Hu-Tang Clan
Footballguy
I was hoping he'd have a semi-quiet pre-season so I could get him very cheap in every draft. Now with a statline like tonight, he's going to start to be talked about and written about more.
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U of Tennessee WR Justin Hunter (1 Viewer)
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
FUBAR
Footballguy
FUBAR
Footballguy
They're an ideal duo. An homeless version of D Thomas / welker. One to move the chains, one to make the big plays and open the field. If locker can perform and stay on the field, Nashville might beat out Indianapolis.
I'm a salesperson and I have seen many people "talk too much" in the sales process. The best sales people don't "throw up" information on people. Some of the best sales training classes emphasize this...Not everyone is efficient with their words. Generally the higher the IQ - the more efficient people are with their words...There is an art in not peppering the board with countless instances of self-quotes stating the equivalent of, RBs are awesome, YAY!!!!!!!!!!There is an art to not writing too much...The Bulls and Lakers had more than two players on their teams that won multiple championships, Jackson's coaching could have impacted on them as well. Jackson did have the benefit of some great players, but it is an open question if the team's he coached would have done the same without him. Not sure Shaq is the best example of a driven player, if he played with the intensity of Rodman he would have averaged 20-25 rebounds per game.
You are the only person making the straw man comparisons you are laughing at. Jordan and Bryant are two of the greatest in NBA history. Hunter could have something less than their level of intensity and urgency in his practice habits and play (similar to 99% of NBA and NFL players) and have upside over his current ADP in redraft and dynasty. Whisenhunt doesn't have to be identical to Vince Lombardi or John Wooden to make the point that different players don't have the exact same level of self-motivation, and can respond to coaching differently.
It may not be as black and white as there are only two categories, transcendently talented players that are always self-motivated and worthless players that need constant prodding, that is extremely simplistic, there are a continuum of possibilities (with most of them probably not occupying the extremes - players like Jordan are by definition rare). Hunter doesn't need to be as driven or play with the hair on fire intensity of Jerry Rice every practice snap to be productive.
Moss and Green were mentioned below. I can't speak to every context those names have been thrown around in the thread, but some were sceptical that Hunter could play at a high level being so skinny, and it was pointed out early on that he had a similar build to those two (therefore, his lack of David Boston-like physical stature isn't NECESSARILY a deal breaker). I haven't seen too many state Hunter's talent and game have a 100% correspondence with them, or that his career should be expected to unfold identically. Taking things too literally causes a lot of mischief.
If someone said an updated road map was useful for driving from Los Angeles to New York because it accurately showed some recent road changes, I wouldn't be LMAO and saying that was a horrible example because it isn't identical in a one-to-one-correspondence manner with the terrain it is mapping, and isn't more than 3,000 miles wide because it needed to be scaled to fold-up glove box size.
* I think Hunter has future WR1 physical ability and talent, but don't know if he will realize it. Fortunately, at his prices, you don't have to blow up your team to acquire him as if he was a lock to be a WR1. Needless to say, there is a lot of room for him to not be a WR1 (let alone a one of the greatest WRs in NFL history analogue to Michael Jordan) and still have upside over his current redraft and dynasty ADP.
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amnesiac
beer is good
interesting.I'm a salesperson and I have seen many people "talk too much" in the sales process. The best sales people don't "throw up" information on people. Some of the best sales training classes emphasize this...Not everyone is efficient with their words. The higher the IQ - the more efficient people are with their words...There is an art in not peppering the board with countless instances of self-quotes stating the equivalent of, RBs are awesome, YAY!!!!!!!!!!There is an art to not writing too much...The Bulls and Lakers had more than two players on their teams that won multiple championships, Jackson's coaching could have impacted on them as well. Jackson did have the benefit of some great players, but it is an open question if the team's he coached would have done the same without him. Not sure Shaq is the best example of a driven player, if he played with the intensity of Rodman he would have averaged 20-25 rebounds per game.
