrafted this weekend after leaving school early, while Mr. All-Everything Malachi Dupre barely snuck into the 7th round after leaving LSU early. Shows you the perils of picking high school kids in dev leagues, and also makes you wonder if all the recruitnik puffery these kids experience before arriving on a college campus inflates their egos too much. Stars in their own mind. Time to meet reality.
I have the same issue with picking Frosh after one year. Unless there is some production, then you're are basing the value on how many stars they got out of HS a year earlier. For example, I took Harry over Metcalf because the former actually was productive as a true Frosh.
With Sophs, at least the hold isn't as (potentially) long.
With Sophs, at least the hold isn't as (potentially) long.
Multiple outlets are reporting that USC sophomore RB Stephen Carr (back) will miss spring practice.
Carr (6'0/180) is set to take over as Trojans lead back in the wake of Ronald Jones' exit for the draft, but due to a herniated disc in his back, USC will have to lean on Vavae Malepeai and Aca’Cedric Ware in practice while he mends. There is no timetable for Carr's return to action at this juncture. As a true freshman, he rushed for 363 yards (5.6 YPC) and three touchdowns while adding another 188 yards on 17 receptions. He flashed on multiple occasions, but also dealt with a nagging foot injury which forced him to miss four games. USC boots up spring practice on March 6.
Source: 247Sports
He is part of a very strong Frosh class of RBs, and for those in the beginning/middle of Devy draft season, this news is fairly important.
Carr (6'0/180) is set to take over as Trojans lead back in the wake of Ronald Jones' exit for the draft, but due to a herniated disc in his back, USC will have to lean on Vavae Malepeai and Aca’Cedric Ware in practice while he mends. There is no timetable for Carr's return to action at this juncture. As a true freshman, he rushed for 363 yards (5.6 YPC) and three touchdowns while adding another 188 yards on 17 receptions. He flashed on multiple occasions, but also dealt with a nagging foot injury which forced him to miss four games. USC boots up spring practice on March 6.
Source: 247Sports
He is part of a very strong Frosh class of RBs, and for those in the beginning/middle of Devy draft season, this news is fairly important.
We just finished up a 14 team, one round devy draft. Lots of jockeying and trading in and out of the draft.
1 Dobbins Ohio St RB
2 Taylor Wisc RB
3 AJ Brown Ole Miss WR
4 Love Stanford RB
5 Swift GA RB
6 Montgomery Iowa St RB
7 Richards MIA WR
8 Harmon NC St WR
9 Edwards So CAR WR
10 Anderson OK RB
11 Sermon OK RB
12 Crocket Mizz RB
13 Marshall LSU WR
14 Shorter Penn St WR
I had 9 and 11. 9 was an easy pick, 11 I thought of White, Carr, Ausbon, and Ettiene... maybe next year
1 Dobbins Ohio St RB
2 Taylor Wisc RB
3 AJ Brown Ole Miss WR
4 Love Stanford RB
5 Swift GA RB
6 Montgomery Iowa St RB
7 Richards MIA WR
8 Harmon NC St WR
9 Edwards So CAR WR
10 Anderson OK RB
11 Sermon OK RB
12 Crocket Mizz RB
13 Marshall LSU WR
14 Shorter Penn St WR
I had 9 and 11. 9 was an easy pick, 11 I thought of White, Carr, Ausbon, and Ettiene... maybe next year
Bracie Smathers
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Looks faster than 4.4 from this vid where he kicks in another gear to blow past DBs with angles on him.
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I am very impressed with Travis Etienne, but I honestly think the best prospect in college right now is his teammate Justyn Ross. I think it’s worth it to draft him in devy’s this year knowing he’s just a true sophomore. He looks so much like Andre Johnson it’s eerie.
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