You are the only person making the straw man comparisons you are laughing at. Jordan and Bryant are two of the greatest in NBA history. Hunter could have something less than their level of intensity and urgency in his practice habits and play (similar to 99% of NBA and NFL players) and have upside over his current ADP in redraft and dynasty. Whisenhunt doesn't have to be identical to Vince Lombardi or John Wooden to make the point that different players don't have the exact same level of self-motivation, and can respond to coaching differently.
It may not be as black and white as there are only two categories, transcendently talented players that are always self-motivated and worthless players that need constant prodding, that is extremely simplistic, there are a continuum of possibilities (with most of them probably not occupying the extremes - players like Jordan are by definition rare). Hunter doesn't need to be as driven or play with the hair on fire intensity of Jerry Rice every practice snap to be productive.
Moss and Green were mentioned below. I can't speak to every context those names have been thrown around in the thread, but some were sceptical that Hunter could play at a high level being so skinny, and it was pointed out early on that he had a similar build to those two (therefore, his lack of David Boston-like physical stature isn't NECESSARILY a deal breaker). I haven't seen too many state Hunter's talent and game have a 100% correspondence with them, or that his career should be expected to unfold identically. Taking things too literally causes a lot of mischief.
If someone said an updated road map was useful for driving from Los Angeles to New York because it accurately showed some recent road changes, I wouldn't be LMAO and saying that was a horrible example because it isn't identical in a one-to-one-correspondence manner with the terrain it is mapping, and isn't more than 3,000 miles wide because it needed to be scaled to fold-up glove box size.
* I think Hunter has future WR1 physical ability and talent, but don't know if he will realize it. Fortunately, at his prices, you don't have to blow up your team to acquire him as if he was a lock to be a WR1. Needless to say, there is a lot of room for him to not be a WR1 (let alone a one of the greatest WRs in NFL history analogue to Michael Jordan
identikit
Footballguy
Very.interesting.I'm a salesperson and I have seen many people "talk too much" in the sales process. The best sales people don't "throw up" information on people. Some of the best sales training classes emphasize this...Not everyone is efficient with their words. The higher the IQ - the more efficient people are with their words...There is an art in not peppering the board with countless instances of self-quotes stating the equivalent of, RBs are awesome, YAY!!!!!!!!!!There is an art to not writing too much...The Bulls and Lakers had more than two players on their teams that won multiple championships, Jackson's coaching could have impacted on them as well. Jackson did have the benefit of some great players, but it is an open question if the team's he coached would have done the same without him. Not sure Shaq is the best example of a driven player, if he played with the intensity of Rodman he would have averaged 20-25 rebounds per game.
You are the only person making the straw man comparisons you are laughing at. Jordan and Bryant are two of the greatest in NBA history. Hunter could have something less than their level of intensity and urgency in his practice habits and play (similar to 99% of NBA and NFL players) and have upside over his current ADP in redraft and dynasty. Whisenhunt doesn't have to be identical to Vince Lombardi or John Wooden to make the point that different players don't have the exact same level of self-motivation, and can respond to coaching differently.
It may not be as black and white as there are only two categories, transcendently talented players that are always self-motivated and worthless players that need constant prodding, that is extremely simplistic, there are a continuum of possibilities (with most of them probably not occupying the extremes - players like Jordan are by definition rare). Hunter doesn't need to be as driven or play with the hair on fire intensity of Jerry Rice every practice snap to be productive.
Moss and Green were mentioned below. I can't speak to every context those names have been thrown around in the thread, but some were sceptical that Hunter could play at a high level being so skinny, and it was pointed out early on that he had a similar build to those two (therefore, his lack of David Boston-like physical stature isn't NECESSARILY a deal breaker). I haven't seen too many state Hunter's talent and game have a 100% correspondence with them, or that his career should be expected to unfold identically. Taking things too literally causes a lot of mischief.
If someone said an updated road map was useful for driving from Los Angeles to New York because it accurately showed some recent road changes, I wouldn't be LMAO and saying that was a horrible example because it isn't identical in a one-to-one-correspondence manner with the terrain it is mapping, and isn't more than 3,000 miles wide because it needed to be scaled to fold-up glove box size.
* I think Hunter has future WR1 physical ability and talent, but don't know if he will realize it. Fortunately, at his prices, you don't have to blow up your team to acquire him as if he was a lock to be a WR1. Needless to say, there is a lot of room for him to not be a WR1 (let alone a one of the greatest WRs in NFL history analogue to Michael Jordan
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Some people prefer more detail than, RBs are awesome, YAY!!!!!!!!!!I'm a salesperson and I have seen many people "talk too much" in the sales process. The best sales people don't "throw up" information on people. Some of the best sales training classes emphasize this...Not everyone is efficient with their words. Generally the higher the IQ - the more efficient people are with their words...There is an art in not peppering the board with countless instances of self-quotes stating the equivalent of, RBs are awesome, YAY!!!!!!!!!!There is an art to not writing too much...The Bulls and Lakers had more than two players on their teams that won multiple championships, Jackson's coaching could have impacted on them as well. Jackson did have the benefit of some great players, but it is an open question if the team's he coached would have done the same without him. Not sure Shaq is the best example of a driven player, if he played with the intensity of Rodman he would have averaged 20-25 rebounds per game.
You are the only person making the straw man comparisons you are laughing at. Jordan and Bryant are two of the greatest in NBA history. Hunter could have something less than their level of intensity and urgency in his practice habits and play (similar to 99% of NBA and NFL players) and have upside over his current ADP in redraft and dynasty. Whisenhunt doesn't have to be identical to Vince Lombardi or John Wooden to make the point that different players don't have the exact same level of self-motivation, and can respond to coaching differently.
It may not be as black and white as there are only two categories, transcendently talented players that are always self-motivated and worthless players that need constant prodding, that is extremely simplistic, there are a continuum of possibilities (with most of them probably not occupying the extremes - players like Jordan are by definition rare). Hunter doesn't need to be as driven or play with the hair on fire intensity of Jerry Rice every practice snap to be productive.
Moss and Green were mentioned below. I can't speak to every context those names have been thrown around in the thread, but some were sceptical that Hunter could play at a high level being so skinny, and it was pointed out early on that he had a similar build to those two (therefore, his lack of David Boston-like physical stature isn't NECESSARILY a deal breaker). I haven't seen too many state Hunter's talent and game have a 100% correspondence with them, or that his career should be expected to unfold identically. Taking things too literally causes a lot of mischief.
If someone said an updated road map was useful for driving from Los Angeles to New York because it accurately showed some recent road changes, I wouldn't be LMAO and saying that was a horrible example because it isn't identical in a one-to-one-correspondence manner with the terrain it is mapping, and isn't more than 3,000 miles wide because it needed to be scaled to fold-up glove box size.
* I think Hunter has future WR1 physical ability and talent, but don't know if he will realize it. Fortunately, at his prices, you don't have to blow up your team to acquire him as if he was a lock to be a WR1. Needless to say, there is a lot of room for him to not be a WR1 (let alone a one of the greatest WRs in NFL history analogue to Michael Jordan
Succinct and vapid aren't mutually exclusive.
We aren't in a sales class, and I'm not selling anything. If you view your role in the Sankey thread as an example of "sales", which at times almost has an air of desperation, that would explain a lot (pro tip - don't buy from a desperate hard sell artist, there could be a reason they are desperate hard sell artists
).If any salesperson tried to sell me something I didn't want with a hard sell basically "throwing up" over and over, the product or service equivalent of, RBs are awesome, YAY!!!!!!!!!! RBS are awesome, YAY!!!!!!!!!! RBs are awesome, YAY!!!!!!!!!!, with frequent self-quotes reiterating, like I said, RBS are awesome, YAY!!!!!!!!!! I would never buy from them, and that doesn't sound like a good salesperson.
Posting the equivalent of RBs are awesome, YAY!!!!!!!!!! repeatedly, than quoting yourself with the same tediously simplistic sloganeering as a substitute for substantive analysis isn't "smart", its just counterproductively heavyhanded and obnoxious.
A good salesperson needs to understand the customer. Check how many likes your post got relative to mine, and come to your own conclusions if anybody is buying what you are selling. If you are selling a faulty product/service (refurbished 8 track players, bulk returned pet rocks damaged in shipment, etc.), sometimes, no amount of sweet talking is going to change the fact that you are at a disadvantage.
It isn't efficient to bludgeon people with the same message over and over and over, they start to tune it out. I wouldn't necessarily come to the same conclusion as you have given your chronically, habitually inefficient communication (would you call it an efficient way to propogate your sales pitch if multiple people complain about having to put you on ignore?), but that is up to you if you choose to level the same critique at yourself and fall by the same verdict.
* Sales involves communication, and communication is a two part process. The above post wasn't THAT long, so if you were unable to easily assimilate the meaning, that may say as much about the receiver of the message as the message itself (your taste and sensibilities, after all, have led you to believe that posting RBs are awesome, YAY!!!!!!!!!! over and over is highly informative and useful, and done with a sense of proportion and restraint
).
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FUBAR
Footballguy
Who's your audience here?I'm a salesperson and I have seen many people "talk too much" in the sales process. The best sales people don't "throw up" information on people. Some of the best sales training classes emphasize this...Not everyone is efficient with their words. Generally the higher the IQ - the more efficient people are with their words...There is an art in not peppering the board with countless instances of self-quotes stating the equivalent of, RBs are awesome, YAY!!!!!!!!!!There is an art to not writing too much...The Bulls and Lakers had more than two players on their teams that won multiple championships, Jackson's coaching could have impacted on them as well. Jackson did have the benefit of some great players, but it is an open question if the team's he coached would have done the same without him. Not sure Shaq is the best example of a driven player, if he played with the intensity of Rodman he would have averaged 20-25 rebounds per game.
You are the only person making the straw man comparisons you are laughing at. Jordan and Bryant are two of the greatest in NBA history. Hunter could have something less than their level of intensity and urgency in his practice habits and play (similar to 99% of NBA and NFL players) and have upside over his current ADP in redraft and dynasty. Whisenhunt doesn't have to be identical to Vince Lombardi or John Wooden to make the point that different players don't have the exact same level of self-motivation, and can respond to coaching differently.
It may not be as black and white as there are only two categories, transcendently talented players that are always self-motivated and worthless players that need constant prodding, that is extremely simplistic, there are a continuum of possibilities (with most of them probably not occupying the extremes - players like Jordan are by definition rare). Hunter doesn't need to be as driven or play with the hair on fire intensity of Jerry Rice every practice snap to be productive.
Moss and Green were mentioned below. I can't speak to every context those names have been thrown around in the thread, but some were sceptical that Hunter could play at a high level being so skinny, and it was pointed out early on that he had a similar build to those two (therefore, his lack of David Boston-like physical stature isn't NECESSARILY a deal breaker). I haven't seen too many state Hunter's talent and game have a 100% correspondence with them, or that his career should be expected to unfold identically. Taking things too literally causes a lot of mischief.
If someone said an updated road map was useful for driving from Los Angeles to New York because it accurately showed some recent road changes, I wouldn't be LMAO and saying that was a horrible example because it isn't identical in a one-to-one-correspondence manner with the terrain it is mapping, and isn't more than 3,000 miles wide because it needed to be scaled to fold-up glove box size.
* I think Hunter has future WR1 physical ability and talent, but don't know if he will realize it. Fortunately, at his prices, you don't have to blow up your team to acquire him as if he was a lock to be a WR1. Needless to say, there is a lot of room for him to not be a WR1 (let alone a one of the greatest WRs in NFL history analogue to Michael Jordan
You have to convey meaningful information.
I'm not a sales person but my job is to convince people to do things. This requires providing enough information that they can act but not so much that they feel overwhelmed. There's a balance between both of your styles.
Hunter rocks YAY!!!
Jrodicus
Footballguy
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Say what you want about Brew, he has a point in this case. When guys are writing encyclopedias on a football player it's a bit much. At some point, it's just loving the sound of your own voice and not much else.Who's your audience here?I'm a salesperson and I have seen many people "talk too much" in the sales process. The best sales people don't "throw up" information on people. Some of the best sales training classes emphasize this...Not everyone is efficient with their words. Generally the higher the IQ - the more efficient people are with their words...There is an art in not peppering the board with countless instances of self-quotes stating the equivalent of, RBs are awesome, YAY!!!!!!!!!!There is an art to not writing too much...The Bulls and Lakers had more than two players on their teams that won multiple championships, Jackson's coaching could have impacted on them as well. Jackson did have the benefit of some great players, but it is an open question if the team's he coached would have done the same without him. Not sure Shaq is the best example of a driven player, if he played with the intensity of Rodman he would have averaged 20-25 rebounds per game.
You are the only person making the straw man comparisons you are laughing at. Jordan and Bryant are two of the greatest in NBA history. Hunter could have something less than their level of intensity and urgency in his practice habits and play (similar to 99% of NBA and NFL players) and have upside over his current ADP in redraft and dynasty. Whisenhunt doesn't have to be identical to Vince Lombardi or John Wooden to make the point that different players don't have the exact same level of self-motivation, and can respond to coaching differently.
It may not be as black and white as there are only two categories, transcendently talented players that are always self-motivated and worthless players that need constant prodding, that is extremely simplistic, there are a continuum of possibilities (with most of them probably not occupying the extremes - players like Jordan are by definition rare). Hunter doesn't need to be as driven or play with the hair on fire intensity of Jerry Rice every practice snap to be productive.
Moss and Green were mentioned below. I can't speak to every context those names have been thrown around in the thread, but some were sceptical that Hunter could play at a high level being so skinny, and it was pointed out early on that he had a similar build to those two (therefore, his lack of David Boston-like physical stature isn't NECESSARILY a deal breaker). I haven't seen too many state Hunter's talent and game have a 100% correspondence with them, or that his career should be expected to unfold identically. Taking things too literally causes a lot of mischief.
If someone said an updated road map was useful for driving from Los Angeles to New York because it accurately showed some recent road changes, I wouldn't be LMAO and saying that was a horrible example because it isn't identical in a one-to-one-correspondence manner with the terrain it is mapping, and isn't more than 3,000 miles wide because it needed to be scaled to fold-up glove box size.
* I think Hunter has future WR1 physical ability and talent, but don't know if he will realize it. Fortunately, at his prices, you don't have to blow up your team to acquire him as if he was a lock to be a WR1. Needless to say, there is a lot of room for him to not be a WR1 (let alone a one of the greatest WRs in NFL history analogue to Michael Jordan
You have to convey meaningful information.
I'm not a sales person but my job is to convince people to do things. This requires providing enough information that they can act but not so much that they feel overwhelmed. There's a balance between both of your styles.
Hunter rocks YAY!!!
Ever Present Lurker
Footballguy
I hate when I go to a thread looking for insight, and inside I find two monkeys flinging crap at each other. Great job guys.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
HUnter=beast in waiting
FUBAR
Footballguy
six paragraph encyclopedias are awesome, YAY!!!!!Say what you want about Brew, he has a point in this case. When guys are writing encyclopedias on a football player it's a bit much. At some point, it's just loving the sound of your own voice and not much else.Who's your audience here?I'm a salesperson and I have seen many people "talk too much" in the sales process. The best sales people don't "throw up" information on people. Some of the best sales training classes emphasize this...Not everyone is efficient with their words. Generally the higher the IQ - the more efficient people are with their words...There is an art in not peppering the board with countless instances of self-quotes stating the equivalent of, RBs are awesome, YAY!!!!!!!!!!There is an art to not writing too much...The Bulls and Lakers had more than two players on their teams that won multiple championships, Jackson's coaching could have impacted on them as well. Jackson did have the benefit of some great players, but it is an open question if the team's he coached would have done the same without him. Not sure Shaq is the best example of a driven player, if he played with the intensity of Rodman he would have averaged 20-25 rebounds per game.
You are the only person making the straw man comparisons you are laughing at. Jordan and Bryant are two of the greatest in NBA history. Hunter could have something less than their level of intensity and urgency in his practice habits and play (similar to 99% of NBA and NFL players) and have upside over his current ADP in redraft and dynasty. Whisenhunt doesn't have to be identical to Vince Lombardi or John Wooden to make the point that different players don't have the exact same level of self-motivation, and can respond to coaching differently.
It may not be as black and white as there are only two categories, transcendently talented players that are always self-motivated and worthless players that need constant prodding, that is extremely simplistic, there are a continuum of possibilities (with most of them probably not occupying the extremes - players like Jordan are by definition rare). Hunter doesn't need to be as driven or play with the hair on fire intensity of Jerry Rice every practice snap to be productive.
Moss and Green were mentioned below. I can't speak to every context those names have been thrown around in the thread, but some were sceptical that Hunter could play at a high level being so skinny, and it was pointed out early on that he had a similar build to those two (therefore, his lack of David Boston-like physical stature isn't NECESSARILY a deal breaker). I haven't seen too many state Hunter's talent and game have a 100% correspondence with them, or that his career should be expected to unfold identically. Taking things too literally causes a lot of mischief.
If someone said an updated road map was useful for driving from Los Angeles to New York because it accurately showed some recent road changes, I wouldn't be LMAO and saying that was a horrible example because it isn't identical in a one-to-one-correspondence manner with the terrain it is mapping, and isn't more than 3,000 miles wide because it needed to be scaled to fold-up glove box size.
* I think Hunter has future WR1 physical ability and talent, but don't know if he will realize it. Fortunately, at his prices, you don't have to blow up your team to acquire him as if he was a lock to be a WR1. Needless to say, there is a lot of room for him to not be a WR1 (let alone a one of the greatest WRs in NFL history analogue to Michael Jordan
You have to convey meaningful information.
I'm not a sales person but my job is to convince people to do things. This requires providing enough information that they can act but not so much that they feel overwhelmed. There's a balance between both of your styles.
Hunter rocks YAY!!!
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Potential to be Aj green or Ashley Lelie.
BaBastage
Footballguy
Quite frankly, I find this response offensive. I know it's been discussed above, and I'm sorry for the thread hijack.
The world is rarely black and white. There are a near-infinite shades of nuanced, tangential grey, and those aren't always explained in few words, despite what Twitter and Facebook are doing to our neural wiring. (But I digress on this thread further than I intended.)
Bob puts original thought into his posts and contributes something new most of the time, unlike most people who regurgitate something they heard from someone else. You disagree with his position, fine. But argue the content instead of throwing out an ad-hominem attack.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
yup....then theres the concept of constant jibber jabber that ends up being tuned out
identikit
Footballguy
When I see an ultra long post - more often than not I just don't read it.
I find the ultra long-rambling posts offensive to the threads and everyone's time reading it.
Someone who uses the word ad-hominem probably would be on the other side of the fence...
I guess the world is full of different types of people - some of them are born court reporters or should be employed by Wiki-pedia...
Now back to one of the most Talented WR's in the NFL - Justin Hunter:
I find the ultra long-rambling posts offensive to the threads and everyone's time reading it.
Someone who uses the word ad-hominem probably would be on the other side of the fence...
I guess the world is full of different types of people - some of them are born court reporters or should be employed by Wiki-pedia...
Now back to one of the most Talented WR's in the NFL - Justin Hunter:
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KingPrawn
Footballguy
You got me. Still, there would probably be more discussion of Justin Hunter there than there is here.
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cstu
Footballguy
Titans' Justin Hunter shows he's not 'Just Another Guy'
If the Tennessee Titans' goal was to motivate Justin Hunter by plastering a "J.A.G" (Just Another Guy) label on the receiver's jersey this week, that message was received.
And received. And received, some more.
The second-year pass-catcher went HAM Friday night in a 31-24 losing effort to the New Orleans Saints, grabbing four passes for 111 yards (that's 27.75 yards a pop, folks) with two touchdown snags. Displaying his 6-foot-4, 200-pound frame with 4.44 speed, Hunter made some spectacular, highlight-reel plays.
Needless to say, our "Making the Leap" candidate proved he's not just another guy in the Titans' receiver corps. But that doesn't mean the coaches won't make sure he stays motivated.
"I don't think he has to worry about that (J.A.G jersey) any more, but I think we have to keep it in his locker so he'll remember," head coach Ken Whisenhunt said, per The Tennessean. "Justin did a nice job. We all understand what he can be, but we have to see that consistency. And it was nice to see that tonight."
Hunter has been a lightning rod for debate about whether he can be consistent in his play. He had blow-up games last season, then went dark for long stretches.
The second-year pro said he still "has a long ways to go" and expects receivers coach Shawn Jefferson -- the mastermind behind the J.A.G jersey -- to keep reminding him of the difficulty in the march up the hill of success.
"Even if I do something good, it doesn't matter. I'll still be a J.A.G to him," Hunter said. "I just need to keep maturing. I know everyone is going to stay on me. I just have to keep getting better, and I'm going to continue to go to work."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000378661/article/titans-justin-hunter-shows-hes-not-just-another-guy
If the Tennessee Titans' goal was to motivate Justin Hunter by plastering a "J.A.G" (Just Another Guy) label on the receiver's jersey this week, that message was received.
And received. And received, some more.
The second-year pass-catcher went HAM Friday night in a 31-24 losing effort to the New Orleans Saints, grabbing four passes for 111 yards (that's 27.75 yards a pop, folks) with two touchdown snags. Displaying his 6-foot-4, 200-pound frame with 4.44 speed, Hunter made some spectacular, highlight-reel plays.
Needless to say, our "Making the Leap" candidate proved he's not just another guy in the Titans' receiver corps. But that doesn't mean the coaches won't make sure he stays motivated.
"I don't think he has to worry about that (J.A.G jersey) any more, but I think we have to keep it in his locker so he'll remember," head coach Ken Whisenhunt said, per The Tennessean. "Justin did a nice job. We all understand what he can be, but we have to see that consistency. And it was nice to see that tonight."
Hunter has been a lightning rod for debate about whether he can be consistent in his play. He had blow-up games last season, then went dark for long stretches.
The second-year pro said he still "has a long ways to go" and expects receivers coach Shawn Jefferson -- the mastermind behind the J.A.G jersey -- to keep reminding him of the difficulty in the march up the hill of success.
"Even if I do something good, it doesn't matter. I'll still be a J.A.G to him," Hunter said. "I just need to keep maturing. I know everyone is going to stay on me. I just have to keep getting better, and I'm going to continue to go to work."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000378661/article/titans-justin-hunter-shows-hes-not-just-another-guy
steveski
Footballguy
It's a love/hate thing when a depth guy on your team that you've been holding for a while and hoping for it to pay out starts to get this kind of hype. On the plus side, I'm starting to receive some decent offers for him. The problem is finding the right time to sell. Do I hold him and hope he develops into a mini-AJ Green or do I sell him now while he is generating a lot of buzz.
A lot of players develop a bunch of buzz then amount to nothing. But some players develop buzz and amount to a lot. I have a hard time judging Hunter. He seems like he can be a playmaker but just really doesn't seem like a complete WR. The fact that it seems like he needs criticism to motivate him to play well is also not necessarily a good thing.
So what do you guys think? Is the hype and talk revolving around him now his high point or is this just a telling tale that he's about to become a lot more valuable soon?
A lot of players develop a bunch of buzz then amount to nothing. But some players develop buzz and amount to a lot. I have a hard time judging Hunter. He seems like he can be a playmaker but just really doesn't seem like a complete WR. The fact that it seems like he needs criticism to motivate him to play well is also not necessarily a good thing.
So what do you guys think? Is the hype and talk revolving around him now his high point or is this just a telling tale that he's about to become a lot more valuable soon?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I might wait a little. We saw last year that he capable of posting 180 yards and 2 TDs. I would hope that comes early in the year and move on him then...if you are bent on selling him.
Fireinside
Footballguy
My biggest question is what does Hunter do the Kendall Wrights value?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I don't think anything. They are total opposite style players. Hunter is a big play/RZ guy and Wright is a possession WR. They are a good tandem.
I own both in my redraft league and I admit I'm pretty nervous about it. I am worried that locker and the titans offense may not be able to support both. I'm willing to take a chance on it and then hopefully flip one.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I see Justin Hunter as a Vincent Jackson type player. It won't take a huge number of targets to produce big numbers. He will likely be rather boom/bust like Vincent as well. He seems like the kind of player that will catch 3 for 150 and 2 TDs one week and 2 for 20 the next week where Wright is a lot more steady- think a poor man's Derrick Mason. He will get a high volume of work and post 5 for 65 week after week without ever getting many TDs. Ofcourse, this is all predicated on Locker being healthy and any good.
cstu
Footballguy
Wright relies on getting volume targets and Locker isn't expected to throw that much. He's a WR3 without a lot of upside.
Faust
MVP
Fade pass to Justin Hunter looking nearly unstoppable:
http://www.tennessean.com/story/titansinsider/2014/08/20/locker-hunter-titans-fade/14345443/
http://www.tennessean.com/story/titansinsider/2014/08/20/locker-hunter-titans-fade/14345443/
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voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Futeki
Footballguy
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
I appreciate that, and would be interested in your take, as well. If you have a specific question about Hunter (or another player), now or in the future, I'll do my best to answer it. Concisely.
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One More Rep
Footballguy
This is where I am at with him right now. Wondering if he will be a good best ball wr, but frustrating week to week
Ilov80s
Footballguy
1000 and 10 isn't far from Dez/Julio. I think we all would love to see our 3rd WR post that. I hope you are right.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
My lofty projections are 60/1020/8 as I have him pegged at 17YPR. Basically, I think his upside is mid-low end WR2 in PPR, and a possible WR1 in standard. Huge disparity between the two formats.
Just an FYI, Titans website depth chart lists a two TE set.
http://www.titansonline.com/team/depth-chart.html
The chart seems off in many ways.
Lewan has been backing up Oher(and playing better than him) for months with just some time at LT.
Battle is not a TE.
McCluster can't be listed twice but will play WR.
The articles of people jumping on Hunter not being listed as starting....they might give you a tiny window to trade for him this week and bring down his value before he gets significant time in week one.
http://www.titansonline.com/team/depth-chart.html
The chart seems off in many ways.
Lewan has been backing up Oher(and playing better than him) for months with just some time at LT.
Battle is not a TE.
McCluster can't be listed twice but will play WR.
The articles of people jumping on Hunter not being listed as starting....they might give you a tiny window to trade for him this week and bring down his value before he gets significant time in week one.
Jimbo Slice
Footballguy
Is there a reason he's been dropped in almost 7000 yahoo leagues or just yahoo bein yahoo?
VaTerp
Footballguy
P Park Pimps
Footballguy
I wonder if that was a result of the Josh Gordon affect
